Mark Ingram (2 Viewers)

[Short Corner]

As always, it comes down to your choices. In Ingram's last five healthy games (I'm tossing out the Atlanta game because he was just coming back from injury and was barely used) he's averaged 11.84 points in PPR leagues. That would make him RB23 for the season and ahead of RBs such as McGahee, Mendenhall, Benson, Greene and Blount.

Sweet cherry pick!

Thanks. It was intentional so I'm glad you noticed. The point is Ingram's not the bum he's often portrayed as being in this thread. For over a month now he's performed at a low-end RB2 level (or a solid RB3 level as I've been saying). He's clearly been startable for some time now.

You do realize that 4 of the 5 guys you mention outperform him given the same criteria, right? Helu, Bushx2, KSmith, Morris, Stewart, etc.

Again, my point wasn't to say where Ingram should be ranked. My point was he's been putting up decent production for a good period of time. I'm not saying you should start Ingram over McGahee, Gore or Mendenhall. What I am saying is his production isn't near as bad as some in this forum make it out to be. He's been very viable as a RB3 for nearly two months now.

No, you literally said that he is ahead of McGahee, Mendenhall, Benson, Greene and Blount, when he actually only outscores Blount under the same criteria. He has probably had the easiest schedule in the games you picked. Three of the four worst and 4 of the eight worst FP/G defenses and he still manages pedestrian numbers.

 

[packersfan]

No, you literally said that he is ahead of McGahee, Mendenhall, Benson, Greene and Blount, when he actually only outscores Blount under the same criteria.

No, I said his production over the specified period of time would rank him ahead of the RBs listed based on their season averages in PPR leagues. Again, my point wasn't to say Ingram should be ranked and/or started ahead of any of them. My point was his production hasn't been as bad as some in this forum insist is the case.

 

[werdnoynek]

Multiple Scores has finally crossed over into LHUCKS territory. Trying to make the thread about him and seeing how many times he can say "turd."Seems fine to argue logically about what a disappointment Ingram has been and how he knew it all along with his superior talent evaluation skills. It's another thing to reinforce every day what a doosh-bag you are in doing so.

 

[karmarooster]

Multiple Scores has finally crossed over into LHUCKS territory. Trying to make the thread about him and seeing how many times he can say "turd."Seems fine to argue logically about what a disappointment Ingram has been and how he knew it all along with his superior talent evaluation skills. It's another thing to reinforce every day what a doosh-bag you are in doing so.

LHUCKS may be equally misguided, but he's nowhere near as malicious.

Malicious? I think i'm one of the few in this thread with a grip on reality and not blinded by owning this turd. Sproles 6.8 ypcThomas 5.0 ypcIngram 3.9 ypc3.9 is a horrible ypc, and when you look at what other backs on the same team with the same line are putting up it's downright awful. I'm grounded in reality, the guy is not that good. This thread started off saying he's headed straight to the HOF, next it was a game of chicken to cherry pick a half way descent week, now he has a half way descent week, still under 4ypc and he's going to be Ray Rice? Sorry if you think i'm malicious, I really think i'm just grounded in reality and Ingram owners can't deal with reality.

The only reality that is relevant is the production of fantasy points! My league doesn't award or deduct points for YPC. The year that Matt Forte led all RBs in fantasy points with a similar 3.9 YPC didn't make him worthless. You say that Igram is bad, and maybe he is, but in the last two weeks he's scored 28.8 points. Deal with it. You are malicious when you come in here and say:

Anyone else looking forward to bumping this tomorrow night? I can see the optimism turning to rage quickly. I'm rooting for my boy Jed to "steal" ingrams "earned" goalline TD.

It is malicious because you are hoping to delight in others' would-be failures: that of Ingram and any fantasy owner who starts him. Yet when he does not fail to put up fantasy points, you continue to come in here. Just GFTO, K? If you don't own him, then why is any of this relevant to you? Are you some sort of anti-Ingram evangelical, hoping to convert the gentiles over to your way?ETA - you are actually the one being blinded by your hatred of Ingram - even "bad" players, assuming he is objectively bad, can put up good fantasy numbers.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Malicious? I think i'm one of the few in this thread with a grip on reality and not blinded by owning this turd. Sproles 6.8 ypcThomas 5.0 ypcIngram 3.9 ypc3.9 is a horrible ypc, and when you look at what other backs on the same team with the same line are putting up it's downright awful. I'm grounded in reality, the guy is not that good. This thread started off saying he's headed straight to the HOF, next it was a game of chicken to cherry pick a half way descent week, now he has a half way descent week, still under 4ypc and he's going to be Ray Rice? Sorry if you think i'm malicious, I really think i'm just grounded in reality and Ingram owners can't deal with reality.

