Maroney not getting on the field early w/ first team (1 Viewer)

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Every once in awhile I'll come across someone who really expects big things from Maroney this year, and I just scratch my head. Haven't we learned that the RB in New England is absolutely worthless?

Maroney was not worthless last year when he was starting. He was a quality RB2 when the other guys were out. The downside case is that he relies on the other guys being out. The upside case is that those other three guys are over 100 years old combined.

You can start him for your team if you want. I'll pass. No one is winning any FF championships because of Maroney.

He didn't say someone would win a championship because of Maroney. You said the RB in NE is absolutely worthless, and he said Maroney wasn't worthless when he was starting, and he is correct. Maroney had several games last year where he was a nice RB2. I can see why some people would wonder if maybe Maroney proved himself enough during the time he served as NE's primary back last year, to be given that role again this year. Everyone realizes he got that roll because other fellow RBs were injured, and NE over the last few years have used an assortment of RBs. They have also had an assortment of RB injuries over the last few years. I remember back in 2004 when Cory Dillon had over 300 carries and 12 TD's for NE. Things don't always stay the same, even under the same General.

I guess it depends on what you are playing for. A championship team would probably never use Maroney in most formats. I guess if you have a bad or below average team, and you are desperate for bye-week help, he might be of use. But I just don't see how a team contending for a championship would have alot of use for Maroney, but that's jmo.

 

[Adebisi]

Unless Taylor, Morris, and probably even Faulk were all injured, you would have to be in a very difficult position to actually want to insert Maroney into your starting lineup.

 

[David Yudkin]

I don't think it's wrong to expect Maroney to put up decent numbers. Regardless of how he gets there, the fact is Maroney has been a top 30 RB in all 3 of his full seasons.

Until last year, investing in Maroney was a so so proposition.MFL preseason ADP, final ranking:2010: 47, ?2009: 50, 292008: 17, 1122007: 11, 252006: 34, 29He should do better than 47th this year, so he's worth drafting and stashing until he gets a chance, but he needs injuries to others to really get an opportunity to put up bigger numbers.

 

[Adebisi]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but per Mike Reiss, here is the snap breakdown through the first 3 preseason games:

BenJarvus Green-Ellis -- 47

Sammy Morris – 36

Kevin Faulk – 24

Fred Taylor – 20

Chris Taylor -- 17

Thomas Clayton -- 15

Laurence Maroney -- 12

 

[simey]

Every once in awhile I'll come across someone who really expects big things from Maroney this year, and I just scratch my head. Haven't we learned that the RB in New England is absolutely worthless?

Maroney was not worthless last year when he was starting. He was a quality RB2 when the other guys were out. The downside case is that he relies on the other guys being out. The upside case is that those other three guys are over 100 years old combined.

You can start him for your team if you want. I'll pass. No one is winning any FF championships because of Maroney.

He didn't say someone would win a championship because of Maroney. You said the RB in NE is absolutely worthless, and he said Maroney wasn't worthless when he was starting, and he is correct. Maroney had several games last year where he was a nice RB2. I can see why some people would wonder if maybe Maroney proved himself enough during the time he served as NE's primary back last year, to be given that role again this year. Everyone realizes he got that roll because other fellow RBs were injured, and NE over the last few years have used an assortment of RBs. They have also had an assortment of RB injuries over the last few years. I remember back in 2004 when Cory Dillon had over 300 carries and 12 TD's for NE. Things don't always stay the same, even under the same General.

I guess it depends on what you are playing for. A championship team would probably never use Maroney in most formats. I guess if you have a bad or below average team, and you are desperate for bye-week help, he might be of use. But I just don't see how a team contending for a championship would have alot of use for Maroney, but that's jmo.

I can't tell if you are understanding me or not. bostonfred said Maroney was a quality RB2 during the period he got to start last year, and I agreed with him. I then said I can see why people would wonder if he proved himself enough last year to have that role again this year. If he didn't have that role again this year, obviously people wouldn't be interested in having him in their lineup. That is just common sense. Last year however, I'm sure Maroney came in handy to some good teams that lost a RB to injury or wasn't performing well during the second part of the season.

