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Matt Stafford has shoulder surgery (1 Viewer)
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The Captain
Footballguy
Talking about it on 97.1 right now....
Should have been done 2 months ago.
Should have been done 2 months ago.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Irritating that this wasn't done a long time ago.
Pyscho Wife
Footballguy
IMO, he needs to hit the weights and bulk up a little like Bradford did before he got drafted or Stafford will just get hurt again. The dude is too fragile right now.
It's not so dissimilar at all. Bradford struggled with it his last year at OU, thought he could avoid surgery and then Dr. Andrews "fixed him up."The article I saw on this said it can heal on it's own but the surgery would aid the healing process.Stafford (if there is one) will miss all of the offseason stuff and hopefully/likely be ready for training camp.As if I'm a doc and can tell-I still think this won't solve things for Stafford. He seems like glass. The injuries don't help his development and like I've said in other threads, I think the Lions would be better off without him.
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Football Critic
Footballguy
If he don't play in at least 14 games this year, it is a waisted #1 overall pick yet again for the Lions.
When you draft a franchise QB with the #1 overall pick, and he only played in 13 of 32 games, thats not just a bust... its unacceptable.
When you draft a franchise QB with the #1 overall pick, and he only played in 13 of 32 games, thats not just a bust... its unacceptable.
Doctor Detroit
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He's 22 years old and never had a significant injury prior to this AC joint issue. It is much more likely he recovers and never has another significant injury again than it is he's out for significant periods. But you can't predict injuries, it is WAY TOO EARLY to call Stafford a bust.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Couple of issues here.First off, Bradford didn't "struggle" with it, he got injured in the BYU game and came back and it happened the first time he was sacked against Texas. He played about three quarters of football last year at OU and the reason is that this injury is extrememly difficult to recover from. People were in here shooting their mouths off about Bradford being made of glass also, but guess what happened? He got the surgery, he put on weight and he's gonna be a top five QB for many years. Stafford has had the same injury, three times. It's not like he tore his ACL, his achilles and then jammed his AC joint. The AC joint heels on its own, it is recurring and it is delicate. This is an injury that happens to dogs also. They jam it, they recover and then three weeks later they jam it again and you start all over. Why he didn't get surgery a month ago is beyond me but this is not like a torn ligament which you mend.You can say it in every thread at FBG but it doesn't make you right saying the Lions are better off without him. He is a guy with a ton of talent, huge arm, smart, great leader and he was the #1 overall pick. How the hell would you be better off without a guy like that who is 22 years old? That is complete nonsense. He is probably the most talented QB the franchise has had in my lifetime, in fact I'm sure he is. The Lions have a real chance to get to the Super Bowl in the next few years and Stafford is the key component in their climb to that goal. How they would be better off taking a les talented guy in the draft and starting all over or picking up a washed up veteran makes no sense, at least to me.
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Too early to call Stafford a bust, but the Lions are a team on the rise and doing without any help from the #1 overall two years ago. Next year if Stafford will still be basically a rookie in terms of game playing time.
higgins
Footballguy
Couple of issues here.First off, Bradford didn't "struggle" with it, he got injured in the BYU game and came back and it happened the first time he was sacked against Texas. He played about three quarters of football last year at OU and the reason is that this injury is extrememly difficult to recover from. People were in here shooting their mouths off about Bradford being made of glass also, but guess what happened? He got the surgery, he put on weight and he's gonna be a top five QB for many years. Stafford has had the same injury, three times. It's not like he tore his ACL, his achilles and then jammed his AC joint. The AC joint heels on its own, it is recurring and it is delicate. This is an injury that happens to dogs also. They jam it, they recover and then three weeks later they jam it again and you start all over. Why he didn't get surgery a month ago is beyond me but this is not like a torn ligament which you mend.You can say it in every thread at FBG but it doesn't make you right saying the Lions are better off without him. He is a guy with a ton of talent, huge arm, smart, great leader and he was the #1 overall pick. How the hell would you be better off without a guy like that who is 22 years old? That is complete nonsense. He is probably the most talented QB the franchise has had in my lifetime, in fact I'm sure he is. The Lions have a real chance to get to the Super Bowl in the next few years and Stafford is the key component in their climb to that goal. How they would be better off taking a les talented guy in the draft and starting all over or picking up a washed up veteran makes no sense, at least to me.
