Mark Ingram (2 Viewers)

[Chaka]

It was a good game. Not much to complain about. Here are Ingram's carries

1st: 4, 14, 2, 4, 7

2nd: 4, 2, target, 9, 2, 0

3rd: 2, 28, 3, 1, 18, 4, 9

4th: 14, 6, 8, 3, 5, 4, -1, 21TD, 4

The only thing I didn't like was Payton's unwillingness to put a hat-on-a-hat at the goal line and let Ingram take it in from the 2 in the 3rd quarter. What they did was a good play call and they still got the TD but I think Payton missed an opportunity to punch GB in the face and at the same time reward Ingram for a great drive.

Still, it's a small complaint.

 

[Timmay]

Contract year...I expect him to run hard and angry ROS.

 

[humpback]

It was a good game. Not much to complain about. Here are Ingram's carries

1st: 4, 14, 2, 4, 7

2nd: 4, 2, target, 9, 2, 0

3rd: 2, 28, 3, 1, 18, 4, 9

4th: 14, 6, 8, 3, 5, 4, -1, 21TD, 4

The only thing I didn't like was Payton's unwillingness to put a hat-on-a-hat at the goal line and let Ingram take it in from the 2 in the 3rd quarter. What they did was a good play call and they still got the TD but I think Payton missed an opportunity to punch GB in the face and at the same time reward Ingram for a great drive.

Still, it's a small complaint.

They had a 1st and goal from the 4 on their first drive of the game where they handed it to Cooks as well.

 

[Otis]

It was a good game. Not much to complain about. Here are Ingram's carries

1st: 4, 14, 2, 4, 7

2nd: 4, 2, target, 9, 2, 0

3rd: 2, 28, 3, 1, 18, 4, 9

4th: 14, 6, 8, 3, 5, 4, -1, 21TD, 4

The only thing I didn't like was Payton's unwillingness to put a hat-on-a-hat at the goal line and let Ingram take it in from the 2 in the 3rd quarter. What they did was a good play call and they still got the TD but I think Payton missed an opportunity to punch GB in the face and at the same time reward Ingram for a great drive.

Still, it's a small complaint.

They had a 1st and goal from the 4 on their first drive of the game where they handed it to Cooks as well.

Yup. Based on play calling alone that could just as easily have been a 2 or 3TD game. The way he was running I have no doubt he could have punched those in.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

now hope god throws a lightning bolt at pierre's knee

 

[Leonidas]

Wow, Larry, could you be more of a piece of ####?

 

[bolldpt]

Wondering his usage this week with the amount of carries last night combined with the short week and possibility of PT and Ky Rob getting involved .

 

[Mister Martie]

He looks a bit slimmer than 2 years ago may have something to do with his burst this year.

I noticed this too. He looked like a different player physically.

 

[Soulfly3]

Wondering his usage this week with the amount of carries last night combined with the short week and possibility of PT and Ky Rob getting involved .

he wont be resigning in NO and they know it... Theyre going to use him til his wheels fall off, and Ingram is going to wanna showcase what he's got for his next suitor

 

[bolldpt]

Wondering his usage this week with the amount of carries last night combined with the short week and possibility of PT and Ky Rob getting involved .

he wont be resigning in NO and they know it... Theyre going to use him til his wheels fall off, and Ingram is going to wanna showcase what he's got for his next suitor

Ya I can see that but could also see the scenario of, let's see who we have for next year.

 

[Leonidas]

Wondering his usage this week with the amount of carries last night combined with the short week and possibility of PT and Ky Rob getting involved .

he wont be resigning in NO and they know it... Theyre going to use him til his wheels fall off, and Ingram is going to wanna showcase what he's got for his next suitor

Ya I can see that but could also see the scenario of, let's see who we have for next year.

Or maybe Payton wants to win this year and will do whatever it is he thinks gives them the best chance of winning this year.

 

[matttyl]

He looks a bit slimmer than 2 years ago may have something to do with his burst this year.

