Marvin Harrison (1 Viewer)

[Liquid Tension]

I read through the threads about Marvin and a few people (like myself) felt ranking him around 28 seemed very low. In 2006 he was the #1 receiver and I do not feel guys just fall off the cliff, they gradually decline barring a major injury. Maybe this was an injury like that but supposedly I read he looked good? Indy fans and anyone who watched pre season games with him (I didn't record the Indy game) please give feedback on how he looked. Was he sharp?

I think he represent excellent value in a redraft or for a team that is winning this year in a dynasty league. I see him finishing around 15-20.

Thoughts?

 

[David Yudkin]

Here are the only WR at 36 since 1960 to score 100 fantasy points in a season. The other number is the ranking that that total WOULD have ranked in 2007.

1 Jerry Rice 1998 169.70 (11)

2 Jimmy Smith 2005 138.30 (21)

3 Joey Galloway 2007 137.50 (22)

4 Cris Carter 2001 123.50 (29)

5 James Lofton 1992 114.60 (33)

6 Charlie Joiner 1983 114.00 (33)

7 Tim Brown 2002 106.90 (38)

That's it. Even if Harrison was 100% last year, I'd STILL question how well he would do this year.

 

[Jimmy James]

As an AG owner, I'm sharpening the tines on my trusty four pointer. I dug what Marvin stood for as a player, but it's time for new blood.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Here are the only WR at 36 since 1960 to score 100 fantasy points in a season. The other number is the ranking that that total WOULD have ranked in 2007.1 Jerry Rice 1998 169.70 (11)2 Jimmy Smith 2005 138.30 (21)3 Joey Galloway 2007 137.50 (22)4 Cris Carter 2001 123.50 (29)5 James Lofton 1992 114.60 (33)6 Charlie Joiner 1983 114.00 (33)7 Tim Brown 2002 106.90 (38)That's it. Even if Harrison was 100% last year, I'd STILL question how well he would do this year.

Here is the issue with this David. We are seeing older guys do much more than they ever have. Isn't it obvious that modern "medicine" and work out techniques are keeping our athletes performing longer and better? I mean just look at the receivers you have listed here. Nothing from 1960-1983 and then 3 in the 90's and 4 in 2000-2007 and there will be another one this year.The numbers you throw up are fine, but tracking players should also show you that guys (barring injury) don't just drop from #1 - #28 in 2 years because of age alone. I say alone because many times there may be other factors that break into football (more-so that baseball)I think passing him after 22 is a mistake because he will outperform that.What is important to me is how he looks though because numbers don't mean anything if he is slow.

 

[David Yudkin]

I have expressed a more thorough opinion addressing a lot of other reasons to have concerns over Harrison in ither threads. If you want to disagree, fine, but there are plenty of reasons to be concerned about MH.

As for your assertion that players don't fall off a cliff . . .

Rice fell from 8th to 38th in a single season (he later had a resurgence, but at a similar age as Harrison he slipped).

Smith hovered around the Top 20 for several years and retired.

Galloway is not looking great heading into this season.

Carter fell from 10 to 32 to 129.

Lofton fell from 18 to 98.

At a slighlty older age, Joiner went from the Top 15-20 to 61.

Brown fell from 9 to 39 to 65 to 106.

Extract what you will from that.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I have expressed a more thorough opinion addressing a lot of other reasons to have concerns over Harrison in ither threads. If you want to disagree, fine, but there are plenty of reasons to be concerned about MH.As for your assertion that players don't fall off a cliff . . .Rice fell from 8th to 38th in a single season (he later had a resurgence, but at a similar age as Harrison he slipped).Smith hovered around the Top 20 for several years and retired.Galloway is not looking great heading into this season.Carter fell from 10 to 32 to 129.Lofton fell from 18 to 98.At a slighlty older age, Joiner went from the Top 15-20 to 61.Brown fell from 9 to 39 to 65 to 106.Extract what you will from that.

That was a good comeback as you listed all the guys as part of the subset. Smith seemed to do well and Galloway looks OK from what i read, but all the other guys dropped quickly. Interestingly Smith and Galloway are the most recent examples which would lead into my train of thought, but all the others did drop off precipitously.I am not saying don't have caution with MH, but I would grab him at 22WR mark in a heartbeat.