 

[shader]

I can't tell if you are understanding me or not. bostonfred said Maroney was a quality RB2 during the period he got to start last year, and I agreed with him. I then said I can see why people would wonder if he proved himself enough last year to have that role again this year. If he didn't have that role again this year, obviously people wouldn't be interested in having him in their lineup. That is just common sense. Last year however, I'm sure Maroney came in handy to some good teams that lost a RB to injury or wasn't performing well during the second part of the season.

And all I'm saying is that at this point Maroney is worthless. Yes, I guess he could gain value if lots of players went down to injury, but that's true of countless running backs around the league. While I try to have 1 or 2 2nd string injury flyers, I prefer my injury flyers to be guys like Javon Ringer..guys on running teams that would put up bigtime numbers if injuries happened.I can't think of a league format where I would bother to put Maroney on my roster. He's not in any of my rosters and if he got dropped to waivers tomorrow, I wouldn't even worry about trying to get him.Maybe I'm just missing the boat, but I consider him worthless.

 

[meanjoegreen]

I can't tell if you are understanding me or not. bostonfred said Maroney was a quality RB2 during the period he got to start last year, and I agreed with him. I then said I can see why people would wonder if he proved himself enough last year to have that role again this year. If he didn't have that role again this year, obviously people wouldn't be interested in having him in their lineup. That is just common sense. Last year however, I'm sure Maroney came in handy to some good teams that lost a RB to injury or wasn't performing well during the second part of the season.

And all I'm saying is that at this point Maroney is worthless. Yes, I guess he could gain value if lots of players went down to injury, but that's true of countless running backs around the league. While I try to have 1 or 2 2nd string injury flyers, I prefer my injury flyers to be guys like Javon Ringer..guys on running teams that would put up bigtime numbers if injuries happened.I can't think of a league format where I would bother to put Maroney on my roster. He's not in any of my rosters and if he got dropped to waivers tomorrow, I wouldn't even worry about trying to get him.Maybe I'm just missing the boat, but I consider him worthless.

She isn't saying he should be started or even rostered. She just agreed that he wasn't worthless last year when he was given the starting role. She said that if he didn't have that same role this year, nobody would want him. Last year he was serviceable when he was used as a lead back. I won my league last year, and he helped me. I had Adrian Peterson, Michael Turner, Kevin Smith, Steve Slaton, and Leon Washington. The last few weeks of FF, I used Adrian Peterson and picked up Maroney (due to the injuries of my other backs), and Maroney consistently performed like a RB2. I won my league, and he was a huge help.

 

[daveR]

For the umpteenth time . . . nothing has changed in NE. It will be a RBBC and there will not be a featured back, just like last year . . . and the year before . . . and the year before that . . . and the year before that. I'm not sure why now for the fifth year in a row people STILL think Maroney would be the main ball carrier and their bell cow. If it hasn't happened by now, it's not going to happen.

Maroney had 194 carries last year. Second on the team was Taylor with 73. I have no idea how it will unfold this year, but I'm pretty sure that counts Maroney as the featured back in 2009.

Taylor missed 10 games. Morris missed a month. Both game back not 100%. Maroney got benched late in the season. He's not a featured back. When Taylor and Morris were in the lineup, Maroney had 10, 6, 4, 7, 5, 5, 0, and 1 carries. Still think he's a featured back?

You are insufferable. I'm shocked the owners of this site let you represent them.

Great

 

[Insein]

This backfield is a mess. Belichek doesn't care who he puts in there just as long as its a warm body.

I don't think there is any worth from any of these backs until 2 or 3 of them get hurt. Not worth a draft pick anymore IMO.

