Marital Advice - Friendly camping trip too friendly? (1 Viewer)

[Nigel Tufnel]

I promise I will never start a thread like this.

Do you want to go camping?

Oh, yeah. I wanna go camping real hard.

 

[chet]

Has anyone else noticed that The Man in the Yellow Hat has a "curious" friend named George?

I THINK YOU ARE THE FIRST!

And why did MITYH listen to his friend when George told him to check on his wife? No one's asking the tough questions.

 

[pats3in4]

Sure, but being drunk would probably just make me more beligerent when putting a stop to the horny couple in the pisser. George was concerned and sober enough to drop all these semi-vague hints to ManHat, but too drunk to actually step in when he saw things crossing the line? Sorry, in my book, George sorta sucks as a friend.

Understated (intentionally, I'm sure). George is a submissive punk who yields to alpha dog Steve. George knows he's being forced to pick sides and his silence shows he's picking sides with the scoundrel. Submissive, no balls George. Curious George the monkey has more integrity than meek camping buddy George.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Update?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Sure, but being drunk would probably just make me more beligerent when putting a stop to the horny couple in the pisser. George was concerned and sober enough to drop all these semi-vague hints to ManHat, but too drunk to actually step in when he saw things crossing the line? Sorry, in my book, George sorta sucks as a friend.

Understated (intentionally, I'm sure). George is a submissive punk who yields to alpha dog Steve. George knows he's being forced to pick sides and his silence shows he's picking sides with the scoundrel. Submissive, no balls George. Curious George the monkey has more integrity than meek camping buddy George.

Or maybe George realizes that he tried to help the husband by originally telling him that his wife and Steve were together in a stall, but since the husband did nothing at the time, he sees no reason to help him any further. Lame, yes, but that might be what he is thinking.

 

[Shrek]

Sure, but being drunk would probably just make me more beligerent when putting a stop to the horny couple in the pisser. George was concerned and sober enough to drop all these semi-vague hints to ManHat, but too drunk to actually step in when he saw things crossing the line? Sorry, in my book, George sorta sucks as a friend.

Understated (intentionally, I'm sure). George is a submissive punk who yields to alpha dog Steve. George knows he's being forced to pick sides and his silence shows he's picking sides with the scoundrel. Submissive, no balls George. Curious George the monkey has more integrity than meek camping buddy George.

DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK IT'S WEIRD THAT THE OP CHOSE "CURIOUS" GEORGE AS THE NAME FOR HIS FRIEND?????????

 

[Sack-Religious]

Update?

We're planning a camping trip.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Has anyone else noticed that The Man in the Yellow Hat has a "curious" friend named George?

Internal Honda.

 

[Warhogs]

WOW! I am getting nothing done just trying to get caught up.You HAVE to find Steve and see what info you can get out of him. I would say kick his ### as well, but realistically you have to worry about the legal ramifications of doing so. That being said, popping him in the face once and walking away, he'll leave it alone without pressing charges as he won't want to have to recount the whole story to authorities and explain to this wife, if she does not already know, why you felt compelled to pop him.

I sound like a broken record here, but going after Steve is pretty stupid unless you have all the facts. And right now, the only one who saw or remembers anything is George. He needs to talk to George in person or on the phone and explain how important it is that he gets all the facts straight about that evening before he goes off and does something stupid. What did George see, when did he see it, who else was there, the whole nine yards. The more details the better.

To be honest, I think George told me and guy #3 what he saw. My wife into the stall and apparently held the guy's junk while he peed. He was back to camp long before anything else could've possibly happened. I don't care what he says now, the fact is he told me my wife was in the stall with the guy and he told guy #3 she was holding his junk. He can deny all he wants now, but he said it. I don't need him to say anything. I'm pretty convinved it happened.

MITYH, I am just curious about what your thoughts are if indeed she was drunk, in stall, held his junk. Without getting into what else might have happened, how would you react to this? Could you accept this as an unfortunate incident and forgive your wife?

 

[Mr. Chumley]

Sure, but being drunk would probably just make me more beligerent when putting a stop to the horny couple in the pisser. George was concerned and sober enough to drop all these semi-vague hints to ManHat, but too drunk to actually step in when he saw things crossing the line? Sorry, in my book, George sorta sucks as a friend.

Understated (intentionally, I'm sure). George is a submissive punk who yields to alpha dog Steve. George knows he's being forced to pick sides and his silence shows he's picking sides with the scoundrel. Submissive, no balls George. Curious George the monkey has more integrity than meek camping buddy George.

