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Maroney vs. DeAngelo Williams (1 Viewer)
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MLBrandow
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In my very biased opinion, DeAngelo Williams will start by week 3 if not the opener, while Maroney will not get any significant playing time until next year at the earliest.
If NE plans on implementing a zone-blocking scheme like the one he ran in at Minnesota, he's going to be a stud.
Otherwise, we're looking at Kevin Faulk #2.
Williams will be the centerpiece of a rush-oriented offense for the foreseeable future. The same cannot be said of Maroney.
If NE plans on implementing a zone-blocking scheme like the one he ran in at Minnesota, he's going to be a stud.
Otherwise, we're looking at Kevin Faulk #2.
Williams will be the centerpiece of a rush-oriented offense for the foreseeable future. The same cannot be said of Maroney.
ptsteelers
Footballguy
The ONLY reason I did not draft Willaims was his size.
I have NEVER been a fan of the "small back".
He will be fine however (Think of a certain Atl. RB ... Dunn
... But i took Maroney (2nd OA) and then followed with White (While Williams was still on the board)
I have NEVER been a fan of the "small back".
He will be fine however (Think of a certain Atl. RB ... Dunn
... But i took Maroney (2nd OA) and then followed with White (While Williams was still on the board)
jurb26
Footballguy
Gotta agree here. Maroney really just seems like a system RB to me. I was never all that impressed with him in college and I watch a good amount of Big 10 football. Williams seems like the more talented player and is in a better situation. He should not have much trouble at all in taking over for Foster and Maroney has Dillon there still. I like Williams over Maroney in both redraft and dynasty and drafted him and White ahead of Maroney.
Pantherz
Footballguy
I'm a little concerned about how Carolina may split the reps with Foster and Williams. I just think RBBC is more likely than having one guy carry the load. What is attractive to me about the Dillon /Maroney situation is that one of them will probably get the bulk of the carries. Sort of an all or nothing situation, but with big upside.
Alluro
Footballguy
I have DeAngelo on my team and I remember watching both in college and thinking DeAngelo was clearly the better player. However, when I go back now and look at the college highlight videos of both (youtube, yahoo), it seems like maroney might actually be just as if not more talented than DWill. We'll have to see how they both look in the pros..i do agree with the guy that said deangelo has a better chance to play this year though. Foster is Mr. Glass
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Jack Burton
Footballguy
I think both backs are talented and that it will come down to oportunity. Maroney looks to have a better chance at starting sooner. He has to beat out a thirty-two year old Dillon who's best days are behind him. Foster is twenty six and IF he can stay healthy will get the lions share for a while. Maroney should have the starting job in 07 maybe even late 06.
Neither will start this year barring injury to the guy's ahead of them.
For dynasty both are nice picks. But I would take Foster ahead of Williams because he is still young.
Redraft..mid round handcuff's if you feel you need to.
Foster is primed for a huge break out year, now that the job his is.
Everyone thinks he will get hurt again. Broken bones are bad luck....not injury prone nagging muscles injuires.
Foster is a stud when he plays.
He was in 15/16 regular season games last season and split with Davis.
For dynasty both are nice picks. But I would take Foster ahead of Williams because he is still young.
Redraft..mid round handcuff's if you feel you need to.
Foster is primed for a huge break out year, now that the job his is.
Everyone thinks he will get hurt again. Broken bones are bad luck....not injury prone nagging muscles injuires.
Foster is a stud when he plays.
He was in 15/16 regular season games last season and split with Davis.
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MLBrandow
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per nfl.comWilliams: 5-9, 217The ONLY reason I did not draft Willaims was his size.
I have NEVER been a fan of the "small back".
He will be fine however (Think of a certain Atl. RB ... Dunn
... But i took Maroney (2nd OA) and then followed with White (While Williams was still on the board)
Maroney: 5-11, 211
Dunn: 5-9, 180
Emmitt Smith: 5-10, 216
I think you just make stuff up.
You would do wise in listening to myself, jurb and Magaw. We don't make stuff up.I see the board is split. Y'all aren't making my #2 rookie RB pick any easier!
Fox, unlike some coaches, despises RBBC. Foster, like Tatum Bell, is a fantastic 3DB.As a starter, he's not durable enough.
Foster will be used enough to help keep Williams fresh. I'd say 7-10 carries as a ceiling, and for DWill, 20-25.
If they thought Foster was a stud in the making, they'd have not spent a first round pick on a blue-chip RB.
