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Mark Ingram, RB, New Orleans Saints (1 Viewer)

Pierre Thomas' goal line TD is actually a blessing for those who draft Ingram late in the draft. It's scaring off owners who were thinking of drafting him. Hey, he's one of a few with gigantic upside (F Jones, Hightower, maybe Wells). If we don't have 2 top tier RB's early then I will look to take Ingram as our #2 back in hopes of him producing RB #1 like numbers. It's worth the gamble.

 
Hey, [ingram is] one of a few with gigantic upside (F Jones, Hightower, maybe Wells). If we don't have 2 top tier RB's early then I will look to take Ingram as our #2 back in hopes of him producing RB #1 like numbers. It's worth the gamble.
This thread really hits home. Longtime live $$ league just went to PPR -- I picked 11 out of 12, and went Nicks/Fitzgerald at the 1/2 turn. I was targetting Felix Jones coming back at pick #35 overall (3.11), but got sniped.Result: I ended up, at 3.11, taking Mark Ingram as my fantasy RB1. I also got Hightower and Wells later. So in essence, I have no pre-season #1 FFB RB. Depending on at least Ingram, or maybe one of the others, to break out.
 
I wouldnt count on him being there in the 4th/5th. He went middle of the 3rd in my 12 team on Saturday and 2-3 other guys said they were taking him next.
I got him at 5.12. I don't think the value is there in the 2nd-3rd. Would rather take guys with higher floors at that point.
same, well 5.11, for me
I dont disagree, just saying to the guys that are hoping to get him in the 5th he might not be there.
 
In a 2 man keeper league, so a lot of RBs are kept or gone early...was banking on Felix in third, he got taken two picks before me. Went Moreno in third, and got Ingram on way back in fourth then Wells in fifth. I have CJ so one of those three is my RB2, or if the hold out goes through season, 2 of 3 are my starters. Nervous as hell, but confident for one or two to really breakout.

 
Very small sample size, but Ingram is only averaging 2.9ypc this preseason.Not very exciting. He has the potential to be a TD machine, but tonight may have shown that this may not be the complete truth either (rotation at goalline)A situation to monitor for sure.
Exactly. Ingram hasn't played a real down in the NFL yet. Talent, blah blah, etc. Pierre has done it already and done it well on a PPG basis. Ingram's got a long way to go at this point.
This sounds like sour grapes to me.
Nope just too early to annoint him in redrafts.
Anoint him what? A 5th round pick? Are you suggesting don't look at any rookies?
 
I agree with Hucks. Imagine that. I'm not feeling the hype for Ingram. He may be pretty good for a rookie RB but he's not going to be top 15 for fantasy. People can talk all they want but the Saints have 4 starting caliber RB's. I just don't see them going overboard with Ingram because they don't have to.
Not until Ivory comes off the PUP list. And he will be on it to open the season. Don't think he factors much into 2011.
PT has never been able to carry the load for a full season, Sproles hasn't either and Ingram is a rookie. I think it would be safer to say they have two guys that can do great spot duty, a guy on the PUP and a guy who has never played in the NFL. Even if someone traded up to get him, doesn't mean he can handle the pro game. The Saints may think so, but he still has to do it. The Bills didn't trade up to get Spiller, but took him 9th overall. How did that turn out? Look at a guy like Cedric Benson. He was terrible early on compared to draft position. He looks good now, but initially he sucked. The Saint's have some guys who have filled in for the starter fairly well, but never done it for 16 games.
Your goin to compare Benson to Ingram, geez that is wrong. :football:
Why? Benson has a lot more hype around him than Ingram. Ingram was drafted late in the 1st round, Benson was drafted top 5. Benson looked horrible as a Bear, but has salvaged his career in Cinci. There's no guarantee that Ingram is going to be a stud. I would say there were a lot more on the Benson bandwagon his rookie season than there are on the Ingram train.People realize that the NFL has been around for more than 365 days, right?