Or that the RB on the other team is so much fatter than him.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm just hoping they can run all over the panthercats on the road like they did the Pack at home.

 

[bolldpt]

I'm just hoping they can run all over the panthercats on the road like they did the Pack at home.

Might be quite a bit tougher.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

He looks a bit slimmer than 2 years ago may have something to do with his burst this year.

I noticed this too. He looked like a different player physically.

yeah, he looks like a guy touching the ball 20x instead of 6.

 

[rickyg]

He did great tonight but again, let's remember that he played a terrible run defense and Pierre and Khiry were on the shelf.

Expecting this kind of output from ingram rest of the way would be foolish. And I'm a redraft and dynasty ingram owner.

Sean Payton is most likely not going to feature ingram once those guys return. Maybe 12-15 carries at most. Which is still good for him to post strong flex/rb3 numbers with upside for more most weeks.

Please, please show me where anybody said they expect 130+ yards and a TD every game the rest of the way. PS: That "don't expect this kind of output going forward" is what people said after week 1. And after week 2. And now after this week. There is a pattern here. Let's see if it becomes a trend.

Don't get me wrong, dude. He was in every lineup that I could put him in this week and he will be a fixture in my lineup moving forward until he lets me down.

I'm just saying that this week was the perfect storm. I wish every week was like this but it won't be. It's readily to expect 60-80 yards and a TD most weeks though

 

[Adam Harstad]

I'm just hoping they can run all over the panthercats on the road like they did the Pack at home.

Might be quite a bit tougher.

According to Football Outsiders, Green Bay was 22nd against the run entering this week while Carolina was 29th. To this point in the season, Green Bay is dead last in rushing yards allowed (153 per game), but Carolina is bottom five (StL- 145/g, Cle- 142/g, Cin- 140/g, with Carolina and Tennessee tied at 135/g).

 

[bolldpt]

I'm just hoping they can run all over the panthercats on the road like they did the Pack at home.

Might be quite a bit tougher.

According to Football Outsiders, Green Bay was 22nd against the run entering this week while Carolina was 29th. To this point in the season, Green Bay is dead last in rushing yards allowed (153 per game), but Carolina is bottom five (StL- 145/g, Cle- 142/g, Cin- 140/g, with Carolina and Tennessee tied at 135/g).

Oh that's interesting

 

[Chaka]

It was a good game. Not much to complain about. Here are Ingram's carries

1st: 4, 14, 2, 4, 7

2nd: 4, 2, target, 9, 2, 0

3rd: 2, 28, 3, 1, 18, 4, 9

4th: 14, 6, 8, 3, 5, 4, -1, 21TD, 4

The only thing I didn't like was Payton's unwillingness to put a hat-on-a-hat at the goal line and let Ingram take it in from the 2 in the 3rd quarter. What they did was a good play call and they still got the TD but I think Payton missed an opportunity to punch GB in the face and at the same time reward Ingram for a great drive.

Still, it's a small complaint.

They had a 1st and goal from the 4 on their first drive of the game where they handed it to Cooks as well.

Another, even better, wasted opportunity to punch the opponent in the face. Sometimes you gotta be mean but Payton seems to prefer being tricky.

 

[Chaka]

Wondering his usage this week with the amount of carries last night combined with the short week and possibility of PT and Ky Rob getting involved .

PT was supposed to be out for 2-3 weeks, I doubt he plays on Thursday. Hopefully Robinson will just be Ingram's caddie but, with Payton it's anybody's guess.

 

[Chaka]

Wondering his usage this week with the amount of carries last night combined with the short week and possibility of PT and Ky Rob getting involved .

he wont be resigning in NO and they know it... Theyre going to use him til his wheels fall off, and Ingram is going to wanna showcase what he's got for his next suitor

Ya I can see that but could also see the scenario of, let's see who we have for next year.

Or maybe Payton wants to win this year and will do whatever it is he thinks gives them the best chance of winning this year.

