Marion Barber (1 Viewer)

[cpstorm]

It seems to me that if you have him @ #3, I would be trying to trade down in round 1.... something like a 1.03 and 2.10 for 1.05 and 2.08

 

[Kleck]

Someone can put it in their sig, but I'll be shocked if Barber finishes in the top-5.

So, I imagine you like LT, ADP, Westy, SJax in front of him. For him to not finish in the top 5, that means you have the likes of Addai or Portis ahead of him?

Both

So do I.

 

[Katism]

So Dodds has Barber at RB7 on his performance PPR rankings he just released. What do the other footballguys "experts" think? Are Lammey and Bloom different from what everyone else thinks?

 

[teamroc]

Someone can put it in their sig, but I'll be shocked if Barber finishes in the top-5.

So, I imagine you like LT, ADP, Westy, SJax in front of him. For him to not finish in the top 5, that means you have the likes of Addai or Portis ahead of him?

Both

So do I.

3rd

 

[Judge Smails]

Someone can put it in their sig, but I'll be shocked if Barber finishes in the top-5.

So, I imagine you like LT, ADP, Westy, SJax in front of him. For him to not finish in the top 5, that means you have the likes of Addai or Portis ahead of him?

Both

So do I.

3rd

So does every magazine on the rack. And FFA lemmings.Seriously, it's a gut call. they could all end up within 20 points of each other. At that point, it's how they do in the playoffs that will matter.

 

[ckalltheway]

In my keep 3 (1 must be 25 or under) league I traded him straight across for Marshawn Lynch (3 more years U25.)

In my 14 team PPR redraft I picked Frank Gore at 1-7 over him (he went 1-8).

Because of this Barber will have a massive season. Write it down. 2000 combined yards, 60 catches, 15-20 TDs. I'll be barfing every Sunday.

I just don't trust him being with this being the first year with all of the pressure on him and Felix Jones hanging around and Jonesy all excited about his new toy.

 

[switz]

Someone can put it in their sig, but I'll be shocked if Barber finishes in the top-5.

So, I imagine you like LT, ADP, Westy, SJax in front of him. For him to not finish in the top 5, that means you have the likes of Addai or Portis ahead of him?

Both

So do I.

3rd

So does every magazine on the rack. And FFA lemmings.Seriously, it's a gut call. they could all end up within 20 points of each other. At that point, it's how they do in the playoffs that will matter.

The lemmings in here are the ones rating Barber 3-5.I haven't looked at an FF mag, I have no idea where he's ranked in them, but I've seen almost unanimous ranking of Barber in the top-5 by FBG staff. For people on this forum, Barber in the top-5 is the "norm" - it's the guys who have him outside the top-5 that are going a different direction and not following the crowd.

 

[The Sniper]

Don't worry about what other people think. If he's not going to be available at your next pick and you really like him - take him. I wouldn't look to trading down - you're playing with fire that someone else is going to take the player you really want and throw your entire strategy in to chaos. I saw this firsthand a couple years ago when a guy traded down to get McGahee because he didn't want to spend a higher pick on Priest. Guess what happened - yep, McGahee goes first, he gets stuck with Priest and a mid-season injury ruins his season. It's your team, do what you want, you don't need validation or permission.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I just think it's unlikely that MBIII can finish #3 when the Boys drafted another highly touted RB in the first round. My take is that MBIII will not get more than 225 carries. He could still finish top 3 but you're basically hoping for a 25-30% increase in production on a 10% increase in touches. And this coming from a guy who was already scoring the lionshare of rushing TD's. I just don't see it.

 

[mcd]

Haven't read through the whole thread, but the Barber situation is very similar to Addai's going into last season. Addai had spent the previous year splitting with Rhodes. Everyone expected much bigger numbers for Addai once Rhodes left. In reality, Addai got about 40 more carries but ran for less yardage because his average dropped by almost 3/4 of a yard. Even more telling, Addai averaged 4.7 yards to start the season, but only 3.3 yards over the last 9 games. In my opinion Addai wore down over a full season as he wasn't used to carrying the full load.

In the top 5 picks, Barber has no upside, he has to carry the full load without a letdown. With his running style it wouldn't surprise me at all if he started out on fire, but cooled as the season progressed, much like Addai. Also have to wonder how he will hold up physically with 250+ carries.

