So in the 2nd half of the game in week 5?Ryan Mathews will lead the NFL in rushing yards in week #5, and starts from here on out... right up until he gets dinged up again.
You really think Battle can be the lead back on a playoff team. Norv obviously feels the hot seat but he either has to put the ball in Rivers hands and risk his INTs or Matthews hands and risk fumbles b/c if Battle is the starter, Rivers will have to throw more and Turner doesn't exactly exude confidence in his QB either.Its time to sell Ryan Mathews. He's one fumble away from permanent doghouse. Can you trust him for the remainder of the year not to fumble the ball? Its too risky... I'd trade him after this week.
That's good and all but comparing Powell and Greene is a little different than Battle and Mathews this early in the season. Both Jets backs have played in all four games and have been subbed in and out for each other throughout the games--we've gotten a decent chance to see how well they perform in similar situations against similar defenses. Battle has played in three games, Mathews in two, and they haven't really been subbed in and out for each other much--they've pretty much played in different game settings/against different defenses so far. Also, Battle's DVOA was probably greatly helped by his game against an awful Titans rush defense in which Mathews didn't get any carries and his 55 yard scamper against a Falcons defense up 24 with a few minutes to play. My two cents: I think they need at least a couple more games and more action in similar situations before you can really compare their DVOA.Well, what you need to know about DVOA, it that it is heavily biased by the team in the case of running backs. So, it is not always a great tool at comparing RBs on different teams. They have different blockers, QBs, etc.Houston RBs, for example, almost always have higher DVOAs than Arizona RBs, no matter who the running back is.However, DVOA is very good at comparing RBs on the same team, because in that case you are controlling for the individual team situation.In your example of Tashard Choice, it is interesting that CJ Spiller is the number one DVOA back in the league. DVOA would suggest that Choice is a worse performing back in Buffalo's system.Another example is Shonn Greene vs Bilal Powell. Shonn Greene has a -30DVOA vs 12 Powell. That would suggest Powell has been better.I've never seen a RB hold on to his job with DVOA when there was another RB on his team with a significantly better DVOA. I use it to predict when a change is going to occur. Hence, I have Powell on my bench, but haven't considered Choice. Spiller has clearly been the better back.That is the thought process. I picked up Battle because DVOA as well as the actual use of Battle by Turner has suggested he could get a lot more carries this year.Luckily Battle was barely able to beat out Tashard Choice at 9th. Clearly the Bills need to sit Fred Jackson. Also, Ronnie Brown ranks number one for receiving RBs, I guess the Battle/Brown combo would be epic.The stats say that the starters' job certainly looks like Battle's to lose right now.Love the stat butchering on tiny samples used to draw conclusions.
Matthews 110 total yards, 1 TD.Battle 40 total yards, 1 TD.This thread is going to be littered with "lmao" emoticons come Sunday when Mathews breaks out while Battle watches from the sidelines.
I doubt many Battle owners would be upset with that line.Matthews 110 total yards, 1 TD.Battle 40 total yards, 1 TD.This thread is going to be littered with "lmao" emoticons come Sunday when Mathews breaks out while Battle watches from the sidelines.![]()
Agreed, I will be starting Battle due to byes and would be happy with this.I doubt many Battle owners would be upset with that line.Matthews 110 total yards, 1 TD.Battle 40 total yards, 1 TD.This thread is going to be littered with "lmao" emoticons come Sunday when Mathews breaks out while Battle watches from the sidelines.![]()
When Mathews had 10 fumbles in 26 games..Turner says he expects a “breakout, big-time year” from Mathews.You Mathews enthusiasts aren't thinking practical football here. This guy has fumbled in almost half his NFL games played! 11 fumbles in 28 career games!!!!!!!! You can only ride your "talent" for so long until you start costing the team wins. And when you cost the team wins you cost the head coach his job. Norv and AJ are already on the hot seat.
If this guy puts the ball on the ground again he may be done in SD. I'm serious... just let another late game crucial situation come up in which he drops the ball....he wont ever see it again. ...and you TRUST him not to fumble thru the remaining season? I'm sorry I dont. Battle looked good vs KC and good late last year. The Chargers really ahve no option here because Mathews is on his last leg.