Once again you need to watch the way they are using him - if Pierre Thomas or Darren Sproles were running every play up the gut with 5 minutes left in the game I am pretty sure their YPC would be low as well.Sproles gets everything on a toss.Thomas does not close out games.Watch Ingram and the way he runs - it is clear to me that the kid has talent but is in a horrible situation fantasy wise. On any other team he would have a more versatile role and the funny part about this whole situation is every fantasy expert out there thought New Orleans was the perfect spot for this kid.In real life terms Mark Ingram is doing everything and more the Saints want him to, furthermore if they ever do need to rely on him as an everything back I am sure they wouldn't blink twice.

 

[CalBear]

Multiple Scores has finally crossed over into LHUCKS territory. Trying to make the thread about him and seeing how many times he can say "turd."Seems fine to argue logically about what a disappointment Ingram has been and how he knew it all along with his superior talent evaluation skills. It's another thing to reinforce every day what a doosh-bag you are in doing so.

LHUCKS may be equally misguided, but he's nowhere near as malicious.

Malicious? I think i'm one of the few in this thread with a grip on reality and not blinded by owning this turd. Sproles 6.8 ypcThomas 5.0 ypcIngram 3.9 ypc3.9 is a horrible ypc, and when you look at what other backs on the same team with the same line are putting up it's downright awful. I'm grounded in reality, the guy is not that good. This thread started off saying he's headed straight to the HOF, next it was a game of chicken to cherry pick a half way descent week, now he has a half way descent week, still under 4ypc and he's going to be Ray Rice? Sorry if you think i'm malicious, I really think i'm just grounded in reality and Ingram owners can't deal with reality.

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his rookie season.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Multiple Scores has finally crossed over into LHUCKS territory. Trying to make the thread about him and seeing how many times he can say "turd."Seems fine to argue logically about what a disappointment Ingram has been and how he knew it all along with his superior talent evaluation skills. It's another thing to reinforce every day what a doosh-bag you are in doing so.

LHUCKS may be equally misguided, but he's nowhere near as malicious.

Malicious? I think i'm one of the few in this thread with a grip on reality and not blinded by owning this turd. Sproles 6.8 ypcThomas 5.0 ypcIngram 3.9 ypc3.9 is a horrible ypc, and when you look at what other backs on the same team with the same line are putting up it's downright awful. I'm grounded in reality, the guy is not that good. This thread started off saying he's headed straight to the HOF, next it was a game of chicken to cherry pick a half way descent week, now he has a half way descent week, still under 4ypc and he's going to be Ray Rice? Sorry if you think i'm malicious, I really think i'm just grounded in reality and Ingram owners can't deal with reality.

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his rookie season.

Only one other player had over 50 carries - Terrell Fletcher and he also averaged 3.6 YPC that season.

 

[CalBear]

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his rookie season.

Only one other player had over 50 carries - Terrell Fletcher and he also averaged 3.6 YPC that season.

And you think Terrell Fletcher (career 3.6 ypc) is similar in quality to Darren Sproles (career 5.1 ypc) and Pierre Thomas (career 4.8 ypc)?

 

[cvnpoka]

oh cmon ingram>>>>jacobs

Jacobs is starting..Ingram is behind Sproles, Pierre and Jed Collins

jacobs isnt starting and was horrid when he was.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his rookie season.

Only one other player had over 50 carries - Terrell Fletcher and he also averaged 3.6 YPC that season.

And you think Terrell Fletcher (career 3.6 ypc) is similar in quality to Darren Sproles (career 5.1 ypc) and Pierre Thomas (career 4.8 ypc)?

All you can do is compare the RBs that are playing for those teams at that time. You picked a guy(LT) out of a hat to compare to Ingram just based on a poor YPC. Well looks like most weren't rushing well in SD that year. However, career RBBC guys are out producing Ingram. Denial can be a lonely place...

