martz begging lions for job *link* (1 Viewer)

[Captain Blowhard]

*EDIT: Here's an in-depth take on the entire Martz saga from Tom Kowalsk, Sunday, February 5:

http://www.mlive.com/lions/stories/index.s...5530.xml&coll=1

Much of this rings true: it a fact the Lions were wooing Tom Moore as late as Monday--even though Martz's camp had leaked erroneous info to ESPN stating he was going to make up his mind on taking the Lions job by Monday. That was news to the Lions because the Lions not only hadn't offered the job to Martz but hadn't even interviewed him yet.

But you Martz lovers and Lion haters keep the spin going that makes you feel good.

 

[Bri]

link?

 

[Captain Blowhard]

link?

Here's the link for Mike O'Hara's comments. http://info.detnews.com/lionsblog/index.cfmThe Tom Kowalski comments were cut-and-pasted into my original post--you know, those things with the quotation marks around them? Those were Tom K's exact words.

Sorry I could only find two pieces of corroboration. These two guys work independent of each other for two different media organizations.

 

[Bri]

link?

Here's the link for Mike O'Hara's comments. http://info.detnews.com/lionsblog/index.cfmThe Tom Kowalski comments were cut-and-pasted into my original post--you know, those things with the quotation marks around them? Those were Tom K's exact words.

Sorry I could find two pieces of corroboration.

your topic said ya had a link so I was just asking, that's all. Not second guessing or berating or....just asking

 

[Captain Blowhard]

link?

Here's the link for Mike O'Hara's comments. http://info.detnews.com/lionsblog/index.cfmThe Tom Kowalski comments were cut-and-pasted into my original post--you know, those things with the quotation marks around them? Those were Tom K's exact words.

Sorry I could find two pieces of corroboration.

your topic said ya had a link so I was just asking, that's all. Not second guessing or berating or....just asking

Okay, cool. Sorry.

 

[Captain Blowhard]

This does prove, I guess, that it's no fun for people to post on this topic unless they can rip the Lions a new one.

 

[DrJ]

He still offered the guy a job. If it wasn't about money and he found something he didn't like after his reference checks, he's still ######ed for not checking those references before offering.You can spin it all you like, but the entire situation doesn't add up no matter how you want to slice it, and the Lions = 2nd rate organization. From top to bottom.

 

[Captain Blowhard]

He still offered the guy a job.    If it wasn't about money and he found something he didn't like after his reference checks, he's still ######ed for not checking those references before offering.

Lions = 2nd rate organization.  From top to bottom.

Yeah, Martz accepts--and then suddenly rejects--and then suddenly calls the Lions back (all within 36 hours, mind you) and it's the Lions at fault here. And i believe you were one of those in the other thread claiming this deal originally feel through because the Fords were cheapest owners on the planet? So is this your new spin? Or are you still clinging to your previous claim? Both? All of them? Whichever one ends up being the right one in the end? 50 on black another 50 on red? Thanks for sharing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.

 

[DrJ]

He still offered the guy a job.    If it wasn't about money and he found something he didn't like after his reference checks, he's still ######ed for not checking those references before offering.

Lions = 2nd rate organization.  From top to bottom.

Yeah, Martz accepts--and then suddenly rejects--and then suddenly calls the Lions back (all within 36 hours, mind you) and it's the Lions at fault here. Thanks for sharing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.

You suggested it was "baggage" that is preventing Marinelli from hiring him. What baggage is there preventing Marinelli from pulling the trigger that wasn't there when he offered the job in the first place?

 

[Captain Blowhard]

He still offered the guy a job.    If it wasn't about money and he found something he didn't like after his reference checks, he's still ######ed for not checking those references before offering.

Lions = 2nd rate organization.   From top to bottom.

Yeah, Martz accepts--and then suddenly rejects--and then suddenly calls the Lions back (all within 36 hours, mind you) and it's the Lions at fault here. Thanks for sharing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.

You suggested it was "baggage" that is preventing Marinelli from hiring him. What baggage is there preventing Marinelli from pulling the trigger that wasn't there when he offered the job in the first place?How about Martz rash behavior during THIS process?

 

[Big Score]

He still offered the guy a job.    If it wasn't about money and he found something he didn't like after his reference checks, he's still ######ed for not checking those references before offering.

Lions = 2nd rate organization.   From top to bottom.

