Marvin Harrison (1 Viewer)

[EdwardCat]

Please post any and all information about Harrison regarding week 11 here. Yes, I know there is another Harrison thread on the 1st page. That is related to week 10.

From the sounds of it (from the week 10 thread), Harrison might be done for the season. The rumor is the injury merits surgery but Marvin has opted not to and is attempting to rehab to the point where he can manage through the pain. Given that he's 35, it might be time to dump him in all formats. There might be someone in a dynasty league willing to take him but you aren't bound to find much.

 

[mtffl2]

 

[EdwardCat]

Any news as to whether he is practicing?

 

[packersfan]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Marvin will be questionable for this week but if it was a playoff game he'd be playing.

 

[packersfan]

Harrison didn't practice today.

So he was limited last week all three days but isn't practicing to start this week. That doesn't sound good.

I'm a big Marvin fan but he's teetering on the edge of being a complete waste of a roster spot.

 

[EdwardCat]

I'm starting to agree. It doesn't seem likely he will play again this year. He regressed the past few weeks. Playing limited snaps - GTD - declared out a few days before the game (not traveling with the team, even) - not even practicing. Sad to see a receiver go from being No. 1 in the league to washed up in such a short amount of time.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I'm starting to agree. It doesn't seem likely he will play again this year. He regressed the past few weeks. Playing limited snaps - GTD - declared out a few days before the game (not traveling with the team, even) - not even practicing. Sad to see a receiver go from being No. 1 in the league to washed up in such a short amount of time.

He's hurt, not washed up. Maybe having the healing properties of a guy in his mid 30s instead of mid 20s ain't helping, but he's not washed up, far from it. Im beginning to think that there is something to the rumor that he had surgery during the bye week.

 

[shims3]

If he was not able to play this year, don't you think they would have IR'ed him. They obviously need his roster spot since they dressed only 17 guys on the offensive ball last week. I think he will be fine and they are using caution on him. They know they will be a playoff team, so why rush him back. I bet he plays this week, worst case next week. PEYTON NEEDS HIM!

 

[3nOut]

I'm starting to agree. It doesn't seem likely he will play again this year. He regressed the past few weeks. Playing limited snaps - GTD - declared out a few days before the game (not traveling with the team, even) - not even practicing. Sad to see a receiver go from being No. 1 in the league to washed up in such a short amount of time.

I don't think he's washed up, just injured. I still think he can put up top 12 numbers next year of he's fully healthy. That said, I wouldn't mind picking him up as my WR4 as insurance. I play my top 2 WRs (4 Wr limit, play 2) 80-85% of the time, my WR3 a few times for byes or matchups, and my WR4 in emergencies only anyway. Why not take a shot if you think you have a shot at your championship? Worst case scenario, he doesn't play and you lose little (you should offer little). Best case, he gets healthy in time for your FF playoffs and you upgrade your WRs.

 

[EdwardCat]

If he was not able to play this year, don't you think they would have IR'ed him. They obviously need his roster spot since they dressed only 17 guys on the offensive ball last week. I think he will be fine and they are using caution on him. They know they will be a playoff team, so why rush him back. I bet he plays this week, worst case next week. PEYTON NEEDS HIM!

 

[dallas428]

If he was not able to play this year, don't you think they would have IR'ed him. They obviously need his roster spot since they dressed only 17 guys on the offensive ball last week. I think he will be fine and they are using caution on him. They know they will be a playoff team, so why rush him back. I bet he plays this week, worst case next week. PEYTON NEEDS HIM!

what if they know if they ir him he cant help them in the playoffs...they may be leaving him on the roster knowing they are a playoff team and hoping he can help them in the playoffs...i bet he doesnt play this week or next...

 

[noneother]

as long as he is a last minute decision each week every team they play needs to think about a game plan that includes defending him.

 

[KingEl]

A couple or few weeks ago, it was widely reported that team doctors has "cleared" him to play. The fact that he's been unable too and actually seems to be regressing since then, can only be bad. I think Colts might hold him until the last week or so- get him some work, then get what they can out of him in the playoffs. Maybe even as just a decoy.

