Mathews On Short Leash (1 Viewer)

[Wadsworth]

Is this an appropriate thread to ask if anyone is trying to buy Mathews based on this news?

I personally would want no part of Matthews unless the price is REALLY low.I would however put a WW claim in for Battle if he is available.

I don't think the Mathews price is that low, yet. I picked up Battle last week, and emailed the Mathews ownwer about a trade; he had zero interest. Interestingly, he wasn't interested in acquiring Battle, either. That being said, I would definitely get Battle. I doubt he gets many more starts (barring injury), but I could see him holding onto a lot of the short yardage/goal-line work. Tolbert got double-digit TDs each of the last 2 years in that role, Battle might be able to do close to that.

Technically, this isn't true. Per DD, defining goal line carries as from opponent's 5 yard line and closer, here is the breakdown on goal line touches last seasons between Tolbert and Mathews:Tolbert: 5 TDs in 18 rushing attempts; also 1 catch on 4 targets for 1 TD

Mathews: 4 TDs in 5 rushing attempts; 0 targets

Tolbert had 6 TDs from the goal line role, and Mathews had 4. And Mathews had a much higher success rate.

Facts and stuff are interesting, but seriously, Jackie Battle has a really cool name.

 

[two_dollars]

20 touches, 150 total yards and 1 TD next week.

Wow, thats predicting big numbers for Battle

Battle himself would be surprised by this

Battle needs to get surprised more often. He'd lead a ton of teams to a title.

Battle could get 150 yards rushing.. he'd only need 50 carries to do it.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm a bit confused on this situation. What exactly is Matthews' fumbling history, and where does he rank in that category vs. other NFL RBs? Sorry if already posted.

Not sure how he compares to the other RBs, but I saw a stat that says he fumbles every 42 1/2 touches he gets, which has to be pretty high. He has 11 fumbles in the 26 NFL games he has played. That's a lot.

 

[Bayhawks]

Is this an appropriate thread to ask if anyone is trying to buy Mathews based on this news?

I personally would want no part of Matthews unless the price is REALLY low.I would however put a WW claim in for Battle if he is available.

I don't think the Mathews price is that low, yet. I picked up Battle last week, and emailed the Mathews ownwer about a trade; he had zero interest. Interestingly, he wasn't interested in acquiring Battle, either. That being said, I would definitely get Battle. I doubt he gets many more starts (barring injury), but I could see him holding onto a lot of the short yardage/goal-line work. Tolbert got double-digit TDs each of the last 2 years in that role, Battle might be able to do close to that.

Technically, this isn't true. Per DD, defining goal line carries as from opponent's 5 yard line and closer, here is the breakdown on goal line touches last seasons between Tolbert and Mathews:Tolbert: 5 TDs in 18 rushing attempts; also 1 catch on 4 targets for 1 TD

Mathews: 4 TDs in 5 rushing attempts; 0 targets

Tolbert had 6 TDs from the goal line role, and Mathews had 4. And Mathews had a much higher success rate.

You misunderstood what I meant (or perhaps I wasn't clear enough).The last two years, Tolbert occupied a specific role in SD's offense; that is bigger, short-yardage, goal-line type back. He was able to score double-digit TDs in each of those years (not specifically, goal-line TDs). I could see them plugging Battle into that role, and getting close to that (double-digit TDs). That would definitely give him RB2/Flex value in FF leagues.

 

[Wadsworth]

I'm a bit confused on this situation. What exactly is Matthews' fumbling history, and where does he rank in that category vs. other NFL RBs? Sorry if already posted.

Not sure how he compares to the other RBs, but I saw a stat that says he fumbles every 42 1/2 touches he gets, which has to be pretty high. He has 11 fumbles in the 26 NFL games he has played. That's a lot.

I do not know the exact comparison but clearly he fumbles more than the average RB. That said, he fumbled 5 times in 2011 losing 2. Not exactly a crazy high number.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm a bit confused on this situation. What exactly is Matthews' fumbling history, and where does he rank in that category vs. other NFL RBs? Sorry if already posted.

Not sure how he compares to the other RBs, but I saw a stat that says he fumbles every 42 1/2 touches he gets, which has to be pretty high. He has 11 fumbles in the 26 NFL games he has played. That's a lot.

I do not know the exact comparison but clearly he fumbles more than the average RB. That said, he fumbled 5 times in 2011 losing 2. Not exactly a crazy high number.

