Matt Leinart (1 Viewer)

[rockbottom895]

After Matts ridiculous performance on national television against the Bears (widely regarded as the best defense in the NFL), does his future look better than that of Jay Cutler or Vince Young? I watched every second of that Monday night game, and as Joe Theisman said, "I've never seen a rookie play like this before." After the Bears got their lucky plays, Leinart took the Cardinals down the field on the one of the nicest drives that I have ever seen against the Bears. Matt went 5 for 6 throwing for 38 yards. ONE INCOMPLETE PASS AGAINST THE BEARS! He set up a chip shot for Rackers that should have been made. Does this QB live under pressure? If you followed him in college, you must have seen his performance against Notre Dame. On 4th and 9, with a minute or so left, a perfect ball to Dwayne Jarett, to keep the chains moving. My question for all of you is whether or not Matt eventually leads the Cardinals to winning seasons. As everyone knows, the Cardinals are one of the worst franchises in the NFL (sorry Cards fans). Does Leinart have the poise and talent to lead them to wins or division titles?

 

[Sigfawn]

Hey I'm with you. I'm surprised no one else has posted about Leinart since Monday. Seeing as it was a MNF game, he's a hyped rookie QB, you'd think people would be starting threads every 15 mins about this guy.

But nope, it took until Wednesday night for someone to mention him.

Joe should probably make this sticky so no one misses the Leinart discussion.

 

[rockbottom895]

Theisman was right, no rookie has ever played like that.

 

[None_More_Black]

Guy is very accurate and polished. Reminds me of a more mobile pennington with a better arm.(not a cannon) I am actually going to pick him up in my ten teamer and start starting him over vick. We have six point passing tds and while vick has not been bad, I am 2-4 becuase of some huge qb performances against me. Need a spark and if leinart can have good games against kc and the bears he may have some huge games in him coming down the strecth with a decent schedule.

 

[rockbottom895]

Guy is very accurate and polished. Reminds me of a more mobile pennington with a better arm.(not a cannon) I am actually going to pick him up in my ten teamer and start starting him over vick. We have six point passing tds and while vick has not been bad, I am 2-4 becuase of some huge qb performances against me. Need a spark and if leinart can have good games against kc and the bears he may have some huge games in him coming down the strecth with a decent schedule.

In FF terms, I think he wont be as valuable. I still believe that he will throw a ton of picks.

 

[TFN1995]

he still hasnt won a game. If he beats oakland this week then i will give him some respect until then hes just 0-2 in his two starts. Rember stats dont win games

 

[Jack Ham & Eggs]

he still hasnt won a game. If he beats oakland this week then i will give him some respect until then hes just 0-2 in his two starts. Rember stats dont win games

Arizona is 0-2 in spite of him. Jesus Christ would be 0-2 with that offensive line and Neil Rackers.

 

[red]

I'm surprised no one else has posted about Leinart since Monday. Joe should probably make this sticky so no one misses the Leinart discussion.

must be sarcasm...if not: here's a real good discussion LEINART...one of many.

 

[Slinger]

he still hasnt won a game. If he beats oakland this week then i will give him some respect until then hes just 0-2 in his two starts. Rember stats dont win games

He's the best rookie QB on this side of Dan Marino. I'm starting him this week over Peyton Manning. That's Peyton Manning.

 

[AnonymousBob]

No, he's a phony. Andrew Walters could have done the same thing.

 

[rockbottom895]

No, he's a phony. Andrew Walters could have done the same thing.

Are you insane? Explain to me how Andrew Walters could have done the same thing? Andrew Walters has done notihng against some pretty bad defenses. Leinart, against the Bears , picked them apart. Leinart will take this franchise off of its knees.

 

[redman]

He's had a very impressive first two games against a good defense and an excellent defense. Just his 4:1 TD:INT ratio is impressive.

 

[AnonymousBob]

No, he's a phony. Andrew Walters could have done the same thing.

Are you insane? Explain to me how Andrew Walters could have done the same thing? Andrew Walters has done notihng against some pretty bad defenses. Leinart, against the Bears , picked them apart. Leinart will take this franchise off of its knees.

Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to take the other extreme. Hall Of Fame, here comes Leinhart!!!You asked if the guy was for real. What kind of answers did you expect to get? Sheesh, the guy has looked good for two games-I don't know if he's "for real" and neither do you. What's he's shown has been a tremendous amount of talent.Don't be shocked somebody gave you a stupid answer to what was a stupid question.

 

[rockbottom895]

No, he's a phony. Andrew Walters could have done the same thing.

Are you insane? Explain to me how Andrew Walters could have done the same thing? Andrew Walters has done notihng against some pretty bad defenses. Leinart, against the Bears , picked them apart. Leinart will take this franchise off of its knees.

Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to take the other extreme. Hall Of Fame, here comes Leinhart!!!You asked if the guy was for real. What kind of answers did you expect to get? Sheesh, the guy has looked good for two games-I don't know if he's "for real" and neither do you. What's he's shown has been a tremendous amount of talent.Don't be shocked somebody gave you a stupid answer to what was a stupid question.

Why are you even in Football Guys? I was wondering an honest quesitons, and its F***ers like you that just wont shut up. The reason I posted this was to ask everyone what their opinion was on Matt Leinart. I understand that it has only been two games, but I wanted to see what everyone thought of him. Clearly, you are one of the least intelligent pepole in this forum. Its pretty obvious that you aren't very bright.

 

[Slinger]

No, he's a phony. Andrew Walters could have done the same thing.

Are you insane? Explain to me how Andrew Walters could have done the same thing? Andrew Walters has done notihng against some pretty bad defenses. Leinart, against the Bears , picked them apart. Leinart will take this franchise off of its knees.

Don't be shocked somebody gave you a stupid answer to what was a stupid question.

Be nice.

 

[Slinger]

No, he's a phony. Andrew Walters could have done the same thing.

Are you insane? Explain to me how Andrew Walters could have done the same thing? Andrew Walters has done notihng against some pretty bad defenses. Leinart, against the Bears , picked them apart. Leinart will take this franchise off of its knees.

Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to take the other extreme. Hall Of Fame, here comes Leinhart!!!You asked if the guy was for real. What kind of answers did you expect to get? Sheesh, the guy has looked good for two games-I don't know if he's "for real" and neither do you. What's he's shown has been a tremendous amount of talent.Don't be shocked somebody gave you a stupid answer to what was a stupid question.

and its F***ers like you that just wont shut up.

Nevermind, AB, have at it.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

he still hasnt won a game. If he beats oakland this week then i will give him some respect until then hes just 0-2 in his two starts. Rember stats dont win games

You know very little about football if thats your stance. Rackers is thereason he has not won a game. And your respect im sure he's concerned about.

 

[AnonymousBob]

does his future look better than that of Jay Cutler or Vince Young? Does this QB live under pressure? My question for all of you is whether or not Matt eventually leads the Cardinals to winning seasons. Does Leinart have the poise and talent to lead them to wins or division titles?

Re-read your questions. Your thread heading asks if he's for real. C'mon, after two friggin starts we'll suddenly know if his future is brighter than that of VY or Cutler? For crying out loud, it's ENTIRELY too early to tell. Yes, starting off as he did is better than most fans could have ever hoped for but it's STILL only two games!!! I'll try being nice here-he looked damned good in his two games. His future looks bright. But hey, Aikman looked terrible as a rookie and he turned out ok. If Matt throws for a sub 50% completion rate, 0 td's and 3 interceptions in his next game will that make him a bust?Go ahead, question my intelligence (I must be an idiot for responding). Next I suggest you should question my manhood, that's always a good one.

 

[Islander]

No, he's a phony. Andrew Walters could have done the same thing.

Are you insane? Explain to me how Andrew Walters could have done the same thing? Andrew Walters has done notihng against some pretty bad defenses. Leinart, against the Bears , picked them apart. Leinart will take this franchise off of its knees.

Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to take the other extreme. Hall Of Fame, here comes Leinhart!!!You asked if the guy was for real. What kind of answers did you expect to get? Sheesh, the guy has looked good for two games-I don't know if he's "for real" and neither do you. What's he's shown has been a tremendous amount of talent.