 

[CalBear]

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his rookie season.

Only one other player had over 50 carries - Terrell Fletcher and he also averaged 3.6 YPC that season.

And you think Terrell Fletcher (career 3.6 ypc) is similar in quality to Darren Sproles (career 5.1 ypc) and Pierre Thomas (career 4.8 ypc)?

All you can do is compare the RBs that are playing for those teams at that time. You picked a guy(LT) out of a hat to compare to Ingram just based on a poor YPC. Well looks like most weren't rushing well in SD that year. However, career RBBC guys are out producing Ingram. Denial can be a lonely place...

"Career RBBC guys" are doing what scat backs and COP backs in RBBCs do; getting high YPC in spot duty. That's what their role is. Darren Sproles had significantly better YPC than Tomlinson over his entire career in San Diego; does that mean Tomlinson is a turd? No, it means Tomlinson had a different role in the offense. Did Herschel Walker perform better than Emmitt Smith?

 

[GridironMenace]

Multiple Scores has finally crossed over into LHUCKS territory. Trying to make the thread about him and seeing how many times he can say "turd."Seems fine to argue logically about what a disappointment Ingram has been and how he knew it all along with his superior talent evaluation skills. It's another thing to reinforce every day what a doosh-bag you are in doing so.

LHUCKS may be equally misguided, but he's nowhere near as malicious.

Malicious? I think i'm one of the few in this thread with a grip on reality and not blinded by owning this turd. Sproles 6.8 ypcThomas 5.0 ypcIngram 3.9 ypc3.9 is a horrible ypc, and when you look at what other backs on the same team with the same line are putting up it's downright awful. I'm grounded in reality, the guy is not that good. This thread started off saying he's headed straight to the HOF, next it was a game of chicken to cherry pick a half way descent week, now he has a half way descent week, still under 4ypc and he's going to be Ray Rice? Sorry if you think i'm malicious, I really think i'm just grounded in reality and Ingram owners can't deal with reality.

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his rookie season.

On a 5-11 team with a brutal OLine. Ingram is averaging a similarly poor YPC on one of the best teams in the league, with an elite OLine, along with a stud QB that teams can't possibly put 8 men in the box. Just sayin'.However, to play devils advocate against myself, the fact that Ingram is used as a closer to run up the gut, in game-closing situations, is a great reason (*cough* excuse) for his low YPC. In all seriousness though, while Ingram hasn't shown the explosiveness that I would like to see from a franchise back, he would absolutely do more if given the opportunity, just like Pierre Thomas would do more if given the opportunity. The landing-spot on the Saints is a great gig, if they let Thomas and Ivory go next season. If the Saints would split the carries between Ingram and Sproles they would have a more efficient and explosive offense (if that can be believed).

 

[CalBear]

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his rookie season.

On a 5-11 team with a brutal OLine. Ingram is averaging a similarly poor YPC on one of the best teams in the league, with an elite OLine, along with a stud QB that teams can't possibly put 8 men in the box. Just sayin'.However, to play devils advocate against myself, the fact that Ingram is used as a closer to run up the gut, in game-closing situations, is a great reason (*cough* excuse) for his low YPC.

Here are some backs who averaged less than 4.0 ypc their rookie years (since 1990):Marshawn LynchWillis McGaheeMatt ForteMarion BarberEmmitt SmthTiki BarberCharlie GarnerReggie BushRicky WilliamsTravis HenryThomas JonesJahvid BestTim HightowerI think it's safe to say that averaging less than 4.0 ypc is not unusual for quality rookie RBs.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his rookie season.

On a 5-11 team with a brutal OLine. Ingram is averaging a similarly poor YPC on one of the best teams in the league, with an elite OLine, along with a stud QB that teams can't possibly put 8 men in the box. Just sayin'.However, to play devils advocate against myself, the fact that Ingram is used as a closer to run up the gut, in game-closing situations, is a great reason (*cough* excuse) for his low YPC.

Here are some backs who averaged less than 4.0 ypc their rookie years (since 1990):Marshawn LynchWillis McGaheeMatt ForteMarion BarberEmmitt SmthTiki BarberCharlie GarnerReggie BushRicky WilliamsTravis HenryThomas JonesJahvid BestTim HightowerI think it's safe to say that averaging less than 4.0 ypc is not unusual for quality rookie RBs.

