Marshall to Seattle...? (1 Viewer)

[fridayfrenzy]

With the news of what Boldin was traded for, there is absolutely no way Seattle trades either of their 1st picks for Marshall.

 

[PDX Pain]

John Clayton was just on the radio up here in Seattle....said there is NO WAY the Hawks move either #6 or #14 for BMarsh. Biggest reason is BM would have to get a huge contract extension and there is no way an NFL team would trade a top draft pick AND pay that kind of coin. He expects the Hawks to find out what kind of money it would take to sign him to a long term deal and then work on a trade with Denver. Clayton thinks a 2nd this year and the Hawks 3rd in 2011 would get the deal done for Denver.

Odd. This is what I said, yet the Bronco fans seem to think it is HAS to be the 6th pick.

Did Marshall actually SIGN the tender? I don't believe he did. Denver just placed the tender on him. If he hasn't signed the tender, as from what I can tell, then both teams can negotiate. I may be way off here, but I think that's how it works. If Marshall signed the tender then yes, Seattle would have to give up the #6.Anyone? Am I off here?

 

[Donnybrook]

there's no chance Marshall fetches Denver a top 15 pick. none. much more likely the two teams work out a deal in which the highest pick is a 2nd.

I agree. I might be out to lunch but I thought he would end up going to Washington for the 2.04. That seems like fair compensation for a WR that wants a huge contract and could be suspended at any time.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

John Clayton was just on the radio up here in Seattle....said there is NO WAY the Hawks move either #6 or #14 for BMarsh. Biggest reason is BM would have to get a huge contract extension and there is no way an NFL team would trade a top draft pick AND pay that kind of coin. He expects the Hawks to find out what kind of money it would take to sign him to a long term deal and then work on a trade with Denver. Clayton thinks a 2nd this year and the Hawks 3rd in 2011 would get the deal done for Denver.

Odd. This is what I said, yet the Bronco fans seem to think it is HAS to be the 6th pick.

Did Marshall actually SIGN the tender? I don't believe he did. Denver just placed the tender on him. If he hasn't signed the tender, as from what I can tell, then both teams can negotiate. I may be way off here, but I think that's how it works. If Marshall signed the tender then yes, Seattle would have to give up the #6.Anyone? Am I off here?

Seattle has not signed it. Yes, if they did sign then they would have to give up the 1.06. My assumption is that they are bringing in Marshall to work out a contract, send him on his way and not sign the offer sheet. Then Seattle will get into trade negotiations with the Broncos knowing that they have a contract worked out with Marshall and negotiate something less than the 1st rounder tender..

 

[Buffaloes]

If Seattle signs him to an offer sheet and the Broncos do not match they will get the #6 pick. Its RFA rules and there should be no talk of the 6 or 14 cause there isnt a decision to be made. And mark it down, Denver will not draft the 6 and 11 spots. One of those picks will be moved. Or both to move up even higher. No way Bowlen pays 1st round contracts to 2 players in the top 11 draft slots. If Denver can get the 6th overall for BMarsh they should pull the trigger, won't get better than that. And why draft Dez Bryant when they just shipped a malcontent WR out of town? That makes no sense.

I agree no way that Denver keeps both 1st round pick, that's why i was wondering if a 2nd and 4th was a fair exchange. Why would they except a 2nd and 4th when they will receive the 6th and move it for better.

I could see the Broncos trying to move both to move up higher and get Bradford or one of the DTs. Or trade the 11th to move back and pickup additional picks to fill more needs. If they draft Dez at 6th they should just keep Marshall as he is a proven WR. But Marshall won't play another down as a Bronco.

They are discussing this on talk radio right now. Agree noway they take a WR at 6th.

Drafting Okung if he is available wouldn't be a bad move. Having him and Clady as bookends on the O line would help the offense tremendously. But I could see them grabbing Bradford or Clausen.

The Broncos don't need a RT. Ryan Harris was fine until he went on IR.

 

[nicole320]

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[az_prof]

Darrent Williams murder trial going on in Denver. Turns out Brandon Marshall instigated the altercation that led the gangsters to shoot Williams; apparently they were trying to kill Marshall. No way Marshall stays on the Broncos in 2010.

Agreed. It was doubtful before the season started, but with this news coming out there is no way he stays. The fans will ever like him.

isnt' this really old news? I haven't even followed the situation closely but I've heard that before...

It's old news that he was involved, but pretty certain it's new information that he was the actual target and the primary instigator.

"Instigate" is a strong word. It implies that he was responsible. Do you know what he did to "instigate"? Is he on trial? It bothers me when people try and condemn soeone when they don't know the facts. Let's remember that he didn't kill Williams.

 

[Hooper31]

John Clayton was just on the radio up here in Seattle....said there is NO WAY the Hawks move either #6 or #14 for BMarsh. Biggest reason is BM would have to get a huge contract extension and there is no way an NFL team would trade a top draft pick AND pay that kind of coin. He expects the Hawks to find out what kind of money it would take to sign him to a long term deal and then work on a trade with Denver. Clayton thinks a 2nd this year and the Hawks 3rd in 2011 would get the deal done for Denver.

This sounds reasonable. As a Seattle fan, I hope this happens.

 

[Hooper31]

Looking at it this way, why would Seattle be looking at this? Must be something all ready being worked on between Denver and Seattle.