Here's a look at his starts:
2001:
IR
2002:
IR
2003:
v.TB - 22/56/0, 1/-2/0
v.DET - 21/76/0, 6/38/1
2004:
@KC - 32/174/1, 0/0/0
v.ATL - 19/51/1, 3/54/0
@DEN - 5/18/0, 2/0/0 (on IR after this game)
2005:
v.NE - 7/37/0, 1/23/0
v.TB - 14/46/0, 2/7/0
@NO - 21/75/0, 2/9/0
v.DAL - 22/68/0, 2/13/0
@ATL - 18/165/1, 0/0/0
@NYG - 27/151/0, 1/4/0
@CHI - 16/54/0, 1/3/0
Everyone remembers the ATL game where the Panthers basically beat up on a team who quit, trying to win the division.
And everyone remembers the Giants game where he ran all over a team with no linebackers.
Outside that is a lot of mediocre trash and a big game against KC.
In addition to the less-than-stellar career, he's got two seasons of IR and several season-ending leg injuries to his credit. It's certainly a viable concern to have, but a closer look at the numbers are more revealing to why CAR was so eager to select Williams in the draft.
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Noahs Troopers
Footballguy
A couple more:Walter Payton Height, 5-10. Weight, 202per nfl.comWilliams: 5-9, 217The ONLY reason I did not draft Willaims was his size.
I have NEVER been a fan of the "small back".
He will be fine however (Think of a certain Atl. RB ... Dunn
... But i took Maroney (2nd OA) and then followed with White (While Williams was still on the board)
Maroney: 5-11, 211
Dunn: 5-9, 180
Emmitt Smith: 5-10, 216
I think you just make stuff up.
You would do wise in listening to myself, jurb and Magaw. We don't make stuff up.I see the board is split. Y'all aren't making my #2 rookie RB pick any easier!Fox, unlike some coaches, despises RBBC. Foster, like Tatum Bell, is a fantastic 3DB.As a starter, he's not durable enough.
Foster will be used enough to help keep Williams fresh. I'd say 7-10 carries as a ceiling, and for DWill, 20-25.
If they thought Foster was a stud in the making, they'd have not spent a first round pick on a blue-chip RB.
Here's a look at his starts:
2001:
IR
2002:
IR
2003:
v.TB - 22/56/0, 1/-2/0
v.DET - 21/76/0, 6/38/1
2004:
@KC - 32/174/1, 0/0/0
v.ATL - 19/51/1, 3/54/0
@DEN - 5/18/0, 2/0/0 (on IR after this game)
2005:
v.NE - 7/37/0, 1/23/0
v.TB - 14/46/0, 2/7/0
@NO - 21/75/0, 2/9/0
v.DAL - 22/68/0, 2/13/0
@ATL - 18/165/1, 0/0/0
@NYG - 27/151/0, 1/4/0
@CHI - 16/54/0, 1/3/0
Everyone remembers the ATL game where the Panthers basically beat up on a team who quit, trying to win the division.
And everyone remembers the Giants game where he ran all over a team with no linebackers.
Outside that is a lot of mediocre trash and a big game against KC.
In addition to the less-than-stellar career, he's got two seasons of IR and several season-ending leg injuries to his credit. It's certainly a viable concern to have, but a closer look at the numbers are more revealing to why CAR was so eager to select Williams in the draft.
Ladanian Height: 5-10 Weight: 221
Barry Sanders: Height/Weight: 5-8/200
Emmitt Smith: 5-10, 216
Williams: 5-9, 217
I fail to see how being within ONE inch and TEN pounds of these guys could make Williams "Too anything". These are the Elite RBS of all time.
Noahs Troopers
Footballguy
Priest Holmes Height: 5-9 Weight: 213
Deangelo Williams 5-9, 217
So if DWill takes a big dump, he's IDENTICAL. Where is this size crap coming from?
Deangelo Williams 5-9, 217
So if DWill takes a big dump, he's IDENTICAL. Where is this size crap coming from?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Anyone know what is Foster's contract sitch?I lost my link.
Drafting an RB In the first round is not ALWAYS an indicator that the team is disappointed or has no faith in existing RBs. They will certainly expect a return on their investment, but if Foster is ready to go inthe next year or two, drafting an RB in round one is not indicative of all that much.
Moreover, given Foster's injury history, that would appear the greater concern than lack of confidence that he can do the job - I think the guy has all the SKILL necessary to be the primary ball carrier, but skill alone is not a team's primary driving force behind taking an RB early.
