blackjack23
Footballguy
Why would Oakland do this? Im not sure what they gave up but since when is Oakland in position to give up prospects & money for a star player?
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Matt Holliday to the A's (1 Viewer)
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blackjack23
Footballguy
John Heyman said it on WFAN
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
wow - didn't see that one coming
Beane probably going to flip Holliday before the trading deadline
Beane probably going to flip Holliday before the trading deadline
Please See Mine
Footballguy
Seems possible, or maybe he thinks all the young guys can come together this year and they can make a run, then he'll just let him walk a la Zito.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
The problem is Holliday is truly mediocre outside of Coors, and now he;'s going to one of the worst hitting ballparks in the majors
Matt Holliday fantasy value: FALLING
Matt Holliday fantasy value: FALLING
bosoxs45
Footballguy
What happen to St.Louis trading for him?
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Thinking some more about this I have to believe Beane is going to move him again
Even taking him into the season in that ballpark is a risk, he could have 30% less value by midseason if he has to play in Oakland
Even taking him into the season in that ballpark is a risk, he could have 30% less value by midseason if he has to play in Oakland
Bogart
Footballguy
Doesn't seem like a fit. Do you go ahead and bring in Holliday, sign Giambi and hope that the lineup with Cust and others works around them? Then dump at the trading deadline if it doesn't work out?
EDIT: Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith, and Huston Street seems like a ton to give up. As a Ranger fan, this makes me happy.
EDIT: Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith, and Huston Street seems like a ton to give up. As a Ranger fan, this makes me happy.
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Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Ludwick + Schumaker + Boggs = more than the front office could stomach. Plus, I'd guess the Cards took the news that Peavy's situation would be resolved sooner rather than later as an indication that they may know shortly if it's likely they can move Ludwick to the Braves for Kelly Johnson or Yunel Escobar, which would fill a greater team need.What happen to St.Louis trading for him?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am glad the Cardinals didn't trade for him. They would have had to give up too much to get him.
Balco
Footballguy
I certainly wouldn't call him mediocre away from home. He is going to be a .300 hitter with 25-20 home runs, a solid OBP, and a great bat in Oakland's lineup.A fantastic move by Billy Beane, and I don't expect the A's to be done. I said in the Tampa Bay post, that Holliday would be the perfect trade target for them. It figures Beane gets him. He will keep him for the year as long as they are competitive, which they will be, and when he walks at the end of the year (which he will), they will get two draft picks. There is talent on that team, especially young pitching. And they actually have some money to spend.I actually think this deal is solid for both teams.
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
Ludwick + Schumaker + Boggs = more than the front office could stomach. Plus, I'd guess the Cards took the news that Peavy's situation would be resolved sooner rather than later as an indication that they may know shortly if it's likely they can move Ludwick to the Braves for Kelly Johnson or Yunel Escobar, which would fill a greater team need.What happen to St.Louis trading for him?
Who would you rather have, Johnson or Escobar? I say Escobar.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I'd just be ecstatic with a middle infielder who ####### contributes offensively. I'd love to see them sign O-dawg, but I'm sure that won't happen.Ludwick + Schumaker + Boggs = more than the front office could stomach. Plus, I'd guess the Cards took the news that Peavy's situation would be resolved sooner rather than later as an indication that they may know shortly if it's likely they can move Ludwick to the Braves for Kelly Johnson or Yunel Escobar, which would fill a greater team need.What happen to St.Louis trading for him?
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
Trading for Escobar and signing O-Dawg would be a dream sequence. I would think the Cards would have to pawn Adam Kennedy off to some sucker first, though.I'd just be ecstatic with a middle infielder who ####### contributes offensively. I'd love to see them sign O-dawg, but I'm sure that won't happen.Ludwick + Schumaker + Boggs = more than the front office could stomach. Plus, I'd guess the Cards took the news that Peavy's situation would be resolved sooner rather than later as an indication that they may know shortly if it's likely they can move Ludwick to the Braves for Kelly Johnson or Yunel Escobar, which would fill a greater team need.What happen to St.Louis trading for him?
