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Marshawn Lynch -- "I'm here so I won't get fined" (1 Viewer)

Chaka said:
Yes he had a bad, and abbreviated, 2015. Playing for a team he was feuding with behind a shoddy offensive line (yes I know what Thomas Rawls did that year).

If you mentally check-out, which he did, your stats are going to suffer. We know he was mentally checked-out, (Read the off-season news reports for those seasons and it becomes pretty clear there was a show down, over money, about to happen between Lynch and the club).   I am not quite as sure about where his ability level was in 2015.

The biggest concern is the fact that he did mentally check-out and  didn't want to play for the Seahawks in 2015 or 2016. That is a ginormous red flag and shouldn't be ignored by anyone in this discussion. Marshawn quit on his team.

Maybe he can't get that passion back which is a legitimate concern. Once the desire to play goes away I am not sure you can get it back.

But right now Lynch seems not only happy to be playing again but passionately engaged in everything related to being back in his home town of Oakland. That is reason for more than a little cautious optimism.

He is healthy, he says and does everything to indicate that he's hungry too. Throw in the best offensive line and most high powered offense he has ever played with and you have the makings of a great come-back season.

And even if his body is broken, if he is really as passionate about playing in Oakland as he seems, and doesn't get injured, he is still on the short list of RBs that could reasonably be expected to lead the league in TDs.

Now...where is he being drafted among RBs?
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Marshawn didnt quit on his team. He retired at the end of a season.

He didnt quit on his team anymore than Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson quit on the Lions.

 
pecorino said:
Maybe not super helpful, but in our rookie/free agent Dynasty draft Lynch went 1.03 after Fournette and Cook. The owner loves the Beast but I was still surprised.
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I love me some Beastmode, but, 1.3? Wow.

in dyno, thats suicide, in redraft that is still a reach although his production can warrant it at the end of the season. 

1200 yards and 12 TDs is more than possible. If you told me he would get that, I would take him 1.3 in redraft for sure, but its no guarantee.

In redraft, he is the starting RB who is in good shape for the Oakland Raiders, i will draft accordingly and hope to land him as my RB2.

Side note: Those pictures of him in camp has him looking leaner then I remember him in some time, hope thats his health on the right track as he needs to plow people over to be Beastmode. He needs to trim his hair, dont want him getting pulled down from behind with that problem. FWIW, I think all players should have their hair in their helmets for the good of the team, his is out of control long. it covers his entire name plate. lol

 
Mavis said:
Marshawn didnt quit on his team. He retired at the end of a season.

He didnt quit on his team anymore than Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson quit on the Lions.
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Actually, you could argue that Sanders and Johnson DID quit on their team since they stopped playing suddenly and near their prime.  By the way, I'm not condemning them for that...

Lynch had reached and age and a level of injury where Seattle was as prepared as possible to move on.  I wouldn't say he "quit" on his team.

 
I'd be shocked if he is under 1,200/10 TDs. He's gonna cost a mid second round pick come draft time.

 
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Chaka said:
I wasn't talking about his retirement.
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Well, injuries are not quitting either. If anything, he fought through it and tried to come back.

Missed two games, came back for few games, got hurt...was done for the year.

There is no such thing as "quitting on your team" with guys like Marshawn. there's a reason fellow players respect him, even those in Seattle still. 

 
DropKick said:
Actually, you could argue that Sanders and Johnson DID quit on their team since they stopped playing suddenly and near their prime.  By the way, I'm not condemning them for that...

Lynch had reached and age and a level of injury where Seattle was as prepared as possible to move on.  I wouldn't say he "quit" on his team.
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I understand, but can we ever call retiring quitting on your team? It happens in between seasons and Im sure they put tons of thought into it for whatever reasons they have at the time. 

It can be argued the Lions quit on Barry, and Calvin with his statements can seem like he did quit on the Lions, but as I said hard to hold a retirement over someone as quitting on their team the way I view it. 

 
I'm really interested to see where he's going in Rookie/FA drafts.  I've seen a few scattered here and there, but I can't find a place to evaluate this consistently.  Anyone have a place to check that?