 

[packersfan]

A couple or few weeks ago, it was widely reported that team doctors has "cleared" him to play. The fact that he's been unable too and actually seems to be regressing since then, can only be bad.

I don't see any positive spin on this either. Like I said before, he is very close to becoming a waste of a roster spot - especially if you own him in smaller leagues or ones with tight roster limits. I agree his situation seems to be regressing.

 

[dallas428]

not sure if all this means anything but if they thought marvin was playing anytime soon i doubt we would be seeing all these wr moves to the roster....just a guess though

November 15, 2007, 01:03

The Indianapolis Colts announced on Wednesday that they have removed wide receiver Jemalle Cornelius from their practice squad.

November 14, 2007, 07:53

The Indianapolis Colts brought in former Tennessee Titans WR Courtney Roby for a tryout yesterday.

November 14, 2007, 02:37

The Indianapolis Colts announced on Tuesday that they have signed wide receiver Onrea Jones to their practice squad.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

The "buzz" I've heard is that Harrison's knee injury was such that he could opt for surgery (likely miss the season or most of it) or try and rehab it with therapy. He's chosen the latter. Likely won't see the field, except for maybe a test run or two late in the year, until the playoffs. May not be much of a factor depending upon how much "healing" has occurred.

 

[brobe4]

The "buzz" I've heard is that Harrison's knee injury was such that he could opt for surgery (likely miss the season or most of it) or try and rehab it with therapy. He's chosen the latter. Likely won't see the field, except for maybe a test run or two late in the year, until the playoffs. May not be much of a factor depending upon how much "healing" has occurred.

I believe this to be the case with harrison. When the colts get into games where the loser goes home you will see harrsion maybe sooner, but i would be suprised if it was sooner.

 

[djcolts]

I think the soonest he'd play is week 13 vs. Jax. No real insight - but the Colts place more emphasis on division games than any other regular season game.

 

[packersfan]

I think the soonest he'd play is week 13 vs. Jax. No real insight - but the Colts place more emphasis on division games than any other regular season game.

I'd agree with that normally but if they didn't play Harrison against the Patriots - in a game with huge playoff implications - I think all bets are off in terms of how they normally approach things. The vibes I'm getting about him are getting worse and worse. That he didn't practice at all yesterday after practicing in some fashion all week last week leads me to think he's regressing.As far as the WR moves the team has made, those could be an indication Harrison won't be back anytime soon or they could be a reaction to the fact Anthony Gonzalez is out as well or both.

 

[Da Guru]

I don`t think Harrison is washed up, I think he has knee damage that needs surgically repaired.

 

[djcolts]

I think the soonest he'd play is week 13 vs. Jax. No real insight - but the Colts place more emphasis on division games than any other regular season game.

I'd agree with that normally but if they didn't play Harrison against the Patriots - in a game with huge playoff implications - I think all bets are off in terms of how they normally approach things. The vibes I'm getting about him are getting worse and worse. That he didn't practice at all yesterday after practicing in some fashion all week last week leads me to think he's regressing.As far as the WR moves the team has made, those could be an indication Harrison won't be back anytime soon or they could be a reaction to the fact Anthony Gonzalez is out as well or both.

I think we basically agree. I'm saying I don't expect him to play in the next two weeks at all, and playing vs. Jax would be the best case scenario.

 

[packersfan]

I think the soonest he'd play is week 13 vs. Jax. No real insight - but the Colts place more emphasis on division games than any other regular season game.

I'd agree with that normally but if they didn't play Harrison against the Patriots - in a game with huge playoff implications - I think all bets are off in terms of how they normally approach things. The vibes I'm getting about him are getting worse and worse. That he didn't practice at all yesterday after practicing in some fashion all week last week leads me to think he's regressing.As far as the WR moves the team has made, those could be an indication Harrison won't be back anytime soon or they could be a reaction to the fact Anthony Gonzalez is out as well or both.