Yes, George told Yellow Hat to go check on wife but he held back some pretty crucial deatils. If George knew she was handling Steve's junk he should have stopped it or at the very least been a little more adamant that Yellow Hat get there.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

En vino veritas, whatever... Have a couple of thoughts about the emotions that could lead to this...1) Wife KNOWS you aren't going to come check on her. You either are, or she sees you, as inattentive. This is what it is. The fact you didn't check on her probably shows a bit of a boneless streak in you, but that's just based on the fact that most women, even sloshed, would have enough FEAR that their mate would come along (let alone respect) to refrain. Unless they can safely say something like, "He doesn't care."2) Steve knows he's more powerful than you. He gets off on the fact that he can have anything you have. Because of this, if you work things out with your wife, you can never go near him. If this ended in a bathroom free-for-all, it didn't start there. There were eyes and signals being exchanged, you better believe it, so there is nothing innocent or excused here. But this begins and ends with the core of who you are. Either you need to build self confidence and assert yourself to the point where you aren't squarely at the bottom of the pack as far as respect amongst your peers, but you choose friends and your relationships based upon people who don't see themselves as above you. Steve isn't a friend. He lords over you. And your wife knows this about Steve. She digs it. She sees things in your character that are weaker than her ideals. That is only an indictment of you insomuch as you chose her to be a centerpiece in your life. She doesn't seem like the kind of girl who wants to lead a happy, normal, productive life as your peer. She apparently feels she settled and what she really wants she couldn't obtain... So she had to steal it. In my opinion, the damage is done. You need to move on and find a better dynamic. You're at the bottom rung of a ladder you don't even want to climb.

Yikes.

 

[Angry Beavers]

MITYH,For what it's worth, from a female point of view.....I wish you and your wife the best. I've read this entire thread and I just want you to know a few thoughts. I believe your wife knows what happens. Perhaps she is afraid of the consequences of being straight with you. She is probably embarrased and deeply regrets it all. I don't believe she went as far as to have secks with Steve, but something happened. In your heart, you know what type of human being your wife is. You know her history. Noone here does. You have to decide to what degree the uncertainty of this situation is going to fester and eat at you, and then after you decide that, you can decide how far you want to go to pursue the truth, knowing that you may NEVER find it.I can only hope that if I were in your wife's shoes, I would see the hurt and misery this has caused you, and be able to help put this mess to rest, by being honest, so that you two can move on. If I was being wrongly accused, I would be angry, and I'd be calling whotheforkever it took to clear this up. I'd call every friend and the whole phone book if that's what it took. Her not doing this raises questions. If I DID do something, I hope I'd be able to just fess up and realize that keeping it real between my husband and myself is the very best plan. The secrets will fester and cause more pain.If you decide to pursue the truth, you need to pay a visit to George and Steve and have a chat with them separately, and let them both know that you are dead serious about this. Having your wife call Steve is silly to me if they are both keeping the dirty secret. You could use the "call his bluff" approach with Steve.....word it carefully so that he thinks your wife has confessed to something.....not sure how much but you be the judge. Then you have to be prepared to deal with what you find.Just please remember: Your wife knows exactly what happened. Good luck.

great even.As I said earlier, the "I don't remember" defense is a get out of jail free card for her. Her not upending every stone to find out if she was fondled (or more) belies that she remembers more than she is letting on.

OR she is worried about what she did do and does not want to know.........

 

[urbanhack]

En vino veritas, whatever... Have a couple of thoughts about the emotions that could lead to this...1) Wife KNOWS you aren't going to come check on her. You either are, or she sees you, as inattentive. This is what it is. The fact you didn't check on her probably shows a bit of a boneless streak in you, but that's just based on the fact that most women, even sloshed, would have enough FEAR that their mate would come along (let alone respect) to refrain. Unless they can safely say something like, "He doesn't care."2) Steve knows he's more powerful than you. He gets off on the fact that he can have anything you have. Because of this, if you work things out with your wife, you can never go near him. If this ended in a bathroom free-for-all, it didn't start there. There were eyes and signals being exchanged, you better believe it, so there is nothing innocent or excused here. But this begins and ends with the core of who you are. Either you need to build self confidence and assert yourself to the point where you aren't squarely at the bottom of the pack as far as respect amongst your peers, but you choose friends and your relationships based upon people who don't see themselves as above you. Steve isn't a friend. He lords over you. And your wife knows this about Steve. She digs it. She sees things in your character that are weaker than her ideals. That is only an indictment of you insomuch as you chose her to be a centerpiece in your life. She doesn't seem like the kind of girl who wants to lead a happy, normal, productive life as your peer. She apparently feels she settled and what she really wants she couldn't obtain... So she had to steal it. In my opinion, the damage is done. You need to move on and find a better dynamic. You're at the bottom rung of a ladder you don't even want to climb.