 
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I am skeptical. Very skeptical at his current ADP. Far too rich on a guy who was broken down in 2015 and retired for a year (2016). I will let others take him early and congratulate them if they win the league because Marshawn scored 12-15 TD's on 175 carries (which is what I project for him if he is 100% healthy, less if he breaks down again). DeAndre Washington is the shark move in the later rounds. 

Lot's of hype. And I get it. He was a beast for so many years in Seattle. But I see a guy who is most likely seen his best days way behind him (2014). 

It would be a heck of a story though. I realize Marshawn's "situation" looks so damn enticing. But I just don't believe a 31 year old running back who runs as physical as he does, took a year off to boot, is coming back and not missing a beat. Everything has to break right for him as he will not log more then 200 carries IMO. I am also curious to see how much work he get's in the preseason. He needs to be hit. He needs to lower that shoulder again and hit someone too. I wonder if he really wants that punishment again after being off for practically 2 years now (he barely played in 2015).

 
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I have zero F's to give about any NFL player sitting. Last I checked they don't award fantasy points during the national anthem, and I cannot think of a more patriotic thing than exercising one's 1st amendment right to free expression. 

 
Tough subject for me.  I want to respect anyone's right to freely speak their mind without repercussion but I also understand that certain awesome jobs and roles come with higher levels of responsibilty and it holds people to a different standard.

The problem with most of us these days is we haven't experienced a true challenge to our freedom and truly been faced with a large-scale ultimate sacrifice.  Most of us know someone or have someone in our lives or are related to people who have died while defending their country and our personal freedoms but not on the large scale. Not on the level where some older generational people can tell the stories of losing "10 of the dozen of us" or something.Not on the scale where some people can recall from memory having their homeland destroyed, fleeing for their lives, etc.

If a guy wants to sit out the national anthem then I guess its okay. Just remember the steep price others paid so you can have the option to do that and respect their side of it.

I've already said too much because this is a no win scenario for either side calling out the other but at the end of the day, to me, it boils down to, if nothing else, the industry that affords the athlete to have such a great life and lifestyle probably reserves the right to promote the image of patriotism if they want to.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
while  I respect these guys rights as americans to do what they want....I also don't have to like it....wish they expressed themselves in other ways....
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And that's you using your 1st amendment right to express how you feel about the way Marshawn used his 1st amendment rights. 

Marshawn (among others) may have lost a potential fan or ally in you with his actions.

And he may have gained some new ones. 

That all works. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
And that's you using your 1st amendment right to express how you feel about the way Marshawn used his 1st amendment rights. 

Marshawn (among others) may have lost a potential fan or ally in you with his actions.

And he may have gained some new ones. 

That all works. 
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Yep and I still draft him on my teams if he gets me points

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
while  I respect these guys rights as americans to do what they want....I also don't have to like it....wish they expressed themselves in other ways....
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What other ways do they have to get their message spread out as much as the NFL can?  They could post their message on their social media accounts but that wouldn't come close to being seen on national TV during a game and then being talked about on every news station and then every other social format.  They are doing it this way because it gets the most attention.

 
Reminder, Lynch has not stood for the anthem according to his own words for 11 years. If you show outrage about it now, that leaves me to have many questions about why now?

I will draft him and any other person who has controversy or even commits crimes on my team if they score points. If Aaron Hernandez was in the league, I would draft him if he was still a Patriot. The Win/Loss column does not care about my morals. Trying to win your fantasy league and supporting what the player does in real life are not mutually exclusive. 

 
Dr. Octopus said:
How would it?
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Well, Lynch is going at the end of the second round now.  If for some reason his sitting makes some people upset and the team decided to not play him or even release him that would really affect your fantasy team.  Do you want to draft a player in the second round that is adding more risk to his status on purpose?  I really don't think anything is going to happen with him but it's something to consider.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
Well, Lynch is going at the end of the second round now.  If for some reason his sitting makes some people upset and the team decided to not play him or even release him that would really affect your fantasy team.  Do you want to draft a player in the second round that is adding more risk to his status on purpose?  I really don't think anything is going to happen with him but it's something to consider.
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Well most of the games were played before this mess happened over the weekend. I suspect and expect an onslaught of more players sitting as the season progresses.