 

[David Yudkin]

I have expressed a more thorough opinion addressing a lot of other reasons to have concerns over Harrison in ither threads. If you want to disagree, fine, but there are plenty of reasons to be concerned about MH.As for your assertion that players don't fall off a cliff . . .Rice fell from 8th to 38th in a single season (he later had a resurgence, but at a similar age as Harrison he slipped).Smith hovered around the Top 20 for several years and retired.Galloway is not looking great heading into this season.Carter fell from 10 to 32 to 129.Lofton fell from 18 to 98.At a slighlty older age, Joiner went from the Top 15-20 to 61.Brown fell from 9 to 39 to 65 to 106.Extract what you will from that.

That was a good comeback as you listed all the guys as part of the subset. Smith seemed to do well and Galloway looks OK from what i read, but all the other guys dropped quickly. Interestingly Smith and Galloway are the most recent examples which would lead into my train of thought, but all the others did drop off precipitously.I am not saying don't have caution with MH, but I would grab him at 22WR mark in a heartbeat.

I'm certainly not going to prevent you from taking Harrison, but there are other guys I see as better and safer options. IMO, NOT taking Harrsion would alleviate me from the headache of will he or won't play if he's nicked up, whether he's committed to playing, and has his game eroded to the point where Gonzalez becomes the regular #2 and Harrison sees limited action (by design not by injury).Harrison's ADP has already risen to WR20. In the vicinity, I would much prefer Holmes or Cotchery. A round or two later I would rather have Chambers, Driver, or Burleson. And if things continue as they are, Harrison will end up a Top 15 pick while Gonzalez will end up in the 40s. At that point, I'd be buying as many Gonzalezes that I could get my hands on, as I see him on par or surpassing Harrison's numbers.I think that's the missing component that is not being discussed. Some of the other "old timers" continued to see a lot of playing time because there were few other options. In Indy's case, they have a young buck that could very easily be more productive.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Marvin still has Manning throwing to him and that chemistry should keep him going as well. Homers need to give us a physical update on Marvin?

 

[pizzatyme]

Physically he is fine. He's making all the cuts without hesitation. He has repeatedly beat the Colts DBs in TC with terrific moves.

He's old, coming off injury, and working through off-the-field issues. But, physically, he appears to be fine.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Physically he is fine. He's making all the cuts without hesitation. He has repeatedly beat the Colts DBs in TC with terrific moves.He's old, coming off injury, and working through off-the-field issues. But, physically, he appears to be fine.

Thanks about the physical part. So in your estimation he looks sharp (even at his age?). I think the off field stuff is not an issue from what I have heard.I really feel that Marvin will break the statistical history and be very solid this year

 

[David Yudkin]

Physically he is fine. He's making all the cuts without hesitation. He has repeatedly beat the Colts DBs in TC with terrific moves.He's old, coming off injury, and working through off-the-field issues. But, physically, he appears to be fine.

There were reports for weeks/months at a time last year that he was physically fine. Maybe there is a disctinction between last year and this year, but it appears the team's story mirrors what they were saying last year.Again, different strokes for different folks. Some will say the glass is half full while the others will say it's half empty . . .

 

[djcolts]

Marvin looks OK so far, but I can't tell yet if he's truly "back" because all I see are short routes (mainly because Sorgi throws nothing but short balls). Even if he's OK, the Colts have a lot more receiving options this year than they did last year. I think they will be better at backup TE (Robinson and Tamme look very good in pre-season) and backup WR (Gonzalez now knows the system - and I really like Pierre Garcon for the future - he's already better than Aaron Moorehead ever was). Also - in spite of how it looks in pre-season, I think the overall running game will be better (better backup RBs, and more line depth, especially in the interior of the line). So, I don't see Manning forcing the ball to Marvin like the old days - there's just no need.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I too have heard the quiet talk about Marvin losing interest.

Unfortunately, I cannot dismiss the mental picture of Manning to Harrison, particularly in the end zone.

Because of this perspective, I cannot force myself to take the following similar projection guys over Marvin:

R White, G Jennings, L Coles, Evans, Ward, etc.

BTW, I do like slightly lower value guys versus Harrison; it's just a question of overall team makeup and what

you're trying to do fielding a certain position:

N Burleson, D Driver, Santana Moss

Because of touchdown potential, Marvin has a much higher ceiling, IMO. I see Clark as the big loser here, but

I also think all the other Indy receivers will have to "make room for Marvin" fantasy wise.

 

[vffkl]

Harrison will finish inside the top 10 this year. I personally think he will finish top 5. He has this season and next so if your in a Dynasty league I would unload him after the season for younger talent or picks. Manning will make sure Harrison gets his passes and with teams rolling coverage to the younger Wayne that helps early on. I look for a 2006 type season for the Colts WR's with Wayne being around number 1 (Moss should be #1 again) and Harrison around 5 or 6.