Yikes.

WoW

 

[Godsbrother]

What really sucks is that I am going to be gone and away from my computer until Tuesday and won't hear about the confrontation with Steve at the wedding.

Please for the love of all things holy keep this thread alive and unlocked until Wednesday!!!!

 

[Homewrecker Steve-O]

A couple things stand out about MIYH concerning the most recent updates:

1. Wanting your wife to talk to Steve to fill in the blanks?! Dude you have got to be kidding me. You can't be that fn nieve/dumb. WTF do you think his reply would be? He was GIVEN (she pursed him) a cookie from the cookie jar and the giver doesn't remember? A big fat 'nothing happened' on that one. Unless she's willing to lead him on into another session, he'll say 'nothing happened.' Even if that were to happen, he'd still say nothing but play right back to her saying 'sure; when you want to meet?'

2. Saying it's unfair of you to ask your wife to do that? GD, dude! The beotch first followed him there, then pursed him into the stall of a men's bathroom (Steve's wife using urinal) then held his crank while he peed. If you tell her to eat the peanuts out of your crap, she'd better do it. You need to rip the pants off that woman and put them back on yourself; i.e. grow a set. Damn, she betrayed you and regardless of whether she 'remembers' it or not, as the females here have pointed out she knows whether or not she had sex the night before.

3. If you believe the two didn't have sex after finding out she held his crank IN FRONT OF OTHERS, you're a bigger fool than P.T. Barnum ever dreamed of. She held his equipment in front of others, shook it after he was done, he starts getting a woody, she.........well, fill in the blanks.

4. The angle of telling Steve's wife what you suspect isn't an option. She knew her man was getting some that night and was okay with it.

In closing, I'd like to say you're screwed. Only viable option available to you if you have the guts for it is divorce with you setting the terms. Otherwise, you'll be miserable for the next year or two and your marriage will crumble and you won't have control of that divorce. Face it, the woman screwed up royally and is NOT kissing your butt? Obviously, she doesn't respect you or your love for her. Start over with someone who respects you and make sure you don't kiss her ### too much. A little is okay to keep the peace and keep her feeling special but too much and she'll look for a real man.

BTW, Great posting Mr. Ham. That's exactly what the guy needs to hear. Become the Alpha male of your house and definitely assert yourself with your friends.

 

[Warhogs]

I have not heard word on one of the characters in a while. How might Steve's wife help? I thought she was squatting in the urinal at the time of the suggested sausage holding. I don't think MITYH has tried to find out what she knows. She might be a good resource to band up with and try to find out "what did our spouse's do with/to each other?".

 

[pats3in4]

Sure, but being drunk would probably just make me more beligerent when putting a stop to the horny couple in the pisser. George was concerned and sober enough to drop all these semi-vague hints to ManHat, but too drunk to actually step in when he saw things crossing the line? Sorry, in my book, George sorta sucks as a friend.

Understated (intentionally, I'm sure). George is a submissive punk who yields to alpha dog Steve. George knows he's being forced to pick sides and his silence shows he's picking sides with the scoundrel. Submissive, no balls George. Curious George the monkey has more integrity than meek camping buddy George.

Or maybe George realizes that he tried to help the husband by originally telling him that his wife and Steve were together in a stall, but since the husband did nothing at the time, he sees no reason to help him any further. Lame, yes, but that might be what he is thinking.

It is lame. If that is how George feels, then instead of denying he remembers anything (when it's obvious he remembers it all since he recounted that morning the story of Steve's wife pissing in the urinal), he should outright tell TMIYH, "You know, I'm not getting involved any more than I did last night when I TOLD you to go check on your wife TWICE. Talk to Steve. Talk to your wife. Leave me alone!" It's a million times better than him pulling the, "Uh, I don't remember (read: Eff you)" card.ETA: At which point TMIYH should tell George off, but at least George is acting lesser like Steve's female dog.