Sadly Payton may believe that means Brees should throw the ball 60 times per game.

 

[Chaka]

One important factor is that New Orleans just hasn't been that good of a football team this season. It is fine and dandy for Ingram when New Orleans has the lead or is down by only one score but I think Ingram's role probably diminishes with every point New Orleans falls behind in a game. Ingram owners should hope that last night signifies the turning point in New Orleans season and that they continue to play like the team everyone thought they would be before the season started and not the one that started 2-4.

 

[I Am the Stig]

So, now that he had a nice game, what do we do with him on Thursday Night?

Short weeks don't tend to favor the RBs. They either get a diminished role in Sunday or on Thursdays by my eyeball test.

Could Cadet be a sneaky play over Ingram this Thursday?

 

[SproutDaddy]

One important factor is that New Orleans just hasn't been that good of a football team this season. It is fine and dandy for Ingram when New Orleans has the lead or is down by only one score but I think Ingram's role probably diminishes with every point New Orleans falls behind in a game. Ingram owners should hope that last night signifies the turning point in New Orleans season and that they continue to play like the team everyone thought they would be before the season started and not the one that started 2-4.

What support do you have for this "theory?"

 

[Chaka]

So, now that he had a nice game, what do we do with him on Thursday Night?

Short weeks don't tend to favor the RBs. They either get a diminished role in Sunday or on Thursdays by my eyeball test.

Could Cadet be a sneaky play over Ingram this Thursday?

Only one way to find out.

 

[humpback]

One important factor is that New Orleans just hasn't been that good of a football team this season. It is fine and dandy for Ingram when New Orleans has the lead or is down by only one score but I think Ingram's role probably diminishes with every point New Orleans falls behind in a game. Ingram owners should hope that last night signifies the turning point in New Orleans season and that they continue to play like the team everyone thought they would be before the season started and not the one that started 2-4.

They've kept most of their games close enough- Dallas was the only game where you could justify having to abandon the run. Unfortunately, that doesn't make any difference with Payton- they threw the ball 45 times vs. 21 runs against Detroit, and that's a game they were leading by 2 scores for most of the 2nd half. That essentially cost them the game, but I don't think it really matters.

 

[Chaka]

One important factor is that New Orleans just hasn't been that good of a football team this season. It is fine and dandy for Ingram when New Orleans has the lead or is down by only one score but I think Ingram's role probably diminishes with every point New Orleans falls behind in a game. Ingram owners should hope that last night signifies the turning point in New Orleans season and that they continue to play like the team everyone thought they would be before the season started and not the one that started 2-4.

What support do you have for this "theory?"

Pretty much every team rushes more often in wins then losses.

The saints average 22.5 rushes in losses and 30.7 rushes in losses.

In the three losses by 1, 2 & 3 points they ran the ball an average of 25 times, in their loss by 21 they ran the ball 13 times.

Sean Payton is one of the most pass happy coaches in the NFL by nature.

Here is his Pass att:Rush att break down for his career with New Orleans:

2013 - 651:391

2012 - Payton was suspended but it was 671:370

2011 - 662:431

2010 - 661:380

2009 - 544:468 (his best year for rushing by far and I hope he returns to that because they went 13-3)

2008 - 636:398

2007 - 652:392

2006 - 580:472

Only two seasons with 450+ rushing attempts. This season they were on pace for 400 rush attempts before last night and 411 after last night.

Finally the word "theory" does not need to be in quotation marks because it is exactly what I am putting out there. And I am not stating it as a fact as evidenced my use of the words "I think" and "probably" (bolded for your convenience).

 

[karmarooster]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000418524/Week-8-Mark-Ingram-highlights

Are you not entertained?

 

[shader]

Ingram ran like a maniac last night. I'm still buzzing from that performance. One of the best RB performances I've seen in awhile, and I was extremely satisfied to see Ingram have it.

This is the guy I touted as being a future "hall of famer". I saw this at Alabama, and fully expected it in New Orleans.