Yeah, Martz accepts--and then suddenly rejects--and then suddenly calls the Lions back (all within 36 hours, mind you) and it's the Lions at fault here. Thanks for sharing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.

You suggested it was "baggage" that is preventing Marinelli from hiring him. What baggage is there preventing Marinelli from pulling the trigger that wasn't there when he offered the job in the first place?

How about Martz rash behavior during THIS process?

So wouldn't that be baggage?

 

[DrJ]

He still offered the guy a job.    If it wasn't about money and he found something he didn't like after his reference checks, he's still ######ed for not checking those references before offering.

Lions = 2nd rate organization.   From top to bottom.

Yeah, Martz accepts--and then suddenly rejects--and then suddenly calls the Lions back (all within 36 hours, mind you) and it's the Lions at fault here. Thanks for sharing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.

You suggested it was "baggage" that is preventing Marinelli from hiring him. What baggage is there preventing Marinelli from pulling the trigger that wasn't there when he offered the job in the first place?How about Martz rash behavior during THIS process?

Or it could be because the Lions are screwing this up, like they always do, and are a 2nd rate organization. And history supports that theory. Enjoy your Lions.

 

[Captain Blowhard]

He still offered the guy a job.    If it wasn't about money and he found something he didn't like after his reference checks, he's still ######ed for not checking those references before offering.

Lions = 2nd rate organization.   From top to bottom.

Yeah, Martz accepts--and then suddenly rejects--and then suddenly calls the Lions back (all within 36 hours, mind you) and it's the Lions at fault here. Thanks for sharing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.

You suggested it was "baggage" that is preventing Marinelli from hiring him. What baggage is there preventing Marinelli from pulling the trigger that wasn't there when he offered the job in the first place?How about Martz rash behavior during THIS process?

Or it could be because the Lions are screwing this up, like they always do, and are a 2nd rate organization. And history supports that theory. Enjoy your Lions.

So Martz comes into Detroit on Tuesday. He and Marinelli hit it off, Marinelli thinks he can make it work with Martz. Offer him the job, Marinelli tells Millen. Great. Martz accepts. Then Martz calls it off completely. Then he changes his mind. All within 24-36 hours.Marinelli says "damn, what's up with this guy? This is a side of him I hadn't seen before."

Aside from that, if you have any self-respect you don't quickly say "yes!" when someone jilts you like that and then changes their mind. Say you ask a girl out. Yes, she says. Then she changes her mind and says no. And then she changes it back again and says yes when she realizes she can't get another date.

If you have any self-respect, you say "gee, that's nice. Tell you what: I'll get back to you--maybe--after I take a couple of other women out."

Which is exactly what Marinelli's doing. Maybe the Lions still end up with Martz, maybe they don't. But Marinelli is serving notice this is his team and things will be done his way and in his timing.

 

[Captain Blowhard]

He still offered the guy a job.    If it wasn't about money and he found something he didn't like after his reference checks, he's still ######ed for not checking those references before offering.

Lions = 2nd rate organization.   From top to bottom.

Yeah, Martz accepts--and then suddenly rejects--and then suddenly calls the Lions back (all within 36 hours, mind you) and it's the Lions at fault here. Thanks for sharing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.

You suggested it was "baggage" that is preventing Marinelli from hiring him. What baggage is there preventing Marinelli from pulling the trigger that wasn't there when he offered the job in the first place?

How about Martz rash behavior during THIS process?

So wouldn't that be baggage?

Yes--which is exactly why the Lions are NOW being cautious. As O'Hara said, they will determine if the positives outweigh the negatives in this situation. The point is THEY will decide if Martz ends up Detroit, not Martz.

 

[DrJ]

Or perhaps the 2nd rate organization is leaking questionable information to make themselves look better.

No matter how you slice it, the Lions are 2nd rate.

 

[Captain Blowhard]

Or perhaps the 2nd rate organization is leaking questionable information to make themselves look better.

No matter how you slice it, the Lions are 2nd rate.

And the vaunted team you root for?

 

[DrJ]

Or perhaps the 2nd rate organization is leaking questionable information to make themselves look better.

No matter how you slice it, the Lions are 2nd rate. 

And the vaunted team you root for?