I hope we see something like that, I expect to see Battle handle all short yardage and GL situations and about a 65/35 overall split in favor of Mathews. Another so-so day for Mathews against the Saints will kill his value and probably kill a lot of our teams too.Matthews 110 total yards, 1 TD.Battle 40 total yards, 1 TD.This thread is going to be littered with "lmao" emoticons come Sunday when Mathews breaks out while Battle watches from the sidelines.![]()
Really? You saw the AJ Smith quotes right this past week? Do I need to post those? Mathews value preseason was TOP 5 RB! Aloooot of people had him top 5. He has missed a few games due to injury but with this fumbling problem, his role at worst could be delgated to 3rd downs only. THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR HIM, thats why I suggest trading him now. If Norv and AJ want to win games and not blow them by giving the ball to Mathews, ...theyll continue to ride Battl. He's one fumble away...watchWhen Mathews had 10 fumbles in 26 games..Turner says he expects a “breakout, big-time year” from Mathews.You Mathews enthusiasts aren't thinking practical football here. This guy has fumbled in almost half his NFL games played! 11 fumbles in 28 career games!!!!!!!! You can only ride your "talent" for so long until you start costing the team wins. And when you cost the team wins you cost the head coach his job. Norv and AJ are already on the hot seat.
If this guy puts the ball on the ground again he may be done in SD. I'm serious... just let another late game crucial situation come up in which he drops the ball....he wont ever see it again. ...and you TRUST him not to fumble thru the remaining season? I'm sorry I dont. Battle looked good vs KC and good late last year. The Chargers really ahve no option here because Mathews is on his last leg.
Turner says he believes Mathews is capable of leading the NFL in rushing, and that “personally (I) think he’s ready to take that next step. … That means, to me, the production goes way up, and he’s more of the guy that is on the field most of the time."
Turner confirms he expects Mathews to be given "everything he can handle” in the workload department.
Turner confirms Mathews is the favorite for third-down duties.
SI’s Peter King reports the Chargers intend to "feed" Mathews "as much as any back in the league.” Turner compares Mathews to Ricky Williams.
The Chargers’ official website goes on the record as expecting Mathews to be “one of the NFL's top workhorses and a Fantasy Football favorite in 2012."
There's a lot more. So the difference between 10 and 11 fumbles is difference between going from high praise to being supplanted by a 29 year old plodder? Ball security is a very fixable issue, you can't however turn back time or magically inherit football skill.
AJ Smith had a quote? What? When? This is totally new information!Really? You saw the AJ Smith quotes right this past week? Do I need to post those?When Mathews had 10 fumbles in 26 games..Turner says he expects a “breakout, big-time year” from Mathews.You Mathews enthusiasts aren't thinking practical football here. This guy has fumbled in almost half his NFL games played! 11 fumbles in 28 career games!!!!!!!! You can only ride your "talent" for so long until you start costing the team wins. And when you cost the team wins you cost the head coach his job. Norv and AJ are already on the hot seat.
If this guy puts the ball on the ground again he may be done in SD. I'm serious... just let another late game crucial situation come up in which he drops the ball....he wont ever see it again. ...and you TRUST him not to fumble thru the remaining season? I'm sorry I dont. Battle looked good vs KC and good late last year. The Chargers really ahve no option here because Mathews is on his last leg.
Turner says he believes Mathews is capable of leading the NFL in rushing, and that “personally (I) think he’s ready to take that next step. … That means, to me, the production goes way up, and he’s more of the guy that is on the field most of the time."
Turner confirms he expects Mathews to be given "everything he can handle” in the workload department.
Turner confirms Mathews is the favorite for third-down duties.
SI’s Peter King reports the Chargers intend to "feed" Mathews "as much as any back in the league.” Turner compares Mathews to Ricky Williams.
The Chargers’ official website goes on the record as expecting Mathews to be “one of the NFL's top workhorses and a Fantasy Football favorite in 2012."
There's a lot more. So the difference between 10 and 11 fumbles is difference between going from high praise to being supplanted by a 29 year old plodder? Ball security is a very fixable issue, you can't however turn back time or magically inherit football skill.
