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Mark Ingram (5 Viewers)

rickyg said:
renesauz said:
rickyg said:
Jimbo Slice said:
Everybody is trying to get this guy from me. Our trade deadline is this week and I ain't trading him away. Many (crap) offers tho
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In my dynasty league I was offered a mid to late first rd pick and Keenan Allen for ingram. Turned it down immediately.
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That's WAY better than anything I've been offered in any of the 4 leagues I own him in.IN most leagues, this offer would have probably pried him away, and I love INgram.
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Let's analyze this a bit deeper. The reason why people aren't making better offers for ingram is not because he isn't worthy of a premium price. It's BC a) ingram has been a huge bust for the first three years of his nfl career, b) his recent success is a relatively small body of work, c) he has had this success with khiry and Pierre thomas inactive, and many believe that his role will be reduced when they return and he won't be any better than an rb2, d) his coach is Sean Payton and Payton likes to mess with people. If you are someone who believes in all of that then you will think that a late 2015 1st rd pick and Keenan Allen is a good offer.

If you are like me, and you are seeing that this year something different is happening with ingram than in years past, and that his success really began late in the 2014 season, and that he was a beast for the first 2 games of this season even with Pierre and Khiry in the lineup, and that he is running like an elite RB, and that he is a former high draf pick with an excellent pedigree,and that Sean Payton is seeing that the saints generally win when they commit to the run, and that ingram is an fa next season...then you value him very highly and should not sell him for lower than his worth just BC other people don't see this.

Perception shapes people's realities. My perception of ingram's situation is far greater than the people's perception who are floating trade offers. And that's fine. I'm happy to hold him and enjoy the ride.

Rookie draft picks are total crap shoots. Just look at ingram's first 3 years in the league. Look at trich. You never know what you're going to get.

And Keenan Allen. Jury is still out on him. Rt now he's a dime a dozen young wr with upside.

What is the golden rule of successful trading? Always try to acquire the best player in the deal.

In this trade scenario there is little doubt that ingram is the best player.

No Bueno.
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Why didn't you just say you value him more than the consensus? Most owners value their players more than consensus.

Plus there is significant doubt he's the best player in that deal. He could be but he might not be as well. I'm not saying you're wrong just that it's not as clear as you are trying to make it.

 
Milkman said:
rickyg said:
renesauz said:
rickyg said:
Jimbo Slice said:
Everybody is trying to get this guy from me. Our trade deadline is this week and I ain't trading him away. Many (crap) offers tho
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In my dynasty league I was offered a mid to late first rd pick and Keenan Allen for ingram. Turned it down immediately.
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That's WAY better than anything I've been offered in any of the 4 leagues I own him in.IN most leagues, this offer would have probably pried him away, and I love INgram.
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Let's analyze this a bit deeper. The reason why people aren't making better offers for ingram is not because he isn't worthy of a premium price. It's BC a) ingram has been a huge bust for the first three years of his nfl career, b) his recent success is a relatively small body of work, c) he has had this success with khiry and Pierre thomas inactive, and many believe that his role will be reduced when they return and he won't be any better than an rb2, d) his coach is Sean Payton and Payton likes to mess with people. If you are someone who believes in all of that then you will think that a late 2015 1st rd pick and Keenan Allen is a good offer.

If you are like me, and you are seeing that this year something different is happening with ingram than in years past, and that his success really began late in the 2014 season, and that he was a beast for the first 2 games of this season even with Pierre and Khiry in the lineup, and that he is running like an elite RB, and that he is a former high draf pick with an excellent pedigree,and that Sean Payton is seeing that the saints generally win when they commit to the run, and that ingram is an fa next season...then you value him very highly and should not sell him for lower than his worth just BC other people don't see this.

Perception shapes people's realities. My perception of ingram's situation is far greater than the people's perception who are floating trade offers. And that's fine. I'm happy to hold him and enjoy the ride.

Rookie draft picks are total crap shoots. Just look at ingram's first 3 years in the league. Look at trich. You never know what you're going to get.

And Keenan Allen. Jury is still out on him. Rt now he's a dime a dozen young wr with upside.

