Matt Flynn a Seahawk (1 Viewer)

[ImTheScientist]

I have a lot of respect for Phil Simms and he chimed in on Matt Flynn's abilities recently.

Phil Simms gave an interview with former Seahawk QB Brock Hourd and Matt Flynn came up.

This interview came out the day after Peyton Manning was let go by the Colts so Peyton talk dominates the first half of the interview. Go to the 14 minute mark of the interview to get Simm's take on Flynn.

GO TO THE LINK because I tried transcribing as best as I could but it went by too fast for me to get everything.

The transcription below is missing huge chunks so go to the link and listen for Simms' take on Flynn.

Brutally honest and that is what I have come to expect from Phil Simms.

Again the firt half of the interview is primarily Peyton Manning chatter so skip to around the 14 minute mark to get to his take on Flynn.

Phil"]http://mynorthwest.com/422/641913/ExNFL-quarterback-Phil-Simms-isnt-sold-on-Matt-Flynn"]Phil Simms isn't sold on Matt Flynn[/url

]... Look I've watched Matt Flynn... I.. I don't know.

I never looked at him and said, WOW, great feet. Wow, great arm.

I feel you need something special physically.

When I see Matt Flynn I don't see something that stands out.

His throwing has improved dramatically. I've seen his two starts and nothing physically stood out to me.

Look, nothing against him but if he keeps throwing the ball. His size? Nothing special. Nothing jumped out at me. Don't be telling me he's a great guy and great in the huddle. Its always about doing something physical.

What about Peyton Manning? He's nothing special physically. WRONG! Great feet. Great size. Yeah their are exceptions but if you are looking for a miracle then you are in trouble if you start doing that. If you are trying to find magic, you are going to get fired. I don't want to hear about intangibles.

The gist of Simms' take is that Matt Flynn is a system QB and brings nothing special physically about his game to the table. Simms feels that great QBs have special physical skills, either great feet or arm or size and he sees no great physical skills with Flynn.

Simms confesses that their are exceptions but that if you count on finding an exception you are seeking miracles and that gets you fired.

Excellent take on Flynn and a good barometer for looking at any QB prospect where you spy something physical that a QB prospect can bring to the table that sets him apart from the rest of the herd.

Never thought of Peyton Manning having great physical skills but he does have great size and he really does set his feet quickly and is able to move up in the pocket so he does have great feet.

Simms ir right in his evaluation and its a great insight and well worth the listen.



EDIT: Arrgh. trying to post the link again.

Go to this link then click on the audio tab and a player will pop-up and then click on the interview and you can move the cursor forward to around the 14 minute mark.

You didn't catch the followup to that interview where he went back and watched film on Flynn and said he actually likes him a lot more after actually watching him. Just sayin, I listen to that show every day and as a followup he spoke again with Brock and said he likes him after studying the film.

 

[Shutout]

I have a lot of respect for Phil Simms and he chimed in on Matt Flynn's abilities recently.

Phil Simms gave an interview with former Seahawk QB Brock Hourd and Matt Flynn came up.

This interview came out the day after Peyton Manning was let go by the Colts so Peyton talk dominates the first half of the interview. Go to the 14 minute mark of the interview to get Simm's take on Flynn.

GO TO THE LINK because I tried transcribing as best as I could but it went by too fast for me to get everything.

The transcription below is missing huge chunks so go to the link and listen for Simms' take on Flynn.

Brutally honest and that is what I have come to expect from Phil Simms.

Again the firt half of the interview is primarily Peyton Manning chatter so skip to around the 14 minute mark to get to his take on Flynn.

Phil Simms isn't sold on Matt Flynn[/url

]... Look I've watched Matt Flynn... I.. I don't know.

I never looked at him and said, WOW, great feet. Wow, great arm.

I feel you need something special physically.

When I see Matt Flynn I don't see something that stands out.

His throwing has improved dramatically. I've seen his two starts and nothing physically stood out to me.

Look, nothing against him but if he keeps throwing the ball. His size? Nothing special. Nothing jumped out at me. Don't be telling me he's a great guy and great in the huddle. Its always about doing something physical.

What about Peyton Manning? He's nothing special physically. WRONG! Great feet. Great size. Yeah their are exceptions but if you are looking for a miracle then you are in trouble if you start doing that. If you are trying to find magic, you are going to get fired. I don't want to hear about intangibles.

The gist of Simms' take is that Matt Flynn is a system QB and brings nothing special physically about his game to the table. Simms feels that great QBs have special physical skills, either great feet or arm or size and he sees no great physical skills with Flynn.

Simms confesses that their are exceptions but that if you count on finding an exception you are seeking miracles and that gets you fired.

Excellent take on Flynn and a good barometer for looking at any QB prospect where you spy something physical that a QB prospect can bring to the table that sets him apart from the rest of the herd.

Never thought of Peyton Manning having great physical skills but he does have great size and he really does set his feet quickly and is able to move up in the pocket so he does have great feet.

Simms ir right in his evaluation and its a great insight and well worth the listen.



EDIT: Arrgh. trying to post the link again.

Go to this link then click on the audio tab and a player will pop-up and then click on the interview and you can move the cursor forward to around the 14 minute mark.

Hopefully this one will work.

My link

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OK, for some reason that link isn't working so one last try.

On the ESPN Seattle Brock Huard blog page, go to the following day's entry:

Updated Mar 8, 2012 - 7:25 pm

Ex-NFL quarterback Phil Simms isn't sold on Matt Flynn

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Brock Huard blog

If the above linik doesn't work to get to that blog page then just cut and paste Phil Simms isn't sold on Matt Flynn and the link they provide should take you right to the page.