 

[Tong Po]

My argument against those who say Barber has no upside... and won't finish Top 5.... has been the following...

Barber had 1255 total yards and scored 12 touchdowns in 2007, and finished as the 7th ranked RB.

He had 850 total yards, but scored 16 touchdowns in 2006 finishing as RB16.

If he can combine the yardage totals from 2007 with the touchdown totals from 2006... he would be well on his way to a Top 5 RB finish.

And with the Dallas offense capable of even bigger offensive numbers, I don't see why this is far-fetched.

 

[lord_helmet]

I took Barber at #3 in a PPR FBG draft on Monday night. I caught some smack for it, but thats the way it goes. I just think he is the safest pick at that point.

I have Westbrook real close as well, and most have him at #2 or 3 in PPR leagues. Almost took him instead.

Lots of talk about MB3's running style and injury risk, but I'd say Gore, S Jax, Addai and even Westbrook have their own concerns when it comes to injury. Seems like Westbrook was questionable every week last year. Not much Practice time for him either.

I also like Dallas' offense much better than the others. Indy is in the discussion, but I just have a bad feeling abouth them this year.

Romo broke the team record last year with 36 TD's. I'd assume he has to come back to earth some also, possibly giving MB3 more scoring oppertunnities.

Felix is the wildcard, but after the last game I am starting to think his rookie impact is being exaggerated some. (Sorry Switz)

The thing I worry about the most with MB3 is if the Cowboys are up big in the 2nd half and they decide to shut MB3 down early.

Don't worry about that, I'm sure switz' arguments would have been exactly the same no matter who the rookie/FA behindBarber turned out to be.

 

[millertyme1]

Good call. I've had him #3 for awhile.

Outside LT and Westbrook, I don't see a safer RB out there. (talent, opportunity, surrounded by great talent in great offense).

Cost of Chester: too much; Peterson's never completed season.

Jackson: Mediocre offense and injury issues of his own

Lynch: Will never ever understand why he was going ahead of him at any point. Oh well, your bad.

Addai: Flip a coin between him and Peterson. 2nd half last year is worrisome.

 

[crush304]

julius jones was able to keep barber on the bench a lot the last 3 years

julius jones is now not able to put maurice morris on the bench

something doesn't add up

 

[Tong Po]

julius jones was able to keep barber on the bench a lot the last 3 yearsjulius jones is now not able to put maurice morris on the benchsomething doesn't add up

I think we can all agree that Julius Jones never "kept Barber on the bench".And Jones is no longer with the team while Barber has a fat contract.....so there's really nothing to add up.

 

[crush304]

julius jones was able to keep barber on the bench a lot the last 3 yearsjulius jones is now not able to put maurice morris on the benchsomething doesn't add up

I think we can all agree that Julius Jones never "kept Barber on the bench".And Jones is no longer with the team while Barber has a fat contract.....so there's really nothing to add up.

jones had 677 carres the last 3 years to barbers 477last year jones had 162 carries to barbers 204

 

[Tong Po]

julius jones was able to keep barber on the bench a lot the last 3 yearsjulius jones is now not able to put maurice morris on the benchsomething doesn't add up

I think we can all agree that Julius Jones never "kept Barber on the bench".And Jones is no longer with the team while Barber has a fat contract.....so there's really nothing to add up.

jones had 677 carres the last 3 years to barbers 477last year jones had 162 carries to barbers 204

Thanks for making my point... and I didn't even have to do the extra research.I would call that a time share... and not one guy keeping the other on the bench.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Had one of my money league drafts tonight. Drafted in the 9th hole, and Barber fell to me. Took me 2 seconds do hit that draft button.

I have Barber 5th in my rb rankings, to get him at the 9 hole=

 

[BigJim®]

It seems to me that if you have him @ #3, I would be trying to trade down in round 1.... something like a 1.03 and 2.10 for 1.05 and 2.08

No, get more than that. Maybe 1.3/3.3 for 1.5/2.8.Barber at 1.3 is a little rich for my blood. It would be tough to pass on Westbrook/SJax/Addai for Barber. A decent argument can be made for 1.6. I think he's a great pick at 1.7-1.9. It's not a laugher; I'd just need to see a little more to put Barber at 3.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

In a PPR, hard to put him ahead of Westbrook. In a regular league, hard to put him ahead of Jackson, since there's no time share in St. Louis.