Sure, but you'd be missing my point. The fumbling was a clear issue prior to his 11th fumble. I highly doubt SD has pulled a full 180 on their position with Mathews, regardless of what Smith said. They know he's their most talented offensive weapon and their future. You'd have to be completely delusional to think Battle is a long term threat to Mathews. Again, ball security issues are something that can be fixed. Battle however, cannot fix his issues, I.E, turn back time and become more talented.Really? You saw the AJ Smith quotes right this past week? Do I need to post those?When Mathews had 10 fumbles in 26 games..Turner says he expects a “breakout, big-time year” from Mathews.You Mathews enthusiasts aren't thinking practical football here. This guy has fumbled in almost half his NFL games played! 11 fumbles in 28 career games!!!!!!!! You can only ride your "talent" for so long until you start costing the team wins. And when you cost the team wins you cost the head coach his job. Norv and AJ are already on the hot seat.
If this guy puts the ball on the ground again he may be done in SD. I'm serious... just let another late game crucial situation come up in which he drops the ball....he wont ever see it again. ...and you TRUST him not to fumble thru the remaining season? I'm sorry I dont. Battle looked good vs KC and good late last year. The Chargers really ahve no option here because Mathews is on his last leg.
Turner says he believes Mathews is capable of leading the NFL in rushing, and that “personally (I) think he’s ready to take that next step. … That means, to me, the production goes way up, and he’s more of the guy that is on the field most of the time."
Turner confirms he expects Mathews to be given "everything he can handle” in the workload department.
Turner confirms Mathews is the favorite for third-down duties.
SI’s Peter King reports the Chargers intend to "feed" Mathews "as much as any back in the league.” Turner compares Mathews to Ricky Williams.
The Chargers’ official website goes on the record as expecting Mathews to be “one of the NFL's top workhorses and a Fantasy Football favorite in 2012."
There's a lot more. So the difference between 10 and 11 fumbles is difference between going from high praise to being supplanted by a 29 year old plodder? Ball security is a very fixable issue, you can't however turn back time or magically inherit football skill.
Kevin Acee of the Union-Tribune San Diego anticipates Ryan Mathews handling more touches than Jackie Battle in Week 5 against the Saints.
Acee qualified his projection with, "if the game goes how the Chargers hope," suggesting it's possible Battle will play more early in the game and Mathews might figure into the same role as last week -- largely a clock killer. Backfield distributions don't always play out like teams draw them up, of course. We'd consider Mathews an RB2 in Week 5 and Battle more of a flex.
I actually think battle will get a couple of rec and may get multiple TDs. the saints are that bad. Mathews should be fine to start too though. It will be interesting to see what happens when he fumbles again cause you know its going to happen. I wonder what will happen first...Mathews fumble or another Mathews injury? they both seem to happen quite a bitI hope we see something like that, I expect to see Battle handle all short yardage and GL situations and about a 65/35 overall split in favor of Mathews. Another so-so day for Mathews against the Saints will kill his value and probably kill a lot of our teams too.Matthews 110 total yards, 1 TD.Battle 40 total yards, 1 TD.This thread is going to be littered with "lmao" emoticons come Sunday when Mathews breaks out while Battle watches from the sidelines.![]()
How many INT's does Rivers throw a game? He has 4 in 4 games this year. He almost led the league in INT's last year with 20 (only Fitzpatrick with 23 and Freeman with 22 had more), and Mathews has a problem costing them games? There is something more to this than meets the eye. I firmly believe that Turner is just going along with what AJ Smith is doing, but AJ is upset at Mathews for some reason not related to his fumbling.You Mathews enthusiasts aren't thinking practical football here. This guy has fumbled in almost half his NFL games played! 11 fumbles in 28 career games!!!!!!!! You can only ride your "talent" for so long until you start costing the team wins. And when you cost the team wins you cost the head coach his job. Norv and AJ are already on the hot seat. If this guy puts the ball on the ground again he may be done in SD. I'm serious... just let another late game crucial situation come up in which he drops the ball....he wont ever see it again. ...and you TRUST him not to fumble thru the remaining season? I'm sorry I dont. Battle looked good vs KC and good late last year. The Chargers really ahve no option here because Mathews is on his last leg.