I think the blame for Ingram's first couple years goes to SP and to Ingram himself. Ingram looked a bit overweight and seemed slow. Of course, it's hard to tell because he got the ball 8 times a game.

SP loves to throw the ball, and so I fully expect this to be Ingram's best game of the year. That being said, there is a scenario here where SP wises up, realizes what he has, and runs Ingram 20 times a game the rest of the year.

The parallels between Dallas and New Orleans are many. Like Dallas, New Orleans has been erratic for the past year and a half, gets way too pass happy, and had a poor defense.

Dallas wised up, relied on Murray and a strong Oline, and suddenly the entire team is playing better.

Surely SP can see this. Brees had his best game of the year in the same game he finally let Ingram run and run and run and run. Cooks finally got a deep TD, Graham got going again, and they dominated an excellent Packers team.

Surely Payton wises up.

 

[Goin Deep]

In dynasty leagues you couldn't give him away, now look at him.

This. I had Mark Ingram literally given to me. I traded Woodhead + Jordy for Julio last year after Julio got hurt, and I asked the other guy to just include whoever from the end of his bench to make the numbers even. I was pleasantly surprised to get Ingram back.

This. I picked him up off waivers in my dynasty league last year after watching him run really angry one week. That was all I needed to see. A former Heisman winner, with all the talent in the world, pouring his passion out on the field (he looked like a man possessed, like he was so tired of waiting and finally getting his chance to succeed), in a contract year, and he's only 24 years old, and currently is on one of the highest scoring offenses around.

People in fantasy have such short term memories.

This is true but sometimes the Hakeem Nicks are the Hakeem Nicks, too.

I almost can't blame anyone for giving up on Ingram but, if nothing else, you have to consider his low miles and age and take a flier. I'm happy to have him here and there but, at the same time, I know the volatility in it and can't see myself rolling into the playoffs and saying "ok, season is on the line. Let's start Mark Ingram." I want to. But boy that's a hard pill to swallow.

When you roster 4 RBs and your other picks were AP, Spiller and Christine Michael....it goes down rather easy!

 

[Otis]

Ingram ran like a maniac last night. I'm still buzzing from that performance. One of the best RB performances I've seen in awhile, and I was extremely satisfied to see Ingram have it.

This is the guy I touted as being a future "hall of famer". I saw this at Alabama, and fully expected it in New Orleans.

I think the blame for Ingram's first couple years goes to SP and to Ingram himself. Ingram looked a bit overweight and seemed slow. Of course, it's hard to tell because he got the ball 8 times a game.

SP loves to throw the ball, and so I fully expect this to be Ingram's best game of the year. That being said, there is a scenario here where SP wises up, realizes what he has, and runs Ingram 20 times a game the rest of the year.

The parallels between Dallas and New Orleans are many. Like Dallas, New Orleans has been erratic for the past year and a half, gets way too pass happy, and had a poor defense.

Dallas wised up, relied on Murray and a strong Oline, and suddenly the entire team is playing better.

Surely SP can see this. Brees had his best game of the year in the same game he finally let Ingram run and run and run and run. Cooks finally got a deep TD, Graham got going again, and they dominated an excellent Packers team.

Surely Payton wises up.

At a minimum, if NO keeps getting out ahead of lesser teams, they may just grind out Ingram in the second half. He may end up getting his 20 carries per game just killing the clock, and as we saw last night, every now and then he'll break a long one and/or a TD. Fantasy gold.

 

[valhallan]

Ingram ran like a maniac last night. I'm still buzzing from that performance. One of the best RB performances I've seen in awhile, and I was extremely satisfied to see Ingram have it.

This is the guy I touted as being a future "hall of famer". I saw this at Alabama, and fully expected it in New Orleans.

I think the blame for Ingram's first couple years goes to SP and to Ingram himself. Ingram looked a bit overweight and seemed slow. Of course, it's hard to tell because he got the ball 8 times a game.