Not to burn your post down, but I sat here listening to my Sirius a few years ago when Simms was asked about the Vikings drafting this guy named Tarvaris Jackson a few days ago Simms absolutely RAVED about TJAX. He couldn't say enough nice things about him. I like Simms and I thought "he should know". But in this case, I just mention it because I thought of it when I read your post and it makes me think maybe he isn't that cracked up at summing these guys up OR he just has a special place in his heart for TJAX.

Personally (and this is just my .02), I think this signing is like history repeating itself. Years ago, you had a guy in Holmgren coming from the Packers that was familiar with Hasselbeck. Brings him in and it works.

Now you have John Schneider, coming from the Packers and familiar with Flynn. there MSUT be something they like here. And, while it may be coincidence, the team with another guy familair with Flynn (Dolphins new HC), was interested in him too.

Its a short sample of work, but I've liked every time Flynn has played. He really has not looked weak in any area. I know it seems to be a common regurgitation about a "weak arm", but I've seen him throwing some 35-45 yarders that were big plays or TDs and I don't know where that comes from. I Mean, most teams almost automatically start from the 20 these days and if you can hit big plays that account for 60% of the rest fo the field, what else do you want? How many 60-80 yard TDs are there each year? This seems pretty ideal (seems like most "big" TDs that occur with frequency in the NFL are 30-50 yards; right in Flynn's range).

 

[Todem]

If Philbin knows he's no good, why are they flying him in?

This is show business. Season tickets are dying, the fanbase is restless and flipping out down here (so annoying how dumb most football fans are)and ownership and the the front office have to save some face here and at least make the appearence they are trying to get things going in the right direction.They brought him in...did their due diligence and felt he was not the guy.Simple as that.I have no problem with not signing a career backup.Brady, Romo, Warner....those are diamonds in the rough and not common. We can go through tons of QB's who have failed.It's a crap shoot.

Wow...your logic makes no sense. Why would you not take a chance on a guy for a small contract? $10mil guaranteed is nothing for QBs. The bottom line for me is the Dolphins have done nothing but failed the last couple of years. See the coaching hires, coaching misses, player transaction fails......They brought him in and he choose Seattle. Why? He said the coaching staff and atmosphere was much better.

Um. Actually why would you try to sign a guy your not sold on? If they were sold on him they would have outbid Seattle. Miami is desperate for QB. Flynn is nothing special. Nothing jumps out that screams....wow he can fling it. Nothing. So why throw 10 Million on a guy who is not truly the answer.The Dolphins are rebuilding. they won't use that word.....but they are. I rather they stink this year and get a shot at a really good blue chip QB prospect in next years draft. They already have Matt Flynn....his name is Matt Moore. I don't think Flynn will be anything more than a very average NFL QB.

 

[ImTheScientist]

If Philbin knows he's no good, why are they flying him in?

This is show business. Season tickets are dying, the fanbase is restless and flipping out down here (so annoying how dumb most football fans are)and ownership and the the front office have to save some face here and at least make the appearence they are trying to get things going in the right direction.They brought him in...did their due diligence and felt he was not the guy.Simple as that.I have no problem with not signing a career backup.Brady, Romo, Warner....those are diamonds in the rough and not common. We can go through tons of QB's who have failed.It's a crap shoot.

Wow...your logic makes no sense. Why would you not take a chance on a guy for a small contract? $10mil guaranteed is nothing for QBs. The bottom line for me is the Dolphins have done nothing but failed the last couple of years. See the coaching hires, coaching misses, player transaction fails......They brought him in and he choose Seattle. Why? He said the coaching staff and atmosphere was much better.

Um. Actually why would you try to sign a guy your not sold on? If they were sold on him they would have outbid Seattle. Miami is desperate for QB. Flynn is nothing special. Nothing jumps out that screams....wow he can fling it. Nothing. So why throw 10 Million on a guy who is not truly the answer.The Dolphins are rebuilding. they won't use that word.....but they are. I rather they stink this year and get a shot at a really good blue chip QB prospect in next years draft. They already have Matt Flynn....his name is Matt Moore. I don't think Flynn will be anything more than a very average NFL QB.

Um, they did try to sign him... they brought him in and offered him a contract. Matt preferred Seattle. Im not sure what you don't understand about that. Im glad you can try to rationalize your anger. If they are "rebuilding" why bring in Alex Smith and Peyton Manning? lolu

 

[Hooper31]

Flynn is in the first year of a 3 year 26 million dollar contract.

That's it, I quit the Internet. The agents have won. Perception has trumped reality. Agents love to hear those big numbers get reported so they can convince prospective clients that they can get them big dollars. Fans buy into as well. Makes having conversations feel sort of pointless.Perception: Flynn is getting 26 million.Reality: Flynn is guaranteed 10 million.The big dollar amount means nothing. NOTHING. The guaranteed dollar amount is the only number that's worth considering.

 

[Jason Wood]

Look, this deal is a huge get for Seattle, any way you slice it. $10mm guaranteed is next to nothing for a guy expected to win your starting job. Even if the signing is a "disaster" and he ends up being outplayed by Tarvaris Jackson, he's not a financial albatross the Seahawks will have to work around. Great signing.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Flynn is in the first year of a 3 year 26 million dollar contract.