 

[ScottNorwood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7pVfkSibQ

 

[Bailiver]

En vino veritas, whatever... Have a couple of thoughts about the emotions that could lead to this...1) Wife KNOWS you aren't going to come check on her. You either are, or she sees you, as inattentive. This is what it is. The fact you didn't check on her probably shows a bit of a boneless streak in you, but that's just based on the fact that most women, even sloshed, would have enough FEAR that their mate would come along (let alone respect) to refrain. Unless they can safely say something like, "He doesn't care."2) Steve knows he's more powerful than you. He gets off on the fact that he can have anything you have. Because of this, if you work things out with your wife, you can never go near him. If this ended in a bathroom free-for-all, it didn't start there. There were eyes and signals being exchanged, you better believe it, so there is nothing innocent or excused here. But this begins and ends with the core of who you are. Either you need to build self confidence and assert yourself to the point where you aren't squarely at the bottom of the pack as far as respect amongst your peers, but you choose friends and your relationships based upon people who don't see themselves as above you. Steve isn't a friend. He lords over you. And your wife knows this about Steve. She digs it. She sees things in your character that are weaker than her ideals. That is only an indictment of you insomuch as you chose her to be a centerpiece in your life. She doesn't seem like the kind of girl who wants to lead a happy, normal, productive life as your peer. She apparently feels she settled and what she really wants she couldn't obtain... So she had to steal it. In my opinion, the damage is done. You need to move on and find a better dynamic. You're at the bottom rung of a ladder you don't even want to climb.

There is not nearly enough facts to jump to these kinds of conclusions. This incident appears to have occurred spontaneously during a camping expedition where everyone had been drinking heavily. The fact that so many people are jumping to the conclusion that the marriage is over and that he should separate from his wife (and move away from his kids) over something like this speaks to the immaturity of the posters and their inexperience with RL marital issues.

 

[PsychoMan]

What really sucks is that I am going to be gone and away from my computer until Tuesday and won't hear about the confrontation with Steve at the wedding. Please for the love of all things holy keep this thread alive and unlocked until Wednesday!!!!

I'm going on a camping trip ( ) this weekend and won't be back till Sunday night!

 

[B-Deep]

I think way too many people are giving George a free pass here.

Let me state first, none of this is his fault, he is not the main person to be pissed at, not even in the top 2, but my friendship with him would be OVER

If I see the drunken wife of one of my friends about to grab another guy's johnson OR go into a bathroom stal with him I stop it right there. If it meant taking a beat down, I'd be up for that, but these are all college buddies, so it would not have come to that. Grabbing either one and saying "OK, a bit much to drink here let's not get crazy" and then escorting her back to camp probably solves this.

Barring that, I would not wander down and casually mention it and then let nothing happen for at least 15 minutes, I'd be rolling into camp and gathering whatever troops it took to get back up there RIGHT AWAY and stop whatever is happening, hell wandering out and YELLING to Mr. Yellowhat where the two bathroom buddies could hear may be enough.

Don't give me this crap about being friends with both and not wanting to get involved, because by walking away he was letting events transpire that could ruin the marriages of both his friends. And did he even mention anything to Steve's wife?

Not cool, not cool at all. I'd lay my ### on the line for my friends, and this guy couldn't seem to be bothered enough to lift a finger to stop a bad situation.

 

[E-Z Glider]

As others have pointed out, there are pieces of the puzzle missing.

1) You need to find out how the hell the guy knew she was holding his junk.

2) You need to find out why it was discussed with others and not you until you asked.

Anything else guys?

Need a woman's perspective here. If you blacked out, and were thereafter told that you were holding another guy's junk in the bathroom, that you went into a bathroom stall with this other guy, and came back to the campsite with this guy 15 minutes after everyone else, and then later discovered that your breasts were out of your bra, what would be your reaction? I would think that a woman who truly didn't remember would be absolutely freaking out, thinking that she may have been sexually assaulted or at the very least cheated on her husband. I would think that a woman who truly didn't remember would be just as interested in finding out what the hell happened, rather than responding with a "oh, I thought we were done talking about it" attitude. Am I off base?

Actually, her first reaction was to just walk away back to the bedroom and fold clothes while crying. This pretty much leads me to believe that she remembers somthing.

 

[Angry Beavers]

I have not heard word on one of the characters in a while. How might Steve's wife help? I thought she was squatting in the urinal at the time of the suggested sausage holding. I don't think MITYH has tried to find out what she knows. She might be a good resource to band up with and try to find out "what did our spouse's do with/to each other?".

The issue is she might not care if her Husband was getting a little something on the side.........