SP loves to throw the ball, and so I fully expect this to be Ingram's best game of the year. That being said, there is a scenario here where SP wises up, realizes what he has, and runs Ingram 20 times a game the rest of the year.

The parallels between Dallas and New Orleans are many. Like Dallas, New Orleans has been erratic for the past year and a half, gets way too pass happy, and had a poor defense.

Dallas wised up, relied on Murray and a strong Oline, and suddenly the entire team is playing better.

Surely SP can see this. Brees had his best game of the year in the same game he finally let Ingram run and run and run and run. Cooks finally got a deep TD, Graham got going again, and they dominated an excellent Packers team.

Surely Payton wises up.

Having seen every game of his Saints career, I can confidently say the turnaround has much more to do with Ingram than you think. He used to be amazingly tentative in the backfield. There were so many times where the hole would be clearly there in front of him and he'd plant his feet and almost avoid it. It was frustrating to the point that I wrote him off as a Saints fan. Wish I could find the play, but there was a run late in a game where the Saints really needed to punch it in from the 5 or so. He had a clear lane over the weak side with blockers in front, as the play was designed, and everyone in the stadium thought he'd stroll into the endzone. For some unknown reason he slowed down and a LB in pursuit from the middle took him down with an arm tackle.

Some time last year after the criticism reached a fever pitch, he just became a different runner. It was as if he decided he didn't give a #### anymore and wasn't going to think. The light bulb went on and he's looked completely different. Sure, Payton is not a great playcaller. I don't think he held Mark back much though. Mark just wasn't good enough to trust for a long time.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

i see a lot of blah blah blah blah in here today. expected a little more upbeat morning chat. it was a great weekend to be able to say he can do it. whether he will be given the same opportunity going forward, i tend to agree with those who don't think so. Payton is Payton, the Saints are the Saints. at least there is hope for next year if and when he goes elsewhere. And he should see this many touches over the next couple of weeks while PT is out, I haven't checked Khiry's status yet. at the very least it's confirmation that Saints are better off when Ingram runs well, hopefully the coaching staff agrees.

Cadet followers: give up on him now. His ceiling < PT's ceiling. PT's ceiling = not startable as RB2. Therefore Cadet will be at best a borderline RB3 IF he can break screens for long TD's. Once everyone gets healthy he's good for, what, 5-6 touches a game if that? If Ingram and PT couldn't garner more than 10-12 touches a game in this offense by design until this year and injuries, Cadet certainly won't see more than 5-6 touches a game this year barring further injuries. And that was while the Saints were blowing people out in prior years, which the Saints aren't doing this year until last night. That scoreboard is a bit deceiving too, the Packs didn't exactly come to play. Pass to Peppers? Really? Packs running out of receivers? Give me a break. But I digress.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

One important factor is that New Orleans just hasn't been that good of a football team this season. It is fine and dandy for Ingram when New Orleans has the lead or is down by only one score but I think Ingram's role probably diminishes with every point New Orleans falls behind in a game. Ingram owners should hope that last night signifies the turning point in New Orleans season and that they continue to play like the team everyone thought they would be before the season started and not the one that started 2-4.

What support do you have for this "theory?"

Pretty much every team rushes more often in wins then losses.

The saints average 22.5 rushes in losses and 30.7 rushes in losses.

In the three losses by 1, 2 & 3 points they ran the ball an average of 25 times, in their loss by 21 they ran the ball 13 times.

Sean Payton is one of the most pass happy coaches in the NFL by nature.

Here is his Pass att:Rush att break down for his career with New Orleans:

2013 - 651:391

2012 - Payton was suspended but it was 671:370

2011 - 662:431

2010 - 661:380

2009 - 544:468 (his best year for rushing by far and I hope he returns to that because they went 13-3)

2008 - 636:398

2007 - 652:392

2006 - 580:472

Only two seasons with 450+ rushing attempts. This season they were on pace for 400 rush attempts before last night and 411 after last night.