Jacksonville took Drew in round two despite a glut of RBs - there is little to no chance Drew sees the field much in 2006.
2007 on, however . . .
jurb26
Footballguy
If Car had drafted a guy like Drew and waited until round 2 to go RB, then I would fully agree with your stance here. They did not wait however and drafted the RB they had #2 on their board! Only Bush was ranked higher by Car. Not too mention that if a filler and injury replacement for Foster was what they really wanted, this draft was littered with strong RB prospects that could have been had much later. Calhoun, Drew and Norrwood would all have made great picks to simply backup Foster. The real problem I see here and I think Car sees as well is that despite the perception of Foster being an "elite" talent, he has never (with exception of a few playoff games) lived up to that on the field in 3 years. Sure he has missed time and been injured, but I'm not even using that to down play him. Just look at the numbers:
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| Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2003 car | 14 | 113 429 3.8 0 | 26 207 8.0 2 || 2004 car | 4 | 59 255 4.3 2 | 9 76 8.4 0 || 2005 car | 15 | 205 879 4.3 2 | 34 372 10.9 1 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 33 | 377 1563 4.1 4 | 69 655 9.5 3
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tomarken
Footballguy
I'm not so sure Foster is a stud. The numbers at least could be a little deceiving. For example, last year he averaged 4.28 ypc for the regular season. Two of his three career 100-yard games both came against Atlanta late in the season last year, and in both of those he had one big run that helped him top the 100-yd mark:2005 Week 13: 24 rushes, 131 yards, including a 30-yard run.
2005 Week 17: 18 rushes, 165 yards, including a 70-yard run.
If we take those two rushes out of the equation, his numbers change drastically:
2005 total: 205 rushes, 879 yards, 4.28 ypc.
2005 adjusted total (excluding those 2 runs): 203 rushes, 779 yards, 3.83 ypc.
The same exact thing happened in 2004 as well, in his only other career 100-yard game:
2004 Week 2: 32 rushes, 174 yards, including a 71-yard run.
2004 total: 59 rushes, 255 yards, 4.32 ypc.
2004 adjusted total (excluding that 1 run): 58 rushes, 184 yards, 3.17 ypc.
You might think that he benefits from an increased workload and if given the chance to start a whole season could put up big numbers. But here are the rest of the game logs from the end of last year when the job was his:
2005 Week 12: 22 rush, 74 yds, 3.36 ypc.
2005 Week 14: 14 rush, 46 yds, 3.29 ypc.
2005 Week 15: 21 rush, 75 yds, 3.57 ypc.
2005 Week 16: 22 rush, 68 yds, 3.09 ypc.
I'm not impressed.
You might have a problem with me dropping those big runs, but it's not completely arbitrary. Those are clearly not indicative of his typical performance and are drastically skewing his averages. Not to mention he has 4 career rushing TD's. Not exactly what I'm looking for in a stud RB.
You can make the case that he'll add receptions, he was splitting a lot of time with Davis, etc. But the fact is that he doesn't put up stellar numbers, and however you want to classify his injuries, he's made it a habit of getting hurt. He might have the breakout year we're all waiting for, but I'm not holding my breath. I think Williams will take over sooner rather than later.
ptsteelers
Footballguy
Ummm yeah ... thats what I doper nfl.comWilliams: 5-9, 217The ONLY reason I did not draft Willaims was his size.
I have NEVER been a fan of the "small back".
He will be fine however (Think of a certain Atl. RB ... Dunn
... But i took Maroney (2nd OA) and then followed with White (While Williams was still on the board)
Maroney: 5-11, 211
Dunn: 5-9, 180
Emmitt Smith: 5-10, 216
I think you just make stuff up.
I meant ... and I guess I should have explained more in detail ... obviously ..
Size, as far as height and weight ... not just weight.
I will take a 5' 11" 215 pounder, before I take a 5' 9" 215 pounder.
And to all the guys tat are posting backs with similar stature ....
I said he will be fine ...
Right ?
Nowhere did I say he is too small ...
Right.
JEEZ ...
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Noahs Troopers
Footballguy
So according to you Emmitt, Barry, Walter, LT, Priest all stink? Uh ok.Ummm yeah ... thats what I doper nfl.comWilliams: 5-9, 217The ONLY reason I did not draft Willaims was his size.
I have NEVER been a fan of the "small back".