 

[Joseph]

I think way too many people are giving George a free pass here.Let me state first, none of this is his fault, he is not the main person to be pissed at, not even in the top 2, but my friendship with him would be OVERIf I see the drunken wife of one of my friends about to grab another guy's johnson OR go into a bathroom stal with him I stop it right there. If it meant taking a beat down, I'd be up for that, but these are all college buddies, so it would not have come to that. Grabbing either one and saying "OK, a bit much to drink here let's not get crazy" and then escorting her back to camp probably solves this.Barring that, I would not wander down and casually mention it and then let nothing happen for at least 15 minutes, I'd be rolling into camp and gathering whatever troops it took to get back up there RIGHT AWAY and stop whatever is happening, hell wandering out and YELLING to Mr. Yellowhat where the two bathroom buddies could hear may be enough.Don't give me this crap about being friends with both and not wanting to get involved, because by walking away he was letting events transpire that could ruin the marriages of both his friends. And did he even mention anything to Steve's wife?Not cool, not cool at all. I'd lay my ### on the line for my friends, and this guy couldn't seem to be bothered enough to lift a finger to stop a bad situation.

I agree with this. George is a tool for not doing anything. Hell, if he just said "What the #### are you guys doing?" they most likely would have realized they were making a mistake and that would have ended the whole thing.

 

[Orange Crush]

En vino veritas, whatever... Have a couple of thoughts about the emotions that could lead to this...1) Wife KNOWS you aren't going to come check on her. You either are, or she sees you, as inattentive. This is what it is. The fact you didn't check on her probably shows a bit of a boneless streak in you, but that's just based on the fact that most women, even sloshed, would have enough FEAR that their mate would come along (let alone respect) to refrain. Unless they can safely say something like, "He doesn't care."2) Steve knows he's more powerful than you. He gets off on the fact that he can have anything you have. Because of this, if you work things out with your wife, you can never go near him. If this ended in a bathroom free-for-all, it didn't start there. There were eyes and signals being exchanged, you better believe it, so there is nothing innocent or excused here. But this begins and ends with the core of who you are. Either you need to build self confidence and assert yourself to the point where you aren't squarely at the bottom of the pack as far as respect amongst your peers, but you choose friends and your relationships based upon people who don't see themselves as above you. Steve isn't a friend. He lords over you. And your wife knows this about Steve. She digs it. She sees things in your character that are weaker than her ideals. That is only an indictment of you insomuch as you chose her to be a centerpiece in your life. She doesn't seem like the kind of girl who wants to lead a happy, normal, productive life as your peer. She apparently feels she settled and what she really wants she couldn't obtain... So she had to steal it. In my opinion, the damage is done. You need to move on and find a better dynamic. You're at the bottom rung of a ladder you don't even want to climb.

There's a lot of truth to this. Power struggles exist in every relationship. A lot of what MitYH has said shows that he is afraid of confrontation. If this happened to most of the guys here, we wouldn't be at work. We'd be criss-crossing the state to talk to the "friends", with a Louisville Slugger stashed in the trunk.

 

[Homewrecker Steve-O]

George know MIYH too and knows the guy wouldn't fight Steve so why should he? Damn, George did as much as can be expected.

 

[cosjobs]

En vino veritas, whatever... Have a couple of thoughts about the emotions that could lead to this...1) Wife KNOWS you aren't going to come check on her. You either are, or she sees you, as inattentive. This is what it is. The fact you didn't check on her probably shows a bit of a boneless streak in you, but that's just based on the fact that most women, even sloshed, would have enough FEAR that their mate would come along (let alone respect) to refrain. Unless they can safely say something like, "He doesn't care."2) Steve knows he's more powerful than you. He gets off on the fact that he can have anything you have. Because of this, if you work things out with your wife, you can never go near him. If this ended in a bathroom free-for-all, it didn't start there. There were eyes and signals being exchanged, you better believe it, so there is nothing innocent or excused here. But this begins and ends with the core of who you are. Either you need to build self confidence and assert yourself to the point where you aren't squarely at the bottom of the pack as far as respect amongst your peers, but you choose friends and your relationships based upon people who don't see themselves as above you. Steve isn't a friend. He lords over you. And your wife knows this about Steve. She digs it. She sees things in your character that are weaker than her ideals. That is only an indictment of you insomuch as you chose her to be a centerpiece in your life. She doesn't seem like the kind of girl who wants to lead a happy, normal, productive life as your peer. She apparently feels she settled and what she really wants she couldn't obtain... So she had to steal it. In my opinion, the damage is done. You need to move on and find a better dynamic. You're at the bottom rung of a ladder you don't even want to climb.

There is not nearly enough facts to jump to these kinds of conclusions. This incident appears to have occurred spontaneously during a camping expedition where everyone had been drinking heavily. The fact that so many people are jumping to the conclusion that the marriage is over and that he should separate from his wife (and move away from his kids) over something like this speaks to the immaturity of the posters and their inexperience with RL marital issues.

THis kind of rational post doesn't seem to fly here, guy.