I could see putting him ahead of Addai since the Colts have a tough schedule and I'm sure they feel comfortable giving Rhodes a decent amount of carries. I'm not sure I could see taking him at #3. Somebody (depending on the scoring system) always looks like the better pick to me.

 

[Bob Magaw]

i haven't seemed to have a lot of high draft picks in my drafts this year, but in a recent one where i had the 1.4, i was prepared to take barber, if it had been LT, AD & westbrook (brady went so i got westbrook)... this was when jackson was still holding out & i was concerned it could drag on longer... now i would put jackson 1.4 & barber 1.5 (addai 1.6)...

 

[crush304]

julius jones was able to keep barber on the bench a lot the last 3 yearsjulius jones is now not able to put maurice morris on the benchsomething doesn't add up

I think we can all agree that Julius Jones never "kept Barber on the bench".And Jones is no longer with the team while Barber has a fat contract.....so there's really nothing to add up.

jones had 677 carres the last 3 years to barbers 477last year jones had 162 carries to barbers 204

Thanks for making my point... and I didn't even have to do the extra research.I would call that a time share... and not one guy keeping the other on the bench.

ok, so why was one the best backs in the league sharing time for 3 year with a guy who can't beat out career backup maurice morris

 

[JamesTheScot]

Hasn't MBIII been given goal-line and inside the 20 yard line duties exclusively over the past two years? Why, with the addition of a high quality backup, would we expect a large uptick in TD's?

Barber + Jones = 14 TD's in 2007. Jones only had 2 of those.Not sure where the offense or personnel has changed enough to suddenly project 20+ TD's for Barber this season. With Owens and Witten still there (22 TD's between them in '07), I'm not sure from whom Barber's going to vulture them.On the other hand I can see as few as 10 or I could see as many as 15.In our scoring system you could have added Barber and Jones together and still finished behind Westbrook and Tomlinson in PPG. I think he'll have a strong start but I think Felix eats into his touches as the season wears on.I think he's a lock for the top 10 but I'd be a little suprised if he finished in the top 5.

 

[Tong Po]

julius jones was able to keep barber on the bench a lot the last 3 yearsjulius jones is now not able to put maurice morris on the benchsomething doesn't add up

I think we can all agree that Julius Jones never "kept Barber on the bench".And Jones is no longer with the team while Barber has a fat contract.....so there's really nothing to add up.

jones had 677 carres the last 3 years to barbers 477last year jones had 162 carries to barbers 204

Thanks for making my point... and I didn't even have to do the extra research.I would call that a time share... and not one guy keeping the other on the bench.

ok, so why was one the best backs in the league sharing time for 3 year with a guy who can't beat out career backup maurice morris

To keep him fresh.... allow him to wear down defenses late in games.... keep him healthy through a full season?I think the Cowboys have been very smart in the way they've handled Barber's workload.And I'm not in the camp that believes he's gonna suddenly turn into the workhorse now that JJ is gone.Felix will take those touches now... and probably do a lot more with them.My point is that Barber will get his yards.... and he will score touchdowns. Dallas will put a lot of points on the board.So he has a legit chance to finish Top 5.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Romo broke the team record last year with 36 TD's. I'd assume he has to come back to earth some also, possibly giving MB3 more scoring oppertunnities. Felix is the wildcard, but after the last game I am starting to think his rookie impact is being exaggerated some. (Sorry Switz)The thing I worry about the most with MB3 is if the Cowboys are up big in the 2nd half and they decide to shut MB3 down early.

If Romo comes back to earth, it will be reflected not just in his TD numbers, but also in the number of trips into the redzone, failed 3rd down conversions, more field goals, etc.. I'm not sure Romo coming back to earth is a good thing for Barber.Romo + Owens + Witten is still intact. I don't see them slowing down until someone comes out and slows them down first...which means they will have to squander opportunities before the sideline decides to shift philosophy and focus to Barber.