That's it, I quit the Internet. The agents have won. Perception has trumped reality. Agents love to hear those big numbers get reported so they can convince prospective clients that they can get them big dollars. Fans buy into as well. Makes having conversations feel sort of pointless.Perception: Flynn is getting 26 million.Reality: Flynn is guaranteed 10 million.The big dollar amount means nothing. NOTHING. The guaranteed dollar amount is the only number that's worth considering.

Considering Paul Allen is worth 13.5 billion....thats nothing. I believe its around $200 for someone worth $300,000.ETA: Good thing Miami is saving their pennies.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I have a lot of respect for Phil Simms and he chimed in on Matt Flynn's abilities recently.

Phil Simms gave an interview with former Seahawk QB Brock Hourd and Matt Flynn came up.

This interview came out the day after Peyton Manning was let go by the Colts so Peyton talk dominates the first half of the interview. Go to the 14 minute mark of the interview to get Simm's take on Flynn.

GO TO THE LINK because I tried transcribing as best as I could but it went by too fast for me to get everything.

The transcription below is missing huge chunks so go to the link and listen for Simms' take on Flynn.

Brutally honest and that is what I have come to expect from Phil Simms.

Again the firt half of the interview is primarily Peyton Manning chatter so skip to around the 14 minute mark to get to his take on Flynn.

Phil Simms isn't sold on Matt Flynn[/url

]... Look I've watched Matt Flynn... I.. I don't know.

I never looked at him and said, WOW, great feet. Wow, great arm.

I feel you need something special physically.

When I see Matt Flynn I don't see something that stands out.

His throwing has improved dramatically. I've seen his two starts and nothing physically stood out to me.

Look, nothing against him but if he keeps throwing the ball. His size? Nothing special. Nothing jumped out at me. Don't be telling me he's a great guy and great in the huddle. Its always about doing something physical.

What about Peyton Manning? He's nothing special physically. WRONG! Great feet. Great size. Yeah their are exceptions but if you are looking for a miracle then you are in trouble if you start doing that. If you are trying to find magic, you are going to get fired. I don't want to hear about intangibles.

The gist of Simms' take is that Matt Flynn is a system QB and brings nothing special physically about his game to the table. Simms feels that great QBs have special physical skills, either great feet or arm or size and he sees no great physical skills with Flynn.

Simms confesses that their are exceptions but that if you count on finding an exception you are seeking miracles and that gets you fired.

Excellent take on Flynn and a good barometer for looking at any QB prospect where you spy something physical that a QB prospect can bring to the table that sets him apart from the rest of the herd.

Never thought of Peyton Manning having great physical skills but he does have great size and he really does set his feet quickly and is able to move up in the pocket so he does have great feet.

Simms ir right in his evaluation and its a great insight and well worth the listen.



EDIT: Arrgh. trying to post the link again.

Go to this link then click on the audio tab and a player will pop-up and then click on the interview and you can move the cursor forward to around the 14 minute mark.

Hopefully this one will work.

My link

==============

OK, for some reason that link isn't working so one last try.

On the ESPN Seattle Brock Huard blog page, go to the following day's entry:

Updated Mar 8, 2012 - 7:25 pm

Ex-NFL quarterback Phil Simms isn't sold on Matt Flynn

==============

Brock Huard blog

If the above linik doesn't work to get to that blog page then just cut and paste Phil Simms isn't sold on Matt Flynn and the link they provide should take you right to the page.

Not to burn your post down, but I sat here listening to my Sirius a few years ago when Simms was asked about the Vikings drafting this guy named Tarvaris Jackson a few days ago Simms absolutely RAVED about TJAX. He couldn't say enough nice things about him. I like Simms and I thought "he should know". But in this case, I just mention it because I thought of it when I read your post and it makes me think maybe he isn't that cracked up at summing these guys up OR he just has a special place in his heart for TJAX.

Personally (and this is just my .02), I think this signing is like history repeating itself. Years ago, you had a guy in Holmgren coming from the Packers that was familiar with Hasselbeck. Brings him in and it works.

Now you have John Schneider, coming from the Packers and familiar with Flynn. there MSUT be something they like here. And, while it may be coincidence, the team with another guy familair with Flynn (Dolphins new HC), was interested in him too.

Its a short sample of work, but I've liked every time Flynn has played. He really has not looked weak in any area. I know it seems to be a common regurgitation about a "weak arm", but I've seen him throwing some 35-45 yarders that were big plays or TDs and I don't know where that comes from. I Mean, most teams almost automatically start from the 20 these days and if you can hit big plays that account for 60% of the rest fo the field, what else do you want? How many 60-80 yard TDs are there each year? This seems pretty ideal (seems like most "big" TDs that occur with frequency in the NFL are 30-50 yards; right in Flynn's range).

Well I do respect Simms. He does film study for every game he calls and he insists that the other guys in his reporting team come in and study with him. I respect his point of view and his take on Flynn which is pretty simple and straight forward.He says he looks for something special physically from a QB prospect if he is going to be signed or drafted to come in and be thee guy to lead a franchise.

He sees nothing special physically from Flynn.

He says that at some point in time during a game a QB will dig down and utilize unique physical skills that sets him apart from other guys who bring nothing special to the table and those skills can win tight games or be the little bit that wins a pressure packed point in the game that will inetitably decide the outcome.

I think that is a very good take by someone I respect. I can't or won't try to defend every take he's made but I do think Phil Simms makes a good point that can be used when evaluating any rookie QB prospect.

"What does a young QB prospect have physically that is unique and special that he can bring to the table to help us win games?"