I think we basically agree. I'm saying I don't expect him to play in the next two weeks at all, and playing vs. Jax would be the best case scenario.

I think he's become someone Harrison owners in smaller leagues or one with tight rosters need to seriously consider dropping. I'm in the latter and am giving very strong consideration to doing that. It's reaching a point where not only do you have to wonder when (or if) Harrison is going to return but how good he'll be when (or if) he does. Can he be a WR2? If so you keep him but if he's only going to be a WR3 you might be better off finding someone else.The other thing to consider is we're running out of time for Harrison to make a meaningful fantasy contribution. If he sits this week, that means there are only six games left. Most leagues exclude Week 17 but chances are Harrison sits that game anyway if the Colts have nothing to play for so Harrison is now left with only five games this season to make an impact. If there were guarantees he'd return for those five games he's worth keeping. But what signs are we seeing that he's going to return for Week 12 or Week 13 or at any point? We're not seeing any positive signs with Harrison right now. That's the troubling thing.

Compare that to Javon Walker, for example, who did some work in practice yesterday and looks to be progressing. Or compare that to Andre Johnson, who missed a lot of time but is now all the way back. Or Deion Branch. We're seeing positive signs with those guys but none with Harrison. For me, as a Harrison owner I'm looking for something positive here that will lead me to think he has some quality value the rest of the season but I'm not finding anything. The local papers aren't even talking about him anymore; they just lump him in with the rest of the injured players which leads me to think they're not sure he'll be back anytime.

What a mess.

 

[fsufan]

didnt Dungy say if the SD game would of been a playoff game, Harrison would of played?

i thought I heard or read this

 

[wide left]

With no WW moves left, I wish they would just list him as "out" so I could use an injury move for him...

 

[phthalatemagic]

I'm starting to agree. It doesn't seem likely he will play again this year. He regressed the past few weeks. Playing limited snaps - GTD - declared out a few days before the game (not traveling with the team, even) - not even practicing. Sad to see a receiver go from being No. 1 in the league to washed up in such a short amount of time.

He's hurt, not washed up. Maybe having the healing properties of a guy in his mid 30s instead of mid 20s ain't helping, but he's not washed up, far from it. Im beginning to think that there is something to the rumor that he had surgery during the bye week.

When he becomes healthy, at the end of this year or next year - do you think he will be as good as was in 2006? Why/not?

 

[phthalatemagic]

didnt Dungy say if the SD game would of been a playoff game, Harrison would of played?i thought I heard or read this

Yep, he said that.

 

[EdwardCat]

didnt Dungy say if the SD game would of been a playoff game, Harrison would of played?i thought I heard or read this

Yep, he said that.

They've said that about 3 games now. Yet he continues to regress. I do believe he could come back next year and have another great season. He doesn't seem to be slowing down (regardless of my stupid washed-up comment before).

 

[G-Money]

didnt Dungy say if the SD game would of been a playoff game, Harrison would of played?

i thought I heard or read this

Yep, he said that.

They've said that about 3 games now. Yet he continues to regress. I do believe he could come back next year and have another great season. He doesn't seem to be slowing down (regardless of my stupid washed-up comment before).

I'm not sure where you guys hear he's regressing? If I had to make a guess, I'd say he's able to play now. Is he 100%? Obviously not. My guess is he's 80% (+), so why take any chance of running him out there until they REALLY need him? I don't think Dungy is being dishonest a bit, he's just not at a level of health where it's remotely worth risking him any further. Will he make it back before the playoffs? Highly unlikely IMO. Come playofs, I bet he's on the field.

 

[EdwardCat]

didnt Dungy say if the SD game would of been a playoff game, Harrison would of played?

i thought I heard or read this

Yep, he said that.

They've said that about 3 games now. Yet he continues to regress. I do believe he could come back next year and have another great season. He doesn't seem to be slowing down (regardless of my stupid washed-up comment before).