 

[Manster]

MBIII has as much of a chance to be a top 5 RB as any RB taken in the 1st. and he's less of a risk then most. so if you like him take him.

 

[Raider Nation]

With this team, there is always a concern that his load will be lightened come fantasy playoff time if their seed is locked up.

 

[millertyme1]

ok, so why was one the best backs in the league sharing time for 3 year with a guy who can't beat out career backup maurice morris

This is like going out on a first date and the girl won't stop talking about her ex. It's not my Marion's problem.

 

[taz]

It seems to me that if you have him @ #3, I would be trying to trade down in round 1.... something like a 1.03 and 2.10 for 1.05 and 2.08

No, get more than that. Maybe 1.3/3.3 for 1.5/2.8.Barber at 1.3 is a little rich for my blood. It would be tough to pass on Westbrook/SJax/Addai for Barber. A decent argument can be made for 1.6. I think he's a great pick at 1.7-1.9. It's not a laugher; I'd just need to see a little more to put Barber at 3.

I had pick the 8th pick in a 14-team PPR and targeted Barber, but traded up and now have the third pick. Assuming LT/AP/Westy/Addai/SJax/Brady are among the top 6 (I know for sure Brady would be gone - not that I'd take him at 1.8 anyway), I wasn't comfortable risking Barber slipping to 8 and being left to choose from Gore/Portis/Moss/Lynch.I'll take Westbrook or AP and breathe easier.

 

[hardcoredx]

I doubt Barber finishes in the top 10 , I would bet a ton he doesn't finish top 3. Felix is better than Julius and I think there is a reason Dallas took him with their first pick.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Sorry, but I just don't see Barber as the #3 RB. Top-10 - yes. Top-3 - no way.

 

[Katism]

Hopefully Bloom and Lammey will discuss this thread on their show tonight.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

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[Bl Deep]

Such a laugher that MB3 can't produce because of some back who no one knows can even play in the NFL... yet they have AP, with Chester splitting as a lock #2....

no logic... Felix fumbles twice and MB3 is a top 3 back...

Feature Back: Check

Very Good OLine: Check

Goalline Back: Check

Offensive Situation: Check Top 3-4 in league

The negatives on this guy have been grossly exaggerated. JJones may love his gadget RB draft pick, but he loves winning more, and with a team poised to make a superbowl run, he is going to give it to his most talented player when the chips are on the tabel.

 

[Pimpin Ain't Easy]

Romo broke the team record last year with 36 TD's. I'd assume he has to come back to earth some also, possibly giving MB3 more scoring oppertunnities. Felix is the wildcard, but after the last game I am starting to think his rookie impact is being exaggerated some. (Sorry Switz)The thing I worry about the most with MB3 is if the Cowboys are up big in the 2nd half and they decide to shut MB3 down early.

If Romo comes back to earth, it will be reflected not just in his TD numbers, but also in the number of trips into the redzone, failed 3rd down conversions, more field goals, etc.. I'm not sure Romo coming back to earth is a good thing for Barber.Romo + Owens + Witten is still intact. I don't see them slowing down until someone comes out and slows them down first...which means they will have to squander opportunities before the sideline decides to shift philosophy and focus to Barber.

I expect the offense to keep up the pace from last year, if not improve. I just expect the passing TD's to go down and rushing TD's to go up.Much like many expect Brady and to a lesser extent Rothlisberger to decline in passing TD's.Also, even with Kosier out right now, the line looks to be improved so far this year.As always, we will see.

 

[aldelgreco]

Such a laugher that MB3 can't produce because of some back who no one knows can even play in the NFL... yet they have AP, with Chester splitting as a lock #2.... no logic... Felix fumbles twice and MB3 is a top 3 back... Feature Back: CheckVery Good OLine: CheckGoalline Back: CheckOffensive Situation: Check Top 3-4 in leagueThe negatives on this guy have been grossly exaggerated. JJones may love his gadget RB draft pick, but he loves winning more, and with a team poised to make a superbowl run, he is going to give it to his most talented player when the chips are on the tabel.

word.

 

[switz]

I took Barber at #3 in a PPR FBG draft on Monday night. I caught some smack for it, but thats the way it goes. I just think he is the safest pick at that point.