Don't be shocked somebody gave you a stupid answer to what was a stupid question.

Why are you even in Football Guys? I was wondering an honest quesitons, and its F***ers like you that just wont shut up. The reason I posted this was to ask everyone what their opinion was on Matt Leinart. I understand that it has only been two games, but I wanted to see what everyone thought of him. Clearly, you are one of the least intelligent pepole in this forum. Its pretty obvious that you aren't very bright.

Some people just make the forum so unpleasant sometimes. I would not answer him, just put the guy on your ignore list and move on. I did that a while ago and could not be happier http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=263963

Back to Leinart, yes I think he is for real. We don't have much to go by so far, but in the last 10 years, the few QBs who impressed in their first few starts turned out pretty well in general, especially if they were high picks with a great college career.

So I think if a young QB starts bad, you can't draw conclusions yet, he might stay bad, or he might improve later. But if the young QB has an impressive start, this is a more predictive sign.

I'd be happy to have Leinart in dynasty, I think he'll be a top 10 QB for several years eventually, and with Boldin/Fitz, that could start as early as 2007.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I love you too Islander.

 

[djmich]

He's 0-2, Warner was 1-3, and the O-Line looks like it is playing better.

He's started out hot in two games and then has played mediocre to poorly, maybe defenses are adjusting quickly.

I think the guy will be good, in large part because of the recievers he has. He should be at minimum equal to Warner's stats without as many picks or fumbles, which is nice. I just wouldn't say he's better than Manning (either one) yet.

 

[Biabreakable]

I am considering playing him over Tom Brady and Carson Palmer because of the Raiders matchup.

 

[-OZ-]

As I was watching, I remember thinking "this looks too easy for him." I don't remember being impressed by any one play or series really, except that he never lost composure. Even his fumble wasn't his mistake.

He looks like a veteran already, and is my starter over Roethlisberger, at least for this week.

 

[coachjim]

I am a ND fan and found every reason to dislike Leinert. Weak arm. Weak schedule. Lucky. Yeah but after watching him for his first two starts, and wanting him to fail, he is the real deal. Matt was one of the most poised rookie QB's, against purportadly the best defense in football, that I have ever seen. Of course I have only been watching football for 35 or 40 years. The only rookie QB I would say was better was Marino.

As an SC hater it is tough but this guy is the real deal. Mark my words.

 

[rockbottom895]

As I was watching, I remember thinking "this looks too easy for him." I don't remember being impressed by any one play or series really, except that he never lost composure. Even his fumble wasn't his mistake. He looks like a veteran already, and is my starter over Roethlisberger, at least for this week.

Im so big on Leinart, that I am starting him over Carson Palmer this week. Oaklands secondary is much worse than Carolinas, so I should be set.

 

[Guru]

I am considering playing him over Tom Brady and Carson Palmer because of the Raiders matchup.

I am starting Leinart over Favre & Losman. He is my #1 from here on out.

 

[Third]

Arizona is 0-2 in spite of him. Jesus Christ would be 0-2 with that offensive line and Neil Rackers.

"Ahh, Jesus...I like him very much, but he no help with the curveball.""Are you trying to say that Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"

 

[renesauz]

Never in all my years of watching football have I ever tried to make a decision about the quality of a QB in his first two starts as a rookie.

UNtil now. Leinart was solid statistically, but stats lie sometimes. The truth is he looked like a veteran pro-bowl caliber QB against the leagues (arguably) best defense on Football's biggest regular season stage (MNF). Change the uniform and I could have sworn it was Tom Brady playing QB.

He'll throw a couple of stinkers up this year, I'll bet. BUt unlike most rookie QB's, it will be ONLY because of lack of experiance, not because of lack of composure. He's for real.

 

[-OZ-]

Change the uniform and I could have sworn it was Tom Brady playing QB.

I've made that comparison before, and is exactly what I was thinking when I wrote my above comments. I just didn't want to get into that discussion.renesauz = ..

 

[tombonneau]

Change the uniform and I could have sworn it was Tom Brady playing QB.