 

[Gopher State]

Patriots | Laurence Maroney may still be in dog house

Comment (1)

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:11:14 -0400

Updating previous reports, New England Patriots RB Laurence Maroney ended last year in the dog house of the coaching staff and it appears he never worked his way out of it because he hasn't sniffed the field since he worked with the backups during the first preseason game, reports Jeff Howe, of NESN.com. Maroney also has not missed any practice time, so there is no reason to think he is being held out due to health reasons. Howe believes the only way to look at the situation is that Maroney's stock with the team has plummeted, and his chances of making the team are slimmer than ever.

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[Todem]

If he gets cut he will be scooped up in a NY minute...please New England cut him now!!!

Not saying he some great player...but in another situation he will become very attactive.

 

[mcintyre1]

Please cut him, please cut him, please cut him....

 

[Spike]

For the umpteenth time . . . nothing has changed in NE. It will be a RBBC and there will not be a featured back, just like last year . . . and the year before . . . and the year before that . . . and the year before that. I'm not sure why now for the fifth year in a row people STILL think Maroney would be the main ball carrier and their bell cow. If it hasn't happened by now, it's not going to happen.

Maroney had 194 carries last year. Second on the team was Taylor with 73. I have no idea how it will unfold this year, but I'm pretty sure that counts Maroney as the featured back in 2009.

Taylor missed 10 games. Morris missed a month. Both game back not 100%. Maroney got benched late in the season. He's not a featured back. When Taylor and Morris were in the lineup, Maroney had 10, 6, 4, 7, 5, 5, 0, and 1 carries. Still think he's a featured back?

Who knows what would have happened had all of the RB's been healthy over the entire season. It's inaccurate to say he wasnt the featured back, injuries or not. He was. Was this because of the injuries? Most likely.

I'm a Pats homer so I see all/most of the games.Maroney had the most carries but it was a matter of attrition - he was pretty much the "last man standing" at RB. That's why he had the most carries.

 

[Spike]

Why wouldn't they trade him if they are so down on him. One thing to keep in mind, even if he has to wait till the others are hurt...

In 09 here's what happened

Fred Taylor had 63 carries on the season in only 6 games (10 per game) and he is now 34

Morris had 73 carries in 12 games (6 per game) and he is 34

Faulk had 62 in 15 games (4 per game) and he is a young 33

Maroney had 194 in 15, an average of 13 per game

The rest of the crew sure ain't getting younger

I think everyone who has an interest in Maroney should keep the above in mind this year. Morris and Taylor arent getting any younger. Would love to see Maroney bolt next season and start over new with another team.

So would the vast majority of Pats fans.

 

[Faust]

Maybe I'm the only one who sees it this way, but I'd worry more about the Pats D and it's troublesome issues with the pass rush first. The best rusher is who? Tully Banta Cain? Angry Bill has invested a lot in that secondary, but that's not going to help you much if you can't hit the QB. It's a young defense with transition situations everywhere. If that defense gets shredded, Brady is going to have to gun the ball more to play catch up. Less opportunities for Maroney and everyone else. The Pats are a pass happy team. Teams that focus on passing struggle a bit more finding an offensive rhythm for their running game. ( I think Jason Wood gave a pretty laughable assessment that the Eagles didn't need to run more since when they did run, it was "effective". No, NFL games, esp playoff football, are won in the trenches and with the ground war. Indy could have another ring if they could have run the ball better. ) Maroney is not a grind it out, smashmouth back. Honestly I think it's what the Pats need. Losing their guards won't help either. RBBC should be about exploiting multiple weapons, not disguising a series of poor compromises. Even Billy Beane, one of the stingiest most egotistical personnel guys in pro sports can admit a mistake, a bad move, and move on from it. It's like Angry Bill doesn't want to admit that Maroney isn't the best fit for his system and maybe it's time to move on. Who cares if he's cost effective, a middling performance for a middling price isn't value. Even Beane knows you can't always play for next year. Look at all the assets the Patriots have been piling up. Draft picks galore. You can't keep stockpiling for next year. Sometimes you have to actually get a weapon that can help you. You can't just play for today and not worry about tomorrow, but you also can't try to gauge the next five years over the present. Preseason is preseason, I don't make much of it. That being said, that Maroney is still on this team when he might better off with a fresh start in a different system is kind of telling about how Angry Bill sees personnel.