exactly, but AJ wouldnt dare call out Rivers, after all he kept him over Drew freaking Brees. the guys a moron and should of been fired years agoHow many INT's does Rivers throw a game? He has 4 in 4 games this year. He almost led the league in INT's last year with 20 (only Fitzpatrick with 23 and Freeman with 22 had more), and Mathews has a problem costing them games? There is something more to this than meets the eye. I firmly believe that Turner is just going along with what AJ Smith is doing, but AJ is upset at Mathews for some reason not related to his fumbling.You Mathews enthusiasts aren't thinking practical football here. This guy has fumbled in almost half his NFL games played! 11 fumbles in 28 career games!!!!!!!! You can only ride your "talent" for so long until you start costing the team wins. And when you cost the team wins you cost the head coach his job. Norv and AJ are already on the hot seat. If this guy puts the ball on the ground again he may be done in SD. I'm serious... just let another late game crucial situation come up in which he drops the ball....he wont ever see it again. ...and you TRUST him not to fumble thru the remaining season? I'm sorry I dont. Battle looked good vs KC and good late last year. The Chargers really ahve no option here because Mathews is on his last leg.
I hope he fumbles on the first drive and never sees the field again.The Battle cry is going to die a horrible death after this week.
preferably the dreaded Lis Franc to put an end to him for good.I hope he fumbles on the first drive and never sees the field again.The Battle cry is going to die a horrible death after this week.
JACKIE BATTLE would laugh it off and score three TDs to spite you.preferably the dreaded Lis Franc to put an end to him for good.I hope he fumbles on the first drive and never sees the field again.The Battle cry is going to die a horrible death after this week.
lot of hating going on here. Jackie eats hate for breakfast and craps TDs in the afternoonpreferably the dreaded Lis Franc to put an end to him for good.I hope he fumbles on the first drive and never sees the field again.The Battle cry is going to die a horrible death after this week.
exactly, but AJ wouldnt dare call out Rivers, after all he kept him over Drew freaking Brees. the guys a moron and should of been fired years agoHow many INT's does Rivers throw a game? He has 4 in 4 games this year. He almost led the league in INT's last year with 20 (only Fitzpatrick with 23 and Freeman with 22 had more), and Mathews has a problem costing them games? There is something more to this than meets the eye. I firmly believe that Turner is just going along with what AJ Smith is doing, but AJ is upset at Mathews for some reason not related to his fumbling.You Mathews enthusiasts aren't thinking practical football here. This guy has fumbled in almost half his NFL games played! 11 fumbles in 28 career games!!!!!!!! You can only ride your "talent" for so long until you start costing the team wins. And when you cost the team wins you cost the head coach his job. Norv and AJ are already on the hot seat.
If this guy puts the ball on the ground again he may be done in SD. I'm serious... just let another late game crucial situation come up in which he drops the ball....he wont ever see it again. ...and you TRUST him not to fumble thru the remaining season? I'm sorry I dont. Battle looked good vs KC and good late last year. The Chargers really ahve no option here because Mathews is on his last leg.
He's good, but Mathews is a lot better (assuming no fumbles).However, fantasy football is part talent and part opportunity.If Norv and company keep giving Battle playing time, he will produce.At the every least, Battle limits Mathew's upside.People don't seem to realize that Jackie Battle isn't good.
No he's not, he's a mediocre backup quality talent.He's good, but Mathews is a lot better (assuming no fumbles).However, fantasy football is part talent and part opportunity.People don't seem to realize that Jackie Battle isn't good.
If Norv and company keep giving Battle playing time, he will produce.
At the every least, Battle limits Mathew's upside.
your word against mine. Wait, and Norv's too...or is it AJ?No he's not, he's a mediocre backup quality talent.He's good, but Mathews is a lot better (assuming no fumbles).However, fantasy football is part talent and part opportunity.People don't seem to realize that Jackie Battle isn't good.
If Norv and company keep giving Battle playing time, he will produce.
At the every least, Battle limits Mathew's upside.
I am not sure you want that back up.your word against mine. Wait, and Norv's too...or is it AJ?No he's not, he's a mediocre backup quality talent.He's good, but Mathews is a lot better (assuming no fumbles).However, fantasy football is part talent and part opportunity.People don't seem to realize that Jackie Battle isn't good.