 
Why? Benson has a lot more hype around him than Ingram. Ingram was drafted late in the 1st round, Benson was drafted top 5. Benson looked horrible as a Bear, but has salvaged his career in Cinci. There's no guarantee that Ingram is going to be a stud. I would say there were a lot more on the Benson bandwagon his rookie season than there are on the Ingram train.
Benson's and Ingram's situations are not comparable.1) Benson went to a worse team with much worse QB play (both Orton and Grossman has a QB rating of 59.7 in 2005) than the current Saints.2) There was a productive former #1 RB, coming off of a 1300-yfs season, in Benson's way (viz Thomas Jones)3) 1st year coach Lovie Smith rebuilt the Bears through defense -- the purpose of his offense was simply not to turn the ball over and give his defenses a blow. This will be Sean Payton's sixth season in New Orleans, and his philosophy is to strike fast and often with his offensive weaponry.4) Cedric Benson was a knucklehead coming into the league, and got on Smith's bad side in a hurry. Ingram, on the other hand, fully participated in the Brees-run mini-camp and has been a model citizen thus far in camp.
 
"RB Saints" is a fantasy football factory, provided the RB stays healthy. Bush had a bunch of fantasy-worthy stretches, as did Thomas, as did Ivory (though in a different situation). Even when splitting, Thomas has always been a solid enough play as a No. 2 RB provided he's not hurt or ineffective (as he was last year). Look at the Super Bowl year, for example. The Saints lead rusher was usually pretty obvious, even though it indeed was a RBBC.I'm listing total touches based on who was the guy thought to be the lead dog entering any given game.Week 1 - Bell - 28-143 (Thomas out, Bush the COP)Week 2 - Bell 18-95-1(Thomas out, Bush COP)Week 3 - Thomas 14-126-2 (Bell hurt, Bush COP)Week 4 - Thomas 23-132-1 (Bell out, Bush COP)Week 5 - Thomas 15-72 (Bell back, Bush healthy)Week 6 - Thomas 9-44 (All healthy, Saints in comeback mode)Week 7 - Thomas 16-100-2 (all healthy Wk 14)Week 8 - Thomas 18-81-1 Week 9 - Thomas 12-42Week 10 - Thomas 14-103-0Week 11 - Thomas 14-87-1Week 12 - Thomas 14-82Week 13 - Thomas - 19-100Week 14 - Thomas 11-70 (Bush got hurt during the game)Week 15 - Thomas 6-60-1 (played about a quarter before getting hurt; he'd have been the guy starting going in if you played anyone. Bush was out.)Week 16 - Bell 17-28 (Week 17 scrub-fest with playoff position clinched)There are some clunkers, sure. But even when Payton was using the full blown "committee" from week 5-13, Thomas was still a guy that averaged double figure fantasy points. Mike Bell was completely ineffective after week 2 that year - he averaged over 4 a carry once the rest of the year ... and six times got less than 3 ypc ... and still got double-digit carries to lead the team. When Payton had Deuce, he got 270 touches in 15 games. He tried to trade up to get Beanie Wells, gushed about Bell all preseason, and now trades up to get Ingram. Even his developmental guys like Ivory and before him Lynell Hamilton, projected more as bruisers, power backs.Call it whatever you will, but Payton is obviously a guy that highly values having a powerful RB that can move the chains and convert short yardage. He really seems to favor those whenever he has them, which goes counter to what you'd think as his offenses are thought of as finesse and pass happy. If Ingram can add value in the receiving game ... and to be fair, I don't know if that's in the cards right now ... he has a chance to get a 'lot' of work.Maybe Sean Payton is a true RBBC guy, who wants to split right down the middle, maybe not. He's never had a clear cut top rusher. With Deuce, they had just drafted Bush, so both were going to get work. With Thomas/Bush et al, neither were sturdy enough to take 20 carries a game. But personally, I'd be surprised if, by midseason, Thomas is getting near equal work. I don't think they make that kind of trade up if they didn't think they'd get a significant return.
:goodposting:You could also look at that 6 game stretch at the end of 2008 where PT was the clear cut best healthy back available. He got the lions share of touches, almost to the tune of 25 per game. If Payton truly feels that Ingram is head and shoulders above PT and Ivory, he could live up to everyone's expectations. I'm hedging my bets though and looking to buy low on Ingram after he doesn't live up to somebodies 3rd round reach after the first 1/4 season.
 