And Emmitt Smith coming at 3.9:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitEm00.htm

 

[GridironMenace]

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his rookie season.

On a 5-11 team with a brutal OLine. Ingram is averaging a similarly poor YPC on one of the best teams in the league, with an elite OLine, along with a stud QB that teams can't possibly put 8 men in the box. Just sayin'.However, to play devils advocate against myself, the fact that Ingram is used as a closer to run up the gut, in game-closing situations, is a great reason (*cough* excuse) for his low YPC.

Here are some backs who averaged less than 4.0 ypc their rookie years (since 1990):Marshawn LynchWillis McGaheeMatt ForteMarion BarberEmmitt SmthTiki BarberCharlie GarnerReggie BushRicky WilliamsTravis HenryThomas JonesJahvid BestTim HightowerI think it's safe to say that averaging less than 4.0 ypc is not unusual for quality rookie RBs.

I'm not sure why you felt like you had to defend yourself when I pretty much agreed with the main reason why Ingram has a low YPC. In any event, I'm too lazy to look it up (maybe I'll do it when I have more time) but feel free to post the team records for all of the above players during their rookie years. I can absolutely guarantee you that none of those above players played on a team as good as the 2011 NO Saints. Oh, and please add Emmitt Smth to the list too.Bottom line, is that you can't just cherry pick players that had a low YPC during their rookie year because almost all of those players played for horrible teams. I can also play your game by picking rookie HB's that had YPC seasons above 4.0, but that doesn't mean they had successful careers. It just isn't a good defense because the success of the teams they played on varies so much.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

So for the owners who might be suffering at RB (like me) what do you think his matchup is like for Tennesse this week - he seems to struggle a lot more against tougher run defences. CJ Spiller did alright against Tennessee last week but once again we have to assume Ingram will be closing out the game and most of his runs are up the middle.

How is the interior of this defence - I know Colin McCarthy has been playing pretty well in run support (he had a force fumble on Turner a few weeks ago).

A 60-80 yard rushing day with Two TD's would be huge in the first round of the playoffs.

 

[chitlins3]

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his rookie season.

On a 5-11 team with a brutal OLine. Ingram is averaging a similarly poor YPC on one of the best teams in the league, with an elite OLine, along with a stud QB that teams can't possibly put 8 men in the box. Just sayin'.However, to play devils advocate against myself, the fact that Ingram is used as a closer to run up the gut, in game-closing situations, is a great reason (*cough* excuse) for his low YPC.

Here are some backs who averaged less than 4.0 ypc their rookie years (since 1990):Marshawn Lynch 7-9

Willis McGahee 9-7

Matt Forte 9-7

Marion Barber 9-7

Emmitt Smth 7-9

Tiki Barber 11-5

Charlie Garner 7-9

Reggie Bush 10-6

Ricky Williams 3-13

Travis Henry 3-13

Thomas Jones 3-13

Jahvid Best 6-10

Tim Hightower 9-7 (NFC Champs)

I think it's safe to say that averaging less than 4.0 ypc is not unusual for quality rookie RBs.

I'm not sure why you felt like you had to defend yourself when I pretty much agreed with the main reason why Ingram has a low YPC. In any event, I'm too lazy to look it up (maybe I'll do it when I have more time) but feel free to post the team records for all of the above players during their rookie years. I can absolutely guarantee you that none of those above players played on a team as good as the 2011 NO Saints. Oh, and please add Emmitt Smth to the list too.

Bottom line, is that you can't just cherry pick players that had a low YPC during their rookie year because almost all of those players played for horrible teams. I can also play your game by picking rookie HB's that had YPC seasons above 4.0, but that doesn't mean they had successful careers. It just isn't a good defense because the success of the teams they played on varies so much.

 

[munygon2]

From RotoWorld:

Mark Ingram was held out of Saints practice Wednesday with a case of turf toe on his right foot.

It's bad news for a player who appeared to be finally settling into a groove after missing Weeks 8 and 9 with a heel injury. Ingram has led the Saints in rushing each of the past two weeks, finding the end zone twice. Turf toe has a tendency to linger, and almost always costs players at least one game. Ingram's status will be updated on Thursday, but he should initially be considered unlikely to play against the Titans.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Well I guess that's over.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Well I guess that's over.