It is for a RB. Cedric Benson was the only other RB who fumbled 5 times in 2011. Four other RBs fumbled 4 times.

 

[Wadsworth]

I'm a bit confused on this situation. What exactly is Matthews' fumbling history, and where does he rank in that category vs. other NFL RBs? Sorry if already posted.

Not sure how he compares to the other RBs, but I saw a stat that says he fumbles every 42 1/2 touches he gets, which has to be pretty high. He has 11 fumbles in the 26 NFL games he has played. That's a lot.

I do not know the exact comparison but clearly he fumbles more than the average RB. That said, he fumbled 5 times in 2011 losing 2. Not exactly a crazy high number.

It is for a RB. Cedric Benson was the only other RB who fumbled 5 times in 2011. Four other RBs fumbled 4 times.

I am not going to look up every RB but as a Jags fan I know MJD fumbled 6 times 2011.

 

[Tau837]

I'm a bit confused on this situation. What exactly is Matthews' fumbling history, and where does he rank in that category vs. other NFL RBs? Sorry if already posted.

Not sure how he compares to the other RBs, but I saw a stat that says he fumbles every 42 1/2 touches he gets, which has to be pretty high. He has 11 fumbles in the 26 NFL games he has played. That's a lot.

2012: 1 fumble on 31 touches so far2011: 5 fumbles on 272 touches2010: 5 fumbles on 180 touchesEntering this season, he had fumbled 1 time every 45.2 touches. However, it was 1 time every 36 touches his first season, and 1 fumble every 54.4 touches in his second season. Hopefully he will show a similar level of improvement this year and will end up with 4 or fewer fumbles on the season.As I've posted previously, he had 1 fumble in his last 5 games (107 touches) last season, which IMO is a good sign.Don't know how this rate compares, but I assume it's high compared to most other RBs.Also, he has played in 28 games, not 26.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm a bit confused on this situation. What exactly is Matthews' fumbling history, and where does he rank in that category vs. other NFL RBs? Sorry if already posted.

Not sure how he compares to the other RBs, but I saw a stat that says he fumbles every 42 1/2 touches he gets, which has to be pretty high. He has 11 fumbles in the 26 NFL games he has played. That's a lot.

I do not know the exact comparison but clearly he fumbles more than the average RB. That said, he fumbled 5 times in 2011 losing 2. Not exactly a crazy high number.

It is for a RB. Cedric Benson was the only other RB who fumbled 5 times in 2011. Four other RBs fumbled 4 times.

I am not going to look up every RB but as a Jags fan I know MJD fumbled 6 times 2011.

3 times. I looked it up.

I'm a bit confused on this situation. What exactly is Matthews' fumbling history, and where does he rank in that category vs. other NFL RBs? Sorry if already posted.

Not sure how he compares to the other RBs, but I saw a stat that says he fumbles every 42 1/2 touches he gets, which has to be pretty high. He has 11 fumbles in the 26 NFL games he has played. That's a lot.

2012: 1 fumble on 31 touches so far2011: 5 fumbles on 272 touches2010: 5 fumbles on 180 touchesEntering this season, he had fumbled 1 time every 45.2 touches. However, it was 1 time every 36 touches his first season, and 1 fumble every 54.4 touches in his second season. Hopefully he will show a similar level of improvement this year and will end up with 4 or fewer fumbles on the season.As I've posted previously, he had 1 fumble in his last 107 touches last season, which IMO is a good sign.Don't know how this rate compares, but I assume it's high compared to most other RBs.Also, he has played in 28 games, not 26.

That was a good sign, but fumbling on the first drive he played in this year is a bad sign. I guess we'll see once he starts getting more touches. For the record, I am not disputing the guy's talent. I had him on two teams last year and was more than pleased with his production when he played, but I just feel that his knack for being injury-prone makes him scary to spend too much money on in auctions (or to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on in drafts). And his fumbling is a problem as it keeps him from getting more touches at times, like this past Sunday.

 

[Wadsworth]

I'm a bit confused on this situation. What exactly is Matthews' fumbling history, and where does he rank in that category vs. other NFL RBs? Sorry if already posted.

Not sure how he compares to the other RBs, but I saw a stat that says he fumbles every 42 1/2 touches he gets, which has to be pretty high. He has 11 fumbles in the 26 NFL games he has played. That's a lot.

