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Mark Ingram (2 Viewers)

As someone who owns Ingram in a dynasty league, he looked good yesterday -- he grinded out tough yards and made some good cuts. Despite that, I still thought Robinson looked like the best back on the Saints last night. He has some great vision and a really nice burst.

 
Just moved him for a mid-2nd in a 14 teamer. So around pick 20. The twist is that we draft a couple weeks before the NFL draft though, so it makes that pick more of an enticing lottery ticket.

 
So happy he was dropped by a team and I was able to snag him with the last waiver priority. I don't play with some of the brightest owners in that Dyno league.

 
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RBM said:
Proud of this guy. Key to the Saints win (on the offensive side) imo. Knew he had it in him.
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Zab said:
As someone who owns Ingram in a dynasty league, he looked good yesterday -- he grinded out tough yards and made some good cuts. Despite that, I still thought Robinson looked like the best back on the Saints last night. He has some great vision and a really nice burst.
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I'm proud of him too, this is one of the great things about sports, when someone overcomes adversity like this.

Robinson is sticking around. The Saints do have limited cap space so what happened with Ivory could happen again, but this is shaping up as a pretty darned good 1-2 punch.

I will also add that the Saints actually threw some screens to Ingram vs PHI. It was not nearly up to Pierre/Sproles stuff though.

 
So glad he fumbled. Maybe we will get an extended look at the better RB. As a Saints fan that can't hurt.

 
You want a true guage of who Mark Ingram is , give him a full games worth of carries. He is in the wrong offense and on the wrong team for his skills. I bet the Giants would love to have him. The guy picks up blocks well and runs hard and would get stronger as a game progresses given a chance.

 
Two Deep said:
You want a true guage of who Mark Ingram is , give him a full games worth of carries. He is in the wrong offense and on the wrong team for his skills. I bet the Giants would love to have him. The guy picks up blocks well and runs hard and would get stronger as a game progresses given a chance.
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100% agree

 
Best case for Ingram is to get off the Saints and get onto a running offense. As a Titans fan, I'd love to have him come and compete for the starting job. I'd still love to see what he could do when getting 20 carries a game.

 
Excerpts from Peter King's MMQB:

Goat of the WeekMark Ingram, running back, New Orleans. Biggest single contributor to any of the four losses all weekend. With the Seattle crowd in full nuttiness on the first series of the game Saturday, Drew Brees had a perfect screen set up for Ingram on third down. Guaranteed conversion, and a crowd-silencer. Ingram dropped it. Early in the second quarter, Ingram tried to make three or four hard yards up the middle and was met by defensive end Michael Bennett. Not a particularly hard collision. But Ingram coughed the ball up, the Seahawks recovered, and Marshawn Lynch—the hard-running, elusive back Ingram was drafted to be—ran for a pinball touchdown a moment later, and it was 13-0. Ingram has had a few moments for New Orleans (he was a plus last week in the Wild Card win at Philly), but overall, the first half mirrored his New Orleans career.
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“It definitely hurts. Every time I carry that football, I’m carrying the team’s dreams and aspirations. I let them down at a critical moment in the game. That’s unfortunate.”

—Saints running back Mark Ingram, whose soft fumble led to an easy first-half touchdown by the Seahawks and a 13-0 lead for Seattle.
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Rotoworld:

The New Orleans Times-Picayune envisions an expanded role for Mark Ingram in 2014.
We hear this every offseason, of course, but the Saints' release of Darren Sproles and attempts to trade Pierre Thomas indicate coach Sean Payton is truly, finally committed to more of a traditional, under-center rushing attack. Ingram quietly averaged 4.9 YPC on his final 78 carries of 2013. The 24-year-old will duke it out with Khiry Robinson to be New Orleans' lead ball carrier.

Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune
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The New Orleans Times-Picayune expects Saints coach Sean Payton's offense to be a "balanced, ball-control attack" in 2014.
Payton's offense averaged 23.6 carries per game the first 14 weeks of 2013, before averaging 30.5 in the final four. "Possessing the ball means something to the defense -- it means snaps taken away," Payton said. "When we finished the regular season and went to Philadelphia for the Wild Card round, we were able to point to 186 less defensive plays (than 2012) which is more than two games." With Drew Brees and Marques Colston aging, and Darren Sproles gone, the old high-flying Saints offense is a thing of the past. Look for Khiry Robinson and Mark Ingram's roles to increase significantly in 2014, particularly Robinson's.

Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune
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Why him? Why not a FA who can catch like DMC? I am not a big DMC fan but he would be perfect in NO offense. He is one of the most dangerous backs catching the ball out of the backfield and he could be used in committee to keep the wear and tear on his body limited.

I find it hard to believe that NO is going to redesign its offense to suit Ingram's skill set. I find it more likely that they find a FA or a rookie who can imitate what Sproles did.

 
Rotoworld:

Coach Sean Payton said at the NFL meetings that the Saints have had "no discussions" about exercising Mark Ingram's fifth-year club option.
The Saints have Ingram signed for 2014 at $1,386,375, but won't pay much more than that to retain him for 2015, if they even have plans to do the latter at all. Ingram is averaging 4.11 yards per carry through three NFL seasons.

Source: Marc Sessler on Twitter
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Very curious to see how 2014 pans out. If they feed him 17-20 touches a game......a viable starting fantasy RB. And then he is a FA.

 
Todem said:
Very curious to see how 2014 pans out. If they feed him 17-20 touches a game......a viable starting fantasy RB. And then he is a FA.
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That is the problem with the Saints, I think they have 3 backs that if given 15+ touches a week they would be a rb2 at worst. The problem is you never know who is going to get 15 touches in a given week or if any of them will see 15 touches.

 
Are we really going to expect the Saints to pass for 5,000 yards again with receivers made up of: Graham (ok, stud), Colston (another year older, same health issues), Kenny Stills (looks promising, but a 1000 yard WR?)... and... Toon? No Sproles, no Moore, no Bush... these were the guys that handled the short and intermediate routes. The saints might draft a WR, but still.

I don't think its the design of the offense anymore to pass, pass, pass. The number of quality RBs (Thomas, Robinson, Cadet) is the bigger issue for Ingram now than the offensive philosophy.

I'm interested at his current price. Plus, could easily find himself in a Ben Tate/Toby Gerhart situation next year as a FA.

 
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Are we really going to expect the Saints to pass for 5,000 yards again with receivers made up of: Graham (ok, stud), Colston (another year older, same health issues), Kenny Stills (looks promising, but a 1000 yard WR?)... and... Toon? No Sproles, no Moore, no Bush... these were the guys that handled the short and intermediate routes. The saints might draft a WR, but still.

I don't think its the design of the offense anymore to pass, pass, pass. The number of quality RBs (Thomas, Robinson, Cadet) is the bigger issue for Ingram now than the offensive philosophy.

I'm interested at his current price. Plus, could easily find himself in a Ben Tate/Toby Gerhart situation next year as a FA.
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I seriously think they will draft a RB to boot.

But I was just discussing the WR situation with someone earlier today - it's not like Carolina, but I think there may be that a WR will be drafted high as well. I think they've cleared the decks with Moore and Meach, and I really don't think Toon is who they're looking at to step in.

The passing numbers with the 5K+ yards have gotten a little out of whack, I think they want a top 10 (total yds) rushing game, something more like 2009. What really can't be foretold is how good is Robinson, if he is running with breakaway ability and effectiveness, then he will just be given the rock more in any game (IMO). Now is he really that good, can he be that guy over a whole season? I don't know.

 
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Are we really going to expect the Saints to pass for 5,000 yards again with receivers made up of: Graham (ok, stud), Colston (another year older, same health issues), Kenny Stills (looks promising, but a 1000 yard WR?)... and... Toon? No Sproles, no Moore, no Bush... these were the guys that handled the short and intermediate routes. The saints might draft a WR, but still.

I don't think its the design of the offense anymore to pass, pass, pass. The number of quality RBs (Thomas, Robinson, Cadet) is the bigger issue for Ingram now than the offensive philosophy.

I'm interested at his current price. Plus, could easily find himself in a Ben Tate/Toby Gerhart situation next year as a FA.
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I said the same last year but, the again, Sproles and Moore were still in place. The problem isn't that the Saints don't want to have a running game, they do. The problem is, is Peyton takes the committee thing seriously and rides whoever his hot hand is for the day and it's always unpredictable. Hell, look at Pierre Thomas numbers throughout his career. You think by now he would have had at least one workhorse, consistent year but that is never, ever how Peyton has done it. I am all for giving players infinite chances but this just screams to me of history repeating itself for redraft.

 
Mark Ingram needs a new team to get a chance to show what he got. With NO's offence, he didn't get many opportunies the past few years.

 
It really wouldn't make much sense for them to pick up the option at that price. He'd need to put up a top 10 or so season in order to justify more than that, and that seems extremely unlikely.

 
Saints creating nice holes, but Ingram looks to be picking up where he left off last year; he looks great

 
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