Depends on what you value. For me, I will would take Marshall at his age over any prospect, and I mean any. The list of drafted "can't miss" WRs that have been total busts is very long. Bryant could easily join this list in my opinion. Any player drafted this year is a potential bust. If he gets paid, I don't Marshall will be near the distraction that others make him out to be. Time will tell.

 

[az_prof]

With the news of what Boldin was traded for, there is absolutely no way Seattle trades either of their 1st picks for Marshall.

Boldin is 30 years old and often injured. Marshall is 26.

 

[az_prof]

John Clayton was just on the radio up here in Seattle....said there is NO WAY the Hawks move either #6 or #14 for BMarsh. Biggest reason is BM would have to get a huge contract extension and there is no way an NFL team would trade a top draft pick AND pay that kind of coin. He expects the Hawks to find out what kind of money it would take to sign him to a long term deal and then work on a trade with Denver. Clayton thinks a 2nd this year and the Hawks 3rd in 2011 would get the deal done for Denver.

Odd. This is what I said, yet the Bronco fans seem to think it is HAS to be the 6th pick.

Did Marshall actually SIGN the tender? I don't believe he did. Denver just placed the tender on him. If he hasn't signed the tender, as from what I can tell, then both teams can negotiate. I may be way off here, but I think that's how it works. If Marshall signed the tender then yes, Seattle would have to give up the #6.Anyone? Am I off here?

Seattle has not signed it. Yes, if they did sign then they would have to give up the 1.06. My assumption is that they are bringing in Marshall to work out a contract, send him on his way and not sign the offer sheet. Then Seattle will get into trade negotiations with the Broncos knowing that they have a contract worked out with Marshall and negotiate something less than the 1st rounder tender..

Something like this. Or, they could work out a deal for the 14th round pick rather than the 6th round pick. This is what I expect. I would guess that the team also grilled Marshall about his character issue questions. If he did well in the interview and if they can agree to terms of a long term contract, I would bet that Seattle trades the 14th round pick for Marshall.Would this be good or bad for Marshall? Would it be good or bad to have Housh on the other side? Who is going to be the QB in Seattle?

 

[senor peso 2006]

Would this be good or bad for Marshall? Would it be good or bad to have Housh on the other side? Who is going to be the QB in Seattle?

From what I hear on sports radio in Seattle, Hasselback for the next year or two (barring injury). They will address the QB position this draft, but it kind of depends on what happens with Marshall regarding what round of the draft they do this. If they can get this done for a second and third pick instead of a first, then I think they will grab a QB in the first round. If it cost them a first round pick, then I'd guess 3rd and or deeper.

 

[n20]

With the news of what Boldin was traded for, there is absolutely no way Seattle trades either of their 1st picks for Marshall.

What are you basing that on? First of all these receivers are at two completely different points on their career curves. Secondly, with Boldin off the market there's one less stud receiver option available and therefore absolutely worth trading for if WR is one of your key needs... which it is for the Seahawks.I think what we can read into this visit up to Seattle is the obvious; The Seahawks are checking him out, getting a feel for his salary demands and weighing their options.I think AZ_Prof is right on in his assessment that if Marshall is going to be a Seahawk then the Broncos will get the 14th overall for him.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

With the news of what Boldin was traded for, there is absolutely no way Seattle trades either of their 1st picks for Marshall.

Boldin is 30 years old and often injured. Marshall is 26.

Marshall is one altercation away from being suspended for a year, and has been a distraction for the Broncos for quite some time.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Per Schefter Twitter - Brandon Marshall in Seattle, but not expected to sign offer sheet today. Doesn't mean it won't get done, but not today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4971561

 

[Mile High]

With the news of what Boldin was traded for, there is absolutely no way Seattle trades either of their 1st picks for Marshall.

What are you basing that on? First of all these receivers are at two completely different points on their career curves. Secondly, with Boldin off the market there's one less stud receiver option available and therefore absolutely worth trading for if WR is one of your key needs... which it is for the Seahawks.I think what we can read into this visit up to Seattle is the obvious; The Seahawks are checking him out, getting a feel for his salary demands and weighing their options.I think AZ_Prof is right on in his assessment that if Marshall is going to be a Seahawk then the Broncos will get the 14th overall for him.

If broncos get back the 14 pick they had, the calls of Macdumbass will get louder here. That will be trading Marshall for Alphonso Smith

 

[Mile High]

With the news of what Boldin was traded for, there is absolutely no way Seattle trades either of their 1st picks for Marshall.

What are you basing that on? First of all these receivers are at two completely different points on their career curves. Secondly, with Boldin off the market there's one less stud receiver option available and therefore absolutely worth trading for if WR is one of your key needs... which it is for the Seahawks.I think what we can read into this visit up to Seattle is the obvious; The Seahawks are checking him out, getting a feel for his salary demands and weighing their options.I think AZ_Prof is right on in his assessment that if Marshall is going to be a Seahawk then the Broncos will get the 14th overall for him.

If broncos get back the 14 pick they had, the calls of Macdumbass will get louder here. That will be trading Marshall for Alphonso Smith

wouldn't it be like trading Alphonso Smith and who ever they get with the 1.14 for Brandon Marshall?

The 14 pick is the pick Denver gave to Seattle for their 2 round pick last year. If they didn't make that trade Denver would have the 11 and 14 this year.

 

[n20]

With the news of what Boldin was traded for, there is absolutely no way Seattle trades either of their 1st picks for Marshall.