Finally the word "theory" does not need to be in quotation marks because it is exactly what I am putting out there. And I am not stating it as a fact as evidenced my use of the words "I think" and "probably" (bolded for your convenience).

So your theory applies to one in seven games?

 

[Chaka]

Ingram ran like a maniac last night. I'm still buzzing from that performance. One of the best RB performances I've seen in awhile, and I was extremely satisfied to see Ingram have it.

This is the guy I touted as being a future "hall of famer". I saw this at Alabama, and fully expected it in New Orleans.

I think the blame for Ingram's first couple years goes to SP and to Ingram himself. Ingram looked a bit overweight and seemed slow. Of course, it's hard to tell because he got the ball 8 times a game.

SP loves to throw the ball, and so I fully expect this to be Ingram's best game of the year. That being said, there is a scenario here where SP wises up, realizes what he has, and runs Ingram 20 times a game the rest of the year.

The parallels between Dallas and New Orleans are many. Like Dallas, New Orleans has been erratic for the past year and a half, gets way too pass happy, and had a poor defense.

Dallas wised up, relied on Murray and a strong Oline, and suddenly the entire team is playing better.

Surely SP can see this. Brees had his best game of the year in the same game he finally let Ingram run and run and run and run. Cooks finally got a deep TD, Graham got going again, and they dominated an excellent Packers team.

Surely Payton wises up.

Ingram owners can only hope.

Also the Dallas offensive line is significantly better then the New Orleans line.

 

[Chaka]

One important factor is that New Orleans just hasn't been that good of a football team this season. It is fine and dandy for Ingram when New Orleans has the lead or is down by only one score but I think Ingram's role probably diminishes with every point New Orleans falls behind in a game. Ingram owners should hope that last night signifies the turning point in New Orleans season and that they continue to play like the team everyone thought they would be before the season started and not the one that started 2-4.

What support do you have for this "theory?"

Pretty much every team rushes more often in wins then losses.

The saints average 22.5 rushes in losses and 30.7 rushes in losses.

In the three losses by 1, 2 & 3 points they ran the ball an average of 25 times, in their loss by 21 they ran the ball 13 times.

Sean Payton is one of the most pass happy coaches in the NFL by nature.

Here is his Pass att:Rush att break down for his career with New Orleans:

2013 - 651:391

2012 - Payton was suspended but it was 671:370

2011 - 662:431

2010 - 661:380

2009 - 544:468 (his best year for rushing by far and I hope he returns to that because they went 13-3)

2008 - 636:398

2007 - 652:392

2006 - 580:472

Only two seasons with 450+ rushing attempts. This season they were on pace for 400 rush attempts before last night and 411 after last night.

Finally the word "theory" does not need to be in quotation marks because it is exactly what I am putting out there. And I am not stating it as a fact as evidenced my use of the words "I think" and "probably" (bolded for your convenience).

So your theory applies to one in seven games?

No.

And I certainly welcome other opinions on how Ingram will be used going forward.

 

[Leonidas]

So, now that he had a nice game, what do we do with him on Thursday Night?

Short weeks don't tend to favor the RBs. They either get a diminished role in Sunday or on Thursdays by my eyeball test.

Start him

Edit: If you want to look at it that way ^ at least consider that he should be fairly fresh/conditioned after all those weeks off with a wrist injury.

 

[menobrown]

Contract year...I expect him to run hard and angry ROS.

I thought he ran the same way at the end of last season so don't see this as contract year induced. When someone references a player picking it up in a a contract year the implication to me is they've not been giving it 100% previously. I don't believe that to be the case with Ingram.

Two things have changed for him. He's healthier then he was early in his career is one. The second part of the equation is Payton, for all his supposed offensive genius, made the game very predictable when Ingram was in the game-basically announcing a run play. He started to change that up last season and that's what got Ingram rolling.

I also believe Payton is currently making the same mistake with Cadet he used to make with Ingram, only the reverse. His failure to give Cadet carries makes the game extremely predictable when he's in at RB.