I dont know how it will effect his fantasy stock or any players fantasy stock unless people dont draft him because they are offended and when it comes down to it, I dont think they will. 

 
Hawkeye21 said:
Well, Lynch is going at the end of the second round now.  If for some reason his sitting makes some people upset and the team decided to not play him or even release him that would really affect your fantasy team.  Do you want to draft a player in the second round that is adding more risk to his status on purpose?  I really don't think anything is going to happen with him but it's something to consider.
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No, I meant how would it affect his playing status?

Although it's really a rhetorical question.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
I think we all know how it could, it seems like it's been talked about enough on here with Kaepernick.  It's very unlikely anything will happen with him though.
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The difference is Kaepernick is a below average QB that is not on a team. Lynch already is on a team.

There is no way he will be released over this. I hate to speak in absolutes when it comes to fantasy football but it's a tremendous stretch to say this will affect his fantasy value in any way. It's very well known that Lynch is a strange bird. 

 
Dr. Octopus said:
The difference is Kaepernick is a below average QB that is not on a team. Lynch already is on a team.

There is no way he will be released over this. I hate to speak in absolutes when it comes to fantasy football but it's a tremendous stretch to say this will affect his fantasy value in any way. It's very well known that Lynch is a strange bird. 
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I don't think it will affect him but I won't rule out that it can't.  He's saying he sat for 11 years but no paid attention.  If people are going to be upset about other players doing it then they should be upset at him.  I agree that Lynch is strange.

 
need2know said:
Seen it on ff calculator and Yahoo mocks
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FFC has Lynch going at the end of the second round in standard.  Just finishing up a 10 team PPR mock on FFC and Lynch was the first pick in the third round.

My mistake, Lynch went with the last pick in the third in the mock i just did.

 
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Hawkeye21 said:
FFC has Lynch going at the end of the second round in standard.  Just finishing up a 10 team PPR mock on FFC and Lynch was the first pick in the third round.

My mistake, Lynch went with the last pick in the third in the mock i just did.
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Well I play 12 team format.  I hope he does go that high in my real ones.  He won't be on any of my teams

 
need2know said:
Well I play 12 team format.  I hope he does go that high in my real ones.  He won't be on any of my teams
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Looking at 12 team ADPs on FFC right now Lynch is at 2.09 in standard and 3.06 in 12 team PPR.  I think he belongs towards the end of the third if not the fourth round.

 
need2know said:
Seen it on ff calculator and Yahoo mocks
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Hmm...I don't put much into Yahoo mocks. Mocks aren't drafts. A lot of people do stupid crap in mocks, and most abandon them after their 1st or 2nd pick. 

And FF Calculator has Elliott going 2.01 with a 6 game suspension. And they have Lynch going 2.09, right where I had him from FFToday's ADP listing. Average is 2.09, late is 3.08

I know in my league, which happens to be in the Bay Area, that Lynch won't make it to the 4th. He's a late 2nd/early 3rd for me if I want him. And doubtful he makes it to the 3rd once more real drafts are in the books and/or he's showed in a pre-season game.

There's no way he's a 4th rounder. He could sit for the national anthem and the pre-game announcements and he still won't fall to the 4th in any competitive draft IMO.  

 
Mavis said:
Reminder, Lynch has not stood for the anthem according to his own words for 11 years. If you show outrage about it now, that leaves me to have many questions about why now?

I will draft him and any other person who has controversy or even commits crimes on my team if they score points. If Aaron Hernandez was in the league, I would draft him if he was still a Patriot. The Win/Loss column does not care about my morals. Trying to win your fantasy league and supporting what the player does in real life are not mutually exclusive. 
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How come that hasn't been reported on before? People in the news media certainly must have noticed it - it didn't take more than 2 games before Kaep sitting was being written about.

