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Great, that doesn't have to mean self defense = any gun you want.
I quoted the Biblical verse in response to a post that said the right yo self defense didn’t come from on high or on stone tablets. My point was that this right is very much expressed within the Bible. There are many other verses and allegories that speak to the right to self defense.
That was still written by man, so quoting the Bible doesn't do much either. imo the other crazy stuff in there basically negates the stuff we could cherry pick out that would apply to daily life.ekbeats said:
...but guns are a particularly ineffective means of self defense and you're more likely to hurt or kill yourself or a member of your household or have the gun stolen than you are to ever use it in self defense. It's just another false narrative that has been repeated by the faithful until they believe it, despite facts and evidence to the contrary.
if you are expecting someone and waiting with the gun loaded, I guess I would assume it's effective. If you are taken by surprise, the gun is in a safe, unloaded, whatever? I would imagine either you are already in trouble if someone was intent on doing you serious harm.
My home was broken into when I was 10 years old. The doors were locked and we had a German Shepard. She was completely useless. The guy actually came in my room while I laid in bed scared stiff. Fortunately he only wanted drug money.
those are incredibly painful and traumatizing situations. not belittling those experiences and not saying that bad things don't happen.
Just curious - was the person who broke in somebody that the family knew?
Yup - you have a good memory. That dog was a sweetheart. She loved people, even the bad guys.
briefly. it will be interesting to see how much gun crime increases as a result of this law, like it has in each state that has adopted permissive concealed carry laws.
Those are some traumatic experiences for sure, I don’t blame you one bit for feeling the way you do about a handgun. Between the ages of 6 and 8 I twice came back home to my grandparents house after we went to dinner to having burglars in the house. It was straight up terrifying and I vividly remember the overwhelming sense of fear and violation I felt. It’s still with me to this day as I check every windows and doors before I go to bed. It’s the over-riding reason why I want a gun.
It does stay with you. I wouldn’t even consider camping after that Lollie incident, and haven’t done it up this day. I’m ready to do it now though, and it’s because I own a gun. And that’s a good thing.
And I will laugh that the 2nd Amendment as written by man makes anything a God given right. As well as guessing that God seeing how the people have abused guns would be none too pleased.
Well the founding fathers believed self defense as codified in 2A to be a God given right. And I’d trust their wisdom over yours any day of the week.
They did? I would love to see any links on those thoughts of the FF, the 2nd amendment and guns (which would have been muskets at the time).
While I believe studies which show the likelihood of home firearms causing death far exceeds the chance they’ll be used successfully against a bad guy, I’m unaware of data comparing various methods of self defense. Can you educate me?
It’s been shown repeatedly that risk of death from homicide, suicide and accidental shooting increases in homes with firearms vs. those without, so it seems pretty clear the net effect of gun ownership on living is negative.
Not interested. Look it up yourself if you’re truly interested, which you aren’t. Your motivations in here are well known, and a search for truth isn’t one of them.
Like I said above, I can understand the impulse to feel like you need one for protection, especially given the personal backgrounds that have been shared.
I got 5 and a shotgun. 1 for EDC and the rest for the liberal zombie apocalypse.
Until you read about what it actually means then I don't think you'll be so chill with it.
I'd rather have one and not need it than need it and not have it.
If you're in Wisconsin I can take you shooting. All you got to do DM me. I'm always willing to help the uninitiated.
I ask you to back up what you say and your response is always the deflection of "Look it up yourself" which means of course, you have no proof, no quotes or any links to back up your claims.
Not sure what it would accomplish, but thanks. Buddy at work offers the same a bit too. I would never by a gun, so not sure what I would get out of it.
Well, the first thing accomplished is that you would learn how to handle a gun. Shooting a gun is actually fun, believe it or not.
I read every word. He made a claim that the "founding fathers believed self defense, as codified in 2A, to be a God given right." Asked for something, for anything, in the way of proof or documentation to back this up and got the usual deflection of "look it up"
Do you support disarming the states as well? As in no police can have weapons either.
No, but if enough guns are taken out of public then perhaps the police could change their tactics. I haven't read up on how police tactics have evolved in places like Australia where a significant % of firearms were removed from public use.
meh, this one is really Miller, but yeah.
I learned that I guess renters don’t feel the need to protect their homes and loved ones, but once you pay that property taxes those lives become far more important. Who knew.
yeah, i'm gonna go with 22 people getting shot and 2 of them killed is a mass shooting. what would you call it? an ice cream social?