Harrison is the type if his head or heart isn't in the game he wouldn't be playing. When Harrison's skill drop to the point he is the number 3 option he retires. The way Harrison plays and practices, the respect he has from his coaches, his QB, and teammates AG is not going to be the number 2 this year or next barring injury. Marvin is a perfectionist so once he starts to slip he walks way and I think he has it planned perfectly to retire when his current contract is up.

This is just my perspective as a 40 year Colts fan.

 

[David Yudkin]

Harrison will finish inside the top 10 this year. I personally think he will finish top 5. He has this season and next so if your in a Dynasty league I would unload him after the season for younger talent or picks. Manning will make sure Harrison gets his passes and with teams rolling coverage to the younger Wayne. I look for a 2006 type season for the Colts WR's with Wayne being around number 1 (Moss should be #1 again) and Harrison around 5 or 6. Harrison is the type if his head or heart isn't in the game he wouldn't be playing. When Harrison's skill drop to the point he is the number 3 option he retires. The way Harrison plays and practices, the respect he has from his coaches, his QB, and teammates AG is not going to be the number 2 this year or next barring injury. Marvin is a perfectionist so once he starts to slip he walks way and I think he has it planned perfectly to retire when his current contract is up. This is just my perspective as a 40 year Colts fan.

As a Colts fan, how do you explain last year's debacle?

 

[djcolts]

Harrison will finish inside the top 10 this year. I personally think he will finish top 5. He has this season and next so if your in a Dynasty league I would unload him after the season for younger talent or picks. Manning will make sure Harrison gets his passes and with teams rolling coverage to the younger Wayne. I look for a 2006 type season for the Colts WR's with Wayne being around number 1 (Moss should be #1 again) and Harrison around 5 or 6. Harrison is the type if his head or heart isn't in the game he wouldn't be playing. When Harrison's skill drop to the point he is the number 3 option he retires. The way Harrison plays and practices, the respect he has from his coaches, his QB, and teammates AG is not going to be the number 2 this year or next barring injury. Marvin is a perfectionist so once he starts to slip he walks way and I think he has it planned perfectly to retire when his current contract is up. This is just my perspective as a 40 year Colts fan.

As a Colts fan, how do you explain last year's debacle?

How can anyone explain it? No one knows the full story, there was so much rumor and innuedo about his injury and his relationship with the team last year.

 

[vffkl]

Harrison will finish inside the top 10 this year. I personally think he will finish top 5. He has this season and next so if your in a Dynasty league I would unload him after the season for younger talent or picks. Manning will make sure Harrison gets his passes and with teams rolling coverage to the younger Wayne. I look for a 2006 type season for the Colts WR's with Wayne being around number 1 (Moss should be #1 again) and Harrison around 5 or 6. Harrison is the type if his head or heart isn't in the game he wouldn't be playing. When Harrison's skill drop to the point he is the number 3 option he retires. The way Harrison plays and practices, the respect he has from his coaches, his QB, and teammates AG is not going to be the number 2 this year or next barring injury. Marvin is a perfectionist so once he starts to slip he walks way and I think he has it planned perfectly to retire when his current contract is up. This is just my perspective as a 40 year Colts fan.

As a Colts fan, how do you explain last year's debacle?

The same way they handled Edgerrin's ACL a few years back. He's fine He's fine, just a bruise oh wait he needs surgery. It's Polian playing games. Although once Harrison missed 3 games I figured he was done for the season. I dont know about you but that was the first ruptured bursa sack injury I had ever heard of so not a lot of history to go on for recovery time and impact on the player. I also think that he kept trying to come back to soon which may have prolonged the recovery. If I remember correctly he tried to comeback 2 or 3 times during the season until I think they shut him down until the playoffs. Its not like you are going to hear directly from Harrison since he doesn't talk to the media to really know how he is doing physically. Its even hard to get info from teammates since he is prefers to keep things to himself or only with very close friends. So last year you only had Polian and the team's spin to base things off of. Harrison is a lot like Jerry Rice in how he plays the game. I don't think you can use other WR's as a reference. All those that gave up on Rice after he had his knee injury at 36 missed a few more good years. The following year he was 7th in recpetions, yards, yards per game and 10th in TD's. I think the advantage Harrison has is that the Colts are still maintaining while the 49er's at this point were done.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Harrison will finish inside the top 10 this year. I personally think he will finish top 5. He has this season and next so if your in a Dynasty league I would unload him after the season for younger talent or picks. Manning will make sure Harrison gets his passes and with teams rolling coverage to the younger Wayne. I look for a 2006 type season for the Colts WR's with Wayne being around number 1 (Moss should be #1 again) and Harrison around 5 or 6. Harrison is the type if his head or heart isn't in the game he wouldn't be playing. When Harrison's skill drop to the point he is the number 3 option he retires. The way Harrison plays and practices, the respect he has from his coaches, his QB, and teammates AG is not going to be the number 2 this year or next barring injury. Marvin is a perfectionist so once he starts to slip he walks way and I think he has it planned perfectly to retire when his current contract is up. This is just my perspective as a 40 year Colts fan.