 

[ImTheScientist]

Well I do respect Simms. He does film study for every game he calls and he insists that the other guys in his reporting team come in and study with him. I respect his point of view and his take on Flynn which is pretty simple and straight forward.

He says he looks for something special physically from a QB prospect if he is going to be signed or drafted to come in and be thee guy to lead a franchise.

He sees nothing special physically from Flynn.

He says that at some point in time during a game a QB will dig down and utilize unique physical skills that sets him apart from other guys who bring nothing special to the table and those skills can win tight games or be the little bit that wins a pressure packed point in the game that will inetitably decide the outcome.

I think that is a very good take by someone I respect. I can't or won't try to defend every take he's made but I do think Phil Simms makes a good point that can be used when evaluating any rookie QB prospect.

"What does a young QB prospect have physically that is unique and special that he can bring to the table to help us win games?"

Not true. Sims said in a followup to the show you heard he really likes him.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Well I do respect Simms. He does film study for every game he calls and he insists that the other guys in his reporting team come in and study with him. I respect his point of view and his take on Flynn which is pretty simple and straight forward.

He says he looks for something special physically from a QB prospect if he is going to be signed or drafted to come in and be thee guy to lead a franchise.

He sees nothing special physically from Flynn.

He says that at some point in time during a game a QB will dig down and utilize unique physical skills that sets him apart from other guys who bring nothing special to the table and those skills can win tight games or be the little bit that wins a pressure packed point in the game that will inetitably decide the outcome.

I think that is a very good take by someone I respect. I can't or won't try to defend every take he's made but I do think Phil Simms makes a good point that can be used when evaluating any rookie QB prospect.

"What does a young QB prospect have physically that is unique and special that he can bring to the table to help us win games?"

Not true. Sims said in a followup to the show you heard he really likes him.

I haven't heard the follow-up interview but in the interview I shared he never said he didn't LIKE Flynn or didn't LIKE him. His take was simply that he doesn't bring any unique physical skills to the table.I'm sure Simms can find things about Flynn's game that he likes but his unbiased original take was he lacked unique physical skills and that is what I took away from the interview I shared. I don't think Phil is now backtracking to say, um yup now he's got unique physical skills. I'm sure he likes certain parts about his game but Flynn still lacks unique physical skills and that is the take-away from the interview I shared.

 

[CapnJB]

Miami is the fat chick who can't get a date for the 2012 QB prom.

Not directed solely at you, Grid - but whats the chance Philbin (sp) knows Flynn is fools gold?

Probably just as likely as Flynn going to Miami and then saying the Dolphins have no idea what they are doing.

If Philbin knows he's no good, why are they flying him in?

Good question - doesn't mean the Dolphins were willing to pay that type of money for him. I have to think that if Philbin thought he was the goods, they would have made a better offer than Seattle.I think if Philbin thought he was the goods, they would have struck earlier.

I was listening to DC area sports radio this morning and they had Charlie Casserly on. When asked about Flynn going to Seattle he said that he knew for a fact that Philbin liked Flynn. You can catch the interview here in segment 8. The comments about Flynn come at 6:55

 

[smackdaddies]

Flynn is in the first year of a 3 year 26 million dollar contract.

That's it, I quit the Internet. The agents have won. Perception has trumped reality. Agents love to hear those big numbers get reported so they can convince prospective clients that they can get them big dollars. Fans buy into as well. Makes having conversations feel sort of pointless.Perception: Flynn is getting 26 million.

Reality: Flynn is guaranteed 10 million.

The big dollar amount means nothing. NOTHING. The guaranteed dollar amount is the only number that's worth considering.

The guaranteed dollar amount is the only number that's worth considering.Really?

 

[smackdaddies]

Look, this deal is a huge get for Seattle, any way you slice it. $10mm guaranteed is next to nothing for a guy expected to win your starting job. Even if the signing is a "disaster" and he ends up being outplayed by Tarvaris Jackson, he's not a financial albatross the Seahawks will have to work around. Great signing.

I agree - they are getting a qb who has performed in the nfl, in their type of system, who has been mentored by a top nfl qb coach and top nfl coach, for basically the cost of drafting a qb in the first 10 picks of the draft. It also demonstrated TT smarts by not franchising him and trying to trade him. Once again, TT proves he is smarter than the nattering nabobs of negativity trolling the internet

 

[smackdaddies]

Flynn is in the first year of a 3 year 26 million dollar contract.

That's it, I quit the Internet. The agents have won. Perception has trumped reality. Agents love to hear those big numbers get reported so they can convince prospective clients that they can get them big dollars. Fans buy into as well. Makes having conversations feel sort of pointless.Perception: Flynn is getting 26 million.

Reality: Flynn is guaranteed 10 million.

The big dollar amount means nothing. NOTHING. The guaranteed dollar amount is the only number that's worth considering.

Promise?

 

[fatness]

I doubt Philbin has much pull there. You just have to look at Tennessee to see what happens when ownership wants something done. Philbin is just the coach...and a 1st year one at that.

I agree.

 

[Todem]

If Philbin knows he's no good, why are they flying him in?

This is show business. Season tickets are dying, the fanbase is restless and flipping out down here (so annoying how dumb most football fans are)and ownership and the the front office have to save some face here and at least make the appearence they are trying to get things going in the right direction.They brought him in...did their due diligence and felt he was not the guy.Simple as that.I have no problem with not signing a career backup.Brady, Romo, Warner....those are diamonds in the rough and not common. We can go through tons of QB's who have failed.It's a crap shoot.