I'm not sure where you guys hear he's regressing? If I had to make a guess, I'd say he's able to play now. Is he 100%? Obviously not. My guess is he's 80% (+), so why take any chance of running him out there until they REALLY need him? I don't think Dungy is being dishonest a bit, he's just not at a level of health where it's remotely worth risking him any further. Will he make it back before the playoffs? Highly unlikely IMO. Come playofs, I bet he's on the field.

Regression:1) Played against Jacksonville

2) Declared out against Carolina

3) Declared out against Patriots (practiced somewhat)

4) Didn't even travel with the team to SD (practiced somewhat...was running)

5) Not even practicing for game against Chiefs.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I don't know if he's regressing, but the notion that he is being "saved" for the playoffs seems off to me.

I don't think with 7 games left to go in the football season, with only a 1 game division lead, a two game losing streak and the loss of their premiere defensive player in Dwight Freeney to boot that the Colts would be assuming anything at this point. From a professionalism standpoint and how they seem to approach their business, "saving" a player for a time later in the season when it counts, just doesn't seem very Colts-like or Dungy-esque.

I think it's fairly simple. If he gets better, he'll play. If he doesn't he won't. Being medically cleared to play has nothing to do with being effective in the current condition you're in.

 

[phthalatemagic]

didnt Dungy say if the SD game would of been a playoff game, Harrison would of played?

i thought I heard or read this

Yep, he said that.

They've said that about 3 games now. Yet he continues to regress. I do believe he could come back next year and have another great season. He doesn't seem to be slowing down (regardless of my stupid washed-up comment before).

I'm not sure where you guys hear he's regressing? If I had to make a guess, I'd say he's able to play now. Is he 100%? Obviously not. My guess is he's 80% (+), so why take any chance of running him out there until they REALLY need him? I don't think Dungy is being dishonest a bit, he's just not at a level of health where it's remotely worth risking him any further. Will he make it back before the playoffs? Highly unlikely IMO. Come playofs, I bet he's on the field.

Regression:1) Played against Jacksonville

2) Declared out against Carolina

3) Declared out against Patriots (practiced somewhat)

4) Didn't even travel with the team to SD (practiced somewhat...was running)

5) Not even practicing for game against Chiefs.

That's not regressing. He's out. If he regresses past out, he'd either be IR'd, kicked off the team, or he'd start to wear diapers and suck his thumb again.

 

[sholditch]

I'm seriously considering cutting him. He doesn't look likely to play again this year. There's no doubt he's not making progress, and regression isn't an exaggeration. This is really bad.

 

[phthalatemagic]

There's no doubt he's not making progress

Yes, there is. There is quite a bit of doubt.

 

[G-Money]

didnt Dungy say if the SD game would of been a playoff game, Harrison would of played?

i thought I heard or read this

Yep, he said that.

They've said that about 3 games now. Yet he continues to regress. I do believe he could come back next year and have another great season. He doesn't seem to be slowing down (regardless of my stupid washed-up comment before).

I'm not sure where you guys hear he's regressing? If I had to make a guess, I'd say he's able to play now. Is he 100%? Obviously not. My guess is he's 80% (+), so why take any chance of running him out there until they REALLY need him? I don't think Dungy is being dishonest a bit, he's just not at a level of health where it's remotely worth risking him any further. Will he make it back before the playoffs? Highly unlikely IMO. Come playofs, I bet he's on the field.

Regression:1) Played against Jacksonville

2) Declared out against Carolina

3) Declared out against Patriots (practiced somewhat)

4) Didn't even travel with the team to SD (practiced somewhat...was running)

5) Not even practicing for game against Chiefs.

That's not regressing. He's out. If he regresses past out, he'd either be IR'd, kicked off the team, or he'd start to wear diapers and suck his thumb again.

I guess that's where I was coming from. I think it's not so much that he's getting worse (regressing), as much as he's just not getting better/improving quickly enough.

 

[sholditch]

There's no doubt he's not making progress

Yes, there is. There is quite a bit of doubt.

