LivingTheDream
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he looks pretty money. making some nice cuts out there and he's got some burst.
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EBF
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If I owned Forte in any of my dynasty leagues I would be looking to sell high after tonight. I don't think he's a special talent and I think the Bears are going to struggle on offense this year, but after this game people will be willing to buy the idea that he's the next great back. I would capitalize on that while you can.
sparkky
Footballguy
from my dynasty perspective, I rarely give up on a guy after one game. he's shown me enough that with some qb and Oline improvements he could be a very serviceable rb#2, low rb#1 caliber player. seems to have shown real good footwork and decent vision and understanding of the line blocking scheme. after one "decent" game his value isn't high enough yet to get me to part with him. IMHO
Football Jones
Footballguy
The thing with Forte is you'll likely need to have some patience. That said, most people who drafted him in dynasty leagues knew that. I predicted he'd have more touches than any rookie RB this season, which will help him be at least a decent FF back this season, but just imagine what he could do behind TEN's line (just as a parallel to CJ) &/or if he had more help from the other skill positions. The injury to Chris Williams hurt, but their OL will get better. They'll also acquire some better skill players (sooner or later). When Forte gets more help, look out.
Dynasty is about the long-haul & I believe Forte has an excellent future. The very first thing I noticed when I saw him at Tulane was the quick feet Madden mentioned. He also has an underrated burst & better speed than advertised. When you consider all those things as well as him being an outstanding receiver, it's a package you shouldn't ignore, IMO. And the bonus is he's a good blocker (especially for a young RB).
Dynasty is about the long-haul & I believe Forte has an excellent future. The very first thing I noticed when I saw him at Tulane was the quick feet Madden mentioned. He also has an underrated burst & better speed than advertised. When you consider all those things as well as him being an outstanding receiver, it's a package you shouldn't ignore, IMO. And the bonus is he's a good blocker (especially for a young RB).
Read what you wrote. 216 is bad...but 222 is good? Seriously dude....any man in that weight range will vary 4-8 pounds in a given week, depending when he's eaten, had a dump, how hydrated he is, etc. This is why I just can't buy into the BMI stuff.Seriously...I've lost 3 pounds in ten minutes before (I go about 245)
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
He has looked pretty friggin good tonight, great feet, good speed and runs with good power. Chicagos offense has not looked as bad as i thought they would either. Might just be the Colts D, but i dont think they are that bad with Sanders in the lineup. What do you think you could get for him that somebody would consider?
EBF
Footballguy
He's not horrible, but it takes a pretty special back to last as a starter in the NFL. Look at the current pro backs who have been starting for at least two consecutive seasons: LaDainian TomlinsonLarry JohnsonFrank GoreSteven JacksonEdgerrin JamesClinton PortisFred TaylorWillie ParkerJamal LewisWillis McGaheeThomas JonesA dose of realism.Good is not good enough in the NFL. The NFL is full of "good" backs. Ladell Betts is a good back. Sammy Morris is a good back. Mewelde Moore is a good back. Michael Bennett is a good back. There are guys like this rotting on the benches of NFL teams. They're capable of putting up respectable stats when given the opportunity, but they aren't dynamic enough to lock down a starting position. The reason I'm so hard on rookie backs is because I'm only looking for guys who are going to make the above list someday. In order to make that list, players have to perform at a very high level. They have to ward off inevitable challenges from draft picks and free agents. Over 300 new players enter the NFL each year looking for a job. Only the very best survive.I don't hate Matt Forte. If you go waaay back and read some of my early posts on him, you'll actually see that I was touting him as a legit draft prospect before he was widely considered a first day prospect. However, is there any reason to believe he's better than Chris Brown, Michael Bennett, Anthony Thomas, DeShaun Foster and Justin Fargas? I don't see one.After a nationally televised 100 yard game against a good team, you might find a buyer willing to overpay to play those odds.
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Burning Sensation
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boubucarow
Footballguy
I'd compare him to Thomas Jones with a little bit of extra pounding size.
EBF...you're one of the most respected posters in here...but that list is terrible. Several notable names are missing from your list for one (how about Westbrook?)For another, most in here are still showing some caution on Forte, but the eyes don't lie. He hasn't run free through gaping holes. On many occasions, he's made the hole. He's showed terrific vision and better agility then I thought he had. He's shown quickness.Now, maybe it is just one game...but if I owned him (I don't)...it would take a pretty stout offer to tempt me to part with him after today!