What are you basing that on? First of all these receivers are at two completely different points on their career curves. Secondly, with Boldin off the market there's one less stud receiver option available and therefore absolutely worth trading for if WR is one of your key needs... which it is for the Seahawks.I think what we can read into this visit up to Seattle is the obvious; The Seahawks are checking him out, getting a feel for his salary demands and weighing their options.I think AZ_Prof is right on in his assessment that if Marshall is going to be a Seahawk then the Broncos will get the 14th overall for him.

If broncos get back the 14 pick they had, the calls of Macdumbass will get louder here. That will be trading Marshall for Alphonso Smith

Yes indeed, they will. Trust me, being a fan of one of the most well respected franchises in the game and watching it crumble over the years isn't fun... Sadly, I think that's what we're watching in Denver right now. Back to Marshall; Chris Egan just tweeted that Marshall landed via sea plane with Pete Carroll there to greet him and that Hass is waiting at headquarters to show him around. Sounds like they're rolling out the blue and radioactive green carpet.

 

[Mile High]

With the news of what Boldin was traded for, there is absolutely no way Seattle trades either of their 1st picks for Marshall.

What are you basing that on? First of all these receivers are at two completely different points on their career curves. Secondly, with Boldin off the market there's one less stud receiver option available and therefore absolutely worth trading for if WR is one of your key needs... which it is for the Seahawks.I think what we can read into this visit up to Seattle is the obvious; The Seahawks are checking him out, getting a feel for his salary demands and weighing their options.I think AZ_Prof is right on in his assessment that if Marshall is going to be a Seahawk then the Broncos will get the 14th overall for him.

If broncos get back the 14 pick they had, the calls of Macdumbass will get louder here. That will be trading Marshall for Alphonso Smith

Yes indeed, they will. Trust me, being a fan of one of the most well respected franchises in the game and watching it crumble over the years isn't fun... Sadly, I think that's what we're watching in Denver right now. Back to Marshall; Chris Egan just tweeted that Marshall landed via sea plane with Pete Carroll there to greet him and that Hass is waiting at headquarters to show him around. Sounds like they're rolling out the blue and radioactive green carpet.

Yes it is sad. When Pat Bowlen was wanting the taxpayers to fund his new stadium he was considered one of the owners who cared about winning. Since then he has became one who cares more about money.Edited to add:Not saying I blame him for wanting to make money, just how he was changed.

 

[phthalatemagic]

With the news of what Boldin was traded for, there is absolutely no way Seattle trades either of their 1st picks for Marshall.

What are you basing that on? First of all these receivers are at two completely different points on their career curves. Secondly, with Boldin off the market there's one less stud receiver option available and therefore absolutely worth trading for if WR is one of your key needs... which it is for the Seahawks.

They may be at different points in their careers, but both of them will play out a 4 or so year contract. That's all that matters. Secondly, the Seahawks need OL much, much more than they need another WR. TJH, Branch, Carlson, and Deion Butler is enough for now.

 

[lyon812]

They may be at different points in their careers, but both of them will play out a 4 or so year contract. That's all that matters. Secondly, the Seahawks need OL much, much more than they need another WR. TJH, Branch, Carlson, and Deion Butler is enough for now.

Enough? If you want pedestrian receivers that can't get separation and lack playmaking ability, sure. But having suffered through the Seahawks' terrible season, trust me, they lack any sort of dynamism on offense aside from the occasional "look at him go!" play by Forsett. The current crop is not enough.

 

[phthalatemagic]

They may be at different points in their careers, but both of them will play out a 4 or so year contract. That's all that matters. Secondly, the Seahawks need OL much, much more than they need another WR. TJH, Branch, Carlson, and Deion Butler is enough for now.

Enough? If you want pedestrian receivers that can't get separation and lack playmaking ability, sure. But having suffered through the Seahawks' terrible season, trust me, they lack any sort of dynamism on offense aside from the occasional "look at him go!" play by Forsett. The current crop is not enough.

You want to roll into 10 with the OL the Seahawks have? Yikes.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

With the news of what Boldin was traded for, there is absolutely no way Seattle trades either of their 1st picks for Marshall.

What are you basing that on? First of all these receivers are at two completely different points on their career curves. Secondly, with Boldin off the market there's one less stud receiver option available and therefore absolutely worth trading for if WR is one of your key needs... which it is for the Seahawks.I think what we can read into this visit up to Seattle is the obvious; The Seahawks are checking him out, getting a feel for his salary demands and weighing their options.I think AZ_Prof is right on in his assessment that if Marshall is going to be a Seahawk then the Broncos will get the 14th overall for him.

If broncos get back the 14 pick they had, the calls of Macdumbass will get louder here. That will be trading Marshall for Alphonso Smith

Not really. It would be like trading Alphonso Smith for Brandon Marshall's 2010 season, cause his contract is up after this year and is probably as good as gone.You can't fault for Denver trying to get something out of this instead of just letting Brandon Marshall walk next offseason, with only the potential for compensatory picks.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

They may be at different points in their careers, but both of them will play out a 4 or so year contract. That's all that matters. Secondly, the Seahawks need OL much, much more than they need another WR. TJH, Branch, Carlson, and Deion Butler is enough for now.

Enough? If you want pedestrian receivers that can't get separation and lack playmaking ability, sure. But having suffered through the Seahawks' terrible season, trust me, they lack any sort of dynamism on offense aside from the occasional "look at him go!" play by Forsett. The current crop is not enough.