He will be fine however (Think of a certain Atl. RB ... Dunn
... But i took Maroney (2nd OA) and then followed with White (While Williams was still on the board)
Maroney: 5-11, 211
Dunn: 5-9, 180
Emmitt Smith: 5-10, 216
I think you just make stuff up.
I meant ... and I guess I should have explained more in detail ... obviously ..
Size, as far as height and weight ... not just weight.
I will take a 5' 11" 215 pounder, before I take a 5' 9" 215 pounder.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Do you think THAT had more to do with the selection than whether or not Foster is able to do the job?That pick, IMO, does not mean they are planning to run Foster into a 3DB role. IMO, they feel they got a gift RB to fall into their lap in round one - they obviously thought he'd be gone by the time they picked if he was the #2 RB on their board.
Either way, can anyone help me out with Foster's K situation?
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Tx, Jene
Edit - with a baloon like that next year, drafting an RB this year was key - another injury for foster or lack of performance and they can cut him and release HUGE chunks of salary cap room.
IMO, it was a business decision, not a football decision - IMO, Foster will be the starter unless he gets hurt, and drafting Williams had nothing to do with the team's faith in his ability.
Edit - with a baloon like that next year, drafting an RB this year was key - another injury for foster or lack of performance and they can cut him and release HUGE chunks of salary cap room.
IMO, it was a business decision, not a football decision - IMO, Foster will be the starter unless he gets hurt, and drafting Williams had nothing to do with the team's faith in his ability.
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This 5'9" 217 listing of Deangelo Williams is garbage. He measured in at the combine at 5'8 1/2" 207 lbs. And he has had a couple pretty serious injurys in college already. He doesnt have break away speed and has hands of stone. Not to mention the offense Memphis ran always had their RB in motion before taking hand offs, very weird and unlike anything in the NFL. Laurence Maroney is the best RB in this years class followed by LeDale White then Bush. Mark it down people.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Let me comment on Foster's salary.He signed for $14.5M, for 3 years, so he's essentially getting $5.5M this year and $9M over the next two.
Either way - paying $5.5M for one year for Foster isn't that big a deal. If the contract was more front-loaded or there were cap issues (right now Foster's cap number should be $1M + 1/3 of $4.5M signing bonus, or $2.5M), then I could foresee a problem.
In most every scenario I can envision, Foster is cut (or renegotiated) after 2006.
Marc, that is not what happened at all. I live in Memphis and have been a huge Deangelo fan for years. Carolina wanted him bad. It wasnt a "fall in the lap" deal where they just took BPA. It was in the papers in Memphis in the weeks leading up to the draft that Deangelo was their guy. period. they absolutely loved him, and my opinion is that CAR valued him closer to a top 10 talent. I thoguht he was a top 10 player all along. I don't know anyone who has actually seen Deangelo play 20 plus times that doesnt think he is a star in the making. Deangelo is far more talented that Maroney IMO.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
???you are making my point. They loved him as a top-10 talent - he was there when they had their first round pick - their faith in Foster as a starting RB (therefore) has nothing to do with them picking Williams in round one.
Alluro
Footballguy
DeAngelo Williams ran an official 4.38 forty at his pro day.On a hard, slippery Memphis track, Williams ran a 4.42 into the wind and was timed as fast as 4.36. The former Tigers' star has been on the rise since a marvelous showing at the Senior Bowl and his fast forty time will only help his stock.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...ort=NFL&id=3611
I don't know what you define as breakaway speed, but I think a 4.38 is fast enough to succeed in the NFL. I don't have the combine measurements so i'll take your word for it. But even if true, you think that half inch matters that much? And a broken leg was certainly a bad injury, but he seemed to be back to form last year and obviously did well at his pro day, combine, and senior bowl...Don't get me wrong, I love laurence maroney as a prospect too, i just don't get the DWill hate.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Link?In any case this measurment seems to be in error unless you think NFL.com is wrong? Honestly I cannot think of a more official source.
Those injuries do not seem to have effected his ability at all when he came back just as strong or stronger after them. So what makes them so serious?
He has been clocked in the 4.4 range. How fast does he need to be?
Link?I have read scouting reports that questioned his pass blocking technique but nothing but positives in regards to his ability to catch the ball. Perhaps you are confusing Williams with Maroney?
Thats interesting. Never heard that before.