EBF
Footballguy
Trade him for the most value you can get. What that is depends on your league.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Fact is it would take something people would not be willing to part with for me to give him up. I think he has just as good a chance as any rookie RB not named Mcfadden or Stewart to have a very good career, plus he has immediate value.EBF said:
Football Jones
Footballguy
Redraft, maybe. Dynasty? Disagree big-time. In dynasty leagues, the best offer you'll likely get is for a player who may give you slightly better production this year, but with nowhere near the ceiling Forte has. Not the type of deal I'd be looking for if I did decide to move him.EBF said:
EBF
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This is exactly why I recommend selling with a player like this unless you're 100% convinced he's legit. The FF community always gives young players the benefit of the doubt. I've seen this reaction before with guys like Julius Jones, Chris Brown, Tatum Bell, and Quentin Griffin. Any young player who flashes talent will generate excitement from the FF community. The thing is, virtually any RB on an NFL roster could step in and look halfway decent. We've seen countless journeymen do just that (Betts, Dayne, Suggs, Bennett, Droughns). Only the elite players keep the job and sustain good production over multiple seasons. There's a chance that Forte is the real deal. However, there's also a chance that he'll be backing up Beanie Wells in 2009. How you want to play those odds is up to you. All I'm saying is that I'd be looking to sell him if I could find someone willing to overpay. The perceived value for young backs is often greater than the actual value. Relatively few of these guys will prove to be the real deal over the long haul.
TitusIII
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He can break tackles, he has the speed to out-run the defense, and he has the vision/awareness/feet that you can't teach. Not a hall of fame talent by any stretch, but the guy is going to produce if his surrounding talent/past knee injury doesn't stop him. Sell high if you can, but I wouldn't sell a Chicago RB that has talent.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
I'm sure Cedric Benson is sitting in a boat ####faced somewhere saying to anyone that will listen:'NOW THE DECIDE TO BLOCK AGAIN. Why were they only blocking for TJ in 2006 and now again in 2008? Do they not remember I was the 4th overall pick?!?!'
All kidding aside, Forte exceeded expectations 2nite. Who knows what holds long term, the kid has tremendous balance, vision and feet. I worry more for what is around him on offense than I do him.
All kidding aside, Forte exceeded expectations 2nite. Who knows what holds long term, the kid has tremendous balance, vision and feet. I worry more for what is around him on offense than I do him.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
This kid can play and breaking a 50yarder for TD everyone should stand up and take notice.
He's cracked the top 20 and I think he may crack the top 15 rbs soon.
He's cracked the top 20 and I think he may crack the top 15 rbs soon.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Just throwing some names out here for dynasty purposes:Holmes?Cotchery?Marshall?Bowe?Jennings?Welker?Boldin?I don't see many possibilities of Forte really being moved for a RB straight up and I don't think the WR value gets any greater than this. I'm not sure you could even haul all these guys. Depends on the circumstances I suppose.
CletiusMaximus
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I have Brady and Young as my QB's and put out feelers for Forte last night - was just offered Philip Rivers straight up. I think there's a good chance Forte's value will never be higher. That said, I would probably be holding him if not for the injuries at QB yesterday.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
I just can't believe someone would watch last nights game and say "I gotta trade this kid now!"
He will only get better and he will get a ton of carries. Sounds good to me.
He will only get better and he will get a ton of carries. Sounds good to me.
grabnmcbutt
Footballguy
He does play the Lions Twice!
ckalltheway
Footballguy
The thing I liked about Forte is that he ran with a lot of confidence and vision. Converted a lot of 3rd and shorts and I think his 50 yarder fired up a whole offense that was looking kind of listless at the time.
I won't say superstar. But he won't be a bust either. He plays the game very smart.
I won't say superstar. But he won't be a bust either. He plays the game very smart.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Forte should be around 1475 yards rushing, 350 recieving, and 12 total TD's if he stays healthy.
This kid is legit, and the Bears RUN THE BALL!
You should have heard the local sports radio today and all the players interviewed about Forte. They love this guy. They say he's confident, but not a hint of cocky. He's pleasureable. The linemen LOVE him. Lovey LOVES him. He WILL average 22 carries a game, and I give him a 4.2 YPC for the year. He is also their best goal line option.
I am a Chicago Homer though, so take it for what it's worth!
This kid is legit, and the Bears RUN THE BALL!
You should have heard the local sports radio today and all the players interviewed about Forte. They love this guy. They say he's confident, but not a hint of cocky. He's pleasureable. The linemen LOVE him. Lovey LOVES him. He WILL average 22 carries a game, and I give him a 4.2 YPC for the year. He is also their best goal line option.
I am a Chicago Homer though, so take it for what it's worth!
None_More_Black
Footballguy
Certainly did not sound like a rookie in his interview after the game. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. Solid #2 RB.
He'll probably be more durable then Brown, which is what Brown's issue is. Running the ball really isn't the problem for him. Forte seems to get better pad level then Brown though, he took big shots even in college with his running style.
Fred Taylor isn't a really good comparison. Marshawn Lynch runs like a young Fred Taylor more then Forte does.
Fred Taylor isn't a really good comparison. Marshawn Lynch runs like a young Fred Taylor more then Forte does.
az_prof
Footballguy
I think Anthony Thomas, the old A-Train, is the best analogy, and like Thomas he may very well be the most successful of the rookie backs, THIS year. I would keep in redraft as you probably got him for a reasonable pick; but in dynasty, I would trade him because I agree with EBF that I see a good, not a great back.
