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sholditch
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He has looked solid but unspectacular. I think he will be able to get about 3.7 ypc behind that line, and should see about 250 carries. That comes to about 925 yards rushing. Due to the line and general ineffectiveness of the offense (and what I believe will once again be a good but not great defense) he will be limited and a shaky start all year. I don't see him having enough talent to shine in such a bad situation.
Not quite what I wanted to hear but maybe things improve. I'm weak at RB depth and all I got for back ups are Forte and Mendenhall, thanks.
LenDale White was a top 15 RB with 1100 yards and 7 TDs. LenDale's numbers may drop a bit this year, but if Forte put up those kind of numbers his owners should be doing back flips.
sholditch
Footballguy
I meant this year, and I don't expect him to approach those numbers. Titans anticipate 50-50 share in backfield Titans coach Jeff Fisher anticipates a near even split in touches between starter LenDale White and first-round pick Chris Johnson."I would assume it would be close to 50-50, maybe 60-40," he said. "We’re going to use them both depending on the game plans and it makes sense to take advantage of both of their abilities. I think we’ll have a better gauge once we get to the middle part of the season." The Titans could begin the year using White more, but eventually make it an even timeshare with Johnson. Aug. 27 - 2:06 am et
CentralPA
Footballguy
I'd be jumping through rings of fire if he puts up numbers like that.
CentralPA
Footballguy
I wouldn't mind this. Mendehall may end up taking over for Parker but that is doubtful. I have Grant and Gore starting and I am almost banking on one of the getting hurt or not living up to projections (i.e. Grant). Thanks for the insight guys.
North
Footballguy
I actually see Kevin Jones becoming the starter here by mid season if he can stay healthy. If he does become he starter I still expect a 60/40 share of the carries. Jones gives this weak offense and QB the ability to throw dump off passes as he is a better receiver out of the back field. Just my opinion, don't hate!
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
You must be a KJ owner.I woldnt want to count on Forte as a starter, but he should make an OK #3 RB. 1000 yards rushing might be pushing it, but with the lack of great WR options, he could catch enough passes to give him borderline #2 RB upside.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I don't think it is a stretch at all to think that Kevin Jones has a chance to take a big chunk of work from Matt Forte, if he is healthy (huge qualifier, I know). Matt Forte strikes me as a solid RB, pretty decent at everything but unexceptional at anything. Kevin Jones has twice now (late 2004, early 2006) played at a pretty elite level for extended stretches. If Kevin Jones is close to 100% at any point during the season, he will be on the field.
armchair_qb
Footballguy
The few games I watched this preseason, just screams an above average back. To be honest he actually reminded me a little of Cedric Benson. I hope I am dead wrong but it could be the line, but the 3rd preseason game I watched nothing excited me about him.
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RudeDog
Footballguy
Bears fan here. I've watched all the preseason games and the thing that impresses me about Forte is he seems to always get positive yardage. Even if the line is completely jammed up he has a nose to wiggle through and gain 3 yards where the other Bears backs would probably be dropped for 0 or minus yards.
If the OL gets a little better he can provide some decent numbers. He does have talent other than raw measurables.
If the OL gets a little better he can provide some decent numbers. He does have talent other than raw measurables.
sholditch
Footballguy
That's what I first thought when I heard the Bears were drafting him. Physically, they are very similar, which is actually a pretty big compliment to Forte given that Cedric should have been a great back given his physical tools. The difference is mentality. Cedric was a me-first entitlement whiner. Forte is a hard worker with a good head on his shoulders. The way they approach the opportunity presented to them is where the huge gulf between the two resides.
Max Power
Footballguy
The Oline is a huge mess. I'm not sure any back can have sucess running back there. Although the Bears still play Detroit twice a year
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I don't know if I would go as far as to compare him to Benson, but color me unimpressed with him thus far. I think a healthy Kevin Jones >>>> Forte.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
That was one of the first things I thought when watching him too
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
As soon as Kevin Jones is healthy Forte is in a RBBC, at best. Jones is a better back.