What is the golden rule of successful trading? Always try to acquire the best player in the deal.

In this trade scenario there is little doubt that ingram is the best player.

No Bueno.
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Why didn't you just say you value him more than the consensus? Most owners value their players more than consensus. Plus there is significant doubt he's the best player in that deal. He could be but he might not be as well. I'm not saying you're wrong just that it's not as clear as you are trying to make it.
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Was just explaining my reasoning forwhy I value him higher than others do.

But the truth is there is a reason that guy in my league was targeting ingram for a buy high, and a reason he was so willing to sell low on Keenan. And that is BC he sees what I'm seeing in ingram.

He's just thinking "how can I secure a key starter for my lineup for a guy that won't crack my lineup for the rest the year barring injuries.?"

So clearly even the guy offering te trade knows ingram is the best player in the deal. Which is why he also threw in a 1st rounder.

 
Keenan seems like he may be a Keyshawn or Terry Glenn type of receiver (yeah they were very different in their game but while they had a couple nice seasons they never quite lived up to their promise). Who knows, Keenan's rookie season may have been his career year. [SIZE=14.2857141494751px]A long career of nice but not game changing IMO, it's fine and all but it doesn't excite me.[/SIZE]

Ingram may never replicate what he is doing this year but what he is showing is incredibly tantalizing for a 2-4 year stretch. Again, he may never approach this again but he is showing the potential for 1,650 yards and 16 TDs. Yeah, I'll take that over the other option pretty much every time.

 
ONly watching via redzone, but every Ingram run I've seen it looks like he's got nowhere to go. Lot of Bengals in the backfield or meeting him at the LOS.

IN most cases he seem to be getting a little more than what is blocked. He's also added four receptions already.

 
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Looks like Rey Malaluga is playing. That def improves their run defense, so not surprised it has been a tough game.

 
97 total yards off of 30 touches. Didn't get the TD today but still is the workhorse. Cincy just manned up on defense today.

 
Tango said:
Insein said:
97 total yards off of 30 touches. Didn't get the TD today but still is the workhorse. Cincy just manned up on defense today.
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Yeah, the running game will be blamed for this loss. Ingram is officially a sell for 2014.
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From RW:

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora expects contract-year RB Mark Ingram to reach the free-agent market.
The Saints are already projected to be over the 2015 salary cap, having a ton of money tied up in Drew Brees, the offensive line, Jairus Byrd, Jimmy Graham, and Junior Galette. Tagging Ingram at around $8 million also makes no sense. Ingram flipped the switch on his career late last season, and it's carried over into 2014. He'll likely seek upwards of $5 million annually on a long-term deal.

Good thing is the Saints are in the NFC South and are still in it. But if they continue to disappoint Ingram may lose a lot of touches to Khiry when he returns. They'd like to continue to see what Khiry can do.
 
I didn't see the game. Happy with ingram's ending numbers with the catches. But how do they lay an egg like that at home against an average team?

Cle blows out Cincy on road. Next week Cincy blows out NO on road and Cle loses at home to Hou. :loco:

 
IgglesFan said:
Alonzo Mosely said:
Insein said:
Barely hanging on to a division lead when that is the only ticket to the playoffs right now, I see Payton doing what works. A steady balance of run with Ingram sets up Brees a lot better than just chucking it 50 times. Payton's a smart guy. Ingram should get 20+ carries from here on out.
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I think they are going to clinch early. CAR and ATL are horrible and NOR has a bunch of home games left. Those last few weeks might see him dialed back to 15.
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Huh? They have two tough home games against the Bengals and Ravens, then play three of their last five outdoors in December.

I doubt they are pass-heavy in Week 13 at Pittsburgh or Week 15 at Chicago, two places were running the ball in December is a way of life.
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:whistle:

 
I love me some Ingram, he's been great but I really think benching him on MNF is advisable if you have some decent options. Baltimore rush D is no joke.

#1 against the rush (61 ypg since week 8)

Notable performances:

Giovanni 14-48

L. Bell 11-59

DWill 11-34

Bradshaw 15-68

D. Martin 11-45

SJAX 8-22

Giovanni 16-45

Jeremy Hill 10-45

L. Bell 10-20

Sankey 16-55

I didn't add in the receiving because the point being is that Ingram doesn't see the ball much out of the backfield so he could be very limited this game.