Noted.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
thank you - i didn't want to jump in without all the numbers, but I recall Williams' big thing was tearing off HUGE runs and BREAKING AWAY from the pack while scoring long TDs.Also, that thing abou tthe back in motion before the handoff? Don't ALL backs go in motion before the handoff? Like, towards the LOS????? Or does the QB run back and hand the ball to a stationary RB who then starts running??????
I see it as having just as much to do with a lack of faith in Foster as it does with Stephen Davis' soon to be retirement (if he hasn't already retired.) For 2 seasons in a row, Carolina has gotten all the way down to their 4th string RB due to injuries. In much of '04, and parts of '05 they had to start games with their backup FB(Goings)! There was little doubt they would be taking a RB in the draft with Davis now done.If Foster can stay healthy, I fear we'll see the RBBC like last year with Davis. Anything for Carolina to keep their backs healthy and their running game centered offense rolling.
5'10" 217
Williams averaged 2 catches, 20.66 yards per game over his NCAA career with his longest being an 80 yard TD reception.
http://gotigersgo.cstv.com
5'9" 213
"After heaing so many great things about Williams' ability, the on-field play was a little lacking."
"has the quick feet, athleticism and the make-you-miss ability that is hard to find."
"Has very good vision and instincts, which help him consistently find the correct hole and has the quickness to get through it, but he lacks the explosiveness and top-end speed to take runs the distance."
While he has the strength and balance to run through arm tackles and to keep his feet against hard hits, Williams has not shown the ability to break tackles."
Overall NFL.com draft grade: 5.7 - "Backup player/special teams player & project players"
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/williams_deangelo
Laurence Maroney
6' 216
Final Grade: 6.2 - Good starting player
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/maroney_laurence
Hmmm....
Williams averaged 2 catches, 20.66 yards per game over his NCAA career with his longest being an 80 yard TD reception.
http://gotigersgo.cstv.com
5'9" 213
"After heaing so many great things about Williams' ability, the on-field play was a little lacking."
"has the quick feet, athleticism and the make-you-miss ability that is hard to find."
"Has very good vision and instincts, which help him consistently find the correct hole and has the quickness to get through it, but he lacks the explosiveness and top-end speed to take runs the distance."
While he has the strength and balance to run through arm tackles and to keep his feet against hard hits, Williams has not shown the ability to break tackles."
Overall NFL.com draft grade: 5.7 - "Backup player/special teams player & project players"
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/williams_deangelo
Laurence Maroney
6' 216
Final Grade: 6.2 - Good starting player
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/maroney_laurence
Hmmm....
Kleck.
Footballguy
I don't believe you can go wrong with either, however my personal preference is Maroney. I like it that he is 2 years younger than Deangelo and has a lot less touches. Once Maroney takes over in New England I don't see him losing much time on 3rd downs or short yardage/goalline. I believe Deangelo will be the primary RB for Carolina before too long, but I also believe Eric Shelton will improve and steal some TDs.
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MLBrandow
Guest
You realize it's not hard to bulk up 10 lbs in a few months?Cadillac Williams did exactly that last offseason. He was 205 when he was drafted and 217 when camp opened.
He's the perfect playing weight, and the numerous typos plus outlandish claims you make seriously depreciate your ethos as "random poster" (already very low).
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You guys digging Carolina's offensive line? Any worries in the run blocking there?
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
Williams isn't going to beat out Deshaun Foster. He's going to need Foster to get injured again in order to get his chance to take the reigns. If past injuries are any indication, there's a decent shot that might happen. But Foster is still relatively young, so who knows?Dillon is the starter in New England. They aren't in a rush to get Maroney going, and have the opportunity to develop his skill set throughout the year. He should get 5-6 carries per game on average, IMO.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
Belechick plays his high draft picks. He does not draft projects or guys that he thinks need to be groomed that high. Bottomline. When you throw in the facts that the Patriots had other pretty prominent needs and could have gone in other directions at that draft spot and the concerns about Dillon slowing down, you can see that Maroney may not only have the best situation of all the rookie running backs, but possibly the most upside since he is viewed by New England as an every down back. I predict a big year, and career, for Maroney.
fatboyj711
Footballguy
dillon may be slowing down, but considering how much the pats pass, maroney will be feeding off scraps unless dillon gets hurt (which is very possible)...
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MLBrandow
Guest
Good bump Routilla, as there is some pro analysis in this thread IMO.Still believe Foster is on the bench soon after the season starts, injury or not.