You want to roll into 10 with the OL the Seahawks have? Yikes.

I don't believe trading for Marshall will limit the OL they can acquire with their 1.06 and 1.14 picks.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Marshall's situation will be a process - http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/...ll-be-a-process

 

[az_prof]

With the news of what Boldin was traded for, there is absolutely no way Seattle trades either of their 1st picks for Marshall.

What are you basing that on? First of all these receivers are at two completely different points on their career curves. Secondly, with Boldin off the market there's one less stud receiver option available and therefore absolutely worth trading for if WR is one of your key needs... which it is for the Seahawks.I think what we can read into this visit up to Seattle is the obvious; The Seahawks are checking him out, getting a feel for his salary demands and weighing their options.I think AZ_Prof is right on in his assessment that if Marshall is going to be a Seahawk then the Broncos will get the 14th overall for him.

If broncos get back the 14 pick they had, the calls of Macdumbass will get louder here. That will be trading Marshall for Alphonso Smith

This comment had me rolling on the floor laughing. Can anyone say "Kharma"????

 

[phthalatemagic]

They may be at different points in their careers, but both of them will play out a 4 or so year contract. That's all that matters. Secondly, the Seahawks need OL much, much more than they need another WR. TJH, Branch, Carlson, and Deion Butler is enough for now.

Enough? If you want pedestrian receivers that can't get separation and lack playmaking ability, sure. But having suffered through the Seahawks' terrible season, trust me, they lack any sort of dynamism on offense aside from the occasional "look at him go!" play by Forsett. The current crop is not enough.

You want to roll into 10 with the OL the Seahawks have? Yikes.

I don't believe trading for Marshall will limit the OL they can acquire with their 1.06 and 1.14 picks.

Why?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Seattle WRs in the last many years...

Darrel Jackson-very productive but eventually fell prey to injury

KRob-Looked like the real deal for awhile

Deion Branch-Traded a lot and got very little in return

TJ Housh-Not a big time playmaker, finally folks learned he was the Robin in Batman and Robin also known as Chad and Housh

Nate Burleson-Paid a good amount, got some production

I'm all for Seattle going out and improving their team but they have to address what has become one of the 5 worst OL in football. Teams that have a lot of holes, or have line problems up and down both sides of th lines do very little to turn things around when they start at WR.

They can definitely negotitate with Denver and I think a 2nd and a 4th would do it but they need a lot of help at OL/DL so I would not be overly happy say form a Dyansty standpoint if Seattle is where Brandon Marshall lands.

 

[Arch Stanton]

I very much agree with the idea of trading a 1st rounder for a young player who has already proven they can produce. I don't agree that Marshall is worth either of the 1st rounders the Hawks have this year. Reason being, as has been mentioned before, Marshall is a headcase and could be one bottle of Dom away from a yearlong suspension* and an elite WR is low on the list of things the Seahawks need with their high picks. If the player being talked about were OL, RB, DL etc then I'd say do it before they saw rain fall in Seattle. However, too many risks involved to trade that away for someone that'll touch the ball 8-10 times a game (if Hass has enough time to throw that is). It's just not the right time to make that commitment to a WR. If he comes in for less, then I guess I have to live with it.Enough people have said it, this team needs too many things before a WR is a priority.

*- someone had asked what Marshall's involvement was in the Williams shooting, didn't see an answer. IIRC, Marshall sprayed a bunch of Dom all over the place, soaking the group of guys the alleged shooter was with and then got into a verbal and pushing.shoving altercation with them. In the stories from back then, again iirc, he was the instigator and main beligerant from the Broncos side of the incident.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

They may be at different points in their careers, but both of them will play out a 4 or so year contract. That's all that matters. Secondly, the Seahawks need OL much, much more than they need another WR. TJH, Branch, Carlson, and Deion Butler is enough for now.

Enough? If you want pedestrian receivers that can't get separation and lack playmaking ability, sure. But having suffered through the Seahawks' terrible season, trust me, they lack any sort of dynamism on offense aside from the occasional "look at him go!" play by Forsett. The current crop is not enough.

You want to roll into 10 with the OL the Seahawks have? Yikes.

I don't believe trading for Marshall will limit the OL they can acquire with their 1.06 and 1.14 picks.

Why?

I would be very surprised if Seattle traded either of their 1st rounders for Marshall. Either they don't trade for Marshall, or else it will be for 2nd and/or lower picks.

 

[finito]

Interesting note from Michael Lombardi...

I fully expect another team to jump into the Brandon Marshall sweepstakes at some point this week. Not certain which team, but it appears Marshall has more than one team interested in his services. I do know this: The Denver Broncos won’t negotiate a trade for Marshall. Either a team is prepared to pay a first-rounder or move along. Denver will not take calls on Marshall; it’s either an offer sheet or he plays in Denver next season. If Seattle really wants Marshall, it will take the sixth pick in the draft….

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aia5...p&type=lgns

He is simply not worth the 6th pick, not with all his off the field baggage. If I'm Seattle I drop any and all interest if Denver really refuses to negotiate.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Interesting note from Michael Lombardi...

I fully expect another team to jump into the Brandon Marshall sweepstakes at some point this week. Not certain which team, but it appears Marshall has more than one team interested in his services. I do know this: The Denver Broncos won’t negotiate a trade for Marshall. Either a team is prepared to pay a first-rounder or move along. Denver will not take calls on Marshall; it’s either an offer sheet or he plays in Denver next season. If Seattle really wants Marshall, it will take the sixth pick in the draft….