I do not know the exact comparison but clearly he fumbles more than the average RB. That said, he fumbled 5 times in 2011 losing 2. Not exactly a crazy high number.

It is for a RB. Cedric Benson was the only other RB who fumbled 5 times in 2011. Four other RBs fumbled 4 times.

I am not going to look up every RB but as a Jags fan I know MJD fumbled 6 times 2011.

3 times. I looked it up.

MJD in 2011: 6 fumblesHowever you are looking it up is not matching what I am seeing. A quick glance showed at least one other RB at 5 fumbles and more than 4 with 4 fumbles.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Hmmm, this shows:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingFumbles/year/2011

that he only had 3. Weird.

 

[wudaben]

2010 Fumbles:

Player F RUSH PASS

Hillis 8 270 61

Benson 7 321 28

Bradshaw 7 276 47

F Jackson 5 222 31

Tolbert 5 182 25

Mathews 5 158 22

2011 Fumbles:

MJD 6 343 43

Foster 6 278 53

Choice 6 152 19

Benson 5 273 15

Mathews 5 222 50

Blount 5 184 15

R Bush 4 216 43

Tate 4 175 13

2012 Fumbles:

Green-Ellis 3 82 6

McCoy 3 81 14

Gerhart 3 22 6

Charles 2 72 12

MJD 2 72 13

Mathews 1 24 7

2011 Fumbles Lost:

D Carter 3

Blount 3

Tate 3

Foster 3

McGahee 3

Helu 2

Mathews 2

Redman 2

Wells 2

Ball 2

Choice 2

Rice 2

Forte 2

F Jones 2

Lynch 2

F jackson 2

R Bush 2

Gore 2

Benson 2

Turner 2

M Moore 2

Ricky Williams 2

 

[BigJim®]

I get the concern over a RB who is constantly fumbling, but seems to me this is one of those topics where some teams tolerate it and apparently SD does not. Odd, since Ladanian Tomlinson fumbled 8, 3, 2, 6 in his first 4 seasons and I don't recall a peep about it. Doing some research for Matthews stats I saw that Marcus Allen had 65 fumbles over his career. Hopefully he gets over it because I dread what will happen with the next one, and let's be honest, the next one is inevitable for a RB touching the ball 20 times a game.

 

[JHuber77]

20 touches, 150 total yards and 1 TD next week.

Wow, thats predicting big numbers for Battle

Battle himself would be surprised by this

Battle needs to get surprised more often. He'd lead a ton of teams to a title.

I was referring to when Battle stated that he was surprised he got the start and that much work. The only title he would lead people to is a toilet bowl title.http://www.nctimes.com/sports/football/professional/nfl/chargers/chargers-notes-battle-takes-center-stage-against-former-team/article_70a10708-9c35-5bf9-bc70-3e9cd47b6d2b.html

 

[SacramentoBob]

I get the concern over a RB who is constantly fumbling, but seems to me this is one of those topics where some teams tolerate it and apparently SD does not. Odd, since Ladanian Tomlinson fumbled 8, 3, 2, 6 in his first 4 seasons and I don't recall a peep about it.

He was also getting 400+ touches a season.

 

[wudaben]

Even more useless stats...

2009 Fumbles lost:

Peterson 6

Slaton 5

Hightower 4

Moreno 4

Rice 4

Moroney 4

McFadden 3

C Johnson 3

Forte 3

D Williams 3

Greene 3

R Bush 3

Mendenhall 3

Charles 3

2010 Fumbles Lost:

Bradshaw 6

Benson 5

Hillis 5

Stewart 4

Lynch 4

Hightowner 4

Mendenhall 4

Spiller 3

Gerhart 3

tolbert 3

McFadden 3

Charles 3

Goodson 3

Blount 3

Mathews 3

Sproles 3

 

[phommk]

hopefully they're just easing him into getting a full load of carries after the injury. I believe once the offense is struggling when battle is in, theyll just ride it out with mathews.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

I can't believe I wasted my #1 pick on this scrub. I could have picked CJ2yards/carry.

 

[Not Sleeping]

What we REALLY need is a Jackie Battle fumble, on the goal-line, with the game on the line.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Jackie battle about to be interviewed on NFL fantasy live on CBS

 

[VaTerp]

All the fumble stats indicate that YES, Mathews has fumbled the ball too much beginning his 3rd year in the league but it's not like he's been a fumbler to the level that AJ Smith and Norv needed to react the way they did. The guy fumbled trying to get extra yards after not playing for over 6 weeks.