For those of you that say that Brady will be throwing the ball this depends. IMHO without Branch in camp they will be running the ball more. Dillon in the past was not getting a lot of yards but was still getting the TDS. Maroney will definitely be unseating Dillon this year the question is how soon.
For DeAngelo, he has to wait until Foster is injured. For my money, I would rather have Maroney sitting on my bench in a re-draft than Williams any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
For DeAngelo, he has to wait until Foster is injured. For my money, I would rather have Maroney sitting on my bench in a re-draft than Williams any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Kleck.
Footballguy
In 2004, NE was the 5th highest team in rushing attempts with 524. Considering they went through a few RBs last year because of injuries, and also had to rotate some Olineman because of injury, they didn't have much of a choice but pass at times.Based on the past 5 years, NE has averaged 461 rushing attempts per year with an average rank of 14th. That includes last years low output and another banged up year in 2002, not to mention Antowain Smith being the primary ball carrier in three of those years.
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Footballguy
In reviewing the film on these guys it appears that Maroney is quicker on his cut back. Williams stride seems kind of funky to me.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
1st of all I just want to say I think both of these rookie Rbs are excellent players and I think it is very hard to choose one of them over the other. Both of them are going to be good imho.
The Panthers have shown a slightly greater commitment to the run over the past 4 years than the Patriots have.
2005 Panthers 487 rushing attempts. Used Davis/Foster in tandem.
2004 Panthers 422 rushing attempts. Davis/Foster both used Goings.
2003 Panthers 521 rushing attempts. Davis 318/Foster 113 COP Rb.
2002 Panthers 452 rushing attempts. Lamar Smith/Dee Brown/Goings.
Panthers average 470.5 rushing attempts a season.
2005 Patriots 439 rushing attempts. Dillon missed 4 games 209 carries.
2004 Patriots 524 rushing attempts. Dillon 345 carries/ Faulk 54.
2003 Patriots 473 rushing attempts. Ant Smith/Faulk split pretty evenly.
2002 Patriots 395 rushing attempts. Ant Smith 252 carries/Faulk 52.
Patriots average 457.75 rushing attempts a season.
If we are focusing solely on thier prospects for 2006, well then lets look at that:
NE - The Patriots lost David Givens n free agency and right now Branch is holding out. The team is being forced to adjust. They have never had 2 very good Rbs like they have in Dillon and Maroney before. They still have Kevin Faulk as well who is a great COP and 3rd down Rb that can make things happen in space off swing passes and on draws.
The Patriots have probobly the best set of TEs in the league. They can really confuse defenses expecialy the Lbers and safeties with play action by establishing the running game.
I expect the Patriots to run the ball a lot more this year. Brady can always be trusted to convert 3rd downs and keep drives going even if the running game is not picking up great ypc. They won a super Bowl doing exactly this with Antwain Smith. I think Dillon even at his ripening age is better than Smith was. I also think the Pats line has improved over the past couple seasons overcoming injuries and getting many of thier linemen valuable experience.
I don't think the Pats defense, particularly thier Lbers are as good now as they have been in recent years. The defensive line is dominant but the backfield and Lbers will give up too many 1st downs. As the Pats gve up points they will have to throw the ball more to catch up. I think this will keep the pass to run ratio pretty balanced but the Pats will certainly be more focused and commited to running the ball than they were last year.
I still think Dillon is the man. He played through some injuries last year which was part of his struggles. I don't see Maroney beating out Dillon if he is healthy. Dillon is a better Rb than Foster. The only thing that makes them close is because Dillon is old and might wear down/ not perform up to snuff because of decline brought on by age. If Dillon performs well I don't see Maroney getting many carries. Although he certainly will be used to spell Dillon at times during games.
If Dillon does go down to injury then Maroney looks to be in a situation where he will get all of the carries on 1st and 2nd down. But I would still expect Kevin Faulk to have the 3rd down Rb role.
The Panthers imo look like a better team overall than the Patriots are. They have a very solid defense that I think can limit opponents from scoring more so than the Patriots defense can.
The Panthers also have a solid offensive line. I don't see an advantage for either team in this regard. I think both teams offensive lines are above average.
The Panthers have Steve Smith at Wr who really demands a lot of attention of opposing defenses. They can use him to spread the defense out and create mismatches for thier running game. They also added MeShawn Johnson who is a upgrade at Wr 2. A good blocker and generaly a clutch reciever who can make 1st downs when needed.