I have Westbrook real close as well, and most have him at #2 or 3 in PPR leagues. Almost took him instead.

Lots of talk about MB3's running style and injury risk, but I'd say Gore, S Jax, Addai and even Westbrook have their own concerns when it comes to injury. Seems like Westbrook was questionable every week last year. Not much Practice time for him either.

I also like Dallas' offense much better than the others. Indy is in the discussion, but I just have a bad feeling abouth them this year.

Romo broke the team record last year with 36 TD's. I'd assume he has to come back to earth some also, possibly giving MB3 more scoring oppertunnities.

Felix is the wildcard, but after the last game I am starting to think his rookie impact is being exaggerated some. (Sorry Switz)

The thing I worry about the most with MB3 is if the Cowboys are up big in the 2nd half and they decide to shut MB3 down early.

Don't worry about that, I'm sure switz' arguments would have been exactly the same no matter who the rookie/FA behind Barber turned out to be.

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Such a laugher that MB3 can't produce because of some back who no one knows can even play in the NFL... yet they have AP, with Chester splitting as a lock #2.... no logic... Felix fumbles twice and MB3 is a top 3 back... Feature Back: CheckVery Good OLine: CheckGoalline Back: CheckOffensive Situation: Check Top 3-4 in leagueThe negatives on this guy have been grossly exaggerated. JJones may love his gadget RB draft pick, but he loves winning more, and with a team poised to make a superbowl run, he is going to give it to his most talented player when the chips are on the tabel.

That all sounds good, but you have failed to answer the question on everyone's mind, which is why Barber has not touched the ball more in the past, and why will that suddenly change, particularly in light of the acquisition of Felix Jones. And why is Barber going to be Top 3 on a team which excels in the passing game like Dallas. To wit, is SD great at passing? Is Minn great at passing? St Louis? Philly? No. Dallas doesn't need to feed Barber 275 times to win, and they won't. Barber can't be top 3 for the same reason Addai can't. The passing game is too good.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Did anyone hear on ESPN that there is something in Barbers contract about the number of carries he must get?

 

[Teef]

Did anyone hear on ESPN that there is something in Barbers contract about the number of carries he must get?

No, please explain.

 

[On The Rocks]

Any of you that already drafted MB3 - did you target Felix late? And if so, what round did you get him? Or what round did he go in?

 

[Riflemen]

I just think it's unlikely that MBIII can finish #3 when the Boys drafted another highly touted RB in the first round. My take is that MBIII will not get more than 225 carries. He could still finish top 3 but you're basically hoping for a 25-30% increase in production on a 10% increase in touches. And this coming from a guy who was already scoring the lionshare of rushing TD's. I just don't see it.

Ugh.... this just brought back the nightmare of MBIII's rook season when I reached for JJ with the 7th pick in the draft. That didn't work out quite like I thought it would. I know that MBIII is a different animal from JJ but I was sooooo confident that JJ under Parcells was going to explode and be the next Cmart that I never saw the MBIII train a-coming. Ruined my season and made me wary about overdrafting a RB on a team that just spent a high draft pick on RB.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Did anyone hear on ESPN that there is something in Barbers contract about the number of carries he must get?

No, please explain.

It was either on ESPN radio or Sirius NFL radio this morning. I was listening while at work so I did not hear everything... what I did hear is that there is something in his contract in regards to the majority of the carries in the offense. Sorry I can not be any more accurate or supply some concrete info but I was trying to get some work done.

 

[oddball]

Any of you that already drafted MB3 - did you target Felix late? And if so, what round did you get him? Or what round did he go in?

Everything coming out of training camp and other cowboy sources are saying Tashard Choice is MBIII's backup. He is also Felix's backup.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

Someone can put it in their sig, but I'll be shocked if Barber finishes in the top-5.

So, I imagine you like LT, ADP, Westy, SJax in front of him. For him to not finish in the top 5, that means you have the likes of Addai or Portis ahead of him?

Both

So do I.

3rd

So does every magazine on the rack. And FFA lemmings.Seriously, it's a gut call. they could all end up within 20 points of each other. At that point, it's how they do in the playoffs that will matter.

