I'll wait to hear what Sheriff Joe saysDude the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors - a predominently deep red board of elected officials - thinks this thing is a farce. That should say enough.
I'll wait to hear what Sheriff Joe saysDude the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors - a predominently deep red board of elected officials - thinks this thing is a farce. That should say enough.
It’s just been a comedy of errors. From not knowing what color ink can be read on the ballots to the use of UV light to look for watermarks (that aren’t used) and folds in ballots that aren’t always folded. They won’t even say what they are looking for because it will likely be disproven quickly.This is among the screwups by this company. Trump was quick to pick up on this "mistake" and blog about it.
Read about CyberNinjas, you can pick your sources, and ask if this a company that is in the position to do this work.
Yes the whole thing is just a tool to allow Trump to find "fraud"and blog about it or in a couple months scream about it at a pep rally.It’s just been a comedy of errors. From not knowing what color ink can be read on the ballots to the use of UV light to look for watermarks (that aren’t used) and folds in ballots that aren’t always folded. They won’t even say what they are looking for because it will likely be disproven quickly.
They will come back making claims of finding the fraud and either refuse to release the results publicly or refuse to allow others to scrutinize them. There’s too much dark money invested to not get the desired results.
They're also looking to make sure the paper is indented.It’s just been a comedy of errors. From not knowing what color ink can be read on the ballots to the use of UV light to look for watermarks (that aren’t used) and folds in ballots that aren’t always folded. They won’t even say what they are looking for because it will likely be disproven quickly.
They will come back making claims of finding the fraud and either refuse to release the results publicly or refuse to allow others to scrutinize them. There’s too much dark money invested to not get the desired results.
He will probably re-enlist Andrew Thomas try to indict the board of supervisors.I'll wait to hear what Sheriff Joe says
It's like you just skipped right over the previous two pagesI got a serious question, if the left is so certain Biden won, why are they so scared of this audit? The audit is being down by a non-partisan company that has no ties to the right or left, it will be done fairly and right.
Might want to recheck that.I got a serious question, if the left is so certain Biden won, why are they so scared of this audit? The audit is being down by a non-partisan company that has no ties to the right or left, it will be done fairly and right.
MLK Jr. led the charge against racial discrimination and justifyably so, was it unreasonable to you to believe him?Might want to recheck that.
When the person who led the charge on the voter fraud claims mounts a legal defense that no reasonable person would believe her, then maybe it's time to self-reflect.
If he was appointed by a Democratic congress to lead the commission to review the actions of the FBI, in secret, with suspect methodologies, then yes, I think it would be unreasonable to believe him in that instance.MLK Jr. led the charge against racial discrimination and justifyably so, was it unreasonable to you to believe him?
I must have missed when MLK Jr said no reasonable person would believe his claims re: racial discrimination.MLK Jr. led the charge against racial discrimination and justifyably so, was it unreasonable to you to believe him?
If you are looking for a serious answer here you go: The Maricopa county results were already certified by bipartisan officials at both the county level and at the state level. They have been subject to two recounts and were already subjected to an audit.I got a serious question, if the left is so certain Biden won, why are they so scared of this audit? The audit is being down by a non-partisan company that has no ties to the right or left, it will be done fairly and right.
what a ridiculous analogy.MLK Jr. led the charge against racial discrimination and justifyably so, was it unreasonable to you to believe him?
So the tech company with the most experience in doing election recounts decided to let their contract expire and not return.Tech company running Arizona ballot recount backs out: 'They were done'
Wake Technology Services, Inc., the company that has been in charge of recounting ballots as part of Senate President Karen Fann’s election audit, has left the audit team.
Audit spokesman Randy Pullen told the Arizona Republic that Wake TSI’s contract ended on May 14, when the Senate’s contract with Veterans Memorial Coliseum, where the audit is taking place, was originally scheduled to end. Pullen said Wake chose not to renew its contract.
“They were done,” Pullen told the Republic, which first reported Wake TSI’s departure. “They didn’t want to come back.”
The Pennsylvania-based digital forensics company had been in charge of hand counting 2.1 million ballots cast in Maricopa County during the 2020 general election.
Wake has been replaced by StratTech Solutions, a Scottsdale-based IT company. It’s unclear why Cyber Ninjas and the Senate chose StratTech Solutions or whether the company has any experience working with election-related matters. It’s also unknown if the auditors solicited other companies to replace Wake TSI.
Pullen told the Republic that many of the people who worked under Wake TSI during the audit will continue that work for StratTech, and that StratTech will use the policies and procedures already in place.