Wow...your logic makes no sense. Why would you not take a chance on a guy for a small contract? $10mil guaranteed is nothing for QBs. The bottom line for me is the Dolphins have done nothing but failed the last couple of years. See the coaching hires, coaching misses, player transaction fails......They brought him in and he choose Seattle. Why? He said the coaching staff and atmosphere was much better.

Um. Actually why would you try to sign a guy your not sold on? If they were sold on him they would have outbid Seattle. Miami is desperate for QB. Flynn is nothing special. Nothing jumps out that screams....wow he can fling it. Nothing. So why throw 10 Million on a guy who is not truly the answer.The Dolphins are rebuilding. they won't use that word.....but they are. I rather they stink this year and get a shot at a really good blue chip QB prospect in next years draft. They already have Matt Flynn....his name is Matt Moore. I don't think Flynn will be anything more than a very average NFL QB.

Um, they did try to sign him... they brought him in and offered him a contract. Matt preferred Seattle. Im not sure what you don't understand about that. Im glad you can try to rationalize your anger. If they are "rebuilding" why bring in Alex Smith and Peyton Manning? lolu

There is a fine line between Peyton Manning and Flynn and Alex Smith. The QB position can change your team overnight. You can't compete in todays NFL with an average QB.....you may have a good season....you may get lucky with a great defense and running game...but to win year in and year out in today's NFL....you need a franchise QB (for that matter for a long time this is a fact I think everyone can agree on that).Yeah they did offer him a contract (Flynn) but they low balled him by all accounts here. If they really wanted him...they would have overpaid.And again I am not angry Flynn did not choose us.....actually glad he didn't. I don't think he is any type of short or long term answer.Now Manning.....who would not want Peyton freaking Manning!I don't care what Matt preferred....I did not want him personally. I just think the Fins did not really want him either (yeah they made a an offer but nothing to suggest he is the man). That is my point.

 

[ImTheScientist]

There is a fine line between Peyton Manning and Flynn and Alex Smith. The QB position can change your team overnight. You can't comepte in todays NFL with an average QB.....you may have a good season....you may get lucky with a great defense and running game...but to win year in and year out in today's NFL....you need a franchise QB (for that matter for a long time this is a fact I think everyone can agree on that).

So I guess we can agree the Dolphins are not winning anytime soon.

 

[Todem]

There is a fine line between Peyton Manning and Flynn and Alex Smith. The QB position can change your team overnight. You can't comepte in todays NFL with an average QB.....you may have a good season....you may get lucky with a great defense and running game...but to win year in and year out in today's NFL....you need a franchise QB (for that matter for a long time this is a fact I think everyone can agree on that).

So I guess we can agree the Dolphins are not winning anytime soon.

Oh yeah. 100% in agreement.

 

[proninja]

Look, this deal is a huge get for Seattle, any way you slice it. $10mm guaranteed is next to nothing for a guy expected to win your starting job. Even if the signing is a "disaster" and he ends up being outplayed by Tarvaris Jackson, he's not a financial albatross the Seahawks will have to work around. Great signing.

I agree - they are getting a qb who has performed in the nfl, in their type of system, who has been mentored by a top nfl qb coach and top nfl coach, for basically the cost of drafting a qb in the first 10 picks of the draft. It also demonstrated TT smarts by not franchising him and trying to trade him. Once again, TT proves he is smarter than the nattering nabobs of negativity trolling the internet

Not quite the cost of a top 10 draft pick, because you don't lose the opportunity cost of that pick. Now the hawks can go get a DE.

 

[smackdaddies]

Look, this deal is a huge get for Seattle, any way you slice it. $10mm guaranteed is next to nothing for a guy expected to win your starting job. Even if the signing is a "disaster" and he ends up being outplayed by Tarvaris Jackson, he's not a financial albatross the Seahawks will have to work around. Great signing.

I agree - they are getting a qb who has performed in the nfl, in their type of system, who has been mentored by a top nfl qb coach and top nfl coach, for basically the cost of drafting a qb in the first 10 picks of the draft. It also demonstrated TT smarts by not franchising him and trying to trade him. Once again, TT proves he is smarter than the nattering nabobs of negativity trolling the internet

Not quite the cost of a top 10 draft pick, because you don't lose the opportunity cost of that pick. Now the hawks can go get a DE.

Good point -

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Flynn is in the first year of a 3 year 26 million dollar contract.

That's it, I quit the Internet. The agents have won. Perception has trumped reality. Agents love to hear those big numbers get reported so they can convince prospective clients that they can get them big dollars. Fans buy into as well. Makes having conversations feel sort of pointless.Perception: Flynn is getting 26 million.Reality: Flynn is guaranteed 10 million.The big dollar amount means nothing. NOTHING. The guaranteed dollar amount is the only number that's worth considering.

I read that the first two years equates to about 15-16 million.That's still about twice the amount for Jackson, per year.And if it 10 million guaranteed... then in this 1 year Flynn gets 10 million and this one year Jackson gets 4 million. Not even remotely equal.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I read that the first two years equates to about 15-16 million.That's still about twice the amount for Jackson, per year.And if it 10 million guaranteed... then in this 1 year Flynn gets 10 million and this one year Jackson gets 4 million. Not even remotely equal.

You read wrong.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I read that the first two years equates to about 15-16 million.

That's still about twice the amount for Jackson, per year.

And if it 10 million guaranteed... then in this 1 year Flynn gets 10 million and this one year Jackson gets 4 million. Not even remotely equal.