I've made that comparison before, and is exactly what I was thinking when I wrote my above comments. I just didn't want to get into that discussion.renesauz = ..

I'm a Pats homer who lives in LA and I made the same comparision watching him his first year as starter at USC. He has that same equanimity in the pocket as Brady. Just a natural effortless instinct in the pocket, and he rarely makes bad decisions. You can have the best arm in the world, but if you make #### decisions it won't do you any good (see Bledsoe, Drew).Looking at Leinart's schedule, I see absolutely no way he does not finish at minimum top 10. His avg. ppg in his first two starts places him in tier of top 3-5 QB in my league. He might not finish that high, but he has a real easy schedule and it would not shock me to see him top 5 forward.

Hate him all you want, but he is a player, the real deal on the field and will be a real deal in fantasy THIS YEAR. I'm about to trade Colston for him straight up and I'm not the one thinking twice.

 

[trader jake]

Does somebody have a legit reason to believe he ISN'T for real?

 

[Bob_Magaw]

Does somebody have a legit reason to believe he ISN'T for real?

:silence is deafening:

 

[BigTuna]

I drafted him in the end of the third round in our dynasty league. I traded away vick last year and needed a potential Payton future replacement. He will spend this season on the bench on my team. Probably next year too. But I am happy with my pick. There was one owner that gave me a hard time for drafting him in the third, he thought frye was a better pick. I told him him I was drafting Lienart because of his receivers. Not necessarily becuase he was the best qb in the draft. BTW, I'm 6-0, he's 0-6 this season.

Is he for real? I'm not sure. #### happens, I know I'm glad I drafted him. He might pay off for me in a couple years. As for the redraft people. I'd probably put him as a top 5 qb this week. Another words I would put him ahead of Tom Brady - NE at BUF, Jon Kitna - DET at NYJ, Byron Leftwich - JAX at HOU and Jake Delhomme - CAR at CIN. He still has @GB, Det, @Min, @StL, Sea and @SF on his schedule. I think he can be productive in these games. Especially if/when fitz returns. If he can function as a top 12 or 13 this year. Which I think he can, then he'll be a top ten next year. The only thing that could throw a wrench in the works is the firing of Green. If that happens, depending on who replaces him, he could slide. I think however, that the GM of the cards has reqruited a pass happy team. Which is the main reason I drafted Lienart. Barring injury, his future is so bright, he should be wearing shades.

 

[tombonneau]

Let's also not forget that Leinart is putting up numbers without arguably the best WR in the league on the field.

Currently, Leinart's situation is the definition of "tremendous upside."

 

[BigTuna]

Change the uniform and I could have sworn it was Tom Brady playing QB.

I've made that comparison before, and is exactly what I was thinking when I wrote my above comments. I just didn't want to get into that discussion.renesauz = ..

You're scaring me, 2002 no 9 Brady, Tom NEP QB

2003 no 9 Brady, Tom NEP QB

2004 no 10 Brady, Tom NEP QB

2005 no 3 Brady, Tom NEP QB

2006 no 14 Brady, Tom NEP QB

Brady has been just breaking into the top ten in my fantasy league. With the exception of last year. I want a Payton replacement. Which means top five. He's gotta be better than brady, fantasy wise.

 

[PahtyTom]

No, he's a phony. Andrew Walters could have done the same thing.

Are you insane? Explain to me how Andrew Walters could have done the same thing? Andrew Walters has done notihng against some pretty bad defenses. Leinart, against the Bears , picked them apart. Leinart will take this franchise off of its knees.

Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to take the other extreme. Hall Of Fame, here comes Leinhart!!!You asked if the guy was for real. What kind of answers did you expect to get? Sheesh, the guy has looked good for two games-I don't know if he's "for real" and neither do you. What's he's shown has been a tremendous amount of talent.

Don't be shocked somebody gave you a stupid answer to what was a stupid question.

He carved up the Bears defense without his best WR, behind a terrible OL, with no run game, on a national stage as a rookie in his 2nd pro start. He was audibling and making the correct pre-snap adjustments all night as a rookie in his 2nd pro start. He's for real.