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aia5...p&type=lgns

He is simply not worth the 6th pick, not with all his off the field baggage. If I'm Seattle I drop any and all interest if Denver really refuses to negotiate.

me too. the 14th pick maybe and thats a big maybe. 6th out of the question.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I would be very surprised if Seattle traded either of their 1st rounders for Marshall. Either they don't trade for Marshall, or else it will be for 2nd and/or lower picks.

OK sorry. I was speaking in the context that they would give a 1st. They need OL help, badly. I think MOP mentioned getting a LT and Iupati in the first. That's exactly what I'd do.

 

[Buffaloes]

With the news of what Boldin was traded for, there is absolutely no way Seattle trades either of their 1st picks for Marshall.

What are you basing that on? First of all these receivers are at two completely different points on their career curves. Secondly, with Boldin off the market there's one less stud receiver option available and therefore absolutely worth trading for if WR is one of your key needs... which it is for the Seahawks.I think what we can read into this visit up to Seattle is the obvious; The Seahawks are checking him out, getting a feel for his salary demands and weighing their options.I think AZ_Prof is right on in his assessment that if Marshall is going to be a Seahawk then the Broncos will get the 14th overall for him.

If broncos get back the 14 pick they had, the calls of Macdumbass will get louder here. That will be trading Marshall for Alphonso Smith

This comment had me rolling on the floor laughing. Can anyone say "Kharma"????

Karma? For what?

 

[Mile High]

After looking at the players who were drafted at the 6th spot over the last 5-6 years, I'm hoping the Broncos work out their differences and keep Marshall.

 

[az_prof]

*- someone had asked what Marshall's involvement was in the Williams shooting, didn't see an answer. IIRC, Marshall sprayed a bunch of Dom all over the place, soaking the group of guys the alleged shooter was with and then got into a verbal and pushing.shoving altercation with them. In the stories from back then, again iirc, he was the instigator and main beligerant from the Broncos side of the incident.

Spraying a bottle of Dom is hardly justification to murder someone and isn't even a crime. It's rude. But when you hang out in a bar/night club late at night there is a good chance someone will spill a drink on you sooner or later. I don't see how this can be cited as some sort of horrible deed or as if Marshall is responsible for Williams dying.

 

[az_prof]

Interesting note from Michael Lombardi...

I fully expect another team to jump into the Brandon Marshall sweepstakes at some point this week. Not certain which team, but it appears Marshall has more than one team interested in his services. I do know this: The Denver Broncos won’t negotiate a trade for Marshall. Either a team is prepared to pay a first-rounder or move along. Denver will not take calls on Marshall; it’s either an offer sheet or he plays in Denver next season. If Seattle really wants Marshall, it will take the sixth pick in the draft….

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aia5...p&type=lgns

He is simply not worth the 6th pick, not with all his off the field baggage. If I'm Seattle I drop any and all interest if Denver really refuses to negotiate.

My recollection is that the Vikings drafted Troy Williamson with the 7th pick in exchange for Randy Moss--also a head case people said. As a Viking fan, I knew that was a bad deal and the team didn't really recover until 2009. Top 5 WRs do not grow on trees.

 

[Vladislav Tretiak]

With the news of what Boldin was traded for, there is absolutely no way Seattle trades either of their 1st picks for Marshall.

What are you basing that on? First of all these receivers are at two completely different points on their career curves. Secondly, with Boldin off the market there's one less stud receiver option available and therefore absolutely worth trading for if WR is one of your key needs... which it is for the Seahawks.I think what we can read into this visit up to Seattle is the obvious; The Seahawks are checking him out, getting a feel for his salary demands and weighing their options.

I think AZ_Prof is right on in his assessment that if Marshall is going to be a Seahawk then the Broncos will get the 14th overall for him.

If broncos get back the 14 pick they had, the calls of Macdumbass will get louder here. That will be trading Marshall for Alphonso Smith

This comment had me rolling on the floor laughing. Can anyone say "Kharma"????

Chameleon??

 

[Buffaloes]

Karma for being dumb enough to trade away a 2010 first round pick in order to acquire a 2009 second round pick.

Oh, so does that mean the Panthers have some kind of Karmic retribution coming too? I mean I thought the trade wasn't worth it for Fonz bu trading a future 1st for a current 2nd wasn't exactly a new thing when Denver made the trade.

 

[shredhead]

*- someone had asked what Marshall's involvement was in the Williams shooting, didn't see an answer. IIRC, Marshall sprayed a bunch of Dom all over the place, soaking the group of guys the alleged shooter was with and then got into a verbal and pushing.shoving altercation with them. In the stories from back then, again iirc, he was the instigator and main beligerant from the Broncos side of the incident.

Spraying a bottle of Dom is hardly justification to murder someone and isn't even a crime. It's rude. But when you hang out in a bar/night club late at night there is a good chance someone will spill a drink on you sooner or later. I don't see how this can be cited as some sort of horrible deed or as if Marshall is responsible for Williams dying.

IIRC it wasn't even BM who sprayed the champagne. It was a friend or relative or something of BM, but when the verbal exchange after the fact happened, BM was indeed involved. Agreed that it is no reason to murder someone, and I don't think anyone blames BM for Darrent Williams' death, but it's got to be a huge burden on BM, and can explain (not excuse) some of BM's actions. I think BM will be a fine player, and not be a headcase for whichever team he ends up playing for. I wish it could be Denver, but I realize it most likely will not be Denver.

