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I was thinking that earlier.On the bright side, hopefully they lose out and ####can Payton for us.
Payton is a problem. He's still dicking around with the failed concept of situational RBs.
Agreed - playcalling has been garbage most of the year.
Week 1 vs. Oakland- 42 passing attempts vs. 22 rushing attempts in a game they led almost the entire way but lost by 1 late
Game flow was odd.
Does anyone in NO feel this way, or just us fantasy owners? Just curious on reality of sentiment.
The sense I get is they like him because overall he has a really good record and won a Super Bowl. However, this is looking like the 3rd consecutive disappointing sub-.500 season. I don't think he's a terrible coach, but he does seem incredibly stubborn, which isn't a good quality when it isn't working.
He had 6 turnovers and that includes the meaningless one at the end of the Lions game. You don't need to round it up to "8-9 turnovers" to make your point.
His clock mgmt at the end of the 1st half was a fireable offense. I was screaming at the TV, 'call TO'.
48) 22-M.Ingram up the middle to TB 1 for 2 yards (93-G.McCoy).13) PENALTY on NO-76-T.Hills, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at TB 1 - No Play.13) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short right to 38-T.Cadet.09) 9-D.Brees sacked at TB 15 for -9 yards (91-R.Ayers).04) (Field Goal formation) 3-W.Lutz 34 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-47-J.Drescher, Holder-6-T.Morstead
Check the numbers… He's also fumbled two or three times. Once in week 12 and I think twice in a game before that.
That series had my blood boiling.His clock mgmt at the end of the 1st half was a fireable offense. I was screaming at the TV, 'call TO'.
1-10-TB 12
(1:24) 9-D.Brees pass short right to 16-B.Coleman to TB 3 for 9 yards (24-B.Grimes).
2-1-TB 3
Timeout #1 by TB at 00:13.
1-1-TB 1
1-6-TB 6
2-6-TB 6
Timeout #2 by NO at 00:04.
Timeout #2 by TB at 00:04.
3-15-TB 15
Note the fact that he had 2 TO's left with 48 seconds to go. Ingram got them the 1st down at the 1 yard line with 48 seconds left and the idiot just stood there and watched the clock tick down until TB felt sorry for him and used one of there own to help him out. He still was unable to run 3 plays at the 1 yard line because he's a moron.
I'm friends with a lot of folks in NOLA (hazard of my industry) and they love them Saints and most hate them some Payton. He was the man when he won the Super Bowl but from what I understand they're tired of the play calling and inability to field a defense worthy of the NFL.
It goes with my opinion that a lot of these guys would be coaching at the HS level if they didn't have NFL connections. Seriously, how do you just stand there and let the clock tick off over 25 seconds.
You said he had "8-9 turnovers in 2 weeks", which is completely false. He had 6 like I said. But you are telling me to check the numbers. Come on, man.
My bad.Synthesizer said:
Speaking as a transplanted Saints fan, that Saints championship allows him to coach the Saints as long as he wants IMO. Unless Bill Belichick gets a hankerin for Cajun Food, I can't think of any coach I'd rather have in New Orleans right now.
This is kind of a ridiculous sentiment given what we've seen this year. In fact Ingram has been the ultimate team player this year despite Payton effectively screwing him out of $ by inexplicably having a much less effective Hightower split (and even dominate) carries
No, Payton wouldn't allow him to. There's a big difference. And last year he vastly outplayed Thomas, and only a significant injury allowed Thomas to take over.
Ya gotta wonder how it felt being the "feature back" after resigning and seeing a friggin TE get a GL carry over you.
That's why I made sure to say casual observer. This has been going on for months and it's finally boiling over. Ultimately it'll make him a better back if he doesn't kill Payton first.This is kind of a ridiculous sentiment given what we've seen this year. In fact Ingram has been the ultimate team player this year despite Payton effectively screwing him out of $ by inexplicably having a much less effective Hightower split (and even dominate) carries
after Ingram's benching he said nothing to the media and was a good soldier.
after Hightower had more carries than he did the next game, Ingram said nothing and was a good soldier.
And again the next week and the next, despite having a massive advantage in YPC, there was Hightower again taking more than half the carries. And Ingram said all the right things to the media and was a good soldier.
Payton deserves whatever criticism Ingram had for him, yelled or otherwise. A guy can only take so much before blowing a gasket.
What you said about Payton's job security in your previous post may have been true several years ago, but none of my friends in NOLA feel this way, and apparently neither does ownership since they're dangling him as trade bait.
new theory: @Statorama is Sean Payton.
Ummm, Thomas last played for the Saints in 2014. It was Hightower who took over last year due to injury.
If the above is true then why does he average more YPC than Hightower?
Most of your negatives are greatly exaggerated if not downright silly, but even you admit that he is better than Hightower- how do you explain why Payton uses Hightower so much?
Yeah, I'm stuck on that too. The stats don't lie - Ingram has been better.