I don't think Delhome is as good of a Qb as Brady. He will make costly mistakes at times. But he does have better weapons to work with so overall I see this balancing out. Although the Patriots have had more total offensive plays than the Panthers have in the recent past.
Foster unlike Dillon has never been the feature Rb for long. He has always shared carries and still was often injured. When one considers how poorly Stephen Davis played last year 3.0 ypc and yet they still had him carry that ball 180 times. I think it indicates that they don't trust Foster to stay healthy as a feature Rb. Foster had 205 carries last year getting the bulk of his work later on in the season after Davis wore down.
Deshaun Foster 2005:
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
| WK OPP | RSH YD | RECYD | TD |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
| 1 nor | 9 41 | 15 | 0 |
| 2 nwe | 7 37 | 23 | 0 |
| 3 mia | 8 27 | 48 | 0 |
| 4 gnb | 9 38 | 55 | 0 |
| 5 ari | 8 42 | 47 | 0 |
| 8 min | 12 51 | 8 | 0 |
| 9 tam | 16 23 | 16 | 0 |
| 10 nyj | 6 20 | 43 | 0 |
| 11 chi | 9 41 | 20 | 0 |
| 12 buf | 22 74 | 24 | 0 |
| 13 atl | 24 131 | 49 | 2 |
| 14 tam | 14 46 | 2 | 0 |
| 15 nor | 21 75 | 9 | 0 |
| 16 dal | 22 68 | 13 | 0 |
| 17 atl | 18 165 | 0 | 1 |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
| TOTAL | 205 879 | 372 | 3 |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
I think it is important to note that Foster once again was injured during the postseason as the Panthers were making a playoff push.
I see it being more likely that the Panthers will use Deangelo Williams in tandem with Foster than I see the Patriots significantly spelling Dillon. Dillon is a workhorse Foster is not. It may be that the Panthers see Foster as a Rb who can be effective if not used too much. That remains to be seen. But I like Williams chances to get significant carries even with a healthy Foster than I see for Maroney.
I believe that Williams is the most talented Rb out of any of these Rbs here. And if I am right that Carolina gives him the opportunity to show that then he could beat out Foster even without an injury. I don't see the same opportunity for Maroney to win the job from Dillon unless Dillon performs poorly.
I see greater risk of a RBBC in Carolina than I do in New England though.
The Panthers have shown a slightly greater commitment to the run over the past 4 years than the Patriots have.
2005 Panthers 487 rushing attempts. Used Davis/Foster in tandem.
2004 Panthers 422 rushing attempts. Davis/Foster both used Goings.
2003 Panthers 521 rushing attempts. Davis 318/Foster 113 COP Rb.
2002 Panthers 452 rushing attempts. Lamar Smith/Dee Brown/Goings.
Panthers average 470.5 rushing attempts a season.
2005 Patriots 439 rushing attempts. Dillon missed 4 games 209 carries.
2004 Patriots 524 rushing attempts. Dillon 345 carries/ Faulk 54.
2003 Patriots 473 rushing attempts. Ant Smith/Faulk split pretty evenly.
2002 Patriots 395 rushing attempts. Ant Smith 252 carries/Faulk 52.
Patriots average 457.75 rushing attempts a season.
If we are focusing solely on thier prospects for 2006, well then lets look at that:
NE - The Patriots lost David Givens n free agency and right now Branch is holding out. The team is being forced to adjust. They have never had 2 very good Rbs like they have in Dillon and Maroney before. They still have Kevin Faulk as well who is a great COP and 3rd down Rb that can make things happen in space off swing passes and on draws.
The Patriots have probobly the best set of TEs in the league. They can really confuse defenses expecialy the Lbers and safeties with play action by establishing the running game.
I expect the Patriots to run the ball a lot more this year. Brady can always be trusted to convert 3rd downs and keep drives going even if the running game is not picking up great ypc. They won a super Bowl doing exactly this with Antwain Smith. I think Dillon even at his ripening age is better than Smith was. I also think the Pats line has improved over the past couple seasons overcoming injuries and getting many of thier linemen valuable experience.
I don't think the Pats defense, particularly thier Lbers are as good now as they have been in recent years. The defensive line is dominant but the backfield and Lbers will give up too many 1st downs. As the Pats gve up points they will have to throw the ball more to catch up. I think this will keep the pass to run ratio pretty balanced but the Pats will certainly be more focused and commited to running the ball than they were last year.