You read wrong.

No need to be an ass.

a three-year, $26 million deal that guarantees him $10 million

Flynn will get between $13.5 and $16 million in the first two years

and he has 5 million worth of incentives that can have just under 4 million of it earned in the first two years.http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/matt-flynn-agrees-terms-seahawks-three-deal-222051871.html

 

[Couch Potato]

I love that Pete Carroll is making it sound as though there really is some doubt who the starter will be, that there's going to be a bona fide QB controversy / competition. This just makes Flynn easier and cheaper to draft or trade for.

It's gonna be time for some Flynnsanity baby!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Flynnsanity

:X

 

[ImTheScientist]

I love that Pete Carroll is making it sound as though there really is some doubt who the starter will be, that there's going to be a bona fide QB controversy / competition. This just makes Flynn easier and cheaper to draft or trade for.It's gonna be time for some Flynnsanity baby!

In it to Flynn it.

 

[mad sweeney]

They didn't bring Tarvaris into Seattle to sit behind Whitehurst and they're not bringing Flynn in to sit behind Jackson. Whitehurst had a better preseason than Jackson last year and yet not only did Jackson start, but he was wearing the C. Who knows what went on in practice, but in the games there were major arguments for CW over TJ. Now they bring in another QB (this one the top FA QB, at least before Peyton was cut) for another short contract. The job is his to lose, despite what Carroll might say on the topic publicly. They'll get Flynn out there right away so they can judge his long term merits with the team, especially as Pete is now entering year 3, has built a very good to great D, a bruising running game and improving young receivers. The only knock is not having His QB. No way Flynn doesn't start week 1 and has a long leash.

All of this said, and yet Tarvaris is making $4M per year and Flynn is making $6M per year (based on average salaries). Looks like the Seahawks have a pretty equal investment in both.

TJ is in the last year of a two year 8 million dollar contract.Flynn is in the first year of a 3 year 26 million dollar contract.Doesn't appear equal at all.Especially when TJ was signed when they had no experienced QB on the roster... while Flynn was acquired with TJ sitting there.

TJ was acquired after they realized that their cheap guy with moderate potential they picked up (Whitehurst) wasn't going to work and they did the same thing this year, though with a guy who has a nearly infinitely bigger ceiling than TJ. ComPete can say all he wants to say about it being a competition, but it isn't. Like I said, they need to know sooner rather than later if Flynn is going to be the guy they hang their contract extensions on or not.

 

[mad sweeney]

Miami is the fat chick who can't get a date for the 2012 QB prom.

Not directed solely at you, Grid - but whats the chance Philbin (sp) knows Flynn is fools gold?

Probably just as likely as Flynn going to Miami and then saying the Dolphins have no idea what they are doing.

If Philbin knows he's no good, why are they flying him in?

This is show business. Season tickets are dying, the fanbase is restless and flipping out down here (so annoying how dumb most football fans are)and ownership and the the front office have to save some face here and at least make the appearence they are trying to get things going in the right direction.They brought him in...did their due diligence and felt he was not the guy.Simple as that.

Which is it? A true due diligence or a puppet show for the fan base? Can't really be both.

 

[Sabertooth]

I have muted expectations for Flynn to be honest. I could see him having a Ryan Fitzpatrick type of season. 3800 yards and 25 touchdowns sounds about right. He does have good weapons in Seattle with Rice and Williams there. Baldwin showed some ability last season as well. They have a good running game too. He's got plenty of talent around him. Much more than he'd have had in Miami. So I like this landing spot for Flynn.

All these people coming in here and spouting off without adding anything need to take a hike. Who gives a crap what Miami did or didn't do with Flynn? Due diligence or puppet show, who cares. He's not in Miami so just drop it. Is he Peyton Manning? No, he isn't. But can he be Chad Pennington or Ryan Fitzpatrick? Sure. Can he be better than them? I'd say the possibility is there but we are just going to have to wait and see.

 

[smackdaddies]

You give him good teammates, he can win the superbowl.

He is smart, makes good decisions, has a good enough arm, is a leader, a winner. But not a gun slinger.

More Bart Star than Brett Favre (and I am not saying he is either one, just more in Star's mold than Favres)

 

[ImTheScientist]

I have muted expectations for Flynn to be honest. I could see him having a Ryan Fitzpatrick type of season. 3800 yards and 25 touchdowns sounds about right. He does have good weapons in Seattle with Rice and Williams there. Baldwin showed some ability last season as well. They have a good running game too. He's got plenty of talent around him. Much more than he'd have had in Miami. So I like this landing spot for Flynn. All these people coming in here and spouting off without adding anything need to take a hike. Who gives a crap what Miami did or didn't do with Flynn? Due diligence or puppet show, who cares. He's not in Miami so just drop it. Is he Peyton Manning? No, he isn't. But can he be Chad Pennington or Ryan Fitzpatrick? Sure. Can he be better than them? I'd say the possibility is there but we are just going to have to wait and see.

They are just the bitter girl that got broke up with.

 

[sho nuff]

Tweet I read this morning

"is there anyone who hates former Packers QBs more than Tarvaris Jackson?"

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You give him good teammates, he can win the superbowl.

He may have one of the better supporting casts IMO.Sidney Rice 6-4, Zach Miller 6-5, Mike Williams 6-5, Marshawn Lynch, Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate...spent 4 early round draft picks on the OL in recent years.