As a Colts fan, how do you explain last year's debacle?

The same way they handled Edgerrin's ACL a few years back. He's fine He's fine, just a bruise oh wait he needs surgery. It's Polian playing games. Although once Harrison missed 3 games I figured he was done for the season. I dont know about you but that was the first ruptured bursa sack injury I had ever heard of so not a lot of history to go on for recovery time and impact on the player. I also think that he kept trying to come back to soon which may have prolonged the recovery. If I remember correctly he tried to comeback 2 or 3 times during the season until I think they shut him down until the playoffs. Its not like you are going to hear directly from Harrison since he doesn't talk to the media to really know how he is doing physically. Its even hard to get info from teammates since he is prefers to keep things to himself or only with very close friends. So last year you only had Polian and the team's spin to base things off of. Harrison is a lot like Jerry Rice in how he plays the game. I don't think you can use other WR's as a reference. All those that gave up on Rice after he had his knee injury at 36 missed a few more good years. The following year he was 7th in recpetions, yards, yards per game and 10th in TD's. I think the advantage Harrison has is that the Colts are still maintaining while the 49er's at this point were done.

Good reasoning and I can buy that. Even so, I think finishing in the top 10 is looking at it this situation a little more than half full. If Harrison stays healthy, he'll definately match his ADP for WR and could see him in the late teens.

 

[unckeyherb]

Harrison will finish inside the top 10 this year. I personally think he will finish top 5. He has this season and next so if your in a Dynasty league I would unload him after the season for younger talent or picks. Manning will make sure Harrison gets his passes and with teams rolling coverage to the younger Wayne. I look for a 2006 type season for the Colts WR's with Wayne being around number 1 (Moss should be #1 again) and Harrison around 5 or 6. Harrison is the type if his head or heart isn't in the game he wouldn't be playing. When Harrison's skill drop to the point he is the number 3 option he retires. The way Harrison plays and practices, the respect he has from his coaches, his QB, and teammates AG is not going to be the number 2 this year or next barring injury. Marvin is a perfectionist so once he starts to slip he wa

 

[unckeyherb]

Harrison will finish inside the top 10 this year. I personally think he will finish top 5. He has this season and next so if your in a Dynasty league I would unload him after the season for younger talent or picks. Manning will make sure Harrison gets his passes and with teams rolling coverage to the younger Wayne. I look for a 2006 type season for the Colts WR's with Wayne being around number 1 (Moss should be #1 again) and Harrison around 5 or 6. Harrison is the type if his head or heart isn't in the game he wouldn't be playing. When Harrison's skill drop to the point he is the number 3 option he retires. The way Harrison plays and practices, the respect he has from his coaches, his QB, and teammates AG is not going to be the number 2 this year or next barring injury. Marvin is a perfectionist so once he starts to slip he walks way and I think he has it planned perfectly to retire when his current contract is up. This is just my perspective as a 40 year Colts fan.

As a Colts fan, how do you explain last year's debacle?

The same way they handled Edgerrin's ACL a few years back. He's fine He's fine, just a bruise oh wait he needs surgery. It's Polian playing games. Although once Harrison missed 3 games I figured he was done for the season. I dont know about you but that was the first ruptured bursa sack injury I had ever heard of so not a lot of history to go on for recovery time and impact on the player. I also think that he kept trying to come back to soon which may have prolonged the recovery. If I remember correctly he tried to comeback 2 or 3 times during the season until I think they shut him down until the playoffs. Its not like you are going to hear directly from Harrison since he doesn't talk to the media to really know how he is doing physically. Its even hard to get info from teammates since he is prefers to keep things to himself or only with very close friends. So last year you only had Polian and the team's spin to base things off of. Harrison is a lot like Jerry Rice in how he plays the game. I don't think you can use other WR's as a reference. All those that gave up on Rice after he had his knee injury at 36 missed a few more good years. The following year he was 7th in recpetions, yards, yards per game and 10th in TD's. I think the advantage Harrison has is that the Colts are still maintaining while the 49er's at this point were done.

