El Floppo
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So far the two sources I've seen saying it was anything else was the FB post in this thread saying it was a bird missile attack and our president.
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Massive Explosion in Beirut (1 Viewer)
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Anarchy99
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The death toll could have been a lot higher, and people were saved by the fact it happened right on the water. Basically, it was similar to a baseball field. The damage was in fair territory . . . the shock wave that went into foul territory went out over the water.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
IMO, it's going to take awhile to figure out what happened. The working theory is that a fire started in a building with fireworks that started a fire in a neighboring warehouse that had ammonium nitrate sitting in it for the past 6 years. Authorities are trying to go through video footage to see if they can tell what started the fire and if indeed it was an accident. Apparently fireworks stored improperly could catch fire in hot weather, so some people have said it was likely just an accident (and poor decision-making to leave tons of ammonium nitrate sitting in a warehouse). I am sure conspiracy theorists may suggest someone knew there was ammonium nitrate in the building next door and could have intentionally started the initial fire. But other than Trump, no one else has really suggested it was a bomb or a terrorist act. (Lebanon has put the manager's of the port / warehouse on house arrest pending an investigation into why they had the ammonium nitrate sitting there for years.)
El Floppo
Footballguy
I thought I read something about welding starting the fireworks factory. Could be misremembering or misplacing that bit...
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Yes. One report said welders who were making repairs on the fireworks warehouse may have started the initial fire.
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My Lebanese buddy who's brother almost died in the blast is saying many of the public there are convinced it was Israel. Apparently there were tons of reports of Israeli jets in the skies beforehand including right before the blast.
He's showing the same bird video, but also sent a CCTV Cam video of people walking through the street, then being startled by something overhead... watching, pointing, then the blast hits seemingly from the side of them. I mentioned perhaps they were pointing at the plume of smoke from the fireworks factory but it does kinda seem like something 'startled" the people in the video.
I did raise the point that Hezbollah and the Lebanese government would both have to be complicit somehow given they are both following the party line.... which would make less than zero sense.
I'm convinced it was as described. He's still skeptical, but understands it's unlikely.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
One would think that there is satellite imagery that could be checked to easily tell if anything was flying overhead and if anything was fired into the buildings. What wouldn't make sense is the fire in the fireworks factory . . . would something have been shot into the factory? Or would that just have been a coincidence?
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shadyridr
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
To me, that just looks like people are looking at the smoke plumes from the fire. The hand motions are probably discussing fireworks going off. Then the big explosion happens. So this tape was from around 15 second before the big bang. Many other videos show that time sequence and I don't remember seeing anything flying over the area or anything coming down from the sky. Maybe something like that may have happened, but this video IMO doesn't show much to support that theory.
beer 30
Footballguy
Lot of nonsense on Twitter about this, haven't really seen anything that makes me think Israel is involved. Judging from the situation on the ground, Israel didn't need to be involved, Murphy's law took care of the heavy lifting on his own.
This photo has been out but the before and after of where the building was is still WOW! https://twitter.com/BlimeyItsSwell/status/1291179596323454978?s=20
El Floppo
Footballguy
Makes "sense" that any explosion in the region would be blamed on Israel.
Israel was very fast to deny it.
Until evidence shows otherwise, it does seem like an accident. And Not sure what is gained by Israel in doing this, if that part is true.
Israel was very fast to deny it.
Until evidence shows otherwise, it does seem like an accident. And Not sure what is gained by Israel in doing this, if that part is true.
You didn't see the definitive FB video with blue squiggly circle around something in the air that no other video shows?!!!!
UOFI_316
Footballguy
One intersting thing I just noticed rewatching the videos. You can see a hole in the "mushroom cloud" that was formed from the grain silos blocking part of the explosion. Watching some of the compiled videos on reddit where they are all synched up you can see the hole form around the silos.
beer 30
Footballguy
I mentioned earlier in this thread about the silos possibly shielding the city proper from a portion of the blast, not sure it holds water or how much worse it could be but they took a good portion of the blast.
Heartbreaking article (apologies for the pop ups) about the fire crew who were first on the sign. No matter where in the world you are, they are always people that are willing to run toward the fire RIP all of them https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599453/Last-photo-emerges-firefighters-Beiruts-Warehouse-12-blast.html
The three firemen were photographed in an iconic picture putting their lives on the line to prevent the catastrophe. One of them, Najib Hati, did not even have time to put on his uniform.