 

[n20]

Adam Schefter was just on Sirius NFL Radio and he said he believes there is no way the Broncos trade Marshall for less than a 1st and that they're happy to have him back next year if no one offers a 1st. He said his sources have pointed out that because the Broncos have tendered Marshall at just a 1st round pick (not 1st and 3rd like VJax, Austin and even Edwards) they fully expect a team to step up by the draft and that they will not budge from that price.

Schefter added that Seattle holds the cards because if he's available for the 6th overall now then he will be April 22nd as well so they have time to figure out what they're going to do next. An interesting part of the discussion was that if Seattle only wanted to move their later 1st then they could acquire Marshall for the #6 and then get the #6 back for #14 overall in another trade to get around NFL rules.

I don't know if Seattle is going to be Marshall's landing spot but I'm much more inclined to believe Schefter's "sources" on the Broncos not budging on their demand for a 1st versus other speculation that they'll settle for less.

 

[Arch Stanton]

*- someone had asked what Marshall's involvement was in the Williams shooting, didn't see an answer. IIRC, Marshall sprayed a bunch of Dom all over the place, soaking the group of guys the alleged shooter was with and then got into a verbal and pushing.shoving altercation with them. In the stories from back then, again iirc, he was the instigator and main beligerant from the Broncos side of the incident.

Spraying a bottle of Dom is hardly justification to murder someone and isn't even a crime. It's rude. But when you hang out in a bar/night club late at night there is a good chance someone will spill a drink on you sooner or later. I don't see how this can be cited as some sort of horrible deed or as if Marshall is responsible for Williams dying.

I don't think there's much of any justification for murder, quite frankly, but someone apparently thought it was. Hopefully that guy will be spending the rest of his life in prison. However, it wasn't just "spilling a drink", it was spraying champagne all over the place on NYE. Whether or not that's to be expected or whether or not Marshall was the one that did it, witness accounts told of Marshall being the maiin belligerent in the argument that lead to the shooting. He admitted as much in the trial recently, using the worsd "escalated the confrontation". Does this make him a horrible person? Not necessarily, but it could be an indicator that he is. Regardless though, added into the mix of his history of team and league supensions, public spats with team and teammates, coaches and management, his involvement in the incident is a big red checkmark among many others that point towards him being a head case.Only reason I even talked about that incident was because someone asked what Marshall's involvement was with the Williams shooting and I didn't see it answered and related what I remembered about it. I never said he was a horrible person, just that I didn't want him on the Seahawks for a first round pick.

 

[_lurker_]

*- someone had asked what Marshall's involvement was in the Williams shooting, didn't see an answer. IIRC, Marshall sprayed a bunch of Dom all over the place, soaking the group of guys the alleged shooter was with and then got into a verbal and pushing.shoving altercation with them. In the stories from back then, again iirc, he was the instigator and main beligerant from the Broncos side of the incident.

Spraying a bottle of Dom is hardly justification to murder someone and isn't even a crime. It's rude. But when you hang out in a bar/night club late at night there is a good chance someone will spill a drink on you sooner or later. I don't see how this can be cited as some sort of horrible deed or as if Marshall is responsible for Williams dying.

I don't think there's much of any justification for murder, quite frankly, but someone apparently thought it was. Hopefully that guy will be spending the rest of his life in prison. However, it wasn't just "spilling a drink", it was spraying champagne all over the place on NYE. Whether or not that's to be expected or whether or not Marshall was the one that did it, witness accounts told of Marshall being the maiin belligerent in the argument that lead to the shooting. He admitted as much in the trial recently, using the worsd "escalated the confrontation". Does this make him a horrible person? Not necessarily, but it could be an indicator that he is. Regardless though, added into the mix of his history of team and league supensions, public spats with team and teammates, coaches and management, his involvement in the incident is a big red checkmark among many others that point towards him being a head case.Only reason I even talked about that incident was because someone asked what Marshall's involvement was with the Williams shooting and I didn't see it answered and related what I remembered about it. I never said he was a horrible person, just that I didn't want him on the Seahawks for a first round pick.

I think the bottomline is simply this... if Marshall didn't change his behavior because of that situation, what makes anyone think that he will for any other reason?Want proof that Darrent's death could cause someone to completely revise their way of thinking and completely take their life in a different (not necessarily better) way... just look at Javon Walker. That guy never fully recovered from having parts of DW's flesh and blood sprayed across him.If that horrible night didn't change your life, then what would?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Adam Schefter was just on Sirius NFL Radio and he said he believes there is no way the Broncos trade Marshall for less than a 1st and that they're happy to have him back next year if no one offers a 1st. He said his sources have pointed out that because the Broncos have tendered Marshall at just a 1st round pick (not 1st and 3rd like VJax, Austin and even Edwards) they fully expect a team to step up by the draft and that they will not budge from that price. Schefter added that Seattle holds the cards because if he's available for the 6th overall now then he will be April 22nd as well so they have time to figure out what they're going to do next. An interesting part of the discussion was that if Seattle only wanted to move their later 1st then they could acquire Marshall for the #6 and then get the #6 back for #14 overall in another trade to get around NFL rules.I don't know if Seattle is going to be Marshall's landing spot but I'm much more inclined to believe Schefter's "sources" on the Broncos not budging on their demand for a 1st versus other speculation that they'll settle for less.