Good reasoning and I can buy that. Even so, I think finishing in the top 10 is looking at it this situation a little more than half full. If Harrison stays healthy, he'll definately match his ADP for WR and could see him in the late teens.

while I don't think he will crack top 10, I do see him as having very good value. For instance, in my 12 team 2 man keeper league I took him as my WR 3, behind Braylon and Andre, at 3.11 (35th) which equates to the fifth round in a redraft. People are very wary of him. Is he a risk? certainly, but I see him as a controlled risk. I can see him putting up just under 1000 and 8-10 TD's. Where he is dropping, I would take that in a heartbeat.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Now to be fair, we of the pro-Harrison camp are making a guess here, and I can appreciate the people worried about the "Marvin has checked out" rumors from last year, but it's tough to doubt the guy...given his body of work.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Keep banging your head against the proverbial wall, Mr Yudkin. The Harrison supporters have no use for your so-called "facts".

Buyer beware..

 

[Dry H]

Physically he is fine. He's making all the cuts without hesitation. He has repeatedly beat the Colts DBs in TC with terrific moves.He's old, coming off injury, and working through off-the-field issues. But, physically, he appears to be fine.

There were reports for weeks/months at a time last year that he was physically fine. Maybe there is a disctinction between last year and this year, but it appears the team's story mirrors what they were saying last year.Again, different strokes for different folks. Some will say the glass is half full while the others will say it's half empty . . .

i thought this thread was asking for opinions of Colts homers?

 

[travdogg]

When in doubt I think its not a bad idea to follow the money. Harrison makes almost 8 million dollars per year, if the Colts didn't think he'd bounce back they would have dumped him and spent the money on other positions or extending some other players, but they didn't, they kept a 36 y/o WR who is among the top payed players at his position even though they have a suitable replacement. That tells me Harrison should be primed for a big year, or at least that the Colts clearly think he will.

Harrison(and Wayne) have been torching the Colts DB's in camp and Dungy and Co. seem to think Marvin will have a huge year especially if teams begin doubling Wayne now that he's broken through.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I have expressed a more thorough opinion addressing a lot of other reasons to have concerns over Harrison in ither threads. If you want to disagree, fine, but there are plenty of reasons to be concerned about MH.As for your assertion that players don't fall off a cliff . . .Rice fell from 8th to 38th in a single season (he later had a resurgence, but at a similar age as Harrison he slipped).Smith hovered around the Top 20 for several years and retired.Galloway is not looking great heading into this season.Carter fell from 10 to 32 to 129.Lofton fell from 18 to 98.At a slighlty older age, Joiner went from the Top 15-20 to 61.Brown fell from 9 to 39 to 65 to 106.Extract what you will from that.

That was a good comeback as you listed all the guys as part of the subset. Smith seemed to do well and Galloway looks OK from what i read, but all the other guys dropped quickly. Interestingly Smith and Galloway are the most recent examples which would lead into my train of thought, but all the others did drop off precipitously.I am not saying don't have caution with MH, but I would grab him at 22WR mark in a heartbeat.

I'm certainly not going to prevent you from taking Harrison, but there are other guys I see as better and safer options. IMO, NOT taking Harrsion would alleviate me from the headache of will he or won't play if he's nicked up, whether he's committed to playing, and has his game eroded to the point where Gonzalez becomes the regular #2 and Harrison sees limited action (by design not by injury).Harrison's ADP has already risen to WR20. In the vicinity, I would much prefer Holmes or Cotchery. A round or two later I would rather have Chambers, Driver, or Burleson. And if things continue as they are, Harrison will end up a Top 15 pick while Gonzalez will end up in the 40s. At that point, I'd be buying as many Gonzalezes that I could get my hands on, as I see him on par or surpassing Harrison's numbers.I think that's the missing component that is not being discussed. Some of the other "old timers" continued to see a lot of playing time because there were few other options. In Indy's case, they have a young buck that could very easily be more productive.