Well that's about the final death blow. I've been playing Ingram the last 2 weeks as a desperation fill-in when FJAX went down. The next guy I start is going to be a what the heck flex in the playoffs. Someone like a Saine or K. Bell or M. Reece. Injuries took down each of my RB's one by one this season like death with his scythe. :( This is the death rattle of my season.

 

[need2know]

From RotoWorld:Mark Ingram was held out of Saints practice Wednesday with a case of turf toe on his right foot.It's bad news for a player who appeared to be finally settling into a groove after missing Weeks 8 and 9 with a heel injury. Ingram has led the Saints in rushing each of the past two weeks, finding the end zone twice. Turf toe has a tendency to linger, and almost always costs players at least one game. Ingram's status will be updated on Thursday, but he should initially be considered unlikely to play against the Titans.

just when you thought he was getting clean, he reveals his true turdness

 

[shnikies]

I would call him a drop. Can't trust a guy with turf toe even if he plays. See Best, Jahvid 2010, McFadden, Darren 2008 (coincidentally both rookies also)

 

[MarcO]

Possibly not as bad as initially reported. Rotoworld:

Mark Ingram was spotted with a light wrap on his turf toe injury Wednesday, suggesting it's not of the severe variety."I'm feeling better. Better than I did yesterday," he said. "It's an injury that can vary. For some people, it can linger for a while. For others, it can turn the corner fast. Hopefully these next few days, it feels better and I can be ready to go." If Ingram cannot play against the Titans, Chris Ivory would take over as the power runner behind Darren Sproles and Pierre Thomas.

 

[shnikies]

Possibly not as bad as initially reported. Rotoworld:

Mark Ingram was spotted with a light wrap on his turf toe injury Wednesday, suggesting it's not of the severe variety."I'm feeling better. Better than I did yesterday," he said. "It's an injury that can vary. For some people, it can linger for a while. For others, it can turn the corner fast. Hopefully these next few days, it feels better and I can be ready to go." If Ingram cannot play against the Titans, Chris Ivory would take over as the power runner behind Darren Sproles and Pierre Thomas.

I feel like turf toe injuries always start with it not being as bad as reported into multiple weeks of sub 3 yards per carry performances.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Possibly not as bad as initially reported.

Rotoworld:

Mark Ingram was spotted with a light wrap on his turf toe injury Wednesday, suggesting it's not of the severe variety.

"I'm feeling better. Better than I did yesterday," he said. "It's an injury that can vary. For some people, it can linger for a while. For others, it can turn the corner fast. Hopefully these next few days, it feels better and I can be ready to go." If Ingram cannot play against the Titans, Chris Ivory would take over as the power runner behind Darren Sproles and Pierre Thomas.

I feel like turf toe injuries always start with it not being as bad as reported into multiple weeks of sub 3 yards per carry performances.

in that case we don't have to worry about any drop off in performance.silver lining.

 

[shnikies]

Possibly not as bad as initially reported.

Rotoworld:

Mark Ingram was spotted with a light wrap on his turf toe injury Wednesday, suggesting it's not of the severe variety.

"I'm feeling better. Better than I did yesterday," he said. "It's an injury that can vary. For some people, it can linger for a while. For others, it can turn the corner fast. Hopefully these next few days, it feels better and I can be ready to go." If Ingram cannot play against the Titans, Chris Ivory would take over as the power runner behind Darren Sproles and Pierre Thomas.

I feel like turf toe injuries always start with it not being as bad as reported into multiple weeks of sub 3 yards per carry performances.

in that case we don't have to worry about any drop off in performance.silver lining.

Pretty obvious that reply was coming. He's at 4.6 ypc in the two games since the bye and has been looking good. I don't own him but I'm sure people were starting to get a little more comfortable with him as an RB3.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

http://newsok.com/ingrams-turf-toe-raises-prospects-for-ivory/article/feed/324844?custom_click=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Newsok%2FSports+%28NewsOK.com+RSS+-+sports%29

 

[NorrisB]

He cant handle the 8 carries a game the saints give him

 

[flapgreen]

It's too many carries. Decrease him to one carry a game.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

 

[Shawnky]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

 

[matttyl]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

Must suck to own Ingram. XoxoxoTrich owner

 

[Shawnky]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

And? Not saying Ingram will have a better career, but what does draft position have to do with career performance?And yes, I do understand his post was about being valued. But honestly, NO gave up more. So, really he isn't right.