Titans_fan
Footballguy
The Lions need to fill some holes in the secondary and maybe get younger along the O-Line, so I can't imagine any scenario they take a QB in the first this season and tie all that money up in 2 QBs. Maybe they grab a prospect on day 2, but I think Shaun Hill showed enough at the end of last season that the team is confident in him as their #2 for now.
Sinrman
Footballguy
There is absolutely, positively no way that they draft a QB in the first round. It is waaaaay too early to call Stafford a bust. If he continues to play just a few games/season, I wouldsay maybe 5-6 years into his career, THEN maybe call him a bust due to injury.The Lions will retain Hill, who did admirable when he filled in, and maybe later on in the draft get another young QB with some talent, if any still exist. Not entirely convincedStanton is exactly the answer at #3.As others have said, the Lions have far greater concerns that dumping another first rounder into a QB. O-line is the biggest need in my opinion, and also some holes in the defensethat still need to be filled. The defense has come a LONG ways, but still needs work. We still gave up more points than we should be...
Doctor Detroit
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Absolutely not. They have needs at LB, DL, OL and secondary so they aren't going to waste a high pick on a QB as a "hedge" unless it was much later in the draft. Shaun Hill is a very capable back-up and is signed through next season. If Stafford goes down again with the same injury, then in 2012 they can consider bringing in a rookie but I don't think that is the best option anyway. Lions have been perpetually rebuilding for 10 years, they can go with a vet instead and still be a playoff team with the way the other players are developing.
massraider
Footballguy
Couple of issues here.First off, Bradford didn't "struggle" with it, he got injured in the BYU game and came back and it happened the first time he was sacked against Texas. He played about three quarters of football last year at OU and the reason is that this injury is extrememly difficult to recover from. People were in here shooting their mouths off about Bradford being made of glass also, but guess what happened? He got the surgery, he put on weight and he's gonna be a top five QB for many years. Stafford has had the same injury, three times. It's not like he tore his ACL, his achilles and then jammed his AC joint. The AC joint heels on its own, it is recurring and it is delicate. This is an injury that happens to dogs also. They jam it, they recover and then three weeks later they jam it again and you start all over. Why he didn't get surgery a month ago is beyond me but this is not like a torn ligament which you mend.You can say it in every thread at FBG but it doesn't make you right saying the Lions are better off without him. He is a guy with a ton of talent, huge arm, smart, great leader and he was the #1 overall pick. How the hell would you be better off without a guy like that who is 22 years old? That is complete nonsense. He is probably the most talented QB the franchise has had in my lifetime, in fact I'm sure he is. The Lions have a real chance to get to the Super Bowl in the next few years and Stafford is the key component in their climb to that goal. How they would be better off taking a les talented guy in the draft and starting all over or picking up a washed up veteran makes no sense, at least to me.
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
If I remember correctly, Stafford wanted to get this surgery done during the season but the Lions and their doctors advised him not to. Anyone remember that at all or am I making it up?
hauser42
Footballguy
He should have been given time to get ready for the NFL and not pushed right in. But loosing teams tend to rush thier high picks into the mix and more times than not ruin them.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Yeah, that Peyton Manning sure does suck. And Flacco, Big Ben, Matt Ryan...If a qb is going to suck they're going to suck.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
yes (or very early 2nd) and the lions don't need a qb more than they need other picks there OL/secondary/LB
(snipped)We're not disagreeing here. It just seems you thought "struggle" was too gentle a term, too minimal.Re the snipped part, I love your conviction. It's great and I hope Stafford works out for you.