I agree. From what I've seen of Forte this preseason, he seems just like another JJ Arrington. Some of it may have to do with that line, but I didn't seen anything from him that screams 3 down back. Bears would've been better off with Ray Rice or taken Chris Johnson earlier. I'm beginning to think that Benson's struggles last year were not all his fault. That line is atrocious.
Birdie048
Footballguy
While I agree, can either of them show anything with the Chicago offense and it's porous OL & lame QB/WR group? Neither Forte or KJ will be a RB2 caliber fantasy value until they fix the overall offensive line problems. Marginal bye week filler/RB3 until the line solidifies or steps up a whole level of play.Forte had trouble early preseason picking up blocks, but it looks better now (not alot, but better).Forte ran hard, but had no room to get to open space.I would rather have KJ over Forte.KJ is the better back when 100% healthy (big if there)Forte will have significant trouble behind that line (as any rookie would)It will become RBBC as KJ returns to playing conditionForte will wear down quicker (longer season)KJ will get more Red Zone touchesKJ is the better receiver
I have to disagree with the folks who have been unimpressed with Forte. In fact, I think he's got the perfect mentality for being the lead back in an offense thats not going to maul opponents at the line of scrimmage or stretch defenses with a robust passing game. Here's what I've seen:- Top notch receiver out of the backfield who can make the first tackler miss on screens and dumpoffs- Efficient runner who doesn't waste energy dancing or trying to break runs outside- Instinctive getting small through the hole and rubbing off of contact- almost ALWAYS gets yards after contact, whether its falling forward, deflecting off of hits, or dragging tacklersForte is not a speed back, nor is a highlight reel back. He's a lunchpail guy who is going grind out yards and keep this offense in 2nd and 6/7, 3rd and 4, even when the O line isnt getting a push. I would say Forte is approximately a bigger Chester Taylor, or a little more physical Ladell Betts. Not a rousing endorsement, but with the holes on this team, I don't expect them to invest a lot of money or a high pick at RB in the next few years - I expect Forte to be the starting back in Chicago for at least the 2-3 years.
Enraged Nerfball
Footballguy
The two backs that come to mind when I see Forte is Eddie George and Marcus Allen. While I have no illusions he will match their careers I see traits and attributes of both in him. Nothing spectacular (like George) but before you know it he has fallen forward for a 5 yd gain. He also has a bit of slashing and elusiveness in him (like Allen), but I don't know if he has Allen's top end speed. Haven't really seen him open it up yet. As far as Kevin Jones I really see no legit. competition here. KJ has accumulated enough NFL history to make me wary of his injury history going forward. In addition didn't the Lions trade for Tater Bell because KJ had some problems getting the job done? Not a ringing endorsement. Give me a solid injury free year from KJ before I even begin to see him as a starting RB in the NFL.
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Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
The Lions traded for Bell only because Jones was not certain to play early in the year. It had nothing to do with how he played.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
Come on now, JJ Arrington? Forte has been impressive, imo... he simply has the ability to make defenders miss that is hard to describe. Not in the jump around in the backfield sense, ala Thomas Jones, but the way he absorbs/avoids would be tacklers. I think it's fairly easy to tell when a RB has the "it" that is needed to produce in the NFL, and Forte simply has the look/skills necessary. Compared to Rashaan Salaam, Curtis Enis, Anthony Thomas, James Allen, and Cedric Benson... Forte is clearly a breath of fresh air. Angelo has struck out more often than not on the offensive side of the ball, but I think he found a gem this past April.
Of course, he could fall on his face when the pressure is on, and his production will certainly not be on par with his talent level due to the debacle known as the rest of the Bears offense. I hope I'm wrong, but Forte is a pick for the 2009-2012 seasons...
Of course, he could fall on his face when the pressure is on, and his production will certainly not be on par with his talent level due to the debacle known as the rest of the Bears offense. I hope I'm wrong, but Forte is a pick for the 2009-2012 seasons...