Unless the Broncos plan on offering a long term contract to Marshall and think Marshall will take it, then I do not understand why the Broncos would balk at all offers less than a first rounder. The Broncos aren't on the verge of making a championship run, so what does it matter if Marshall leaves this year or next. At least with leaving this year, the Broncos will get some decent draft picks.

 

[Topes]

Schefter added that Seattle holds the cards because if he's available for the 6th overall now then he will be April 22nd as well so they have time to figure out what they're going to do next. An interesting part of the discussion was that if Seattle only wanted to move their later 1st then they could acquire Marshall for the #6 and then get the #6 back for #14 overall in another trade to get around NFL rules.

I have seen this mentioned here and there, that Marshall could not be traded for the 14th pick.Is this correct?

I had been under the impression that he could be traded for anything, straight up, but that Seattle could not sign him to an unmatched tender, and acquire him via restricted free agency, surrendering their #14 instead of their #6 pick.

There's a big difference between acquiring a player via restricted free agency and trading for a player. Though Denver may not officially be looking to trade him, I'd think they'd be open to offers. Are they not allowed to negotiate a trade on a player with a RFA tag?

 

[Topes]

NEWS FLASH! Seattle Making Room For Marshall! Trades Seneca Wallace to Free Up #15 Jersey!!!

That's one of the silliest things I've read lately. Seriously, Seneca Wallace isn't going to freak about a jersey number change, so long as he has a jop, wherever he is.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Schefter added that Seattle holds the cards because if he's available for the 6th overall now then he will be April 22nd as well so they have time to figure out what they're going to do next. An interesting part of the discussion was that if Seattle only wanted to move their later 1st then they could acquire Marshall for the #6 and then get the #6 back for #14 overall in another trade to get around NFL rules.

I have seen this mentioned here and there, that Marshall could not be traded for the 14th pick.Is this correct?

I had been under the impression that he could be traded for anything, straight up, but that Seattle could not sign him to an unmatched tender, and acquire him via restricted free agency, surrendering their #6 instead of their #14 pick.

There's a big difference between acquiring a player via restricted free agency and trading for a player. Though Denver may not officially be looking to trade him, I'd think they'd be open to offers. Are they not allowed to negotiate a trade on a player with a RFA tag?

If Seattle signs the RFA offer sheet, then it has to be the team's orginal pick (i.e. the 6th pick). I am confused about Schefter's comment though, because if Denver was willing to just accept the 14th pick, then just strike up a trade and avoid going through the offer sheet shenanigans and then trading the 14th for 6th pick.

 

[n20]

Schefter added that Seattle holds the cards because if he's available for the 6th overall now then he will be April 22nd as well so they have time to figure out what they're going to do next. An interesting part of the discussion was that if Seattle only wanted to move their later 1st then they could acquire Marshall for the #6 and then get the #6 back for #14 overall in another trade to get around NFL rules.

I have seen this mentioned here and there, that Marshall could not be traded for the 14th pick.Is this correct?

I had been under the impression that he could be traded for anything, straight up, but that Seattle could not sign him to an unmatched tender, and acquire him via restricted free agency, surrendering their #6 instead of their #14 pick.

There's a big difference between acquiring a player via restricted free agency and trading for a player. Though Denver may not officially be looking to trade him, I'd think they'd be open to offers. Are they not allowed to negotiate a trade on a player with a RFA tag?

If Seattle signs the RFA offer sheet, then it has to be the team's orginal pick (i.e. the 6th pick). I am confused about Schefter's comment though, because if Denver was willing to just accept the 14th pick, then just strike up a trade and avoid going through the offer sheet shenanigans and then trading the 14th for 6th pick.

Denver can negotiate a trade with a team but they don't have to; they can just sit pat and take whatever 1st they want or have Marshall back. I'm sure Denver would love to make a trade for 14 overall and avoid all shenanigans but the ball is in Seattle's court not theirs. Does Seattle want to make a trade? That's the question.Schefter's point was that if Seattle wants Marshall right now, today for 14 overall they can make it happen by signing Marshall to a deal, having Denver refuse to match it and then giving Denver their 6 overall pick... then they would make a trade with Denver to swap 6 and 14. The league requires that when you sign a tendered player you must trade the original pick you have in that round. In this case it would be the 6th pick so very simply, the trade would could look something like this:

Marshall to Seattle for the 6th pick to Denver.

Seattle trades 14 overall and their 7th rounder to Denver for 6 overall and Denver's 7th rounder. Something like that.

It's not against league rules to trade picks but it is against the rules to compensate Denver with 14 instead of 6 right off the bat. Seattle might go through Schefter's scenario is that if they catch wind that another team is about to sign Marshall to a long term deal and they decide to pull the trigger for pick 14 overall then they can do it, that's all Schefter, Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan were trying to say.

Bottom line is it's up to any team looking at Marshall to decide if they want to give up a 1st and that Schefter "whole heartedly believes" he will not go for less.

My question is this: if I'm a GM of a team that wants Marshall why not make a trade with New Orleans to move back to 31 overall, pick up something along the way (like a decent back up or a 3rd round pick) and then sign Marshall to an offer sending 31 overall to Denver?

 

[Mile High]

Schefter added that Seattle holds the cards because if he's available for the 6th overall now then he will be April 22nd as well so they have time to figure out what they're going to do next. An interesting part of the discussion was that if Seattle only wanted to move their later 1st then they could acquire Marshall for the #6 and then get the #6 back for #14 overall in another trade to get around NFL rules.