 

[Shawnky]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

Must suck to own Ingram. XoxoxoTrich owner

Actually, come next Saturday I will own both. I'm also the defending champion of that league. :dustsshoulder:

 

[Multiple Scores]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

And? Not saying Ingram will have a better career, but what does draft position have to do with career performance?And yes, I do understand his post was about being valued. But honestly, NO gave up more. So, really he isn't right.

Enjoy your guy Ingram. What a sad existence you have thinking Ingram is the superior back.

 

[Shawnky]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

And? Not saying Ingram will have a better career, but what does draft position have to do with career performance?And yes, I do understand his post was about being valued. But honestly, NO gave up more. So, really he isn't right.

Enjoy your guy Ingram. What a sad existence you have thinking Ingram is the superior back.

Where did I say that. I don't even think that, but that has yet to be determined. You're just one of the most annoying posters on this board, and basically an #####. One of the reasons I just don't like coming to these boards as much. It's sad.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

And? Not saying Ingram will have a better career, but what does draft position have to do with career performance?And yes, I do understand his post was about being valued. But honestly, NO gave up more. So, really he isn't right.

Enjoy your guy Ingram. What a sad existence you have thinking Ingram is the superior back.

Where did I say that. I don't even think that, but that has yet to be determined. You're just one of the most annoying posters on this board, and basically an #####. One of the reasons I just don't like coming to these boards as much. It's sad.

Don't cry man. Ingram could still be a bye week fill in.

 

[shader]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

It's long been thought that Richardson was the better prospect. But I wouldn't close the book on Ingram just yet. That being said, the original poster must have been on something when he made that post. Not sure what he was thinking.

 

[Shawnky]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

And? Not saying Ingram will have a better career, but what does draft position have to do with career performance?And yes, I do understand his post was about being valued. But honestly, NO gave up more. So, really he isn't right.

Enjoy your guy Ingram. What a sad existence you have thinking Ingram is the superior back.

Where did I say that. I don't even think that, but that has yet to be determined. You're just one of the most annoying posters on this board, and basically an #####. One of the reasons I just don't like coming to these boards as much. It's sad.

Don't cry man. Ingram could still be a bye week fill in.

It would be funny, even though I plan on being a Richardson owner, if something happened to him a la Kijana Carter. Just to see who would be crying.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

And? Not saying Ingram will have a better career, but what does draft position have to do with career performance?And yes, I do understand his post was about being valued. But honestly, NO gave up more. So, really he isn't right.

Enjoy your guy Ingram. What a sad existence you have thinking Ingram is the superior back.

Where did I say that. I don't even think that, but that has yet to be determined. You're just one of the most annoying posters on this board, and basically an #####. One of the reasons I just don't like coming to these boards as much. It's sad.

Don't cry man. Ingram could still be a bye week fill in.

It would be funny, even though I plan on being a Richardson owner, if something happened to him a la Kijana Carter. Just to see who would be crying.

Wow. I've never wished injury on Ingram or any player. Karma my sad foe.

 

[Shawnky]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

And? Not saying Ingram will have a better career, but what does draft position have to do with career performance?And yes, I do understand his post was about being valued. But honestly, NO gave up more. So, really he isn't right.

Enjoy your guy Ingram. What a sad existence you have thinking Ingram is the superior back.

Where did I say that. I don't even think that, but that has yet to be determined. You're just one of the most annoying posters on this board, and basically an #####. One of the reasons I just don't like coming to these boards as much. It's sad.

Don't cry man. Ingram could still be a bye week fill in.

It would be funny, even though I plan on being a Richardson owner, if something happened to him a la Kijana Carter. Just to see who would be crying.

Wow. I've never wished injury on Ingram or any player. Karma my sad foe.

Again, as you tend to do with putting words in other people's mouths, I never wished injury. Just said I would find it funny.......or ironic.Carry on with your nonsense.

 

[Touchdown There]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

Looks like matttyl likes to stick his nose in where it does not belong. Grow up guy.

 

[matttyl]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

Looks like matttyl likes to stick his nose in where it does not belong. Grow up guy.