If they were that worried about Mathews ball security and felt they wanted to play Battle more and even start him fine but just do it. By going through the media and then making such a dramatic statement with the playing time Sunday AJ and Norv brought way too much attention and scrutiny to the situation.

Comes off as a preemptive CYA move or power trip that were both unnecessary. Now if Mathews gets over his fumble problem they take credit for "motivating" him and if he fails they've given themselves cover to cut bait.

All just very frustrating as a Mathews owner. But I'm going to try and remain optimistic with Mathews looking relatively good with the touches he's getting, my man Big Jared back at LT, and I think things will fall in to place. The naysayers will are quick to pat themselves on the back but patience can still be rewarded.

AJ #### and Norv give the boy the damn ball.

 

[leave a whisper]

per RotoWorld:

Ryan Mathews - RB - Chargers

Coach Norv Turner told Ryan Mathews last Wednesday that he wouldn't start versus the Chiefs.

The Chargers did a good job of keeping a tight lid on that tidbit. Turner also accepted a portion of the blame for Mathews' Week 3 fumble for using him too heavily in his first game back. The message having been sent, Mathews is expected to assume starting duties this week. It's quite possible that he's lost goal-line work to Jackie Battle, however.

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego Oct 2 - 2:27 PM

 

[rascal]

FWIW, tried buying on Matthews (Dez and DeAngelo) and the owner wasn't interested.

 

[Skeetcher]

More discussion on the subject..

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/fantasy/10/01/nfl-fantasy-roundtable/index.html

 

[Funkley]

In the process of trading Mathews and my first round pick next year for L. McCoy. Cant have this guy on my team anymore.

 

[hines]

More discussion on the subject..http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/fantasy/10/01/nfl-fantasy-roundtable/index.html

those guys seem ill-informed and like they aren't following the situation as closely as we are

 

[Tau837]

More discussion on the subject..http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/fantasy/10/01/nfl-fantasy-roundtable/index.html

those guys seem ill-informed and like they aren't following the situation as closely as we are

 

[Raider Nation]

No better tactic to have your star RB relax and just play football than having him know he's headed right back to the bench the next time he fumbles. I'm sure he'll be loose and worry-free.

 

[SacramentoBob]

No better tactic to have your star RB relax and just play football than having him know he's headed right back to the bench the next time he fumbles. I'm sure he'll be loose and worry-free.

Worked for Tiki Barber.

 

[Raider Nation]

No better tactic to have your star RB relax and just play football than having him know he's headed right back to the bench the next time he fumbles. I'm sure he'll be loose and worry-free.

Worked for Tiki Barber.

How'd it go for Rashaan Salaam?

 

[SacramentoBob]

No better tactic to have your star RB relax and just play football than having him know he's headed right back to the bench the next time he fumbles. I'm sure he'll be loose and worry-free.

Worked for Tiki Barber.

How'd it go for Rashaan Salaam?

He fumbled less.

 

[Raider Nation]

No better tactic to have your star RB relax and just play football than having him know he's headed right back to the bench the next time he fumbles. I'm sure he'll be loose and worry-free.

Worked for Tiki Barber.

How'd it go for Rashaan Salaam?

He fumbled less.

That's one way to look at it.

 

[phommk]

for whats its worth. i still believe you dont punish your best offensive player for fumbling in his first game back with contact after not being hit for weeks. Its hard to believe that this will continue especially with Turner and AJ in the hot seat.

He doesn’t sacrifice players publicly, most recently evidenced by his treatment of Ryan Mathews. He told Mathews last Wednesday he wouldn’t start Sunday, but it was kept quiet. Turner also told Mathews he bore some blame for running him so much in the first quarter of his first game after being sidelined for six weeks. And after Sunday’s game, Turner praised Mathews profusely and has deliberately declined to acknowledge a lack of trust in the young running back.

 

[VaTerp]

No better tactic to have your star RB relax and just play football than having him know he's headed right back to the bench the next time he fumbles. I'm sure he'll be loose and worry-free.

Worked for Tiki Barber.

What worked for Barber was Coughlin changing his technique. Not benching and going through the media.

 

[sammy8887]

for whats its worth. i still believe you dont punish your best offensive player for fumbling in his first game back with contact after not being hit for weeks. Its hard to believe that this will continue especially with Turner and AJ in the hot seat.