If Norv and company keep giving Battle playing time, he will produce.
At the every least, Battle limits Mathew's upside..
Haha, I can see that. The fact remains this: if mathews fumbles again, he is in deep poo. Besides that, the Chargers have decided that Battle can be counted if Mathews decides to get hurt or eat popcorn before a game. Of course Battle can decide he likes popcorn too, and then Mathews owners can rejoice!!I am not sure you want that back up.your word against mine. Wait, and Norv's too...or is it AJ?No he's not, he's a mediocre backup quality talent.He's good, but Mathews is a lot better (assuming no fumbles).However, fantasy football is part talent and part opportunity.People don't seem to realize that Jackie Battle isn't good.
If Norv and company keep giving Battle playing time, he will produce.
At the every least, Battle limits Mathew's upside..
Coaches and GM's are wrong all the time, anyone who's watched Jackie Battle knows he's a replacement level talent. Anyone except those 2 anyway, apparently.your word against mine. Wait, and Norv's too...or is it AJ?No he's not, he's a mediocre backup quality talent.He's good, but Mathews is a lot better (assuming no fumbles).However, fantasy football is part talent and part opportunity.People don't seem to realize that Jackie Battle isn't good.
If Norv and company keep giving Battle playing time, he will produce.
At the every least, Battle limits Mathew's upside..
exactly, but AJ wouldnt dare call out Rivers, after all he kept him over Drew freaking Brees. the guys a moron and should of been fired years agoHow many INT's does Rivers throw a game? He has 4 in 4 games this year. He almost led the league in INT's last year with 20 (only Fitzpatrick with 23 and Freeman with 22 had more), and Mathews has a problem costing them games? There is something more to this than meets the eye. I firmly believe that Turner is just going along with what AJ Smith is doing, but AJ is upset at Mathews for some reason not related to his fumbling.You Mathews enthusiasts aren't thinking practical football here. This guy has fumbled in almost half his NFL games played! 11 fumbles in 28 career games!!!!!!!! You can only ride your "talent" for so long until you start costing the team wins. And when you cost the team wins you cost the head coach his job. Norv and AJ are already on the hot seat.
If this guy puts the ball on the ground again he may be done in SD. I'm serious... just let another late game crucial situation come up in which he drops the ball....he wont ever see it again. ...and you TRUST him not to fumble thru the remaining season? I'm sorry I dont. Battle looked good vs KC and good late last year. The Chargers really ahve no option here because Mathews is on his last leg.![]()
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Chargers coach Norv Turner was noncommittal Friday when asked who he'll start at running back in Week 5 against the Saints.
"The starter, we'll find out on the first play of the game," Turner said. If the Chargers had truly had a permanent depth-chart change, it stands to reason Turner wouldn't have been so evasive and named Jackie Battle the starter as he was last week. But that's not the case. Turner did indicate that Battle and Mathews will form a Week 5 timeshare. "It’s not a big deal," said Turner. "One had 14 carries and one had 15 carries (last week), and if we can get that done again, it’ll be outstanding."
or it will be filled the BATTLE cry, RUN JACKIE RUNThis thread is going to be littered with "lmao" emoticons come Sunday when Mathews breaks out while Battle watches from the sidelines.
You start Mathews without thinking twice.What do you do here if you own Mathews and Battle? Play for TDs? Assume it's no big deal? Buying low may not have been the greatest idea ever...
I'm not so sure though - I think that ideally, you can wait it out. Hopefully people aren't stuck with just one spot and one guy this week and could wait.You start Mathews without thinking twice.What do you do here if you own Mathews and Battle? Play for TDs? Assume it's no big deal? Buying low may not have been the greatest idea ever...
I did think twice about it and going with Mathews.You start Mathews without thinking twice.What do you do here if you own Mathews and Battle? Play for TDs? Assume it's no big deal? Buying low may not have been the greatest idea ever...
Only twice??I did think twice about it and going with Mathews.You start Mathews without thinking twice.What do you do here if you own Mathews and Battle? Play for TDs? Assume it's no big deal? Buying low may not have been the greatest idea ever...