Really?Marvin Harrison (knee) sat out Wednesday's practice and, as discussed in this space yesterday, shouldn't be counted any time soon.How is not practicing for the fifth-straight week and missing his fourth game since the break progress?

 

[packersfan]

didnt Dungy say if the SD game would of been a playoff game, Harrison would of played?

i thought I heard or read this

Yep, he said that.

They've said that about 3 games now. Yet he continues to regress. I do believe he could come back next year and have another great season. He doesn't seem to be slowing down (regardless of my stupid washed-up comment before).

I'm not sure where you guys hear he's regressing? If I had to make a guess, I'd say he's able to play now. Is he 100%? Obviously not. My guess is he's 80% (+), so why take any chance of running him out there until they REALLY need him? I don't think Dungy is being dishonest a bit, he's just not at a level of health where it's remotely worth risking him any further. Will he make it back before the playoffs? Highly unlikely IMO. Come playofs, I bet he's on the field.

Regression:1) Played against Jacksonville

2) Declared out against Carolina

3) Declared out against Patriots (practiced somewhat)

4) Didn't even travel with the team to SD (practiced somewhat...was running)

5) Not even practicing for game against Chiefs.

That's not regressing.

In my opinion, if you go from doing something for three days at practice one week to doing nothing in practice the following week (for the first day anyway) that's regressing. I'm not sure this is a case of semantics either. He started this week off by doing less in practice than he did for the entire week last week (which resulted in him not playing again). If he sits out completely again today there's no question he's going backwards.

 

[phthalatemagic]

In my opinion, if you go from doing something for three days at practice one week to doing nothing in practice the following week (for the first day anyway) that's regressing. I'm not sure this is a case of semantics either. He started this week off by doing less in practice than he did for the entire week last week (which resulted in him not playing again). If he sits out completely again today there's no question he's going backwards.

The outcome is the same.

 

[phthalatemagic]

There's no doubt he's not making progress

Yes, there is. There is quite a bit of doubt.

Really?Marvin Harrison (knee) sat out Wednesday's practice and, as discussed in this space yesterday, shouldn't be counted any time soon.How is not practicing for the fifth-straight week and missing his fourth game since the break progress?

Wait a second buddy. You said there was no doubt. I disagree. You cannot determine the amount of doubt in the world regarding Harrison's recovery. I have doubt, other people in this thread have doubt. You are wrong about the fact that "there is no doubt..."The End.

 

[Max Power]

I don't know if he's regressing, but the notion that he is being "saved" for the playoffs seems off to me.I don't think with 7 games left to go in the football season, with only a 1 game division lead, a two game losing streak and the loss of their premiere defensive player in Dwight Freeney to boot that the Colts would be assuming anything at this point. From a professionalism standpoint and how they seem to approach their business, "saving" a player for a time later in the season when it counts, just doesn't seem very Colts-like or Dungy-esque.I think it's fairly simple. If he gets better, he'll play. If he doesn't he won't. Being medically cleared to play has nothing to do with being effective in the current condition you're in.

As history has shown us, the Colts dont play too well on a cold day in New England. I would think they would be trying to win every game in hopes of a Pats slide.

 

[packersfan]

In my opinion, if you go from doing something for three days at practice one week to doing nothing in practice the following week (for the first day anyway) that's regressing. I'm not sure this is a case of semantics either. He started this week off by doing less in practice than he did for the entire week last week (which resulted in him not playing again). If he sits out completely again today there's no question he's going backwards.

The outcome is the same.

The point is if he was doing more in practice you could feel good about the chances of him possibly returning sometime soon. But if he's doing less in practice there's very little reason to believe he'll be returning sometime soon and plenty of reasons to believe the injury could keep him out for several more games.That's why I've been saying he's on the brink of being someone who may need to be dropped in a lot of leagues. As tough as it is to part with Marvin Harrison that may be the prudent move to make if you can't afford to waste a roster spot on a player who's regressing physically.