An employee for StratTech declined to comment to the Arizona Mirror and referred questions to a public relations representative for Cyber Ninjas, who couldn’t be reached for comment. Wake TSI co-founder Gene Kern could not be reached for comment, either.
When Fann announced her audit team in late March, Wake TSI stood out as the only company that appeared to have any experience with election work. Cyber Ninjas said Wake TSI had conducted “hand-count audits” in Fulton County, Pennsylvania, and in New Mexico from the 2020 election, and that members of the company’s team had assisted the FBI with an election fraud investigation in 1994.
Well the general response i get is- its to expensive and a waste of time.I got a serious question, if the left is so certain Biden won, why are they so scared of this audit? The audit is being down by a non-partisan company that has no ties to the right or left, it will be done fairly and right.
From who? I think most of the opposition in here has not mentioned the cost at all.Well the general response i get is- its to expensive and a waste of time.
If that's what you took from this thread then you need to read it againWell the general response i get is- its to expensive and a waste of time.
Dont tell me what to do johnny backbone.If that's what you took from this thread then you need to read it again
I'm not telling you what to do. I'm commenting on the fact that you clearly have not read any of this thread and are just spouting ridiculous Trump talking points. Stay uneducated, I don't care.Dont tell me what to do johnny backbone.
For me the big problem with it is it perpetuates them myth that the results of the election are not trustworthy. All of the election officials have certified the results, none of the recounts revealed significant fraud, the legal challenges filed by the president were overwhelmingly rejected, and none government agencies that reviewed the election found anything that would have changed the results.Well the general response i get is- its to expensive and a waste of time.
If you get around that part of it though and buy into the new argument that this is 'just about the integrity of the election' then the list of what is wrong with it is super long as many in this thread have pointed outFor me the big problem with it is it perpetuates them myth that the results of the election are not trustworthy. All of the election officials have certified the results, none of the recounts revealed significant fraud, the legal challenges filed by the president were overwhelmingly rejected, and none government agencies that reviewed the election found anything that would have changed the results.
Despite all of this you have Arizona GOP-led senate wasting time and money just to appease their constituents that believe the lies the president is still spewing.
If I were a Republican this would really p*** me off.
I just think all federal elections should be audited. Making sure elections are square is worth it.For me the big problem with it is it perpetuates them myth that the results of the election are not trustworthy. All of the election officials have certified the results, none of the recounts revealed significant fraud, the legal challenges filed by the president were overwhelmingly rejected, and none government agencies that reviewed the election found anything that would have changed the results.
Despite all of this you have Arizona GOP-led senate wasting time and money just to appease their constituents that believe the lies the president is still spewing.
If I were a Republican this would really p*** me off.
I appreciate that. Thank You.I'm not telling you what to do. I'm commenting on the fact that you clearly have not read any of this thread and are just spouting ridiculous Trump talking points. Stay uneducated, I don't care.
8. The only county being reviewed is Maricopa County. Shouldn't election integrity be a state-wide concern?If you get around that part of it though and buy into the new argument that this is 'just about the integrity of the election' then the list of what is wrong with it is super long as many in this thread have pointed out
If it's about integrity then this is the process the R's put together to address integrity
1. No-bid closed door procurement process (if you want to use that language)
2. funded privately - partially
3. company has zero experience
4. no internal oversite
5. No scope
6. Highly partisan owner of the company
7. The only company with experience just quit
My thoughts on them getting free money to prove the election was fair and correct.If you get around that part of it though and buy into the new argument that this is 'just about the integrity of the election' then the list of what is wrong with it is super long as many in this thread have pointed out
If it's about integrity then this is the process the R's put together to address integrity
1. No-bid closed door procurement process (if you want to use that language)
2. funded privately - partially
3. company has zero experience
4. no internal oversite
5. No scope
6. Highly partisan owner of the company
7. The only company with experience just quit
Absolutely forgot that one. I'm sure there are others8. The only county being reviewed is Maricopa County. Shouldn't election integrity be a state-wide concern?
Fine, then why are they only doing one county in AZ & GA? Why not audit states Trump won as well? Why not audit down ballot election as well?I just think all federal elections should be audited. Making sure elections are square is worth it.
It isnt good if 20 or 30 % of the american populus dont trust elections.
And virtue shaming isnt a solution. As satisfying as it may be.
That's a fine position to support if that's your bag. Personally i don't think we need to spend what would be in the high 100s of millions of $$s to forensically audit every single vote. Trump lost by a landslide - you would need a ton of fraud in the systemMy thoughts on them getting free money to prove the election was fair and correct.