 

[I Am the Stig]

So, now that he had a nice game, what do we do with him on Thursday Night?

Short weeks don't tend to favor the RBs. They either get a diminished role in Sunday or on Thursdays by my eyeball test.

Start himEdit: If you want to look at it that way ^ at least consider that he should be fairly fresh/conditioned after all those weeks off with a wrist injury.

I can get on board with that logic.

 

[TheFanatic]

Small and slow, indeed.

I slipped him in the lineup on Sunday over VJax as my flex. Very happy with what I saw. Had I not played against Sanders, Gates and D Thomas on Thursday night, there might've been a chance for me. So this guy was about my only joy for the day in that league. I was smoked no matter what, but it was really nice to see this guy run like crazy over GB.

 

[Stryker]

Guy offered me Bradshaw/Hilton for Ingram/Sanders..Already have Forte and Bell. Not sure how I feel about Ingram.

 

[belljr]

I'm dropping him

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Khiry Robinson (arm) was listed as did not practice on the Saints' Monday practice report ahead of Thursday night's game at Carolina.

 

[humpback]

Contract year...I expect him to run hard and angry ROS.

I thought he ran the same way at the end of last season so don't see this as contract year induced. When someone references a player picking it up in a a contract year the implication to me is they've not been giving it 100% previously. I don't believe that to be the case with Ingram.

Two things have changed for him. He's healthier then he was early in his career is one. The second part of the equation is Payton, for all his supposed offensive genius, made the game very predictable when Ingram was in the game-basically announcing a run play. He started to change that up last season and that's what got Ingram rolling.

I also believe Payton is currently making the same mistake with Cadet he used to make with Ingram, only the reverse. His failure to give Cadet carries makes the game extremely predictable when he's in at RB.

I think this week was the first time that he played more than 50% of the offensive snaps and didn't carry the ball on more than 50% of those snaps. His other games he did well in spite of the predictability.

 

[ORC]

Trying not to cherry pick numbers here:

Last 8 games: 102 carries, 580 yards, 5.69 YPC, 5 TDs

Last 16 games: 155 carries, 852 yards, 5.50 YPC, 6 TDs

Last 16 games with 10+ carries: 225 carries, 1,169 yards, 5.20 YPC, 9 TDs.

Doesn't turn 25 until December and the Saints didn't pick up his 5th year option for next year at $5 million, so he is an unrestricted free agent. The franchise number for an RB in 2014 was $9.5 million. He's almost a full year younger than Andre Ellington. How many guys would you rather have in dynasty right now?

 

[Phenomena]

Trying not to cherry pick numbers here:

Last 8 games: 102 carries, 580 yards, 5.69 YPC, 5 TDs

Last 16 games: 155 carries, 852 yards, 5.50 YPC, 6 TDs

Last 16 games with 10+ carries: 225 carries, 1,169 yards, 5.20 YPC, 9 TDs.

Doesn't turn 25 until December and the Saints didn't pick up his 5th year option for next year at $5 million, so he is an unrestricted free agent. The franchise number for an RB in 2014 was $9.5 million. He's almost a full year younger than Andre Ellington. How many guys would you rather have in dynasty right now?

It will be interesting to see what happens with Ingram. It certainly wasn't a mistake to not pick up the option. $5M would have made Ingram the 10th highest paid RB in the league. You can't pay that kind of money for a RB who offers little in the passing game, which is today's NFL. I would be shocked if he got more than $5M/year in free agency.

New Orleans is in cap hell so they almost certainly won't retain his services, unless the market bottoms out and he returns for $3-4M/year. That's very possible ... look at the RB free agent signings and extensions from the last two years. Chris Johnson, Joique Bell, Reggie Bush, Darren Sproles, Steven Jackson, Toby Gerhardt.. those are all guys that at one point in time ran as hard as Ingram and every one offers more in the passing game. Yet none of them got over $4M per year.

