You want to ban handguns? Not assault rifles, but handguns. Good luck with that, whether it’s by petition of grievance, Constitutional Amendment, whatever. That’s why I suggest leaving the country, because the right to bear arms is never going away in this country, and it shouldn’t. Self defense is a fundamental, God-given right.
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Footballguy
weird that God doesn't require guns in other countries. Guess we got the good gun-toting Murica one.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
God is American, what can I say. And I, along with 75% of Americans, like the fact we have the right to defend our families and our homes. And guess what? That right ain’t going away, no matter how much anti-freedom Lefties like yourself try.
Max Power
Footballguy
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The right to self defense is a natural right. It’s written into our genetic code. Even if you don’t believe in a traditional God it’s surely a fundamental aspect of nature. Good luck taking that away.
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Their true colors are coming out. This is why the NRA doesn’t give an inch. These people don’t just want common sense gun reform. They want all guns banned.
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Max Power
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I used to support common sense gun reform when I had some semblance of faith in the government. We're leaning closer to tyrannical than common sense these days, so they've lost my vote and faith in reform.
JAA
Footballguy
Im curious to hear any example of tyrannical gun reform in the past 20 years. Thanks!
JAA
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Ramblin Wreck
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Footballguy
That's weird, since I've repeatedly stated my position on guns in this thread and the one that preceded it. I've never advocated for a gun ban. It's really odd how people that parrot the NRA end up relying on false statements for their arguments. I wonder why that is?
-fish-
Footballguy
Congratulations on this post by the way. It really does sum up your whole argument quite nicely.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
got a tad carried away with the bolded.
also great for home protection = alarms, locks, hell an NRA sticker.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
Do you have a chart or something? I'm curious where the line gets drawn between god given rights vs basic human rights.
Or are we just splitting hairs because everyone has a different view on god?
BladeRunner
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How about we just enforce the laws already on the books? Let's start there and see how far that gets us.
And, to be fair, you're in here everyday with some tragedy. I think you want to ban guns, but you realize you have to take baby steps first and if that means fooling people into committing to "common sense reforms" gets you closer to that goal you'll be fine for now. But, you won't be satisfied. When you get what you want then you'll want more. That's how it is with you anti-gun types. The goal is an outright ban. It always was.
That's why we don't budge anymore.
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KarmaPolice
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the moops
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They will never be satisfied with baby steps because it wont make a difference, at all. If they ever get a tiny piece of legislation past, the mass shooting the very next week will prompt for more. Rince and repeat. That's what happens when you chase a false root cause. They are spinning their wheels.How about we just enforce the laws already on the books? Let's start there and see how far that gets us.
And, to be fair, you're in here everyday with some tragedy. I think you want to ban guns, but you realize you have to take baby steps first and if that means fooling people into committing to "common sense reforms" gets you closer to that goal you'll be fine for now. But, you won't be satisfied. When you get what you want then you'll want more. That's how it is with you anti-gun types. The goal is an outright ban. It always was.
That's why we don't budge anymore.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Ironic that you post this and continue to post the "aha - a mental illness!" every time it fits your narrative.
Just like one side gets laughed at and accused of focusing on the wrong thing with "assault rifles" when handguns are used the most, you continue to post stuff like "of course it was X" when it's been shown that mental illness isn't involved in the majority of mass shootings.
Also, I'm not sure sure how many people are claiming that the guns are a "root cause" of gun violence. For me, they are just a too common and too efficient way of killing multiple people when somebody decides to go down that road.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
You don't budge because you think you know what other people's thoughts and intentions are? High level of paranoia going on with your posts.How about we just enforce the laws already on the books? Let's start there and see how far that gets us.
And, to be fair, you're in here everyday with some tragedy. I think you want to ban guns, but you realize you have to take baby steps first and if that means fooling people into committing to "common sense reforms" gets you closer to that goal you'll be fine for now. But, you won't be satisfied. When you get what you want then you'll want more. That's how it is with you anti-gun types. The goal is an outright ban. It always was.