 

[packersfan]

I don't know if he's regressing, but the notion that he is being "saved" for the playoffs seems off to me.I don't think with 7 games left to go in the football season, with only a 1 game division lead, a two game losing streak and the loss of their premiere defensive player in Dwight Freeney to boot that the Colts would be assuming anything at this point. From a professionalism standpoint and how they seem to approach their business, "saving" a player for a time later in the season when it counts, just doesn't seem very Colts-like or Dungy-esque.I think it's fairly simple. If he gets better, he'll play. If he doesn't he won't. Being medically cleared to play has nothing to do with being effective in the current condition you're in.

As history has shown us, the Colts dont play too well on a cold day in New England. I would think they would be trying to win every game in hopes of a Pats slide.

I agree. The fact he missed a HUGE game against New England was a major red flag and the fact he missed last week's game despite the fact the Colts were down to me and a guy they picked up off the street at WR was another huge red flag. No way Harrison misses these games if he's close to being able to play and no way he misses this week's game with the team badly needing a win if he's able to play. There are red flags all over the place with regard to where he's at physically now and where he could be going forward. I'm trying to find something positive since he's on my team and I need him but I've yet to find a single positive thing to hang my hat on. If someone else has one, please share it because as the days go by here the picture just get more and more bleak for Harrison.

 

[packersfan]

Thursday update from RotoWorld. I think we're inching closer to sticking a fork in Marvin:

Marvin Harrison (knee) missed Colts practice again Thursday.

Harrison will be listed as questionable at best when the final injury report is released on Friday. Owners should not be holding out much hope.

 

[Max Power]

Now I think Ed Werner's report 2 weeks ago might have been right on the Money.

A big thumbs down to the Colts for basically calling him a liar.

 

[phthalatemagic]

a player who's regressing physically.

Link?

 

[packersfan]

a player who's regressing physically.

Link?

See the practice reports from the past two weeks. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue about here. I'm as big a fan of this guy as you're going to find but things look real bleak for him at the moment. He's regressed in terms of his practice participation the past two weeks and one has to seriously wonder not when he's going to return but if he's going to return.

 

[phthalatemagic]

a player who's regressing physically.

Link?

See the practice reports from the past two weeks. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue about here. I'm as big a fan of this guy as you're going to find but things look real bleak for him at the moment. He's regressed in terms of his practice participation the past two weeks and one has to seriously wonder not when he's going to return but if he's going to return.

OutOutOutOutI don't see a regression. Maybe you have a quote from a coach?

 

[packersfan]

a player who's regressing physically.

Link?

See the practice reports from the past two weeks. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue about here. I'm as big a fan of this guy as you're going to find but things look real bleak for him at the moment. He's regressed in terms of his practice participation the past two weeks and one has to seriously wonder not when he's going to return but if he's going to return.

OutOutOutOutI don't see a regression. Maybe you have a quote from a coach?

He practiced all week last week in limited fashion. He's done zip so far this week. He's regressing in my opinion. Feel free to believe otherwise if you like.

 

[DynOmite]

Someone change the thread title from "news" to "arguing back and forth about nonsense"

 

[packersfan]

Someone change the thread title from "news" to "arguing back and forth about nonsense"

I'm not trying to contribute to any nonsense so my apologies. I do, however, think the fact Harrison is doing less at practice this week is a rather significant issue and is not something to sweep under the rug. It's a major red flag in my opinion.

 

[phthalatemagic]

a player who's regressing physically.

Link?

See the practice reports from the past two weeks. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue about here. I'm as big a fan of this guy as you're going to find but things look real bleak for him at the moment. He's regressed in terms of his practice participation the past two weeks and one has to seriously wonder not when he's going to return but if he's going to return.

OutOutOutOutI don't see a regression. Maybe you have a quote from a coach?

He practiced all week last week in limited fashion. He's done zip so far this week. He's regressing in my opinion. Feel free to believe otherwise if you like.

Thanks. I'll keep correcting you.