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I agree with this thought and I think Holliday's numbers will be very good even away from Coors and once he gets out of Oakland (especially if he stays in the AL), he's gonna be a top offensive player. It's a one year deal in Oakland and they could collect a huge return at the deadline if they decide to deal him, more than they gave up here. I think this was a very good deal for both teams.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I think that's where he lands in '10, seems like a logical fit.
Your Mother
Footballguy
From micro to macro....308/.405/.486 on the road last year is pretty solid, and the rest of the NL West seems to be more pitcher-friendly (SD and SF, mainly). Everything is relative. It's going to hurt his offensive numbers, but the other team has to hit in the same park. If he can put up .308/.405/.486 in Oakland, that's going to be a huge +. From a fantasy standpoint, only a true donkey would take him in the first two rounds now.As for the trade itself, nobody is going to miss Greg Smith. Street is very replaceable given the pen arms that Oakland has. I think the jury is still out on Carlos Gonzalez, he was rushed to Oakland and hasn't yet had a fair shake, but at the same time, he's never had an eye-popping year in the minors (of course, neither did Hanley Ramirez, if memory serves). He's easily the player I'm most nervous about Oakland giving up. But, the OF is pretty crowded beneath him...As for the bigger picture, Oakland finds itself in the uncommon position of having a superstar Boras player in his walk year. Last year Oakland slashed payroll, this year they're supposedly willing to go back up to $80M (targeting Furcal, s). I don't know if Wolff is getting anxious, but the consistency in philosophy isn't just shifting, it's now yo-yo'ed. Why give up Harden for a bunch of jobbers mid-season if you're going to add Holliday? Or Haren AND Swisher? If they hadn't traded away those guys AND added Holliday using their own prospects, they'd be a pretty scary team in the West.On paper, I like this trade. From an overall organizational standpoint, it's confusing. I also wonder if Oakland would be better served just hanging on to players until the very end like they used to and getting the 2 draft picks, rather than trading them off with a year or two left for multiple prospects. And while the haul on the Haren trade has been pretty good, and the Swisher one looks decent as well, it seems like neither hand knows what the other is doing.If Holliday is dealt at mid-season, I hope they build a deal around one stud prospect (ie. Sabathia/LaPorta) and a couple of jobbers thrown in, rather than several decent players. That Harden trade still makes me gag a little.
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Balco
Footballguy
I think the A's most important focus is too improve that defense now. They have a bunch of DH/1B types sprinkled all over the roster (i.e. Cust, Barton . . . etc). Signing Furcal would be a huge mistake, IMO. He is going to want a lot of years, and he has really struggled with injries the last 3 years. They need to get a solid defensive player at the position (like the Rays did with Bartlett), who they can get for the least years. Cesar Itzturis fits the bill here. Furcal is an elite player, but that is a huge gamble for a small market team like the A's.They need to follow the Rays and and try to get a cheap platoon in the lineup, a very good lefty/right split/ Whether that be 1st base, or an outfield spot.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
It's not going to happen, but it is nice to dream. I'd much rather see them spend that money on a guy like Fuentes anyway. They're going to have to eat salary to move Kennedy (Or they could conceivably package him, I guess, but I wouldn't expect that). There are no suckers that big.MrPhoenix said:Trading for Escobar and signing O-Dawg would be a dream sequence. I would think the Cards would have to pawn Adam Kennedy off to some sucker first, though.Bob Sacamano said:I'd just be ecstatic with a middle infielder who ####### contributes offensively. I'd love to see them sign O-dawg, but I'm sure that won't happen.MrPhoenix said:Ludwick + Schumaker + Boggs = more than the front office could stomach. Plus, I'd guess the Cards took the news that Peavy's situation would be resolved sooner rather than later as an indication that they may know shortly if it's likely they can move Ludwick to the Braves for Kelly Johnson or Yunel Escobar, which would fill a greater team need.What happen to St.Louis trading for him?
Who would you rather have, Johnson or Escobar? I say Escobar.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Love this move for the A's, if it doesn't work out and the young guys don't step up Beane should be able to deal him at the deadline for similar value if not more. If they're contending he can flip more prospects for a rental and make a run at it. There's a ton of young talent on the team, if they piece it together this year (dare I say) the A's could compete with the Halos? if they don't, oh well, they made a low risk move to make a play for it at least.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Seriously? They were fourth in defensive efficiency last year. Is there really that much room for improvement?