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RudeDog
Footballguy
I agree Sig, this is basically what I said earlier.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Um, my scoring system doesn't reward efficient running. If you are saying he will take a 1 yard gain rather than risk a stuff by dancing and trying to spring a longer run - that may have some merit a' la young Rudi Johnson.But unless he runs on batteries, I'm not sure that "not wasting energy" is much of a positive.I think he's purely at the mercy of his O-line. In that regard, I think a healthy K.Jones can do more than Forte with less.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
If it were so easy, I don't think guys like Rashaan Salaam, Curtis Enis, Anthony Thomas, James Allen, and Cedric Benson would have been drafted so early.BoulderBob said:
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
That's not a bad comparison, but if you want match up builds as well as talent level I think he's most similar to DeShaun Foster, Chris Brown and Lamar Gordon. Not horrible, will probably have a decent NFL career, but better suited as a backup.
This sounds like you just described Eddie George, is that a similar comparison at all?
BoulderBob
Footballguy
Anthony Thomas was a plodder without vision, Forte is neither...no worries mate! I hate using Madden terms, but Forte would have a high "awareness" rating if you could quantify such a thing. He has the "shiftyness" that Thomas lacked and that all good RB's need. Injury(torn acl in the past) and the rest of the Bears offense(outside of the TE position, no explanation necessary) are my only (fantasy) concerns with this RB.
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Enraged Nerfball
Footballguy
Which was part of my larger point. Regardless of whatever talent he may have his injuries have prevented him from producing. After Detroit traded for Bell I recall even in those moments he was healthy he had a hard time distinguishing himself from Bell. Could be wrong about that.Anthony Borbely said:
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Think he's looked solid for a rook this preseason. I'd expect around 225 carries. (I think 3.8 ypc would be a success). Give Jones 100 carries. I'm fine going into the season with these 2 guys. It's the guys around them -- QB/WR/line -- that I'm really worried about.
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Off Topic: I'm actually quite worried about our defense. (I guess because I have a level of expectations going into the season with that side of the ball & if they can't stop anyone, the run game's going to be non-existant and game manager Kyle is going to be in trouble).
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Off Topic: I'm actually quite worried about our defense. (I guess because I have a level of expectations going into the season with that side of the ball & if they can't stop anyone, the run game's going to be non-existant and game manager Kyle is going to be in trouble).
Righetti
Footballguy
Interesting.. Going to see if I can catch some highlights on YouTube
Righetti
Footballguy
college highlights
not exactly sure about the level of competition for most of these highlights but he shows some nice burst, especially around the edge on these highlights
not exactly sure about the level of competition for most of these highlights but he shows some nice burst, especially around the edge on these highlights
Koya
Footballguy
Are we talking 12+ team leagues here? Who else are you looking at for RB#3 and how are they in such a better position than Forte?The guy looks to have a chance for a lot of carries on a team that will often suck. But is that worse than splitting carries, including not getting goaline looks on a team whose offense will be ok?
Who is likely out there at RB#3 that you see as so much better than Forte?
FairWarning
Footballguy
Better question is "How effective will he be on a team that plays no defense"?
WarRedbirds
Footballguy
Looking pretty solid so far...
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I've got 50 cents for anyone who can link to a listed weight of 222 for Forte. NBC had him there, but everything I find anywhere is 216.
timschochet
Footballguy
first impression- it already looks like he's going to get a lot of carries this year.
I have him on my bench this week- my starters are Barber and Turner (so I'm pretty happy) and my flex is McFadden. But now I'm thinking that unless McFadden is a big star tommorow night, I might have to go Forte in the flex for the future.
I have him on my bench this week- my starters are Barber and Turner (so I'm pretty happy) and my flex is McFadden. But now I'm thinking that unless McFadden is a big star tommorow night, I might have to go Forte in the flex for the future.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Doesnt matter, he has a low BMI, he should not succeed.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
BMI is relevant, yes. But only in conjunction with weight. And for Forte the difference between gaining five pounds to 222 from his combine weight of 217, or losing a pound to 216 is pretty big.
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Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I was being sarcastic. I do not think BMI has anything to do with a players success.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I'll leave it for EBF to argue with you, but I disagree.I think you can do something that approximates a RB's "true weight" in the same way that the NBA uses things other than height to calculate "true height." And one of those things is BMI.
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EugeneChung
Footballguy
Does he look good or is the Colts run D just that bad? That's my question.