 

[Jason Wood]

Flynn is going to slot as a clear fantasy QB2 in drafts, and he'll be one of a select group of those guys who COULD save your season. There's a lot of risk anytime a new QB takes the reins in a new city, but you have to love the idea of drafting Flynn as your backup without having to grab him too early.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I love that Pete Carroll is making it sound as though there really is some doubt who the starter will be, that there's going to be a bona fide QB controversy / competition. This just makes Flynn easier and cheaper to draft or trade for.

It's gonna be time for some Flynnsanity baby!

What is Carroll saying?Is Carroll saying that their is a full-blown QB competition?

Mike Holmgren was just interviewed by Seattle radio yesterday and the host noted he brought in Hasselbeck from Green Bay and now Seattle just brought in Flynn from GB so he was asked to comment and this is what he said when asked what he does when analyzing a QB. He kinda skipped over the analytical aspect but gave a nice insight as to what to do once you get the guy that you want. He says it is important that you make a commitment to build trust and make it work, nice insight.

Here's the link to the transcript:

Mike Holmgren Seattle radio interview

DM: You brought Matt here and obviously you had the luxury of drafting him and watching him work out in Green Bay. John Snyder and Pete Carroll didn’t have that luxury. They did have the luxury of two games of actual game time… How about you? Was that just not enough for you to see of Matt Flynn and what do you need when analyzing a quarterbackk?

MH: The thing is that Matt (Hasselbeck) didn’t get to play a lot in regular season games, but we did have him for a full season and we did draft him. We knew him as well as you could know any player in that position, kinda learning and following in Brett’s (Favre) footsteps. But anyone who makes a decision like that one, you’re not always going to get, in fact, rarely do you get it spelled out where like when Peyton Manning goes to Denver, everyone in the world knows about Peyton Manning. Rarely do you get that opportunity. Sometimes you get into these situations where you feel you need a quarterback, that you just evaluate it the best way that you can, not unlike the draft, and then you pull the trigger. And then you make it work. I think the biggest thing that any team – not speaking specifically of Seattle now or any particular player – but any team, and you’ve heard me say this before. Once you decide that he’s your guy – once you decide that that’s the direction you want to go – then it’s pretty important that you commit. You say, “O.K we’re going to get through the tough stuff together. We know there’s going to be some learning curve and some struggles. But that’s O.K. If you believe in the person, and then that gives that guy confidence that he believes in you and you start developing the trust you need.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I love that Pete Carroll is making it sound as though there really is some doubt who the starter will be, that there's going to be a bona fide QB controversy / competition. This just makes Flynn easier and cheaper to draft or trade for.It's gonna be time for some Flynnsanity baby!

What is Carroll saying?Is Carroll saying that their is a full-blown QB competition?

Carroll says that for every position. The only time he didn't is when they signed Tjax and that was really due to clipboard jesus sucking and the fact they had a short pre-season to work things out with the new OC.

 

[smackdaddies]

Flynn is going to slot as a clear fantasy QB2 in drafts, and he'll be one of a select group of those guys who COULD save your season. There's a lot of risk anytime a new QB takes the reins in a new city, but you have to love the idea of drafting Flynn as your backup without having to grab him too early.

he could be a great spot starter at worst.Home: Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers, St. Louis Rams, Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings, Dallas Cowboys, New England Patriots, New York Jets

Away: Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers, St. Louis Rams, Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, Carolina Panthers, Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins

By my count, that is 8 games at a minimum where he could rack 3 passing tds.

edit - looked at the stats - Bears and Lions let people throw also, and the Cards let in a lot of yards if not points. Flynn could have a hellofagoodyear.

 

[smackdaddies]

Depending on the actual dates, Flynn could be a monster playoff player for your team. Could you imagine if he goes against the Packers, Buffalo, Vikings for weeks 14, 15, 16?

Wow -

 

[Tau837]

He may have one of the better supporting casts IMO.Sidney Rice 6-4, Zach Miller 6-5, Mike Williams 6-5, Marshawn Lynch, Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate...spent 4 early round draft picks on the OL in recent years.

Flynn is going to slot as a clear fantasy QB2 in drafts, and he'll be one of a select group of those guys who COULD save your season. There's a lot of risk anytime a new QB takes the reins in a new city, but you have to love the idea of drafting Flynn as your backup without having to grab him too early.

 

[proninja]

I haven't heard the follow-up interview but in the interview I shared he never said he didn't LIKE Flynn or didn't LIKE him. His take was simply that he doesn't bring any unique physical skills to the table.I'm sure Simms can find things about Flynn's game that he likes but his unbiased original take was he lacked unique physical skills and that is what I took away from the interview I shared. I don't think Phil is now backtracking to say, um yup now he's got unique physical skills. I'm sure he likes certain parts about his game but Flynn still lacks unique physical skills and that is the take-away from the interview I shared.

I don't understand what the big deal is if he doesn't have any unique physical skills. Did Joe Montana? Tom Brady? Drew Brees? Peyton Manning? None of those guys are what you'd call physically unique, but they've done pretty well for themselves.

 

[biju]

I haven't heard the follow-up interview but in the interview I shared he never said he didn't LIKE Flynn or didn't LIKE him. His take was simply that he doesn't bring any unique physical skills to the table.I'm sure Simms can find things about Flynn's game that he likes but his unbiased original take was he lacked unique physical skills and that is what I took away from the interview I shared. I don't think Phil is now backtracking to say, um yup now he's got unique physical skills. I'm sure he likes certain parts about his game but Flynn still lacks unique physical skills and that is the take-away from the interview I shared.