TrueBeliever85
Footballguy
I thought he looked like a pre-busted-up Deuce McAllister. Tall... but quick and patient.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I like his quick shifty feet. He picks his way towards the line, looking for a crease, and then makes a decisive move - those are veteran type instincts, something rarely seen in a rookie. Always drives forward, doesn't waste energy going east-west or dancing too much. Reminds me of Ricky Waters.
I don't know if he has the physical talent to take it to an elite level, but with the skill set he has now he will be a very effective pro. Throw in good hands and a decent blocker for a rookie, you have the makings of a very solid if unspectacular pro.
I don't know if he has the physical talent to take it to an elite level, but with the skill set he has now he will be a very effective pro. Throw in good hands and a decent blocker for a rookie, you have the makings of a very solid if unspectacular pro.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I'm glad I actually got to see this kid with my own eyes instead of having to rely on you guys to tell me how good he is.
He's good....REAL good. In that offense on that team, he's easily a startable RB2 all season. That was the Colts, WITH the great Bob Sanders (a very good defense in case you don't remember). Forte will have some rookie ups and downs, but unless he gets hurt, he's a legit player in this league. I would buy him all day in a dynasty league for the right price, which is fairly high. I'd give up a good young WR (like Jennings) or QB (like Rivers) for him in a second.
He's good....REAL good. In that offense on that team, he's easily a startable RB2 all season. That was the Colts, WITH the great Bob Sanders (a very good defense in case you don't remember). Forte will have some rookie ups and downs, but unless he gets hurt, he's a legit player in this league. I would buy him all day in a dynasty league for the right price, which is fairly high. I'd give up a good young WR (like Jennings) or QB (like Rivers) for him in a second.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I couldn't agree more with that sentence. That is a great general philosophy, not just for Forte.JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Just remember that the NFL season is longer and more physically taxing than a college season. I liked what I saw, but I temper my excitement with some caution about projecting his first performance out over the whole season.
I think he's got potential to be a solid lower RB1/upper RB2 for a few years in the NFL so I'd keep him in a dynasty system. In a redraft I can see parting with him early on if the price is right.
I think he's got potential to be a solid lower RB1/upper RB2 for a few years in the NFL so I'd keep him in a dynasty system. In a redraft I can see parting with him early on if the price is right.
The Bears OL is what made Forte, IMO. He looked very good, but he had plenty of room to work with. If they can continue at that pace through the year, I expect he will be a solid fantasy RB this year.
That said, as much as I disliked Benson the major reason why he was so horrible last year is because the line blocked so pathetically.
So will they (the OL) keep it up or revert back to the way they played last year. If you think the former, hang on to Forte or try to get him. As a Bears fan, I am concerned.
That said, as much as I disliked Benson the major reason why he was so horrible last year is because the line blocked so pathetically.
So will they (the OL) keep it up or revert back to the way they played last year. If you think the former, hang on to Forte or try to get him. As a Bears fan, I am concerned.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I dont agree with it with Forte, but it is a good idea. Eddie Royal is a guy i like, but he might be a perfect example.I couldn't agree more with that sentence. That is a great general philosophy, not just for Forte.
Saint
Footballguy
I'm in the sell high category. One game does not a player make. I have my doubts about Orton and the OLine yet and I see this causing some trouble down the stretch. Now if you drafted Forte in the mid-rounds as many folks did, then chances are you have 2 decent RBs that started ahead of him and you should be able to move him for a better caliber player that will help your team overall. Chances are, his value now is the highest it'll be, unless he repeats the performance against a stout Carolina D that held LT under 100 yds.
My bet is he doesn't repeat. I sold him with Lee Evans for Reggie Wayne/Lendale White. (Redraft league... Dynasty different story)
My bet is he doesn't repeat. I sold him with Lee Evans for Reggie Wayne/Lendale White. (Redraft league... Dynasty different story)
dagwood
Footballguy
I think that was a great trade on your part...I thought Forte and the Bears line looked VERY IMPRESSIVE against the colts....that being said...its just one game and they Bears were very interested in making a statement given their SuperBowl debacle...I will be very interested to see how they do against Carolina.....if I were betting man....I would take Carolina -2 1/2......but on Sunday I will be cheering for the Bears....
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
He did? He averaged 3.5 YPC, compared to Fortes 5.3.
zamboni
Footballguy
I thought he had some nice runs, particularly for a guy just coming off a devastating knee injury.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Just wait until Forte gets more help from his OL as well as more help from the QB & WR positions. Kid is the real deal. Does everything well.
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Football Jones
Footballguy
i didn't see that (flipping around)...how long were the runs?...sometimes those holding calls don't have anything to do with the success of the play...it's good to know he could of had an even better game
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