I would most definitely take Holmes over Harrison but Cotchery would be a close call for me in a redraft...that is a good comp. Now we are in around 20 when I said 15-20 made sense to me with 20 adjusting for injuries. That is getting closer from the 32 in the rankings though which seems misplaced if you ask me.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Marvin looks OK so far, but I can't tell yet if he's truly "back" because all I see are short routes (mainly because Sorgi throws nothing but short balls). Even if he's OK, the Colts have a lot more receiving options this year than they did last year. I think they will be better at backup TE (Robinson and Tamme look very good in pre-season) and backup WR (Gonzalez now knows the system - and I really like Pierre Garcon for the future - he's already better than Aaron Moorehead ever was). Also - in spite of how it looks in pre-season, I think the overall running game will be better (better backup RBs, and more line depth, especially in the interior of the line). So, I don't see Manning forcing the ball to Marvin like the old days - there's just no need.

Thanks. They mighty need to force, but when one on one they know what each other are doing and that is MONEY

 

[pizzatyme]

Physically he is fine. He's making all the cuts without hesitation. He has repeatedly beat the Colts DBs in TC with terrific moves.He's old, coming off injury, and working through off-the-field issues. But, physically, he appears to be fine.

There were reports for weeks/months at a time last year that he was physically fine. Maybe there is a disctinction between last year and this year, but it appears the team's story mirrors what they were saying last year.Again, different strokes for different folks. Some will say the glass is half full while the others will say it's half empty . . .

DY, all I can go by is what I've seen with my own eyes. I went to camp and have seen him make the cuts without hesitation. He is still abusing NFL DBs.

 

[slickfritz781]

Can you say Anthony Gonzalez?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Can you say Anthony Gonzalez?

Sure I can. Ready?Brandon Stokeley.Harrison 60/750/7 as a floor, 80/950/9 potential

 

[travdogg]

Can you say Anthony Gonzalez?

Sure I can. Ready?Brandon Stokeley.Harrison 60/750/7 as a floor, 80/950/9 potential

Harrison's upside is higher than that. If he catches 80 balls he's probably topping 1,100 yards. 950 is only an 11 yard average, he put up 14 as recently as 06'.

 

[Todem]

He may be the biggest value at WR this season. He does have a high risk factor given his age. However he was hurt last year. If he just fell flat being healthy that is one thing. He had never missed this much time in his career IIRC. So if he is 100% I have no reason to believe he can't finish as a top 10 WR in PPR. Manning loves him and they have a rapport that is second to none. Marvin is the ultimate pro.

I am really pulling for Marvin this season. One of the best ever.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Harrison will finish inside the top 10 this year. I personally think he will finish top 5. He has this season and next so if your in a Dynasty league I would unload him after the season for younger talent or picks. Manning will make sure Harrison gets his passes and with teams rolling coverage to the younger Wayne that helps early on. I look for a 2006 type season for the Colts WR's with Wayne being around number 1 (Moss should be #1 again) and Harrison around 5 or 6. Harrison is the type if his head or heart isn't in the game he wouldn't be playing. When Harrison's skill drop to the point he is the number 3 option he retires. The way Harrison plays and practices, the respect he has from his coaches, his QB, and teammates AG is not going to be the number 2 this year or next barring injury. Marvin is a perfectionist so once he starts to slip he walks way and I think he has it planned perfectly to retire when his current contract is up. This is just my perspective as a 40 year Colts fan.

I dont know about top 10 but this is the type of feedback I was looking for. Finishing his contract makes sense

 

[TheWick]

This situation is hard to read. He hasn't looked to spectacular in preseason so far...but it is still preseason. I'd say if you've already drafted him and got him late between now and the season might be a good time to find the "marvin lover" in your league and sell high.

 

[Texican]

This situation is hard to read. He hasn't looked to spectacular in preseason so far...but it is still preseason. I'd say if you've already drafted him and got him late between now and the season might be a good time to find the "marvin lover" in your league and sell high.

 

[Todem]

This situation is hard to read. He hasn't looked to spectacular in preseason so far...but it is still preseason. I'd say if you've already drafted him and got him late between now and the season might be a good time to find the "marvin lover" in your league and sell high.

Yeah it is still preseason and he has nothing to prove to anyone. The team knows where he is at and by reports they are saying they fully expect the Marvin Harrison of 2006. I think all MArvin cares about is playing pain free and getting out of the preseason healthy. He knows the playbook inside and out. The more I think about it he is a great risk reward pick this season. he might be one of the best ever considering his amazing body of work.Get Marvin cheap in drafts this season as your WR3. With upside to WR1.

 

[Da Guru]

If Marvin playes 16 games there in no reason for him not to get 1000-10

 

[TheWick]

This situation is hard to read. He hasn't looked to spectacular in preseason so far...but it is still preseason. I'd say if you've already drafted him and got him late between now and the season might be a good time to find the "marvin lover" in your league and sell high.