I don't understand what the big deal is if he doesn't have any unique physical skills. Did Joe Montana? Tom Brady? Drew Brees? Peyton Manning? None of those guys are what you'd call physically unique, but they've done pretty well for themselves.

But JaCarcass Russell was a specimen. I'm sure Simms can agree on that one...

 

[Faust]

Seahawks banking that Flynn proves more legit than Whitehurst

By Clark Judge | CBSSports.com Senior NFL Columnist

PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Matt Flynn will be the next starting quarterback in Seattle, and maybe he makes them a playoff team again and maybe he doesn't. All I know is that the Seahawks haven't had a great track record in the quarterback department lately, so let's cut to the obvious question: What makes the Seahawks so sure Matt Flynn isn't the next Charlie Whitehurst?

Whitehurst was the first quarterback Pete Carroll acquired after assuming the head-coaching job two years ago, and he was a major disappointment -- fizzling so badly that the club let him walk this offseason, with Whitehurst re-joining San Diego, the club that traded him to Seattle.

Whitehurst had virtually no resume, other than preseason games, when Seattle dealt for him. Flynn does, but his pro background isn't extensive. He started twice for Green Bay, winning once -- an impressive 480-yard, six-touchdown performance in last year's regular-season finale vs. Detroit. For that reason, some consider him a gamble. Carroll doesn't, and the reason is his general manager.

That would be John Schneider, who joined Carroll after working in Green Bay. He was there when the Packers drafted Flynn, and he was there to watch him train, work out and play in preseason games. Basically, he knows the guy and knows what he can do. So what the Seahawks didn't ... or couldn't ... find on videotape he could supply for them.

And he sold them on their new quarterback as much as Flynn sold himself.

"There's not a big body of work to go from," said Carroll at Wednesday's owners' meetings, "so we had to read into it. We thought that because of John's background we knew the really important issues, like work ethic, mentality, character and competitiveness. Those things we had in hand, and those things are harder to evaluate sometimes.

"I think the gamble, the uncertainties, what you don't know, we had a good sense of it. We banked on that. John knows players, and he understands what he's looking for. And he compared the intangibles (of Flynn) to Aaron (Rodgers)."

Nevertheless, there's a risk here, and Carroll understands it. But he also understands that Flynn comes from an offense that is similar to what he will run in Seattle, and he understands that Flynn comes from a background where he quarterbacked one of the best teams in college football and where he served under one of the best quarterbacks in the pro game. Most important, he understands that Flynn is an improvement on last year's starter, Tarvaris Jackson.

Jackson was the Seahawks' free-agent acquisition a year ago, and while he didn't play all that badly in 2011, he wasn't a difference maker. He was simply a bridge to the next guy, who happens to be Flynn. Jackson was the league's 21st-ranked passer, with nearly as many interceptions (13) as touchdowns (14), and the Seahawks were the league's 22nd-ranked passing attack. It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that those numbers must improve for Seattle to gain on the rest of the NFC West.

According to Carroll, Jackson is still the starter -- with training camp an "open competition" for him and Flynn. But whom are we kidding here: You don't go out and spend $26 million on a free agent to sit him on the bench.

"He's not going to be handed the keys to the kingdom," said Carroll. "It's Tarvaris' job right now, and then here comes Matt. After saying that, it's my job to put (Flynn) in position to show what he can do."

What he can do is resuscitate an organization that hasn't had a winning season since 2007 when the Seahawks and Matt Hasselbeck were the best team in the NFC West, winning their fourth straight division title. They're not the best now, but they could be. They have a promising young defense, a healthy offensive line, a solid running back and maybe, just maybe, a quarterback who can back off defenders.

That's if Matt Flynn is not Charlie Whitehurst.

"I think the familiarity and continuity are much different," said Carroll. "And the background knowledge from the inside out is maybe what makes us more enthused because John knew (Flynn) so well. We knew Charlie from the outside and from his workouts, but John did have insights (on Flynn). We just have more familiarity and a better sense of it."

Good. Because if Seattle's Matt Flynn is as good as Green Bay's Matt Flynn, the Seahawks just solved a lingering problem.

 

[mlball77]

FWIW...

(KFFL) Miami Dolphins head coach Joe Philbin said the team made an aggressive push to sign Seattle Seahawks QB Matt Flynn while he was a free agent. "I think we made an aggressive push. We got him in here relatively quickly," Philbin said. "Again, we had a great meeting. Matt (Flynn) and I had some conversations, a number of conversations prior to his arrival to Miami. We had some subsequent ones after. He'd probably be able to give you better answer as to why he chose to go elsewhere. All I know is when we were together the visit was excellent. I thought he got along very well with our offensive staff."

I'm still a bit on the fence with Flynn as a dynasty prospect. Right now, I am loosely putting him in the QB2 range. I see some of the pros for Flynn as:

[*]Very effective when he has played

[*]Philbin says MIA aggressively went after Flynn

[*]Aaron Rodgers has been vocal in support of Flynn

[*]SEA has some solid weapons on O (better than MIA with no Marshall, imo)

[*]Flynn has limited competition to start in SEA

[*]Accurate passer with solid intangibles

I see some of the cons for Flynn as:

[*]A very small sample size of his play

[*]Questionable arm strength

[*]He wasn't paid huge dollars in a league that often breaks the bank for QBs

[*]The coaching staff isn't declaring him the starter right out of the gate (although IIRC, Carroll makes all positions an "open competition," even if they really aren't)