All I'm saying is that he was right. Cleveland gave up much more for T Rich than NO gave up for Ingram. And this is coming from an Ingram owner. T Rich is and will be the superior back. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Shawnky]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

Looks like matttyl likes to stick his nose in where it does not belong. Grow up guy.

All I'm saying is that he was right. Cleveland gave up much more for T Rich than NO gave up for Ingram. And this is coming from an Ingram owner. T Rich is and will be the superior back. I hope I'm wrong.

I'm not going to try and make this a who's better argument, but how did Cleveland give up more? NO gave their 2nd round pick last year and 1st this year. Cleveland gave a 4th, 5th, 6th.......right?I wouldn't call that more. Sorry.

 

[TheFanatic]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

Looks like matttyl likes to stick his nose in where it does not belong. Grow up guy.

It's an anonymous message board full of 99% dudes where we're talking about football in April. You're calling a guy out for being immature? Really?

 

[stbugs]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

And? Not saying Ingram will have a better career, but what does draft position have to do with career performance?And yes, I do understand his post was about being valued. But honestly, NO gave up more. So, really he isn't right.

Not trying to get in the middle of the slap fest, but draft position is directly correlated to career performance. It isn't perfect and each player is an individual, but pretty sure there are more 1st round pick pro-bowlers than 2nd rounders. On average, draft position has everything to do with career performance.

 

[stbugs]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

Looks like matttyl likes to stick his nose in where it does not belong. Grow up guy.

All I'm saying is that he was right. Cleveland gave up much more for T Rich than NO gave up for Ingram. And this is coming from an Ingram owner. T Rich is and will be the superior back. I hope I'm wrong.

I'm not going to try and make this a who's better argument, but how did Cleveland give up more? NO gave their 2nd round pick last year and 1st this year. Cleveland gave a 4th, 5th, 6th.......right?I wouldn't call that more. Sorry.

Umm, Cleveland used the 3rd pick in the draft on T Rich and also traded the 4th pick in the 1st round plus later picks, I think that is what he is talking about. That has more draft value than a late 2nd and late 1st (NO was a playoff team, not much chance of it being a high pick). You can't just talk about picks used in the trade and conveniently forget Cleveland giving up the 1.04 and then using 1.03. It isn't rocket science, Ingram was a late 1st round pick, Richardson was the 3rd pick of the draft, not even close in terms of draft value.

 

[Shawnky]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

And? Not saying Ingram will have a better career, but what does draft position have to do with career performance?And yes, I do understand his post was about being valued. But honestly, NO gave up more. So, really he isn't right.

Not trying to get in the middle of the slap fest, but draft position is directly correlated to career performance. It isn't perfect and each player is an individual, but pretty sure there are more 1st round pick pro-bowlers than 2nd rounders. On average, draft position has everything to do with career performance.

Your just claiming it has something to do with it doesn't validate it. Show me proof and I will concede. I'm not going to do the homework.

 

[Shawnky]

Looking a bit like T. Rich is valued more than Ingram. What say you Ingram lovers?

I say you're one sad little man. Must suck to validate your existence on a FF board.

I'd say he's right.

Looks like matttyl likes to stick his nose in where it does not belong. Grow up guy.

All I'm saying is that he was right. Cleveland gave up much more for T Rich than NO gave up for Ingram. And this is coming from an Ingram owner. T Rich is and will be the superior back. I hope I'm wrong.

I'm not going to try and make this a who's better argument, but how did Cleveland give up more? NO gave their 2nd round pick last year and 1st this year. Cleveland gave a 4th, 5th, 6th.......right?I wouldn't call that more. Sorry.

Umm, Cleveland used the 3rd pick in the draft on T Rich and also traded the 4th pick in the 1st round plus later picks, I think that is what he is talking about. That has more draft value than a late 2nd and late 1st (NO was a playoff team, not much chance of it being a high pick). You can't just talk about picks used in the trade and conveniently forget Cleveland giving up the 1.04 and then using 1.03. It isn't rocket science, Ingram was a late 1st round pick, Richardson was the 3rd pick of the draft, not even close in terms of draft value.

My claim had nothing to do with draft position. I still don't see where how Cleveland gave up more. Maybe it's just me. I guess it depends on how those picks turn out, but those picks weren't of great value.