Yeah it is still preseason and he has nothing to prove to anyone. The team knows where he is at and by reports they are saying they fully expect the Marvin Harrison of 2006. I think all MArvin cares about is playing pain free and getting out of the preseason healthy. He knows the playbook inside and out. The more I think about it he is a great risk reward pick this season. he might be one of the best ever considering his amazing body of work.Get Marvin cheap in drafts this season as your WR3. With upside to WR1.

Your the guy I'm talking about. Not saying that as a bad thing...but you certainly have a rosie outlook on his return. I would be VERY surprised if he ended up being a top 20 WR this year. There are alot of mouths to feed in that offense. But as a WR3 I like it for sure.

 

[DoubleG]

If Marvin playes 16 games there in no reason for him not to get 1000-10

FYP.

 

[Todem]

This situation is hard to read. He hasn't looked to spectacular in preseason so far...but it is still preseason. I'd say if you've already drafted him and got him late between now and the season might be a good time to find the "marvin lover" in your league and sell high.

Yeah it is still preseason and he has nothing to prove to anyone. The team knows where he is at and by reports they are saying they fully expect the Marvin Harrison of 2006. I think all MArvin cares about is playing pain free and getting out of the preseason healthy. He knows the playbook inside and out. The more I think about it he is a great risk reward pick this season. he might be one of the best ever considering his amazing body of work.Get Marvin cheap in drafts this season as your WR3. With upside to WR1.

Your the guy I'm talking about. Not saying that as a bad thing...but you certainly have a rosie outlook on his return. I would be VERY surprised if he ended up being a top 20 WR this year. There are alot of mouths to feed in that offense. But as a WR3 I like it for sure.

LOL....your right I have a prefessed man crush for MArvin...but he can be had at a WR3 price in drafts right now...so I am on the same page with you. I would not trade higher value for him....because you can get him cheap right now.

 

[David Yudkin]

I realize that last year was last year, but MH only put up 6 receptions for 51 yards and no TD over the Colts last 14 games last year (counting their playoff loss). His injury was supposed to be minor and he did hardly anything.

While I trying really hard to find reasons to want him on my fantasy teams this year, I still am struggling to find some.

 

[Todem]

I realize that last year was last year, but MH only put up 6 receptions for 51 yards and no TD over the Colts last 14 games last year (counting their playoff loss). His injury was supposed to be minor and he did hardly anything.

While I trying really hard to find reasons to want him on my fantasy teams this year, I still am struggling to find some.

His injury was far more serious than the club reported. He just did not lose it...no way....I don't believe that for a second.Marvin Harrison will bounce back big time this year and grab 80+ balls for 1100 yards and 8 TD's if he is indeed healthy. The man is still a great player until I see him play 16 games and put up garbage. We are not talking about an ordinary player here...we are talking about the best ever (after Rice) at his position.

 

[pizzatyme]

I realize that last year was last year, but MH only put up 6 receptions for 51 yards and no TD over the Colts last 14 games last year (counting their playoff loss). His injury was supposed to be minor and he did hardly anything.While I trying really hard to find reasons to want him on my fantasy teams this year, I still am struggling to find some.

David, I'd say that it appears obvious that his injury last year was far worse than we were led to believe. From my "homer" eyes, he looks to be back in form.While I appreciate what you're saying about aged WRs, Harrison's injury was not due to age. He has made a career of avoiding the big hit and injury. He has sucked it up before when injured. He looks healthy and his relationship with Manning cannot be questioned. Yes, there are a lot of options, but I think they'll all be used to create mis-matches. I look for a great year offensively, primarily due to the Colts having a tough schedule and a soft Run Defense. I see them playing in close games or even from behind more than normal. I feel like this bodes well for the offense in general, and especially the passing game.$0.02 from a

 

[unckeyherb]

This situation is hard to read. He hasn't looked to spectacular in preseason so far...but it is still preseason. I'd say if you've already drafted him and got him late between now and the season might be a good time to find the "marvin lover" in your league and sell high.

Yeah it is still preseason and he has nothing to prove to anyone. The team knows where he is at and by reports they are saying they fully expect the Marvin Harrison of 2006. I think all MArvin cares about is playing pain free and getting out of the preseason healthy. He knows the playbook inside and out. The more I think about it he is a great risk reward pick this season. he might be one of the best ever considering his amazing body of work.Get Marvin cheap in drafts this season as your WR3. With upside to WR1.