The lemmings in here are the ones rating Barber 3-5.I haven't looked at an FF mag, I have no idea where he's ranked in them, but I've seen almost unanimous ranking of Barber in the top-5 by FBG staff. For people on this forum, Barber in the top-5 is the "norm" - it's the guys who have him outside the top-5 that are going a different direction and not following the crowd.

Dude, HAve you created an alternate world for yourself here? 20% of staffers have him in the top 5 in non-PPR and 10% of staffers have him in top 5 in PPR. I'm not saying your thoughts are wrong but there are FAR more people in agreement wiht you than against you...

 

[Captain_Apocalypse]

Any of you that already drafted MB3 - did you target Felix late? And if so, what round did you get him? Or what round did he go in?

Got MBIII with 8th overall pick, think I got Felix with 13 or 14th rounder. As far as choice, if MBIII goes down Choice will get touches but I expect most of the ground work to head over Felix's direction.

 

[Bl Deep]

Such a laugher that MB3 can't produce because of some back who no one knows can even play in the NFL... yet they have AP, with Chester splitting as a lock #2.... no logic... Felix fumbles twice and MB3 is a top 3 back... Feature Back: CheckVery Good OLine: CheckGoalline Back: CheckOffensive Situation: Check Top 3-4 in leagueThe negatives on this guy have been grossly exaggerated. JJones may love his gadget RB draft pick, but he loves winning more, and with a team poised to make a superbowl run, he is going to give it to his most talented player when the chips are on the tabel.

That all sounds good, but you have failed to answer the question on everyone's mind, which is why Barber has not touched the ball more in the past, and why will that suddenly change, particularly in light of the acquisition of Felix Jones. And why is Barber going to be Top 3 on a team which excels in the passing game like Dallas. To wit, is SD great at passing? Is Minn great at passing? St Louis? Philly? No. Dallas doesn't need to feed Barber 275 times to win, and they won't. Barber can't be top 3 for the same reason Addai can't. The passing game is too good.

For the same reason Addai is a top 5 back. he gets 12+ tds because his offense gets in the redzone more than most.. That is a huge benefit to a GL runner, not a detriment. The reason MB3 will touch the ball more is because he is a feature back now, with a scatback gadget backup... Every starter in the league has a backup you can be fearful of if you want to make yourself paranoid.If MB3 produces, and he has done nothing but produce with every opportunity he has been given, there is no reason why he will be limited besides usual relief spells by backups...For all the smart people on the board, it hasn't occurred to you that they shipped off JJ b/c they realized they had their guy, and only needed to augment him with a COP back, rather than a 1a/1b feature back situation...????? Seems so blatently obvious. He'll get 20 touches a game receiving included... for ~300+/- total touches, and at 5 ypt, he'll put up 1500 total yards and 12-15 tds. Thats top 3. he has #1 overall RB upside.

 

[teamroc]

For the same reason Addai is a top 5 back. he gets 12+ tds because his offense gets in the redzone more than most.. That is a huge benefit to a GL runner, not a detriment. The reason MB3 will touch the ball more is because he is a feature back now, with a scatback gadget backup... Every starter in the league has a backup you can be fearful of if you want to make yourself paranoid.If MB3 produces, and he has done nothing but produce with every opportunity he has been given, there is no reason why he will be limited besides usual relief spells by backups...For all the smart people on the board, it hasn't occurred to you that they shipped off JJ b/c they realized they had their guy, and only needed to augment him with a COP back, rather than a 1a/1b feature back situation...????? Seems so blatently obvious. He'll get 20 touches a game receiving included... for ~300+/- total touches, and at 5 ypt, he'll put up 1500 total yards and 12-15 tds. Thats top 3. he has #1 overall RB upside.