Da Bears, and when they were doing dumb things like accouncing McGinnest as the coach before he had accepted, I thought they were a 2nd rate organization with a terrible owner. When they hired a guy that led the 29th or so ranked Jaguars D instead, it was sad.When Hatley left and they had an outside agency search for their new GM, it was pitiful. But not nearly as pitiful as having just about every qualified candidate laugh in our faces.

And that 2nd rate owner pretty much screwed our stadium deal among other things as well.

I would love nothing more than to have them sell the team and stop ruining the Halas legacy, but that's probably not going to happen any time soon.

But feel free to keep defending that useless pile of management you've got there.

 

[Captain Blowhard]

Or perhaps the 2nd rate organization is leaking questionable information to make themselves look better.

No matter how you slice it, the Lions are 2nd rate. 

And the vaunted team you root for?

Da Bears, and when they were doing dumb things like accouncing McGinnest as the coach before he had accepted, I thought they were a 2nd rate organization with a terrible owner. When they hired a guy that led the 29th or so ranked Jaguars D instead, it was sad.When Hatley left and they had an outside agency search for their new GM, it was pitiful. But not nearly as pitiful as having just about every qualified candidate laugh in our faces.

And that 2nd rate owner pretty much screwed our stadium deal among other things as well.

I would love nothing more than to have them sell the team and stop ruining the Halas legacy, but that's probably not going to happen any time soon.

But feel free to keep defending that useless pile of management you've got there.

My point is this: There is plenty to criticize the Fords, Millen, and the Lions for...there is no shortage of things. It's rather easy to find millions of things to criticize them for--and I have.BUT this particular incident (Martz) isn't one of them.

That's my point.

 

[DrJ]

Or perhaps the 2nd rate organization is leaking questionable information to make themselves look better.

No matter how you slice it, the Lions are 2nd rate. 

And the vaunted team you root for?

Da Bears, and when they were doing dumb things like accouncing McGinnest as the coach before he had accepted, I thought they were a 2nd rate organization with a terrible owner. When they hired a guy that led the 29th or so ranked Jaguars D instead, it was sad.When Hatley left and they had an outside agency search for their new GM, it was pitiful. But not nearly as pitiful as having just about every qualified candidate laugh in our faces.

And that 2nd rate owner pretty much screwed our stadium deal among other things as well.

I would love nothing more than to have them sell the team and stop ruining the Halas legacy, but that's probably not going to happen any time soon.

But feel free to keep defending that useless pile of management you've got there.

My point is this: There is plenty to criticize the Fords, Millen, and the Lions for...there is no shortage of things. It's rather easy to find millions of things to criticize them for--and I have.BUT this particular incident (Martz) isn't one of them.

That's my point.

Who knows what is exactly true. Weren't you one of the people saying not to believe all of the reports during the week, there were so many of them?Sure, here's a report that says Martz is calling them back. But there have been others suggesting that it is the Lions. Yet you of course want to take this one at face value. We aren't going to know with 100% certainty what happened here most likely.

Bottom line, the Lions wanted Martz, it went public that he was basically their coach, and it blew up in their faces. It makes them look foolish and incompetent, no matter how you slice it.

 

[Bob Magaw]

something here isn't adding up...

if it wasn't about money, what was it?

if something surfaced from STL that was negative... why is millen saying it isn't dead...

if marinelli &/or millen didn't like him... on what possible basis could this still be in play... it would be over... they wouldn't be calling martz... & he wouldn't be call8ing them (unless he wanted a chance to counter whatever they heard... AFTER they interviewed him, that hypothetically soured them on him... if that is what happened, but it doesn't sound likely... this is all so hypothetical)...

it sure sounds like this is about money.

now you did take others to task for reporting what is in actuality probably spin & damage control from both sides...

its just that if a report surfaces that is sympathetic to DET... you want to run with it.

but if something that offers a POV sympathetic to martz... it is rampant speculation, & it is reckless & irresponsible to report it! you can't have it both ways.

jim thomas is a reputable nationally known STL beat writer (he used to work for sporting news & or usa today team reports)... he also used to write a lot of scouting profiles for draft prospects... he claims DET contacted martz... counter to what DET reports are saying... maybe thomas is a mouthpiece for martz...

but again, if this were NOT in play still, what good would it do for martz to feed disinformation & it was if it clearly wasn't... millen/marinelli would quash it & say that is ridiculous... but they haven't done that...

if he was out for being insubordinate before... clearly this would be over... it sure SEEMS like this has to do with money, despite spin control emanating from DET...

your not in any kind of priviliged information conduit position any more than any body else... there is conflicting information from both camps, & we don't really know the answer...

if anything... there are inferential signs & indications that point to this being about money, which you have vehemently denied (not sure on what basis?).