It's a whole darned if you do darned if you don't predicament about giving him time and learning on the field.
az_prof
Footballguy
Shoulder surgery is a lot more challenging than an ACL. This is bad news no matter how the Homers spin it. The fact that they waited so long is even worse news because they thought he would get better with rest and rehab and obviously the rehab wasn't going well. Now there is even less time for recovery.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Not necessarily, depends on the injury. We aren't talking Chad Pennington type injury here, it's not a rotator cuff, torn capsule or a labrum. Those all require surgery and are major injuries that are difficult to guess recovery. We are talking wear and tear or genetics vs a sudden injury caused by factors outside the body. An AC joint is something that a normal person would not get surgery on, it can heal on its own.
If you say so, I'm sure you know better than everyone else including Doctor James Andrews.
He and others seem to think this will prevent the injury from so easily recurring and Stafford will be throwing in May. Since the Lions won't be having any mini camps or spring practices, who cares about the recovery time if he's gonna be ready before July?
Baron Samedi
Footballguy
Couple of issues here.First off, Bradford didn't "struggle" with it, he got injured in the BYU game and came back and it happened the first time he was sacked against Texas. He played about three quarters of football last year at OU and the reason is that this injury is extrememly difficult to recover from. People were in here shooting their mouths off about Bradford being made of glass also, but guess what happened? He got the surgery, he put on weight and he's gonna be a top five QB for many years. Stafford has had the same injury, three times. It's not like he tore his ACL, his achilles and then jammed his AC joint. The AC joint heels on its own, it is recurring and it is delicate. This is an injury that happens to dogs also. They jam it, they recover and then three weeks later they jam it again and you start all over. Why he didn't get surgery a month ago is beyond me but this is not like a torn ligament which you mend.You can say it in every thread at FBG but it doesn't make you right saying the Lions are better off without him. He is a guy with a ton of talent, huge arm, smart, great leader and he was the #1 overall pick. How the hell would you be better off without a guy like that who is 22 years old? That is complete nonsense. He is probably the most talented QB the franchise has had in my lifetime, in fact I'm sure he is. The Lions have a real chance to get to the Super Bowl in the next few years and Stafford is the key component in their climb to that goal. How they would be better off taking a les talented guy in the draft and starting all over or picking up a washed up veteran makes no sense, at least to me.
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
Stafford may very well have a complete recovery and yes his procedure is not as high risk as are other areas of the shoulder (labrum, rotator cuff, etc)
However. surgery is never preferable in this area to "natural healing". The fact that the latter was pushed aside for the former is little bit troubling and does bear watching.
However. surgery is never preferable in this area to "natural healing". The fact that the latter was pushed aside for the former is little bit troubling and does bear watching.
Dought Man
Footballguy
The kid is doughy looking. Perhaps some 50 lb curls instead of 12 oz curls in the offseason will help. A lot of players "get religion" after major surgery, about living healthier and working out harder to stay in great shape. Hopefully Stafford does.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Stafford is still the guy, there's more than enough time for him to be ready for next season if there's a next season. At this point the Lions have to be thinking Stafford is there guy and they have two decent Qb's to back him up if somehow he isn't.
If he somehow doesn't play much again next season, I think they'll finally have to say they're in the market for a QB and for whatever reason Stafford just isn't the guy. I don't think this is the case, but I didn't think he'd only play a few games this past year either. I'm looking for big things from Stafford next season, glad he's getting the surgery done.
If he somehow doesn't play much again next season, I think they'll finally have to say they're in the market for a QB and for whatever reason Stafford just isn't the guy. I don't think this is the case, but I didn't think he'd only play a few games this past year either. I'm looking for big things from Stafford next season, glad he's getting the surgery done.
cmv5
Footballguy
Yeah, that's how I feel. Him having had surgery, if the shoulder is re-injured, I feel comfortable with the Lions seeking out another long term solution. Whereas, if he didn't elect to have the surgery, he might get a 4th chance.