The Patriots offensive line is a HUGE area of concern. Logan Mankins is still holding out and they have other trouble spots.

 

[NHLumpa2]

First off, don't even count last nights game.

Eleven rushes for 28 yards?

He's probably better off not being associated with that kinda garbage!

Sommy Morris is being given workload to see if he still has it after his injuries last year.

BJGE is being (partially) featured so other teams can get current film on him to help him have a chance to catch on when he's cut.

This is something Belichick has done several times for players he respects. (but yeah, "Belicheat" is totally classless...)

IMHO VERY significant chance one of the young nobodies takes a roster spot from one of these two.

Even if not, there is a VERY high probability that at any given time:

one of the F'in Old Guys is completely out for the game

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one if not both of the other FOGs is playing but significantly hindered.

So if you consider the backfield to be Maroney, BJGE (BaJiGgEeee!!!) and any ONE, MAYBE TWO of the FOGS, plus a noname

That looks a bit different.

Also not taken into consideration so far in this debate is that 2008 Maroney played through significant injury ( I think it was broken shoulder blade).

Whatever.

Despite history of not getting a lot of opportunity and not capitilizing on what he did get,

Most of last year he passed the eyeball test as far as I am concerned. And then was held out (WTF?) of the last 3 games (6 carries) due to fumbles.

Were it not for the fumbles, we'd be considering him a lock as the 60% back.

Over his first three seasons, he had fumbled just once over 388 carries.

No reason to expect this to be an issue this season.

The true issue is the staff spent too long trying to force him into a Corey Dillon/Antowain Smith, up the middle, but with some speed, kinda role.

He's got size that ALMOST says that.

But that's not his natural instinctive running style.

The staff said earlier this summer they are working on his involvement in the passing game.

Maybe they'll stop trying to square-peg/round-hole him so much...

Either way, I think leads NE RBs in touches from the get-go this year. By how much, who knows?

I think they know what they have in him, aren't planning on cutting or moving him, and are evaluating everybody else.

 

[Faust]

Maroney done in New England?

07:59 AM ET 08.27 | Speculation has the Patriots keeping only four running backs, which may leave Laurence Maroney without a job in New England. Sammy Morris got the start against the Rams and had five carries for 12 yards. No, Morris' stats weren't anything to shake a stick at, but his hardnosed running and ability to play fullback make him a valuable commodity. BenJarvus Green-Ellis has gotten plenty of reps throughout the preseason and built some steam after his solid outing in the opener against the Saints. Fred Taylor also ran strong -- much stronger than expected -- against the Falcons. And then there's third-down extraordinaire Kevin Faulk, who is royalty in Bill Belichick's kingdom. Maroney, on the other hand, has been sleeping on a rusty cot in Belichick's doghouse, and the head coach has given no indication this preseason that Maroney has been able to find his way out.

NESN.com

 

[Plaid Boxer]

Patriots | Laurence Maroney may still be in dog house Comment (1) Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:11:14 -0400Updating previous reports, New England Patriots RB Laurence Maroney ended last year in the dog house of the coaching staff and it appears he never worked his way out of it because he hasn't sniffed the field since he worked with the backups during the first preseason game, reports Jeff Howe, of NESN.com. Maroney also has not missed any practice time, so there is no reason to think he is being held out due to health reasons. Howe believes the only way to look at the situation is that Maroney's stock with the team has plummeted, and his chances of making the team are slimmer than ever. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This speculative report is garbage. They know what they have with Maroney and want to see who, if any, they can cut from Morris and BJGE.

 

[David Yudkin]

I doubt the Pats will cut any of Maroney, Taylor, Morris, Faulk, or BJGE.