He doesn’t sacrifice players publicly, most recently evidenced by his treatment of Ryan Mathews. He told Mathews last Wednesday he wouldn’t start Sunday, but it was kept quiet. Turner also told Mathews he bore some blame for running him so much in the first quarter of his first game after being sidelined for six weeks. And after Sunday’s game, Turner praised Mathews profusely and has deliberately declined to acknowledge a lack of trust in the young running back.

During the game Sunday the announcers quoted Antonio Gates as defending Mathews and saying the coaching staff should take some blame for the workload/fumble in Mathews' first game back as suggested above. Something's gone horribly wrong in the Chargers PR department with this topic, but I think Mathews starts Sunday and gets 20+ touches...

 

[Wadsworth]

No better tactic to have your star RB relax and just play football than having him know he's headed right back to the bench the next time he fumbles. I'm sure he'll be loose and worry-free.

Worked for Tiki Barber.

What worked for Barber was Coughlin changing his technique. Not benching and going through the media.

 

[SacramentoBob]

No better tactic to have your star RB relax and just play football than having him know he's headed right back to the bench the next time he fumbles. I'm sure he'll be loose and worry-free.

Worked for Tiki Barber.

What worked for Barber was Coughlin changing his technique. Not benching and going through the media.

That and naming Ron Dayne the starter during the pre-season. Guess we all forgot about that. He also got about 40% more carries in game 1, although I think he got injured.

 

[shadyridr]

http://www.chargers.com/team/depth-chart.html

Bumped down to #2 on the depth chart

 

[sdp1226]

http://www.chargers....epth-chart.html

Bumped down to #2 on the depth chart

@*#**@ Norv!!!

 

[Bayhawks]

http://www.chargers....epth-chart.html

Bumped down to #2 on the depth chart

@*#**@ Norv!!!

Why so upset. Wasn't Battle #2 last week? He got the start and lots of work, I would take this as a good sign.

 

[Ace zero1]

So battle must be starting again Sunday.

 

[joffer]

 

[MAC_32]

Still buying, should be even easier now. Battle is just a guy, if this team is going anywhere it'll be in large part due to Mathews.

 

[sdp1226]

http://www.chargers....epth-chart.html

Bumped down to #2 on the depth chart

@*#**@ Norv!!!

Why so upset. Wasn't Battle #2 last week? He got the start and lots of work, I would take this as a good sign.

I'm still steaming from week 4. I personally have no idea how to take this. All I know is NO is a very juicy match-up, which makes Matthews a must start. Is Norv still 'sending a message' or is there more there that we don;t know about?

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

The depth chart thing is dumb. But Matthews/Battle is basically Matthews/Tolbert from last year right? Both have value but Battle keeps Matthews from becoming an absolute FF monster.

 

[DevilintheDetail]

Wait, how is it not a huge story that Battle is now listed as the starting RB on the official depth chart? Battle has looked good so far and got a lot of work last week. Mathews mostly had a cleanup role. If that stays the case, isn't Battle a top 15 RB moving forward?

 

[Wadsworth]

Wait, how is it not a huge story that Battle is now listed as the starting RB on the official depth chart? Battle has looked good so far and got a lot of work last week. Mathews mostly had a cleanup role. If that stays the case, isn't Battle a top 15 RB moving forward?

If you put a lot of faith in team depth charts then yes, it is a big story.

 

[two_dollars]

Wait, how is it not a huge story that Battle is now listed as the starting RB on the official depth chart? Battle has looked good so far and got a lot of work last week. Mathews mostly had a cleanup role. If that stays the case, isn't Battle a top 15 RB moving forward?

Charles was listed behind Hills.

 

[Warpig]

Thank goodness I traded Mathews for a 2014 5th round rookie pick, Jackie Battle, and Justin Forsett at the beginning of the year. I knew Battle was gonna be THE MAN in that backfield and be a top 10 RB. You guys are all scrubs for not seeing the writing on the wall there. BOW TO ME!

 

[DevilintheDetail]

Wait, how is it not a huge story that Battle is now listed as the starting RB on the official depth chart? Battle has looked good so far and got a lot of work last week. Mathews mostly had a cleanup role. If that stays the case, isn't Battle a top 15 RB moving forward?

If you put a lot of faith in team depth charts then yes, it is a big story.

Well, why would they make the affirmative move of changing it at this point? They aren't doing it to "send a message" to Mathews.