What if they dont want to be destroyed because they dont want to say it wasnt. Thats why we need actual forensic accounting to every federal election.
That's the nail on the head right there. The message keeps getting altered to make the big lie seem less and less crazyFine, then why are they only doing one county in AZ & GA? Why not audit states Trump won as well? Why not audit down ballot election as well?
And 20% or 30% of the people don't trust it because Trump was telling them he could only lose a rigged election and that the mail in ballots were fraudulent since last August - all without a shred of evidence. If you're in your bubble and all you hear is the election is rigged, a certain amount of people will believe it.
When is the Utah audit scheduled? They've been voting primarily by mail for years. Do you worry there's been fraud in Utah?My thoughts on them getting free money to prove the election was fair and correct.
I wonder if a Soro's backed Cyber Samari audit in 2016 would've brought objections from the GOP?Fine, then why are they only doing one county in AZ & GA? Why not audit states Trump won as well? Why not audit down ballot election as well?
And 20% or 30% of the people don't trust it because Trump was telling them he could only lose a rigged election and that the mail in ballots were fraudulent since last August - all without a shred of evidence. If you're in your bubble and all you hear is the election is rigged, a certain amount of people will believe it.
When im king. The trains will run on time.Fine, then why are they only doing one county in AZ & GA? Why not audit states Trump won as well? Why not audit down ballot election as well?
And 20% or 30% of the people don't trust it because Trump was telling them he could only lose a rigged election and that the mail in ballots were fraudulent since last August - all without a shred of evidence. If you're in your bubble and all you hear is the election is rigged, a certain amount of people will believe it.
Every. Means all. Federal elections. Now ask me about delawareWhen is the Utah audit scheduled? They've been voting primarily by mail for years. Do you worry there's been fraud in Utah?
This recount won’t do that. It will be a talking point to do the opposite.When im king. The trains will run on time.
I dont think it was stolen. But i have an interest in proof to people who dont.
You know what. I said a forensic audit. Recounts just count the same votes over again. If someone says there are illegal votes. Recounring them wont help.This recount won’t do that. It will be a talking point to do the opposite.
See, I don't think this is about "election integrity" at all. I think its about appeasing a base that's been told the election was stolen and more than half of the losing party believes it. They believe it because they've been lied to. And this is all a clown show.When im king. The trains will run on time.
I dont think it was stolen. But i have an interest in proof to people who dont.
Why hasn't Utah been audited? I mean, it its truly about "integrity" why target only the counties (not states, counties) Trump lost? Seem disingenuous to cherry pick what gets audited, no?Every. Means all. Federal elections. Now ask me about delaware
Well I guess this is what they are calling the AZ fiasco going on right now - an audit.You know what. I said a forensic audit. Recounts just count the same votes over again. If someone says there are illegal votes. Recounring them wont help.
This post should be pinned. Folks, please don't fall for "the elections were rigged" thing. Want to disagree on policy, great. People are smarter than this. Be best, as a former first lady might say.See, I don't think this is about "election integrity" at all. I think its about appeasing a base that's been told the election was stolen and more than half of the losing party believes it. They believe it because they've been lied to. And this is all a clown show.
And as @killface correctly points out, this is the opposite of building integrity. Every state, red and blue, have certified/recounted/audited their elections. No one has even hinted at impropriety. Trump's own commission on election fraud said there is no fraud in our system. But the baseless allegations continue, and that is hurting our elections, not helping.
It is a fiasco. This is exactly how not to do it.Well I guess this is what they are calling the AZ fiasco going on right now - an audit.
Yeah me too...I am now thinking that he actually does want to hear what Sherriff Joe has to say
From the link:
It's a dangerous path for sure...information is the biggest and most dangerous weapon in the USA right nowFrom the link:
Information warfare takes many forms, but it has an overarching goal: to divide, demoralize and disorient a political foe by manipulating the social and media environments. As Yuri Bezmenov, a Soviet intelligence defector, explained in a chilling 1983 interview, “What it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their family, their community and their country.”
Well next time i hear someone say they dont trust the govt. I tell them " Folks, please don't fall for "the elections were rigged" thing. -Grace Under Pressure.This post should be pinned. Folks, please don't fall for "the elections were rigged" thing. Want to disagree on policy, great. People are smarter than this. Be best, as a former first lady might say.
Good information is the cure for bad information. Not governmental and big tech censorship.It's a dangerous path for sure...information is the biggest and most dangerous weapon in the USA right now