 

[General Malaise]

En vino veritas, whatever... Have a couple of thoughts about the emotions that could lead to this...1) Wife KNOWS you aren't going to come check on her. You either are, or she sees you, as inattentive. This is what it is. The fact you didn't check on her probably shows a bit of a boneless streak in you, but that's just based on the fact that most women, even sloshed, would have enough FEAR that their mate would come along (let alone respect) to refrain. Unless they can safely say something like, "He doesn't care."2) Steve knows he's more powerful than you. He gets off on the fact that he can have anything you have. Because of this, if you work things out with your wife, you can never go near him. If this ended in a bathroom free-for-all, it didn't start there. There were eyes and signals being exchanged, you better believe it, so there is nothing innocent or excused here. But this begins and ends with the core of who you are. Either you need to build self confidence and assert yourself to the point where you aren't squarely at the bottom of the pack as far as respect amongst your peers, but you choose friends and your relationships based upon people who don't see themselves as above you. Steve isn't a friend. He lords over you. And your wife knows this about Steve. She digs it. She sees things in your character that are weaker than her ideals. That is only an indictment of you insomuch as you chose her to be a centerpiece in your life. She doesn't seem like the kind of girl who wants to lead a happy, normal, productive life as your peer. She apparently feels she settled and what she really wants she couldn't obtain... So she had to steal it. In my opinion, the damage is done. You need to move on and find a better dynamic. You're at the bottom rung of a ladder you don't even want to climb.

Yikes.

WoW

Ah, so Mr. Ham = Gordon Gecko. Makes perfect sense now.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

:confetti:

 

[tommyGunZ]

En vino veritas, whatever... Have a couple of thoughts about the emotions that could lead to this...1) Wife KNOWS you aren't going to come check on her. You either are, or she sees you, as inattentive. This is what it is. The fact you didn't check on her probably shows a bit of a boneless streak in you, but that's just based on the fact that most women, even sloshed, would have enough FEAR that their mate would come along (let alone respect) to refrain. Unless they can safely say something like, "He doesn't care."2) Steve knows he's more powerful than you. He gets off on the fact that he can have anything you have. Because of this, if you work things out with your wife, you can never go near him. If this ended in a bathroom free-for-all, it didn't start there. There were eyes and signals being exchanged, you better believe it, so there is nothing innocent or excused here. But this begins and ends with the core of who you are. Either you need to build self confidence and assert yourself to the point where you aren't squarely at the bottom of the pack as far as respect amongst your peers, but you choose friends and your relationships based upon people who don't see themselves as above you. Steve isn't a friend. He lords over you. And your wife knows this about Steve. She digs it. She sees things in your character that are weaker than her ideals. That is only an indictment of you insomuch as you chose her to be a centerpiece in your life. She doesn't seem like the kind of girl who wants to lead a happy, normal, productive life as your peer. She apparently feels she settled and what she really wants she couldn't obtain... So she had to steal it. In my opinion, the damage is done. You need to move on and find a better dynamic. You're at the bottom rung of a ladder you don't even want to climb.

While there is probably some merit in this post, it's a ridiculous leap considering you've never met any of the people you're psychoanalyzing. Didn't you just get married two weeks ago? And suddenly you're making extremely judgmental calls on a 10 year relationship?Not your best work Ham.

 

[B-Deep]

George know MIYH too and knows the guy wouldn't fight Steve so why should he? Damn, George did as much as can be expected.

These are all college buddies, no way does Steve throw a punch at George for breaking this up, when Steve's wife is right thereAnd standing up for a another friend is something a good friend does, even if it means taking a shot or twoIf this little monkey cannot show that much loyalty, you are better off without him

 

[pats3in4]

Oh, and MITYH, Don Corleone has a message for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYkxF14YdAw

 

[General Malaise]

I have not heard word on one of the characters in a while. How might Steve's wife help? I thought she was squatting in the urinal at the time of the suggested sausage holding. I don't think MITYH has tried to find out what she knows. She might be a good resource to band up with and try to find out "what did our spouse's do with/to each other?".

I uttered the same thoughts a few times. At this point, I don't think he has much to lose by at least talking to her and getting out in the open what he knows.This woman is either DOWN with what went on, or really doesn't know the extent of how far it went. I don't think it's a bad idea to just talk to her.