I'm playing CJ Anderson over him and I might be going Edelman over him in a .5ppr WRs only flex.

 
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Futz said:
I love me some Ingram, he's been great but I really think benching him on MNF is advisable if you have some decent options. Baltimore rush D is no joke.

#1 against the rush (61 ypg since week 8)

Notable performances:

Giovanni 14-48

L. Bell 11-59

DWill 11-34

Bradshaw 15-68

D. Martin 11-45

SJAX 8-22

Giovanni 16-45

Jeremy Hill 10-45

L. Bell 10-20

Sankey 16-55

I didn't add in the receiving because the point being is that Ingram doesn't see the ball much out of the backfield so he could be very limited this game.

I'm playing CJ Anderson over him and I might be going Edelman over him in a .05ppr WRs only flex.
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Didn't he have 7 catches last week?

 
unckeyherb said:
Futz said:
I love me some Ingram, he's been great but I really think benching him on MNF is advisable if you have some decent options. Baltimore rush D is no joke.

#1 against the rush (61 ypg since week 8)

Notable performances:

Giovanni 14-48

L. Bell 11-59

DWill 11-34

Bradshaw 15-68

D. Martin 11-45

SJAX 8-22

Giovanni 16-45

Jeremy Hill 10-45

L. Bell 10-20

Sankey 16-55

I didn't add in the receiving because the point being is that Ingram doesn't see the ball much out of the backfield so he could be very limited this game.

I'm playing CJ Anderson over him and I might be going Edelman over him in a .05ppr WRs only flex.
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Didn't he have 7 catches last week?
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7 for 30. In PPR, that's 10 points there.

If PT and Khiri remain out it's hard to sit this guy.

Did those other two practice today?

 
kyoun1e said:
unckeyherb said:
Futz said:
I love me some Ingram, he's been great but I really think benching him on MNF is advisable if you have some decent options. Baltimore rush D is no joke.

#1 against the rush (61 ypg since week 8)

Notable performances:

Giovanni 14-48

L. Bell 11-59

DWill 11-34

Bradshaw 15-68

D. Martin 11-45

SJAX 8-22

Giovanni 16-45

Jeremy Hill 10-45

L. Bell 10-20

Sankey 16-55

I didn't add in the receiving because the point being is that Ingram doesn't see the ball much out of the backfield so he could be very limited this game.

I'm playing CJ Anderson over him and I might be going Edelman over him in a .05ppr WRs only flex.
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Didn't he have 7 catches last week?
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7 for 30. In PPR, that's 10 points there.

If PT and Khiri remain out it's hard to sit this guy.

Did those other two practice today?
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That's true and it's not typical. In fact, I'D call that an outlier. I'd rather look at the whole body of work and now also take into account the release of Leonard which indicates more competition for touches in an offense that likes to spread the receptions.

I'm sure my league (no ppr for RBs) plays into my decision to sit him but I can't consider him a no brainer start at this point on a struggling offense regardless.

 
Futz said:
I love me some Ingram, he's been great but I really think benching him on MNF is advisable if you have some decent options. Baltimore rush D is no joke.

#1 against the rush (61 ypg since week 8)

Notable performances:

Giovanni 14-48

L. Bell 11-59

DWill 11-34

Bradshaw 15-68

D. Martin 11-45

SJAX 8-22

Giovanni 16-45

Jeremy Hill 10-45

L. Bell 10-20

Sankey 16-55

I didn't add in the receiving because the point being is that Ingram doesn't see the ball much out of the backfield so he could be very limited this game.

I'm playing CJ Anderson over him and I might be going Edelman over him in a .5ppr WRs only flex.
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I think I'm with you on this man. Have him in two leagues. Leaning Anderson and Crowell respectively.

 
Kwai Chang Caine said:
Futz said:
I love me some Ingram, he's been great but I really think benching him on MNF is advisable if you have some decent options. Baltimore rush D is no joke.