 

[bostonfred]

Patriots | Laurence Maroney may still be in dog house

Comment (1)

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:11:14 -0400

Updating previous reports, New England Patriots RB Laurence Maroney ended last year in the dog house of the coaching staff and it appears he never worked his way out of it because he hasn't sniffed the field since he worked with the backups during the first preseason game, reports Jeff Howe, of NESN.com. Maroney also has not missed any practice time, so there is no reason to think he is being held out due to health reasons. Howe believes the only way to look at the situation is that Maroney's stock with the team has plummeted, and his chances of making the team are slimmer than ever.

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Patriots | Believe Laurence Maroney can contribute Fri Aug 27, 05:41 PM New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick said he believes RB Laurence Maroney can absolutely help the team out this season, according to Mike Reiss, of ESPNBoston.com.

Our view: Why wasn't Maroney on the field as the starter last night? That is the big mystery surrounding the Patriots backfield. Maroney is arguably the most talented back on New England's roster but seems to be in Belichick's doghouse.

NE - RB Laurence Maroney dealing with assortment of ailments

Source: Monique Walker - The Boston Globe

New England Patriots RB Laurence Maroney (abdomen, groin, ankle) has been dealing with a number of issues, including an abdominal strain and groin and ankle injuries, reports Monique Walker, of The Boston Globe, according to a league source.

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Maroney seems to be perpetually banged up so this report is nothing new. We'll see if the Patriots decide to keep him around on the final roster.

NE - RB Laurence Maroney works with backups

Source: AP

New England Patriots RB Laurence Maroney finally saw extended playing time Thursday, Sept. 2, during the team's preseason finale. Working with the backup offense, Maroney rushed nine times for a team-high 32 yards.

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If Maroney is going to play a big role in the Pats backfield, we haven't seen evidence of it yet. Don't draft him, but be ready to pounce on the waiver wire when Fred Taylor and Sammy Morris begin to look their age.

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Patriots | Laurence Maroney unsure if he will start Week 1 Fri Sep 3, 12:45 PM

New England Patriots RB Laurence Maroney said he is not sure if he will start Week 1 but will prepare this week as if he is starting, reports Monique Walker, of The Boston Globe.

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It's hard to tell what all this means, but if Maroney's been dinged up this offseason, that would explain his limited playing time in the preseason games. As you can see, people were previously speculating that health was not an issue, but it sounds like they were wrong. Maroney also seems to be saying that he is preparing as the "starter", which doesn't necessarily mean much in New England, but certainly doesn't suggest he's been told he's getting cut or is in the doghouse. There may still be some value in this situation.

 

[renesauz]

Every once in awhile I'll come across someone who really expects big things from Maroney this year, and I just scratch my head. Haven't we learned that the RB in New England is absolutely worthless?

Maroney was not worthless last year when he was starting. He was a quality RB2 when the other guys were out. The downside case is that he relies on the other guys being out. The upside case is that those other three guys are over 100 years old combined.

You can start him for your team if you want. I'll pass. No one is winning any FF championships because of Maroney.

He didn't say someone would win a championship because of Maroney. You said the RB in NE is absolutely worthless, and he said Maroney wasn't worthless when he was starting, and he is correct. Maroney had several games last year where he was a nice RB2. I can see why some people would wonder if maybe Maroney proved himself enough during the time he served as NE's primary back last year, to be given that role again this year. Everyone realizes he got that roll because other fellow RBs were injured, and NE over the last few years have used an assortment of RBs. They have also had an assortment of RB injuries over the last few years. I remember back in 2004 when Cory Dillon had over 300 carries and 12 TD's for NE. Things don't always stay the same, even under the same General.

I guess it depends on what you are playing for. A championship team would probably never use Maroney in most formats. I guess if you have a bad or below average team, and you are desperate for bye-week help, he might be of use. But I just don't see how a team contending for a championship would have alot of use for Maroney, but that's jmo.

Contending teams never have a couple players out due to injuries and byes? You're right that Maroney will never be a key piece to a contending team...but that doesn't mean a contender could NEVER use a piece like that, even if only once or twice during the season.

 

[KGB]

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