Your the guy I'm talking about. Not saying that as a bad thing...but you certainly have a rosie outlook on his return. I would be VERY surprised if he ended up being a top 20 WR this year. There are alot of mouths to feed in that offense. But as a WR3 I like it for sure.

yeah, but theres always a lot of mouths to feed in indy and they still get it done. I think last year was just a fluke injury. He's never shown a deterioration in talent and IF hes healthy, which is a big if, he should be able to assume his previous role. 1400/15? probably not, 1100/10? definitely attainale. Keep an eye out about his knee obviously, but lets face it, 2005 and 2006 were relative down years for him and he STILL was top WR. 1100/10 would actually be his worst year (barring injury in 07) by far. If you can get that, or even 1000/8 (which would have put him at WR12 last year) from your WR3, you jump on it.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I realize that last year was last year, but MH only put up 6 receptions for 51 yards and no TD over the Colts last 14 games last year (counting their playoff loss). His injury was supposed to be minor and he did hardly anything.While I trying really hard to find reasons to want him on my fantasy teams this year, I still am struggling to find some.

David, I'd say that it appears obvious that his injury last year was far worse than we were led to believe. From my "homer" eyes, he looks to be back in form.While I appreciate what you're saying about aged WRs, Harrison's injury was not due to age. He has made a career of avoiding the big hit and injury. He has sucked it up before when injured. He looks healthy and his relationship with Manning cannot be questioned. Yes, there are a lot of options, but I think they'll all be used to create mis-matches. I look for a great year offensively, primarily due to the Colts having a tough schedule and a soft Run Defense. I see them playing in close games or even from behind more than normal. I feel like this bodes well for the offense in general, and especially the passing game.$0.02 from a

A soft run defense should not bode as well for an offense as a soft passing defense. You want the other team to score fast and often if you have the passing stars on your team.

 

[travdogg]

I realize that last year was last year, but MH only put up 6 receptions for 51 yards and no TD over the Colts last 14 games last year (counting their playoff loss). His injury was supposed to be minor and he did hardly anything.While I trying really hard to find reasons to want him on my fantasy teams this year, I still am struggling to find some.

David, I'd say that it appears obvious that his injury last year was far worse than we were led to believe. From my "homer" eyes, he looks to be back in form.While I appreciate what you're saying about aged WRs, Harrison's injury was not due to age. He has made a career of avoiding the big hit and injury. He has sucked it up before when injured. He looks healthy and his relationship with Manning cannot be questioned. Yes, there are a lot of options, but I think they'll all be used to create mis-matches. I look for a great year offensively, primarily due to the Colts having a tough schedule and a soft Run Defense. I see them playing in close games or even from behind more than normal. I feel like this bodes well for the offense in general, and especially the passing game.$0.02 from a

A soft run defense should not bode as well for an offense as a soft passing defense. You want the other team to score fast and often if you have the passing stars on your team.

The run defense was pretty soft in 06'. When they had 2 top-5 WR's.

 

[pizzatyme]

I realize that last year was last year, but MH only put up 6 receptions for 51 yards and no TD over the Colts last 14 games last year (counting their playoff loss). His injury was supposed to be minor and he did hardly anything.While I trying really hard to find reasons to want him on my fantasy teams this year, I still am struggling to find some.

David, I'd say that it appears obvious that his injury last year was far worse than we were led to believe. From my "homer" eyes, he looks to be back in form.While I appreciate what you're saying about aged WRs, Harrison's injury was not due to age. He has made a career of avoiding the big hit and injury. He has sucked it up before when injured. He looks healthy and his relationship with Manning cannot be questioned. Yes, there are a lot of options, but I think they'll all be used to create mis-matches. I look for a great year offensively, primarily due to the Colts having a tough schedule and a soft Run Defense. I see them playing in close games or even from behind more than normal. I feel like this bodes well for the offense in general, and especially the passing game.$0.02 from a

A soft run defense should not bode as well for an offense as a soft passing defense. You want the other team to score fast and often if you have the passing stars on your team.

The run defense was pretty soft in 06'. When they had 2 top-5 WR's.

What he said! Plus, look at the DTs for the Colts. They will struggle again this year. I have to think if Michael Turner can rip off huge runs, there are equal or better backs that can do the same.The Colts DTs are small, this hurts at the point of attack plus it really hurts Brackett the MLB as he gets lost in the wash a lot of times. This will cause Sanders and Bathea to make a lot of tackles. This isn't what you want from your Safeties IMO.