 

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En vino veritas, whatever... Have a couple of thoughts about the emotions that could lead to this...1) Wife KNOWS you aren't going to come check on her. You either are, or she sees you, as inattentive. This is what it is. The fact you didn't check on her probably shows a bit of a boneless streak in you, but that's just based on the fact that most women, even sloshed, would have enough FEAR that their mate would come along (let alone respect) to refrain. Unless they can safely say something like, "He doesn't care."2) Steve knows he's more powerful than you. He gets off on the fact that he can have anything you have. Because of this, if you work things out with your wife, you can never go near him. If this ended in a bathroom free-for-all, it didn't start there. There were eyes and signals being exchanged, you better believe it, so there is nothing innocent or excused here. But this begins and ends with the core of who you are. Either you need to build self confidence and assert yourself to the point where you aren't squarely at the bottom of the pack as far as respect amongst your peers, but you choose friends and your relationships based upon people who don't see themselves as above you. Steve isn't a friend. He lords over you. And your wife knows this about Steve. She digs it. She sees things in your character that are weaker than her ideals. That is only an indictment of you insomuch as you chose her to be a centerpiece in your life. She doesn't seem like the kind of girl who wants to lead a happy, normal, productive life as your peer. She apparently feels she settled and what she really wants she couldn't obtain... So she had to steal it. In my opinion, the damage is done. You need to move on and find a better dynamic. You're at the bottom rung of a ladder you don't even want to climb.

Mr Ham = Gordon Gekko ?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

I have not heard word on one of the characters in a while. How might Steve's wife help? I thought she was squatting in the urinal at the time of the suggested sausage holding. I don't think MITYH has tried to find out what she knows. She might be a good resource to band up with and try to find out "what did our spouse's do with/to each other?".

The issue is she might not care if her Husband was getting a little something on the side.........

Well, she's interesting. She's kind of a wild one. I've never, ever seen her do anything with another guy. However, in past camping excursions, I've seen her damn near give Steve oral in a room full of people. She was also quite drunk. So, she either didn't actually know what was going on, or just played it off as funny. She's not exactly the sharepest tool in the shed, I'll say that. Hot, but not exactly smart (36 D btw).From what guy #3 had to say, it appears that both George and Steve's wife were back at camp long before anything really bad could've happened.

 

[code]

Ah, so Mr. Ham = Gordon Gecko. Makes perfect sense now.

 

[Daywalker]

You should go all LA Confidential on her. Tell her you had it out with Steve and he said the of you two were joking around and you grabbed his junk in front of everyone while he was peeing and that he also rubbed her chest for a second. Tell her you could see how that happened but that you're more hurt that she is bsing you by pretending she doesn't remember anything. Once she cops to these friendlier details you pounce.

 

[tommyGunZ]

En vino veritas, whatever... Have a couple of thoughts about the emotions that could lead to this...1) Wife KNOWS you aren't going to come check on her. You either are, or she sees you, as inattentive. This is what it is. The fact you didn't check on her probably shows a bit of a boneless streak in you, but that's just based on the fact that most women, even sloshed, would have enough FEAR that their mate would come along (let alone respect) to refrain. Unless they can safely say something like, "He doesn't care."2) Steve knows he's more powerful than you. He gets off on the fact that he can have anything you have. Because of this, if you work things out with your wife, you can never go near him. If this ended in a bathroom free-for-all, it didn't start there. There were eyes and signals being exchanged, you better believe it, so there is nothing innocent or excused here. But this begins and ends with the core of who you are. Either you need to build self confidence and assert yourself to the point where you aren't squarely at the bottom of the pack as far as respect amongst your peers, but you choose friends and your relationships based upon people who don't see themselves as above you. Steve isn't a friend. He lords over you. And your wife knows this about Steve. She digs it. She sees things in your character that are weaker than her ideals. That is only an indictment of you insomuch as you chose her to be a centerpiece in your life. She doesn't seem like the kind of girl who wants to lead a happy, normal, productive life as your peer. She apparently feels she settled and what she really wants she couldn't obtain... So she had to steal it. In my opinion, the damage is done. You need to move on and find a better dynamic. You're at the bottom rung of a ladder you don't even want to climb.

While there is probably some merit in this post, it's a ridiculous leap considering you've never met any of the people you're psychoanalyzing. Didn't you just get married two weeks ago? And suddenly you're making extremely judgmental calls on a 10 year relationship?Not your best work Ham.

Let's take the kid gloves off. I'm not trying to speak high from some hill... If this happened to me, I'd want to get a cold bucket of water dropped on me if it meant I could get some clarity. And I'd rather assume and consider the worst and peel back from there. No good is going to come in the long run from rationalizing or diminishing any of this. Hopefully what I'm writing here doesn't apply as "on the nose" as I'm suggesting it may as an outsider. I admitted that my read, in lieu of knowing the people involved, may be totally off... But the OP is a big boy. It may hurt to hear some of this, but let's not pretend he's not at a crossroads.