I still think Dillon is the man. He played through some injuries last year which was part of his struggles. I don't see Maroney beating out Dillon if he is healthy. Dillon is a better Rb than Foster. The only thing that makes them close is because Dillon is old and might wear down/ not perform up to snuff because of decline brought on by age. If Dillon performs well I don't see Maroney getting many carries. Although he certainly will be used to spell Dillon at times during games.
If Dillon does go down to injury then Maroney looks to be in a situation where he will get all of the carries on 1st and 2nd down. But I would still expect Kevin Faulk to have the 3rd down Rb role.
The Panthers imo look like a better team overall than the Patriots are. They have a very solid defense that I think can limit opponents from scoring more so than the Patriots defense can.
The Panthers also have a solid offensive line. I don't see an advantage for either team in this regard. I think both teams offensive lines are above average.
The Panthers have Steve Smith at Wr who really demands a lot of attention of opposing defenses. They can use him to spread the defense out and create mismatches for thier running game. They also added MeShawn Johnson who is a upgrade at Wr 2. A good blocker and generaly a clutch reciever who can make 1st downs when needed.
I don't think Delhome is as good of a Qb as Brady. He will make costly mistakes at times. But he does have better weapons to work with so overall I see this balancing out. Although the Patriots have had more total offensive plays than the Panthers have in the recent past.
Foster unlike Dillon has never been the feature Rb for long. He has always shared carries and still was often injured. When one considers how poorly Stephen Davis played last year 3.0 ypc and yet they still had him carry that ball 180 times. I think it indicates that they don't trust Foster to stay healthy as a feature Rb. Foster had 205 carries last year getting the bulk of his work later on in the season after Davis wore down.
Deshaun Foster 2005:
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
| WK OPP | RSH YD | RECYD | TD |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
| 1 nor | 9 41 | 15 | 0 |
| 2 nwe | 7 37 | 23 | 0 |
| 3 mia | 8 27 | 48 | 0 |
| 4 gnb | 9 38 | 55 | 0 |
| 5 ari | 8 42 | 47 | 0 |
| 8 min | 12 51 | 8 | 0 |
| 9 tam | 16 23 | 16 | 0 |
| 10 nyj | 6 20 | 43 | 0 |
| 11 chi | 9 41 | 20 | 0 |
| 12 buf | 22 74 | 24 | 0 |
| 13 atl | 24 131 | 49 | 2 |
| 14 tam | 14 46 | 2 | 0 |
| 15 nor | 21 75 | 9 | 0 |
| 16 dal | 22 68 | 13 | 0 |
| 17 atl | 18 165 | 0 | 1 |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
| TOTAL | 205 879 | 372 | 3 |
+----------+-------------+--------+----+
I think it is important to note that Foster once again was injured during the postseason as the Panthers were making a playoff push.
I see it being more likely that the Panthers will use Deangelo Williams in tandem with Foster than I see the Patriots significantly spelling Dillon. Dillon is a workhorse Foster is not. It may be that the Panthers see Foster as a Rb who can be effective if not used too much. That remains to be seen. But I like Williams chances to get significant carries even with a healthy Foster than I see for Maroney.
I believe that Williams is the most talented Rb out of any of these Rbs here. And if I am right that Carolina gives him the opportunity to show that then he could beat out Foster even without an injury. I don't see the same opportunity for Maroney to win the job from Dillon unless Dillon performs poorly.
I see greater risk of a RBBC in Carolina than I do in New England though.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
I just took Deangelo at 3.03; Maroney went 2.10 if anyone cares....(initial Dynasty draft, PPr)
houndirish
Footballguy
I like both these guys. I had DW ranked higher in my rookie rankings. Maroney went 3rd and Williams amazingly slipped to me at 5. I thought Maroney's stock was inflating a bit too much simply because he was drafted by Belichek. However after seeing him in some preseason action I have to admit he's looked impressive.
Bottom line, for dynasty purposes, I don't think either guy disappoints.
Bottom line, for dynasty purposes, I don't think either guy disappoints.
kevinallen
Footballguy
Bottom line is you're going to get people telling you to Draft Maroney simply because they did, and others telling you to Draft Williams because that's what they did. I drafted both of these cats, and I'll give the slight edge to Maroney. Maroney probably has the best chance to see the field the quickest. That being next year, with Dillon getting up there in age.Edited: I dont think you can go wrong with either player, though.
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Pedro Cerrano Fan
Footballguy
Wow... he looks VERY cuttable after this season.