 

[TheFanatic]

Trying not to cherry pick numbers here:

Last 8 games: 102 carries, 580 yards, 5.69 YPC, 5 TDs

Last 16 games: 155 carries, 852 yards, 5.50 YPC, 6 TDs

Last 16 games with 10+ carries: 225 carries, 1,169 yards, 5.20 YPC, 9 TDs.

Doesn't turn 25 until December and the Saints didn't pick up his 5th year option for next year at $5 million, so he is an unrestricted free agent. The franchise number for an RB in 2014 was $9.5 million. He's almost a full year younger than Andre Ellington. How many guys would you rather have in dynasty right now?

It will be interesting to see what happens with Ingram. It certainly wasn't a mistake to not pick up the option. $5M would have made Ingram the 10th highest paid RB in the league. You can't pay that kind of money for a RB who offers little in the passing game, which is today's NFL. I would be shocked if he got more than $5M/year in free agency.

New Orleans is in cap hell so they almost certainly won't retain his services, unless the market bottoms out and he returns for $3-4M/year. That's very possible ... look at the RB free agent signings and extensions from the last two years. Chris Johnson, Joique Bell, Reggie Bush, Darren Sproles, Steven Jackson, Toby Gerhardt.. those are all guys that at one point in time ran as hard as Ingram and every one offers more in the passing game. Yet none of them got over $4M per year.

Almost all of them signed deals at much older than Ingram. Not sure about Bell. I think Toby is the closest.

 

[Phenomena]

Trying not to cherry pick numbers here:

Last 8 games: 102 carries, 580 yards, 5.69 YPC, 5 TDs

Last 16 games: 155 carries, 852 yards, 5.50 YPC, 6 TDs

Last 16 games with 10+ carries: 225 carries, 1,169 yards, 5.20 YPC, 9 TDs.

Doesn't turn 25 until December and the Saints didn't pick up his 5th year option for next year at $5 million, so he is an unrestricted free agent. The franchise number for an RB in 2014 was $9.5 million. He's almost a full year younger than Andre Ellington. How many guys would you rather have in dynasty right now?

It will be interesting to see what happens with Ingram. It certainly wasn't a mistake to not pick up the option. $5M would have made Ingram the 10th highest paid RB in the league. You can't pay that kind of money for a RB who offers little in the passing game, which is today's NFL. I would be shocked if he got more than $5M/year in free agency.

New Orleans is in cap hell so they almost certainly won't retain his services, unless the market bottoms out and he returns for $3-4M/year. That's very possible ... look at the RB free agent signings and extensions from the last two years. Chris Johnson, Joique Bell, Reggie Bush, Darren Sproles, Steven Jackson, Toby Gerhardt.. those are all guys that at one point in time ran as hard as Ingram and every one offers more in the passing game. Yet none of them got over $4M per year.

Almost all of them signed deals at much older than Ingram. Not sure about Bell. I think Toby is the closest.

They may have been older but some were still more useful. A 27-year old Bush coming off a solid season with Miami was a better bet on the free agent market than Ingram will be this year. Bush is very useful in the passing game and was coming off consecutive 1,000-yard rushing seasons. All that and he still only got $4M/year.

The salary cap has been raised since then, but considering Ingram has had less historical success and contributes less overall to the team, there's just no way he gets more than the $4M/year Bush received.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Be careful when evaluating what he can offer in the passing game.

Just because the Saints have had pass catching specialists (Sproles, Cadet) and trusted veterans (Thomas) that held that role doesn't mean Ingram can't be a contributor in the passing game on a team that doesn't want to employ a 3 headed monster at RB.

He was thought to be a good receiver coming out of college, and if he lands on a team that wants to use him as a 3 down RB, he can deliver. He may not be a 60 or 70 catch guy, but he can easily be a 3 catch per game RB.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Bal? SD? I don't do Dynasty but stuff like this makes me wish I did.

If you are a Dynasty owner, where is your dream landing spot? Mr. Harstad?