 

[MSULions]

the fords have not even blinked at overpaying anyone, player or coach, in the last five years. there is simply NO way that the Fords balked at paying Martz....none.

sounds an awful lot like Martz has shown himself to be the egomaniacal ###### we know him to be, which probably soured things rather quickly. Marinelli is in charge, i'm perfectly happy to let him make the calls here.

And thanks for the laughs DrJ....nothing like a bears fan talking #### upwards and down about something he knows nothing about. are there any better at that than Bears fans?

 

[Captain Blowhard]

Or perhaps the 2nd rate organization is leaking questionable information to make themselves look better.

No matter how you slice it, the Lions are 2nd rate. 

And the vaunted team you root for?

Da Bears, and when they were doing dumb things like accouncing McGinnest as the coach before he had accepted, I thought they were a 2nd rate organization with a terrible owner. When they hired a guy that led the 29th or so ranked Jaguars D instead, it was sad.When Hatley left and they had an outside agency search for their new GM, it was pitiful. But not nearly as pitiful as having just about every qualified candidate laugh in our faces.

And that 2nd rate owner pretty much screwed our stadium deal among other things as well.

I would love nothing more than to have them sell the team and stop ruining the Halas legacy, but that's probably not going to happen any time soon.

But feel free to keep defending that useless pile of management you've got there.

My point is this: There is plenty to criticize the Fords, Millen, and the Lions for...there is no shortage of things. It's rather easy to find millions of things to criticize them for--and I have.BUT this particular incident (Martz) isn't one of them.

That's my point.

Who knows what is exactly true. Weren't you one of the people saying not to believe all of the reports during the week, there were so many of them?Sure, here's a report that says Martz is calling them back. But there have been others suggesting that it is the Lions. Yet you of course want to take this one at face value. We aren't going to know with 100% certainty what happened here most likely.

Bottom line, the Lions wanted Martz, it went public that he was basically their coach, and it blew up in their faces. It makes them look foolish and incompetent, no matter how you slice it.

I agree: we don't know the entire story. So why are you blaming this situation on the Fords and the Lions without "knowing" for certain what the situation really is? A lot of people--like you--thought you had it all figured out. But there's new information today from two independent sources (neither of whom is a Lion apologist) that refutes that information.

I mean, your earlier contention that the Fords are "cheap" is just plain stupid. The Fords spend money like water: the Lions are always actively involved in free agency, they gave mooch $25 million, they pay Millen (God only knows why) big money. You can argue they've been stupid with their spending--and I would agree with you--but there is no way any informed person (i.e. not you) can call the Fords cheapskates.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

All I can say is that your user name is incredibly appropriate for your attitude. Congrats on matching it so closely.

 

[Captain Blowhard]

All I can say is that your user name is incredibly appropriate for your attitude. Congrats on matching it so closely.

You might want to consider changing your user name to "Useless as Boobs on a boar hog"--unless you redeem yourself and do end up providing useful information to the conversation here.Cheers

 

[ConstruxBoy]

All I can say is that your user name is incredibly appropriate for your attitude. Congrats on matching it so closely.

You might want to consider changing your user name to "Useless as Boobs on a boar hog"--unless you redeem yourself and do end up providing useful information to the conversation here.Cheers

 

[acefootball]

Help....I need a job.

That 1.8 mil settlement from the Rams runnin low already ?

 

[RBM]

Terrible thread title

 

[Captain Blowhard]

Terrible thread title

Really? Read the new link at the top of the page. The title of this thread is dead-on.

 

[Big Score]

Really? Read the new link at the top of the page. AFTER EDITING the title of this thread, and EDITING MY FIRST POST TO AD A LINK it is FINALLY dead-on.

Fixed it for you Captain Blowhard.

 

[acefootball]

Really? Read the new link at the top of the page. AFTER EDITING the title of this thread, and EDITING MY FIRST POST TO AD A LINK it is FINALLY dead-on.

Fixed it for you Captain Blowhard.