Jeff Tefertiller
Footballguy
Marshawn Lynch agrees to 4 yr deal for 31 million w 17 million guaranteed to avoid having Franchise tag placed on him
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Marshawn Lynch New Contract (1 Viewer)
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Gandalf
Footballguy
Now he will relax though... I like it when they are motivated!
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
As a Lynch owner, I'm very happy this got done.
I don't think motivation is an issue with him.
I don't think motivation is an issue with him.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
The guy I've seen looks like he loves football. The $$ is a bonus.
biju
Footballguy
Absolutely. The people saying he was only motivated by his contract year clearly have not seen him play--he didn't change, the effectiveness of the O-line did.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
and dude is only 25...will be 26 in April....seems like he has been around a lot longer than that.....good signing
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Good contract for both sides.
I'm bumping this because I'm interested in what people think about Lynch for dynasty purposes. When I see rankings of dynasty RBs, Lynch generally falls in the 12-15 range, alongside people like Jamaal Charles, Demarco Murray, S-Jax, and Ahmed Bradshaw. But when I read posts about him, all people talk about are his many red flags -- bad attitude, sporadic production, potential lack of motivation after signing contract, etc. Maybe those other RBs at similar ranks also have red flags, but not nearly as many as I hear for Lynch. I see two possibilities to explain this split between objective rankings and more subjective views:
(1) Lynch is ranked too highly, maybe because when people create rankings, they focus more on objective factors like age/competition/recent production, and less on intangible character issues and other red flags. If you believe this view, Lynch belongs down a tier, alongside RBs like D-Will, Ingram, Reggie Bush, Beanie Wells.
(2) Lynch is ranked properly, and the ranking takes intangibles into account. So although people talk a lot more about Lynch's intangible red flags, he still carries tons of upside to offset those red flags. If you believe this view, then maybe Lynch without the red flags would be ranked a tier higher. If he had a good attitude and motivation, would Lynch be in the same class as Forte, Mathews, McFadden?
I don't know the answer, or even whether there is a clear answer. I'm curious to hear views though, because Lynch seems more of a wildcard for dynasty purposes than many of his peers.
(1) Lynch is ranked too highly, maybe because when people create rankings, they focus more on objective factors like age/competition/recent production, and less on intangible character issues and other red flags. If you believe this view, Lynch belongs down a tier, alongside RBs like D-Will, Ingram, Reggie Bush, Beanie Wells.
(2) Lynch is ranked properly, and the ranking takes intangibles into account. So although people talk a lot more about Lynch's intangible red flags, he still carries tons of upside to offset those red flags. If you believe this view, then maybe Lynch without the red flags would be ranked a tier higher. If he had a good attitude and motivation, would Lynch be in the same class as Forte, Mathews, McFadden?
I don't know the answer, or even whether there is a clear answer. I'm curious to hear views though, because Lynch seems more of a wildcard for dynasty purposes than many of his peers.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
I agree.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
26 year old feature back on an up and coming offense. He should be in the same tier as the players listed above, and depending on preference some people might have him above all 3 of them.I could make an argument for Lynch to be ranked as highly as 8th.
terrible contract for the hawks imo.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
I liked Lynch coming out of college. I don't think he looks anything like that player now.
He has fantastic power, but is around average in every other aspect. It is not assured that Seattle is an up and coming offense... Rice is always injured and they have no other receivers of significance. They do not have a proven QB, you cannot simply annoint Flynn as a strong QB. I think with their current talent their ceiling is that of an average team.
Lynch's efficiency metrics were not that good either.
I think Lynch is a sell.
He has fantastic power, but is around average in every other aspect. It is not assured that Seattle is an up and coming offense... Rice is always injured and they have no other receivers of significance. They do not have a proven QB, you cannot simply annoint Flynn as a strong QB. I think with their current talent their ceiling is that of an average team.
Lynch's efficiency metrics were not that good either.
I think Lynch is a sell.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
I think there's a pretty good chance Flynn is better than Jackson was. Lynch also ran behind several backup lineman in 2011. He finished the season with 1,416 total yards and 13 TDs.He's also one of the few RBs with next to zero competition for touches.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
I don't disagree in the short term, but I think lynch is replaceable and will end up in a committee by 2013. He is still useful, but may only be a weak RB2 or RB3 then. I think if you can afford to sell him and you get RB1 value, you should. I would.
Ok but last year Rice was injured and not very effective when on the field, the QB play was terrible and OL was young and suffered some key injuries? Giving all of that Lynch still performed well and you have to agree that every one of those factors has a realistic chance of improvement. The fact is the QB, WR and OL play could all improve around him but we've probably already seen the worst they can and it did not keep Lynch down.As for his efficiency metrics. Please expand. His yards per carry was 4.2, that's easy to see and that's not bad. Going deeper Pro Football Focus does their Elusive rating which factors in missed tackles and yards after contact as the primary measuring devices. Lynch was #15 among RB's which alone is fairly solid in of itself. But we all know a fresh RB is more effective than a worn down RB and if you isolate that to RB's who got over 200 carries he was 4th. Go ahead and lower the bar to RB's who got over 150 carries and he still places 8th overall which again is very solid. It's not just a one year thing either as his overall elusive rating from the previous years was 4th overall. So again I'm not sure what metrics you are relying on but these seem pretty solid to me.
golfguy
Footballguy
the key figure there is that both played behind horrible lines in buffalo. ypc matters, but what happened 3 years ago, not so much. different team, etc.
That Buffalo line wasn't nearly as bad as people say, and Fred Jackson outperformed him behind that same line.Lynch is solid, but not as good as most had hoped. He does have decent FF value due to opportunity.
As last year has shown us, being outperformed by Fred Jackson isn't exactly uncommon.
So you admit that he's not as good as Jackson- how about being outperformed by Justin Forsett in 2010? The point is, people have been making excuses for Lynch his entire career. When you've never in your career led your team in ypc, you deserve more of the blame IMO.
golfguy
Footballguy
how did forsett outplay him in 2010? and if forsett was better where was he last year?lynch had 2 good seasons to start off his career in buffalo, then had some injuries and off field issues. once the line gelled last season he showed what he could do. he is simply a top 12 dynasty rb and could be argued to be in the 8-12 range rather easily.
There is a long line of change-of-pace running backs that put up strong YPCs, but are not as good a RB as the starter. Justin Forsette belongs in this category (and I am a Forsette fan and own him in my main dynasty league). I don't believe Lynch was outperformed by Forsette in 2010, and neither did the coaches that traded for Lynch and made him the primary RB ahead of Justin.
Those 2 seasons really weren't that good. I'm not arguing about his FF value, I'm talking about his ability- he's just not an elite RB. See below.
2010 with Seattle: Forsett 118 carries for 523 yds (4.4 ypc) 33 rec for 252 yds (7.6 ypr) Lynch 165 carries for 573 yds (3.5 ypc) 21 rec for 138 yds (7.0 ypr)That isn't outperforming him? I didn't say he was better than him, just that he outperformed him. Someone always seems to outperform him, doesn't matter if they are change of pace guys like Forsett or guys who aren't like FJax.
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Probably wouldn't be too hard to make an argument for him above a couple of those guys ranked in the top 7.I'm a big fan of Lynch for 2013. Their passing offense was horrible last year. Any sort of pick up in that department will makes Lynch's job that much easier. It will also mean more scoring opportunities and Pete isn't shy about using Lynch in those situations. If there was a prop bet for most rushing touchdowns, I'd have to think Lynch would be one of the top 2-3 favorites. If he gets less than 320 carries and 15 touchdowns in 16 games, I'll be shocked.