They had been dispatched with another colleague, thought to be Ms Faris, from the fire station in La Quarantaine, northeastern Beirut, in an emergency response vehicle and were first on the scene, fire chiefs said.
The six other firefighters followed in a fire engine. 'As the fire service, we have the authority to open any door without the approval of any ministry or military,' a fire service official, who asked not to be named, said.
'When the smoke first started gathering, we sent a unit of 10 people. Six were in the fire engine and four in the emergency response car. The three men in the famous photograph were first on the scene trying to unlock the door to Warehouse 12.
'Following them were the colleagues in the other vehicles. The blast hit all of them. Nine are still missing and one, Sahar Faris, has been found and declared dead. Her family mourned here yesterday. Her fiancé is devastated.'
UOFI_316
Footballguy
I am a structural engineer and have designed portions of buildings to withstand deflagration explosions from clouds of flours/dusts where you design a "weak point" to direct the blast in a certain way or include explosion mats to absorb the shockwave in one direction. To actually see it play out is another thing.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
that is some weak "evidence". some of the videos from distance, that show the beginnings of the fireworks going off, might have footage from the very beginning.
Galileo
Footballguy
My guess is they are looking at the plume of smoke from the original fire. A second or two before you see the effects of the explosion, you see the power go out. I think that is probably when the big explosion occurred knocking out the power. The second or two before we see the explosion effects, I assume they are looking and pointing at the big ### cloud that formed and is advancing toward them
El Floppo
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if you expand, expand, expand the reflection on the far shop window off of the 2nd car's windshield, you can VERY clearly see missiles with the US flag on them. dropped by Malaysia air flight 370. piloted by martians. in israeli uniforms.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
So the firework factory explosion was just a split second before the ammonium nitrate explosion, correct? Prior to that it was just a fire?
El Floppo
Footballguy
looking at the first links in this thread, it was a series of fireworks continuously exploding and on fire, not one explosion.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Ok. I haven't seen them all, but this last video was odd because of the jolt they appear to get just before the big one.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I haven't delved deeply into any of this, but I saw that some places are calling it a "fireworks factory" (implying fireworks were being manufactured). Other places have reported it as a "fireworks warehouse" (storing Chinese manufactured fireworks that had been imported and offloaded from a ship). The aluminum nitrate was stored in a neighboring warehouse. If the buildings were older and just used as warehouses only, that might make having sprinkler systems less likely. But I haven't seen a definitive report outlining each building's safety features.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
They are trying to review whatever video they can find from various sources to try to piece together what happened. Unfortunately, the 10 firefighters that were trying to put out the fire all died, along with many others near ground zero. They will have to talk to off site people from the port and the warehouses to figure out what happened, who had what where, who was listed as having inventory in the buildings, etc. In this day and age, I would rather they do a thorough investigation and then figure out what happened then getting info out in drips and drabs (and likely getting things wrong).
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I did think about that during the Fisherman's Wharf fire in SF a few weeks ago. No idea what is some of those warehouses.
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El Floppo
Footballguy
I'm guessing video games, Ghirardelli chocolate scraps, t shirts and sea lions. At least the 1980 version.
Whoa...didn't hear about that fire.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
UOFI_316
Footballguy
Did you also catch the LED on the side of the missle that was showing a bird flapping its wings. That was pretty cool.
beer 30
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
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mcintyre1
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leftcoastguy7
Footballguy
Wow. Sad listening to the noise in the aftermath. Eerie. The car alarms going off, the people screaming. Surreal.
El Floppo
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Jesus... surprised to see a couple of those folks get up afterward.
Some more CCTV footage from other sources here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avgBgc210bg
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Joe Summer
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Was more glad the nursery appeared to be empty when all of the baby bassinets got smashed by debris.
El Floppo
Footballguy
watched that a few times just to make sure. at first glance, I was terrified that was full of babies.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Jebus. That footage is scary.
Saw a video explaining how an explosion causes death a few years back but I think it was connected to a WWII video. Here is what Wiki says about explosive injuries.
This breaks it down well.
Blast injury
sho nuff
Footballguy
Have seen that...and many Mythbusters explosions where they set out different devices to show the power of pressure in the shock wave...and others were dummies are set up and you see how much shrapnel is tosses out of one...
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