I have seen this mentioned here and there, that Marshall could not be traded for the 14th pick.Is this correct?

I had been under the impression that he could be traded for anything, straight up, but that Seattle could not sign him to an unmatched tender, and acquire him via restricted free agency, surrendering their #6 instead of their #14 pick.

There's a big difference between acquiring a player via restricted free agency and trading for a player. Though Denver may not officially be looking to trade him, I'd think they'd be open to offers. Are they not allowed to negotiate a trade on a player with a RFA tag?

If Seattle signs the RFA offer sheet, then it has to be the team's orginal pick (i.e. the 6th pick). I am confused about Schefter's comment though, because if Denver was willing to just accept the 14th pick, then just strike up a trade and avoid going through the offer sheet shenanigans and then trading the 14th for 6th pick.

Denver can negotiate a trade with a team but they don't have to; they can just sit pat and take whatever 1st they want or have Marshall back. I'm sure Denver would love to make a trade for 14 overall and avoid all shenanigans but the ball is in Seattle's court not theirs. Does Seattle want to make a trade? That's the question.Schefter's point was that if Seattle wants Marshall right now, today for 14 overall they can make it happen by signing Marshall to a deal, having Denver refuse to match it and then giving Denver their 6 overall pick... then they would make a trade with Denver to swap 6 and 14. The league requires that when you sign a tendered player you must trade the original pick you have in that round. In this case it would be the 6th pick so very simply, the trade would could look something like this:

Marshall to Seattle for the 6th pick to Denver.

Seattle trades 14 overall and their 7th rounder to Denver for 6 overall and Denver's 7th rounder. Something like that.

It's not against league rules to trade picks but it is against the rules to compensate Denver with 14 instead of 6 right off the bat. Seattle might go through Schefter's scenario is that if they catch wind that another team is about to sign Marshall to a long term deal and they decide to pull the trigger for pick 14 overall then they can do it, that's all Schefter, Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan were trying to say.

Bottom line is it's up to any team looking at Marshall to decide if they want to give up a 1st and that Schefter "whole heartedly believes" he will not go for less.

My question is this: if I'm a GM of a team that wants Marshall why not make a trade with New Orleans to move back to 31 overall, pick up something along the way (like a decent back up or a 3rd round pick) and then sign Marshall to an offer sending 31 overall to Denver?

Why stop there? All teams who want to sign other teams top free agents should all trade their top picks to the best teams to screw over the other team. Lets all go down that slope.

 

[n20]

Schefter added that Seattle holds the cards because if he's available for the 6th overall now then he will be April 22nd as well so they have time to figure out what they're going to do next. An interesting part of the discussion was that if Seattle only wanted to move their later 1st then they could acquire Marshall for the #6 and then get the #6 back for #14 overall in another trade to get around NFL rules.

I have seen this mentioned here and there, that Marshall could not be traded for the 14th pick.Is this correct?

I had been under the impression that he could be traded for anything, straight up, but that Seattle could not sign him to an unmatched tender, and acquire him via restricted free agency, surrendering their #6 instead of their #14 pick.

There's a big difference between acquiring a player via restricted free agency and trading for a player. Though Denver may not officially be looking to trade him, I'd think they'd be open to offers. Are they not allowed to negotiate a trade on a player with a RFA tag?

If Seattle signs the RFA offer sheet, then it has to be the team's orginal pick (i.e. the 6th pick). I am confused about Schefter's comment though, because if Denver was willing to just accept the 14th pick, then just strike up a trade and avoid going through the offer sheet shenanigans and then trading the 14th for 6th pick.

Denver can negotiate a trade with a team but they don't have to; they can just sit pat and take whatever 1st they want or have Marshall back. I'm sure Denver would love to make a trade for 14 overall and avoid all shenanigans but the ball is in Seattle's court not theirs. Does Seattle want to make a trade? That's the question.Schefter's point was that if Seattle wants Marshall right now, today for 14 overall they can make it happen by signing Marshall to a deal, having Denver refuse to match it and then giving Denver their 6 overall pick... then they would make a trade with Denver to swap 6 and 14. The league requires that when you sign a tendered player you must trade the original pick you have in that round. In this case it would be the 6th pick so very simply, the trade would could look something like this:

Marshall to Seattle for the 6th pick to Denver.

Seattle trades 14 overall and their 7th rounder to Denver for 6 overall and Denver's 7th rounder. Something like that.

It's not against league rules to trade picks but it is against the rules to compensate Denver with 14 instead of 6 right off the bat. Seattle might go through Schefter's scenario is that if they catch wind that another team is about to sign Marshall to a long term deal and they decide to pull the trigger for pick 14 overall then they can do it, that's all Schefter, Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan were trying to say.

Bottom line is it's up to any team looking at Marshall to decide if they want to give up a 1st and that Schefter "whole heartedly believes" he will not go for less.

My question is this: if I'm a GM of a team that wants Marshall why not make a trade with New Orleans to move back to 31 overall, pick up something along the way (like a decent back up or a 3rd round pick) and then sign Marshall to an offer sending 31 overall to Denver?

Why stop there? All teams who want to sign other teams top free agents should all trade their top picks to the best teams to screw over the other team. Lets all go down that slope.

True, and of course this isn't a dynasty fantasy draft where you can move up and down at will but I'm surprised something like that hasn't happened yet.