If he can do what Bradford did (put in a good year without re-injuring that shoulder) then I think people forget all about it.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Now is the time to buy this guy in every league you are in.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
No thanks, I'll stick with the Stafford/Hill combo.
az_prof
Footballguy
Please cite a story where a surgeon came out and said "Surgery went bad. I really see a long difficult recovery and I don't know if this guy will ever play again." To me, the fact that the doctors told Cutler and the team that Cutler SHOULD recover normally, without surgery, and then months later finally decide surgery is necessary tells you that the doctors were wrong to begin with and that he is not healing well.By the way, while I am not a surgeon I have had shoulder reconstructive surgery and ACL surgery myself. While it is anecdotal, recovery for the knee was much easier and straight forward and I never did recover full mobility of my shoulder. I find it hard to believe that anyone can be fully recovered from shoulder surgery (not throwing but throwing accurately at NFL speed) in less than a year.Not necessarily, depends on the injury. We aren't talking Chad Pennington type injury here, it's not a rotator cuff, torn capsule or a labrum. Those all require surgery and are major injuries that are difficult to guess recovery. We are talking wear and tear or genetics vs a sudden injury caused by factors outside the body. An AC joint is something that a normal person would not get surgery on, it can heal on its own.If you say so, I'm sure you know better than everyone else including Doctor James Andrews.He and others seem to think this will prevent the injury from so easily recurring and Stafford will be throwing in May. Since the Lions won't be having any mini camps or spring practices, who cares about the recovery time if he's gonna be ready before July?
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
I'm not a surgeon either, but I imagine the rehab for a professional quarterback will be be somewhat different than yours. And while you find it hard to believe that he'll fully recover, I have to think those who are paying Stafford millions of dollars and the elite medical professionals that will be monitoring him probably have a better grasp on his situation.Please cite a story where a surgeon came out and said "Surgery went bad. I really see a long difficult recovery and I don't know if this guy will ever play again." To me, the fact that the doctors told Cutler and the team that Cutler SHOULD recover normally, without surgery, and then months later finally decide surgery is necessary tells you that the doctors were wrong to begin with and that he is not healing well.By the way, while I am not a surgeon I have had shoulder reconstructive surgery and ACL surgery myself. While it is anecdotal, recovery for the knee was much easier and straight forward and I never did recover full mobility of my shoulder. I find it hard to believe that anyone can be fully recovered from shoulder surgery (not throwing but throwing accurately at NFL speed) in less than a year.Not necessarily, depends on the injury. We aren't talking Chad Pennington type injury here, it's not a rotator cuff, torn capsule or a labrum. Those all require surgery and are major injuries that are difficult to guess recovery. We are talking wear and tear or genetics vs a sudden injury caused by factors outside the body. An AC joint is something that a normal person would not get surgery on, it can heal on its own.If you say so, I'm sure you know better than everyone else including Doctor James Andrews.
Sinrman
Footballguy
I think I would slit my wrists if this happened...
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
feel bad for the kid, Hope the surgery helps him turn out like Bradford and not charles freakin rodgers.
Doctor Detroit
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Oh like Sam Bradford who had the same exact injury?az_prof said:Please cite a story where a surgeon came out and said "Surgery went bad. I really see a long difficult recovery and I don't know if this guy will ever play again." To me, the fact that the doctors told Cutler and the team that Cutler SHOULD recover normally, without surgery, and then months later finally decide surgery is necessary tells you that the doctors were wrong to begin with and that he is not healing well.By the way, while I am not a surgeon I have had shoulder reconstructive surgery and ACL surgery myself. While it is anecdotal, recovery for the knee was much easier and straight forward and I never did recover full mobility of my shoulder. I find it hard to believe that anyone can be fully recovered from shoulder surgery (not throwing but throwing accurately at NFL speed) in less than a year.Not necessarily, depends on the injury. We aren't talking Chad Pennington type injury here, it's not a rotator cuff, torn capsule or a labrum. Those all require surgery and are major injuries that are difficult to guess recovery. We are talking wear and tear or genetics vs a sudden injury caused by factors outside the body. An AC joint is something that a normal person would not get surgery on, it can heal on its own.If you say so, I'm sure you know better than everyone else including Doctor James Andrews.