That's why we don't budge anymore.
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Ramblin Wreck
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I can read his posts. I am commenting on what he is putting down in writing, not what I believe his intentions are.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I'm sure he can do the same as well but you seemed to call him out on it as you did it yourself. Weird
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Defend yourself with a bat or a knife. They are equally effective at inflicting damage, right?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
There does seem to be some flawed logic here. Guns are 0% the issue, if they disappeared there would be the same level of people killing people, but I must have a gun to effectively protect my family.
To me that means either they are more effective at killing and inflicting damage (in which case people are correct to try to limit access to them, etc.. ) or they aren't and people would be OK with hunting and protecting with knives and bats. I know which way I am more likely to lean in that scenario.
-fish-
Footballguy
you're fake upset about mass shootings getting posted in a thread about mass shootings? because it makes gun zealots look bad? and then you lie about my position because you can't back yours up.How about we just enforce the laws already on the books? Let's start there and see how far that gets us.
And, to be fair, you're in here everyday with some tragedy. I think you want to ban guns, but you realize you have to take baby steps first and if that means fooling people into committing to "common sense reforms" gets you closer to that goal you'll be fine for now. But, you won't be satisfied. When you get what you want then you'll want more. That's how it is with you anti-gun types. The goal is an outright ban. It always was.
That's why we don't budge anymore.
funny, this is straight off the NRA pages. sorry if i don't take you seriously. when you actually form an argument let me know.
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And your position appears to be that self defense via 2A isn’t a God given right. You have every opportunity here to clarify your positions btw.
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
The 2nd Amendment is not "God given". It didn't come down from on high on stone tablets, or through a prophet speaking in tongues. It was written by men. Fallible men that knew they didn't know everything.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I'm fake upset? I'm not the zealot who's posting in here day after day with every shooting I can find. That would be you.
How about you start making good faith posts instead of hyperventilating about needing more reform. We already have laws on the books. Let's start enforcing them first and see where that gets us.
Exodus 22:2: ‘If a thief is caught breaking in at night & is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed.’
BladeRunner
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
Do you not do the same thing? I'm giving my opinion on this topic. It's as valid as yours.
Unfortunately, your opinion that easy access to firearms for almost anyone outweighs the benefit to society that restrictions would bring is carrying the day. I hope that changes.
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sho nuff
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sho nuff
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the second amendment isn't a god-given anything, and half of it doesn't even mean anything anymore.
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Footballguy
he'll not only give his opinion, but he'll tell you what yours is even though he's just making things up.
-fish-
Footballguy
if the laws we had were effective, there wouldn't be another mass murder every day. so instead of pretending guns aren't a problem, rational people, including the vast majority of gun owners, want change. you're in a small, sad minority.I'm fake upset? I'm not the zealot who's posting in here day after day with every shooting I can find. That would be you.
How about you start making good faith posts instead of hyperventilating about needing more reform. We already have laws on the books. Let's start enforcing them first and see where that gets us.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
They aren't effective if you aren't enforcing them. From the police, to the DA's to the judges - if they won't put teeth on violators then of course they won't be effective.
Also, I'm in a YUUUUUUGGGEEEE majority with the rest of the gun owners of the US.
You champagne/limousine liberals are in the minority.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
fair.
should we also start quoting the other nonsense and punishments from that book too?
Also, weren't those words written by man too?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
limousine liberals 
BladeRunner
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I don't even know wtf it means. just thought it was funny/ridiculousHey - If the shoe fits, you gotta' wear it.
The right to self defense is a natural law as well as God-given, so pick your poison. As I said earlier, it is programmed into our DNA and replete throughout nature. You want to argue that your version of God doesn’t believe in that? That’s great - I won’t argue with you on a personal religious belief. But I will point out that yours is a minority belief, and in contravention to the founding fathers.
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