Fair enough. My initial knee-jerk reaction is that if I ever, ever, EVER thought that my wife even entertained the thoughts of an episode like this, I'd be finished. But I've only been married for 2 years and don't have the investment that MITYH has in his marriage. With multiple children and 10 years invested, my thought process would undoubtedly be altered, so it's difficult to be judgmental. The whole "walk a mile in his shoes" thing.

 

[Neo]

I have not heard word on one of the characters in a while. How might Steve's wife help? I thought she was squatting in the urinal at the time of the suggested sausage holding. I don't think MITYH has tried to find out what she knows. She might be a good resource to band up with and try to find out "what did our spouse's do with/to each other?".

The issue is she might not care if her Husband was getting a little something on the side.........

Well, she's interesting. She's kind of a wild one. I've never, ever seen her do anything with another guy. However, in past camping excursions, I've seen her damn near give Steve oral in a room full of people. She was also quite drunk. So, she either didn't actually know what was going on, or just played it off as funny. She's not exactly the sharepest tool in the shed, I'll say that. Hot, but not exactly smart (36 D btw).From what guy #3 had to say, it appears that both George and Steve's wife were back at camp long before anything really bad could've happened.

Jeez, this crew needs to quit camping and drinking together.....what a train wreck.

 

[(HULK)]

Is any woman on this camping trip not a D cup?

 

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So bad it's the funniest thing I've ever seen, somehow.

 

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LMAOI can't stop laughing at this

 

[SuperJohn96]

I have nothing to add, but I think i should get a prize for making it to the end of the thread

at least a ribbon or a cookie or something

hey

 

[chet]

I'd like all those pushing divorce as the only option to say how long they've been married if at all.

Not to pick on Mr. Ham, but didn't he get married last month? There's a BIG difference between a "starter" marriage and one with years and kids involved IMO. I wouldn't be rushing out to get divorced just yet.

 

[Emerson Biggens]

En vino veritas, whatever... Have a couple of thoughts about the emotions that could lead to this...

1) Wife KNOWS you aren't going to come check on her. You either are, or she sees you, as inattentive. This is what it is. The fact you didn't check on her probably shows a bit of a boneless streak in you, but that's just based on the fact that most women, even sloshed, would have enough FEAR that their mate would come along (let alone respect) to refrain. Unless they can safely say something like, "He doesn't care."

2) Steve knows he's more powerful than you. He gets off on the fact that he can have anything you have. Because of this, if you work things out with your wife, you can never go near him. If this ended in a bathroom free-for-all, it didn't start there. There were eyes and signals being exchanged, you better believe it, so there is nothing innocent or excused here. But this begins and ends with the core of who you are. Either you need to build self confidence and assert yourself to the point where you aren't squarely at the bottom of the pack as far as respect amongst your peers, but you choose friends and your relationships based upon people who don't see themselves as above you. Steve isn't a friend. He lords over you. And your wife knows this about Steve. She digs it. She sees things in your character that are weaker than her ideals. That is only an indictment of you insomuch as you chose her to be a centerpiece in your life. She doesn't seem like the kind of girl who wants to lead a happy, normal, productive life as your peer. She apparently feels she settled and what she really wants she couldn't obtain... So she had to steal it.

In my opinion, the damage is done. You need to move on and find a better dynamic. You're at the bottom rung of a ladder you don't even want to climb.

There is not nearly enough facts to jump to these kinds of conclusions. This incident appears to have occurred spontaneously during a camping expedition where everyone had been drinking heavily. The fact that so many people are jumping to the conclusion that the marriage is over and that he should separate from his wife (and move away from his kids) over something like this speaks to the immaturity of the posters and their inexperience with RL marital issues.

THis kind of rational post doesn't seem to fly here, guy.

It's called ADULTERY! How is it that irrational to say that a marriage should be over because of it? Where he and his wife are right now is that they've established that she held another guys unit in her hand and then was unaccounted for the next 15-30 minutes. That's already out there. What else she knows and is not telling him hasn't even been established. Where they are now is already adultery and grounds for divorce to me, and I've been married for 14 years and have 4 kids. If my wife did that, bye-bye. How you can just blow that off is beyond me, are you saying that you'd stay with your wife if she did that? Not me.

 

[(HULK)]

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Nice try, but it was added to the FFAMI about 1,000 posts ago.

 

[SecondCity34]

Is any woman on this camping trip not a D cup?

Seriously.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Summary?