I agree with some of that.Felix is a rookie. 50% chance he's a bust. 25% chance he's decent, 25% chance he's real good. Either way, with the game on the line, Felix isn't carrying the rock. On the road, tight game, final drive, needs to score. Barber will be in there.dallas would love for felix to be great, run a rbbc, but who knows. preseason plans usually disappear quickly when the game is on the line, you're losing, tough conditions, romo is struggling. you really gonna send out felix? the main risk i see with barber is a blowout. when they can afford to run felix, they will. save barber, keep him fresh. when the game is in hand, 4th quarter, i see them pushing felix a lot. there probably wont be much garbage time production for barber. what if they are down 3-4 tds. maybe feed felix more for the homerun threat? barber is clearly a very good rb. the team has fallen in love with rbbc, so that will catch up with him some. but there's still lots of risk to felix. he might completely blow. people love to assume rookies will produce. there's a lot of pitfalls to felix jones this year. he's in a nice spot, but he still has to get it done. if he struggles early, he'll get less touches. plain and simple. dallas can't afford to play rookies so felix can develop. they need to get a bye, and make a sb run. they don't have time for rookie mistakes, rookie walls, or felix missing the blitz. barber should be a very safe bet, and felix might punk him a few times this year ff wise, but i doubt that will be the norm.

 

[Manster]

For the same reason Addai is a top 5 back. he gets 12+ tds because his offense gets in the redzone more than most.. That is a huge benefit to a GL runner, not a detriment. The reason MB3 will touch the ball more is because he is a feature back now, with a scatback gadget backup... Every starter in the league has a backup you can be fearful of if you want to make yourself paranoid.If MB3 produces, and he has done nothing but produce with every opportunity he has been given, there is no reason why he will be limited besides usual relief spells by backups...For all the smart people on the board, it hasn't occurred to you that they shipped off JJ b/c they realized they had their guy, and only needed to augment him with a COP back, rather than a 1a/1b feature back situation...????? Seems so blatently obvious. He'll get 20 touches a game receiving included... for ~300+/- total touches, and at 5 ypt, he'll put up 1500 total yards and 12-15 tds. Thats top 3. he has #1 overall RB upside.

I agree with some of that.Felix is a rookie. 50% chance he's a bust. 25% chance he's decent, 25% chance he's real good. Either way, with the game on the line, Felix isn't carrying the rock. On the road, tight game, final drive, needs to score. Barber will be in there.dallas would love for felix to be great, run a rbbc, but who knows. preseason plans usually disappear quickly when the game is on the line, you're losing, tough conditions, romo is struggling. you really gonna send out felix? the main risk i see with barber is a blowout. when they can afford to run felix, they will. save barber, keep him fresh. when the game is in hand, 4th quarter, i see them pushing felix a lot. there probably wont be much garbage time production for barber. what if they are down 3-4 tds. maybe feed felix more for the homerun threat? barber is clearly a very good rb. the team has fallen in love with rbbc, so that will catch up with him some. but there's still lots of risk to felix. he might completely blow. people love to assume rookies will produce. there's a lot of pitfalls to felix jones this year. he's in a nice spot, but he still has to get it done. if he struggles early, he'll get less touches. plain and simple. dallas can't afford to play rookies so felix can develop. they need to get a bye, and make a sb run. they don't have time for rookie mistakes, rookie walls, or felix missing the blitz. barber should be a very safe bet, and felix might punk him a few times this year ff wise, but i doubt that will be the norm.

good points. this rookie RB thing (blame ADP) has gotten outta hand.

 

[switz]

Someone can put it in their sig, but I'll be shocked if Barber finishes in the top-5.

So, I imagine you like LT, ADP, Westy, SJax in front of him. For him to not finish in the top 5, that means you have the likes of Addai or Portis ahead of him?

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So do I.

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So does every magazine on the rack. And FFA lemmings.Seriously, it's a gut call. they could all end up within 20 points of each other. At that point, it's how they do in the playoffs that will matter.

The lemmings in here are the ones rating Barber 3-5.I haven't looked at an FF mag, I have no idea where he's ranked in them, but I've seen almost unanimous ranking of Barber in the top-5 by FBG staff. For people on this forum, Barber in the top-5 is the "norm" - it's the guys who have him outside the top-5 that are going a different direction and not following the crowd.

Dude, HAve you created an alternate world for yourself here? 20% of staffers have him in the top 5 in non-PPR and 10% of staffers have him in top 5 in PPR. I'm not saying your thoughts are wrong but there are FAR more people in agreement wiht you than against you...

I don't have a subscription, so I can only go by the regular staff posters in here, and at least the ones I've seen all have him ranked top-5ish... or seem to support that stand - Pasquino, Wimer, Woodrow, Bloom, Lammey