Why? Benson has a lot more hype around him than Ingram. Ingram was drafted late in the 1st round, Benson was drafted top 5. Benson looked horrible as a Bear, but has salvaged his career in Cinci. There's no guarantee that Ingram is going to be a stud. I would say there were a lot more on the Benson bandwagon his rookie season than there are on the Ingram train.
Benson's and Ingram's situations are not comparable.1) Benson went to a worse team with much worse QB play (both Orton and Grossman has a QB rating of 59.7 in 2005) than the current Saints.
So? Orton, Brees, Grossman aren't blocking for the guy. What does having a stud QB have to do with a great running game? Lots of RB's have great seasons despite poor QB play, in fact, it might benefit them as they are relied upon more.
2) There was a productive former #1 RB, coming off of a 1300-yfs season, in Benson's way (viz Thomas Jones)
I'll give you that, but even after TJ left, Benson did nothing in chicago. So the notion that TJ held him back, only really works initially.
3) 1st year coach Lovie Smith rebuilt the Bears through defense -- the purpose of his offense was simply not to turn the ball over and give his defenses a blow. This will be Sean Payton's sixth season in New Orleans, and his philosophy is to strike fast and often with his offensive weaponry.
Again, so? Lovie was building around D as well as a power running game. Payton is an offensive minded coach, but he's also an offensive minded coach who likes to pass, and with Drew Brees, why wouldn't he? Again, I'm not sure this philosophy has any impact on the RB either way.
4) Cedric Benson was a knucklehead coming into the league, and got on Smith's bad side in a hurry. Ingram, on the other hand, fully participated in the Brees-run mini-camp and has been a model citizen thus far in camp.
I agree with this. He was a knucklehead and TJ owned the lockerroom. All that being said, Ingram still has to do it on the field. I think he can, but I also thought Benson could. I was right on Benson, just not very patient.
 
Fanatic -- if you think none of the stuff I mentioned is relevant, your argument boils down to "rookie RBs often disappoint". While I agree with that take in general, I still think it's useful to evaluate each situation individually. Breakouts can't be predicted with 100% certainty, of course ... but I think we can learn enough to do better than blind chance.
 
Why? Benson has a lot more hype around him than Ingram. Ingram was drafted late in the 1st round, Benson was drafted top 5. Benson looked horrible as a Bear, but has salvaged his career in Cinci. There's no guarantee that Ingram is going to be a stud. I would say there were a lot more on the Benson bandwagon his rookie season than there are on the Ingram train.
Benson's and Ingram's situations are not comparable.1) Benson went to a worse team with much worse QB play (both Orton and Grossman has a QB rating of 59.7 in 2005) than the current Saints.2) There was a productive former #1 RB, coming off of a 1300-yfs season, in Benson's way (viz Thomas Jones)3) 1st year coach Lovie Smith rebuilt the Bears through defense -- the purpose of his offense was simply not to turn the ball over and give his defenses a blow. This will be Sean Payton's sixth season in New Orleans, and his philosophy is to strike fast and often with his offensive weaponry.4) Cedric Benson was a knucklehead coming into the league, and got on Smith's bad side in a hurry. Ingram, on the other hand, fully participated in the Brees-run mini-camp and has been a model citizen thus far in camp.
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Why? Benson has a lot more hype around him than Ingram. Ingram was drafted late in the 1st round, Benson was drafted top 5. Benson looked horrible as a Bear, but has salvaged his career in Cinci. There's no guarantee that Ingram is going to be a stud. I would say there were a lot more on the Benson bandwagon his rookie season than there are on the Ingram train.
Benson's and Ingram's situations are not comparable.1) Benson went to a worse team with much worse QB play (both Orton and Grossman has a QB rating of 59.7 in 2005) than the current Saints.
So? Orton, Brees, Grossman aren't blocking for the guy. What does having a stud QB have to do with a great running game? Lots of RB's have great seasons despite poor QB play, in fact, it might benefit them as they are relied upon more.
2) There was a productive former #1 RB, coming off of a 1300-yfs season, in Benson's way (viz Thomas Jones)
I'll give you that, but even after TJ left, Benson did nothing in chicago. So the notion that TJ held him back, only really works initially.
3) 1st year coach Lovie Smith rebuilt the Bears through defense -- the purpose of his offense was simply not to turn the ball over and give his defenses a blow. This will be Sean Payton's sixth season in New Orleans, and his philosophy is to strike fast and often with his offensive weaponry.
Again, so? Lovie was building around D as well as a power running game. Payton is an offensive minded coach, but he's also an offensive minded coach who likes to pass, and with Drew Brees, why wouldn't he? Again, I'm not sure this philosophy has any impact on the RB either way.
4) Cedric Benson was a knucklehead coming into the league, and got on Smith's bad side in a hurry. Ingram, on the other hand, fully participated in the Brees-run mini-camp and has been a model citizen thus far in camp.
I agree with this. He was a knucklehead and TJ owned the lockerroom. All that being said, Ingram still has to do it on the field. I think he can, but I also thought Benson could. I was right on Benson, just not very patient.
What do you mean what does the qb have to do with it, are you serious??? Better qb means more first downs , no 8 in the box and more opportunities to score. If you have a crap qb and don't get much opportunity because you are going 3 and out, you don't think that makes a difference compared to a HIGH POWERED saints offense who seems to get down to the Goalline Every game more then once.... What is your point??? there are several reasons how a Qb can impact a rb.... Don't be stupid
 