 
Mavis said:
Reminder, Lynch has not stood for the anthem according to his own words for 11 years. If you show outrage about it now, that leaves me to have many questions about why now?

I will draft him and any other person who has controversy or even commits crimes on my team if they score points. If Aaron Hernandez was in the league, I would draft him if he was still a Patriot. The Win/Loss column does not care about my morals. Trying to win your fantasy league and supporting what the player does in real life are not mutually exclusive. 
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Aaron Hernandez is dead.

 
Mavis said:
1 hour ago, squistion said:

How come that hasn't been reported on before? People in the news media certainly must have noticed it - it didn't take more than 2 games before Kaep sitting was being written about.
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:shrug:
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Turns out it was noticed, but no one made a big deal about it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/13/marshawn-lynch-sometimes-stood-sometimes-sat-for-anthem-as-a-seahawk/

Marshawn Lynch sometimes stood, sometimes sat for anthem as a Seahawk

Saturday night was not the first time Marshawn Lynch sat for the national anthem, just the first time it gained widespread attention.

After seeing our post this morning with a picture of Lynch standing for the anthem during the 2011 season, contrary to Raiders coach Jack Del Rio saying Lynch told him he’d sat for the anthem for 11 years, former NFL receiver Andrew Hawkins contacted us on Twitter and pointed out that Lynch did not stand for the anthem multiple times in 2015.

Lynch’s absence from the anthem did not entirely go unnoticed at the time. As pointed out by Hawkins, some fans on social media noted that Lynch wasn’t standing for the anthem. But it apparently didn’t garner any media attention.

That lack of attention stands in stark contrast to the anthem protest begun last year by Colin Kaepernick, who became the subject of a nationwide conversation when he declined to stand for the anthem, and whose actions last year still seem to be affecting his ability to get a job in the NFL this year.

So why was there no firestorm around Lynch? Maybe it’s because Lynch did sometimes stand for the anthem. Maybe it’s because no one in the media even noticed when Lynch was sitting. Maybe it’s because Kaepernick’s anthem protest was accompanied by vocal criticism of the police and the American government, while Lynch has not said anything publicly about why he didn’t stand for the anthem.

Whatever the reasons, Kaepernick was not the first NFL player to sit out the anthem. Lynch did it before him, and few people noticed or cared.

 
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squistion said:
Turns out it was noticed, but no one made a big deal about it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/13/marshawn-lynch-sometimes-stood-sometimes-sat-for-anthem-as-a-seahawk/

Marshawn Lynch sometimes stood, sometimes sat for anthem as a Seahawk

Saturday night was not the first time Marshawn Lynch sat for the national anthem, just the first time it gained widespread attention.

After seeing our post this morning with a picture of Lynch standing for the anthem during the 2011 season, contrary to Raiders coach Jack Del Rio saying Lynch told him he’d sat for the anthem for 11 years, former NFL receiver Andrew Hawkins contacted us on Twitter and pointed out that Lynch did not stand for the anthem multiple times in 2015.

Lynch’s absence from the anthem did not entirely go unnoticed at the time. As pointed out by Hawkins, some fans on social media noted that Lynch wasn’t standing for the anthem. But it apparently didn’t garner any media attention.

That lack of attention stands in stark contrast to the anthem protest begun last year by Colin Kaepernick, who became the subject of a nationwide conversation when he declined to stand for the anthem, and whose actions last year still seem to be affecting his ability to get a job in the NFL this year.

So why was there no firestorm around Lynch? Maybe it’s because Lynch did sometimes stand for the anthem. Maybe it’s because no one in the media even noticed when Lynch was sitting. Maybe it’s because Kaepernick’s anthem protest was accompanied by vocal criticism of the police and the American government, while Lynch has not said anything publicly about why he didn’t stand for the anthem.

Whatever the reasons, Kaepernick was not the first NFL player to sit out the anthem. Lynch did it before him, and few people noticed or cared.
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Sometimes I think things happen just for those who have outrage to take a step back and readjust how they look at things. 

The fact that this has happened so long and no one cared until someone asked Kap about it says something, I dont know what, but something. 

 
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