#1 against the rush (61 ypg since week 8)

Notable performances:

Giovanni 14-48

L. Bell 11-59

DWill 11-34

Bradshaw 15-68

D. Martin 11-45

SJAX 8-22

Giovanni 16-45

Jeremy Hill 10-45

L. Bell 10-20

Sankey 16-55

I didn't add in the receiving because the point being is that Ingram doesn't see the ball much out of the backfield so he could be very limited this game.

I'm playing CJ Anderson over him and I might be going Edelman over him in a .5ppr WRs only flex.
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I think I'm with you on this man. Have him in two leagues. Leaning Anderson and Crowell respectively.
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I would go the other way and start Ingram.

At home on MNF

None only one of those teams you noted above has an passing attack like NO making it harder to defend the run

And recent trends say he's going to get more carries than any of those guys you listed

I think it seems him up as a good play.

 
With foster questionable and ball out I've got Ingram and Lacy going with Evans/brown/ODB. If foster plays then I don't know if I'll drop Ingram from the lineup or ODB...probably the wr.

 
Tango said:
Dave Richard ‏@daverichard 2m2 minutes ago
Pierre Thomas was limited in practice for the Saints today. Looks like he's coming back. It'll crush Mark Ingram's receiving numbers.
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Oh, hello Cadet. I, for one, didnt know he had a hammy.

Did Not Practice

RB Travaris Cadet (Hamstring)

LB Curtis Lofton (Ankle)

RB Khiry Robinson (Forearm)

CB Keenan Lewis (Knee)

LB Kyle Knox (Hand)

It seems Khiry Robinson is in San Antonio after all. The mysterious media black-out on his injury continues...

 
:lmao: at any concern about Ingram losing touches because of PT.

Ingram has been averaging 30 touches per game since PT and Robinson went out. That kind of workload is obscene and will get him killed, he needs someone to come in and spell him. PT coming back is good news for Ingram

He'll be fine and continue to produce RB1 numbers with 20 touches per game. Personally I think he will be more effective with a reduced workload

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Futz said:
Tango said:
Dave Richard ‏@daverichard 2m2 minutes ago

Pierre Thomas was limited in practice for the Saints today. Looks like he's coming back. It'll crush Mark Ingram's receiving numbers.
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I was waiting on Khiry news but this is actually worse news to hear for those who must start Ingram this week.
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I think you guys are missing the point. I'm not saying Ingram is going to lose carries to PT but he will probably lose the receptions which would have made him a pretty good start in THIS game vs.Balt's stout run D.
 
Before last week's career outlier, he caught 5 passes in 3 starts w/o PT&Khiry (Weeks 8-10). Earlier in the season with PT & Khiry healthy, he caught 6 passes in 3 games (Week1-2&7)

Ingram owners don't own him for receptions. I think most understand they always have and always will have a designated passing down back. He 'lost' receptions to Cadet (14) in Thomas's absence by that same logic.....

 
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Rotoworld:

Mark Ingram - RB - Saints

ESPN Saints reporter Mike Triplett said Mark Ingram will continue to get the "lion's share" of carries even if Pierre Thomas returns against the Ravens Monday night.

Thomas appears on track to play against Baltimore, but his status will have little bearing on Ingram's workload. Averaging 26 carries a game over his last four, Ingram is almost a lock to see 20 touches against the Ravens. Thomas will unseat Travaris Cadet as the passing-game back when he returns.

Related: Pierre Thomas

Source: ESPN.com

Nov 22 - 10:01 AM
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This could be real good for the rest of the season. Locked and Loaded. Now,how bout a touchdown or two this weekend.

ESPN Saints reporter Mike Triplett said Khiry Robinson may have suffered a setback or opted for surgery on his injured arm.
Triplett said Robinson "seemed closer to returning a few weeks ago," adding there is still no real timetable on Robinson's return. Robinson will not play against the Ravens Monday night, and could possibly be out the rest of the regular season. We really have no idea. Mark Ingram will continue to be the early down bell cow in New Orleans.
 
Maybe the way i posted it was worded wrong. That's huge for Ingram and PT owners. It makes Ingram a RB1 ROS and PT can be started in the flex.

 
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