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Right now, according to AntSports, Ingram is on average the 21st RB off the board.Look at what Thomas did his 2 years as the lead back in their RBBC

2008: Pierre Thomas finished as the 21st RB in standard scoring

2009: Pierre Thomas finished as the 20th RB in standard scoring

So, I think Ingram is going at about the right spot. The Saints must see something special for them to take him in the first round. It seems safe to assume that the Saints view him as more talented than Thomas was in 08-09. It seems like if given just the small role that Thomas got those years, that Ingram should fall right around where he is being drafted: a lower end #2 RB or good flex option. However, there is the chance that Ingram gets more touches then Pierre did those years. Pierre had 160 touches in 08 and 186 in 09. Also, there is a chance that Ingram just is the superior talent and can do more with his opportunities than Thomas could. Really, the only way he is a bad pick is if he gets hurt.

 
I took him as my RB#2 at 4.11 last night... 12 man, non-ppr, traditional scoring, start one flex player...

I have 7 RB's total on my team... "shotgun approach"... just hoping to get two starters..

J.Charles

M.Ingram

B.Wells

B.Jacobs

M.Bush

L.Stehpens-Howling

S.Vereen

 
I took him as my RB#2 at 4.11 last night... 12 man, non-ppr, traditional scoring, start one flex player...I have 7 RB's total on my team... "shotgun approach"... just hoping to get two starters..J.CharlesM.IngramB.WellsB.JacobsM.BushL.Stehpens-HowlingS.Vereen
I went with J.Charles, J. Best, M. Ingram, W. Mcgahee.... We can start 2/2/1 flex.... wrs are Mike Wallace, AJ GREEN, JULIO, JACOBY FORD. PPR...BREES and J. Graham round out qb/te. I think thats A competitive line up for a 12 team ppr
 
His ADP is 5.03 and he fell to you at 5.01?
I'd stay 5.01 is a steal at this point in the preseason. The secret is out on the kid. I'm sick of Rotoworld showering praise on him all the time. It's killing any value you can get for him.
Mark Ingram rushed six times for seven yards and a touchdown and added two receptions for 24 yards against the Raiders in the third preseason game.

Ingram and Darren Sproles played the first series, Pierre Thomas came on with Sproles for the second series, and Ingram came back for the third before Drew Brees was pulled. Ingram showed impressive RAC ability on a third-and-long screen pass that picked up a first down. Both Ingram and Thomas scored 1-yard touchdowns, though by all accounts Ingram will be the primary red-zone back. A tough runner with excellent vision and the ability to shoot through small holes, Ingram is a darkhorse candidate to lead the NFL in TDs as a rookie.
I know it's preseason, but 6 rushes for 7 yards isn't all that impressive either for someone everyone says is head and shoulders better than pierre thomas...
 
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caplannfl Adam Caplan Saints placed RB Chris Ivory on IR. that should mean that Joique Bell makes the Saints roster.
Ivory is recovering from both Lisfranc surgery and a sports hernia. He was eligible for the PUP list after not practicing in August, so it can't be a good sign that the Saints moved to end Ivory's season when they could've reevaluated after a couple of months.
 
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Got Ingram in the early 5th in my draft. I was able to snag Felix in the 3rd and DeAngelo in the 7th so hopefully 1 emerges as my RB1, if not 2 of those guys by midseason.

 
caplannfl Adam Caplan Saints placed RB Chris Ivory on IR. that should mean that Joique Bell makes the Saints roster.
Ivory is recovering from both Lisfranc surgery and a sports hernia. He was eligible for the PUP list after not practicing in August, so it can't be a good sign that the Saints moved to end Ivory's season when they could've reevaluated after a couple of months.
:confused:Are you in the right thread? How is this not a good sign for Ingram?Side note, Joique Bell has looked good and I feel like he's the reason why they went this route. Also, Bell is not the type of RB that will be stealing carries from Ingram.
 

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