Matt Waldman: 75% chance Bridgwater falls due to racism (1 Viewer)

[identikit]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000342375/article/exbucs-gm-teddy-bridgewaters-stock-in-decline-before-pro-day?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cb

 

[MAC_32]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000342375/article/exbucs-gm-teddy-bridgewaters-stock-in-decline-before-pro-day?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cb

he says absolutely nothing of substance and does a great job showing why he failed as a gm.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Whoever

Looks like Waldman was right. Teddy might drop to the second rd. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24530729/now-the-talk-is-that-qb-teddy-bridgewater-could-fall-to-the-2nd-round

What was he right about ? No one was arguing that he might not fall, we were arguing that if he did fall it wouldn't be because of racism

then why is he falling?

Who said he's falling? Maybe he was never rated as high as some internet dorks thought by people that actually know what they are doing.

then why is he a second rate qb prospect?

Who called him a second rate qb prospect? Why don't you ask the scouts that called him that instead of the internet dorks?

I am doubting the scouts did. Everyone who followed him in season has been very positive about his prospects. The negative buzz didn't begin until decision maker's who don't start paying attention until January started giving their opinions.

Wait. What decision makers have called Bridgewater a second rate QB? Did those same decision makers call him an elite prospect before?

if he isn't then there is no debate about whether he is a top five pick

I have no idea what you just said. If he isn't what there is no debate he's a top 5 pick? How can you (one of us internet dorks) make any claim that he's automatically a top five pick or anything else?

 

[MAC_32]

Those who do not like him cannot quantify why. He has shown everything you want of a starting qb and has all the intangibles too. You cannot win in the nfl unless you have a quality qb and there are several teams picking early in this draft that do not have a quality qb. If he were not second rate then he would be a shoe in at the top of the draft, and by all accounts before the last month or so, he was. The questions didn't begin to surface until those who don't pay attention to prospects until January started evaluating. I think it's pretty clear that until i see something indicating otherwise they are heavily weighing whatever they have been seeing the last couple of months and largely ignoring all the great things he did throughout college.

All of the tools are there...but he isn't Andrew Lucks size...he didn't workout well...he can be a little inconsistent with deep ball accuracy. If you can't work around that to build a quality starting qb then you shouldnt be coaching in the nfl. Not every prospect is Andrew Luck. There hadn't been one like him in 15 or 25 years, depending on who you ask.

 

[identikit]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000342375/article/exbucs-gm-teddy-bridgewaters-stock-in-decline-before-pro-day?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cb

he says absolutely nothing of substance and does a great job showing why he failed as a gm.

Most all information has some value (one way or the other).

We all get that you love Bridgewater.

And nothing will sway that for you.

And that's ok.

 

[MAC_32]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000342375/article/exbucs-gm-teddy-bridgewaters-stock-in-decline-before-pro-day?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cb

he says absolutely nothing of substance and does a great job showing why he failed as a gm.

Most all information has some value (one way or the other).

We all get that you love Bridgewater.

And nothing will sway that for you.

And that's ok.

not my issue at all, if you don't like him, fine, tell me why. No one has. Not saying just here, but anywhere, Dominik would provide a great thesis for that too. He says absolutely nothing there.

 

[MAC_32]

I get why people question Manziel, and there are many different reasons among different critics. I might not agree with them all, but i get it. There has been nothing of value from Bridgewater's critics.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Those who do not like him cannot quantify why. He has shown everything you want of a starting qb and has all the intangibles too. You cannot win in the nfl unless you have a quality qb and there are several teams picking early in this draft that do not have a quality qb. If he were not second rate then he would be a shoe in at the top of the draft, and by all accounts before the last month or so, he was. The questions didn't begin to surface until those who don't pay attention to prospects until January started evaluating. I think it's pretty clear that until i see something indicating otherwise they are heavily weighing whatever they have been seeing the last couple of months and largely ignoring all the great things he did throughout college.

All of the tools are there...but he isn't Andrew Lucks size...he didn't workout well...he can be a little inconsistent with deep ball accuracy. If you can't work around that to build a quality starting qb then you shouldnt be coaching in the nfl. Not every prospect is Andrew Luck. There hadn't been one like him in 15 or 25 years, depending on who you ask.

This bait is almost as stinky as Waldman's racist garbage.

 

[Gandalf]

Dmac - I was pointing out that others had concerns after his pro day. I actually really like Bridgewater and think he will be really good. The concerns are overblown I think.

 

[Gandalf]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

Top 5 according to whom? Certainly not those making the decisions.

 

[MAC_32]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

Top 5 according to whom? Certainly not those making the decisions.

college scouts and talent evaluators.

 

[jurb26]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

Top 5 according to whom? Certainly not those making the decisions.

What decisions have been made?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

Top 5 according to whom? Certainly not those making the decisions.

college scouts and talent evaluators.

Who? Where? Link?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

Top 5 according to whom? Certainly not those making the decisions.

What decisions have been made?

Yeah, this too.

 

[identikit]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

Top 5 according to whom? Certainly not those making the decisions.

college scouts and talent evaluators.

Who? Where? Link?

Yes, we need some quantitative substance here.

 

[Gandalf]

Seriously? Are you guys forgetting history? Prior to his pro day many draft analysts had Bridgewater in the top 5 many had the Texans taking him at 1.1. I feel like your all taking crazy pills! No one remembers this? You need me to find a link???

 

[MAC_32]

Seriously? Are you guys forgetting history? Prior to his pro day many draft analysts had Bridgewater in the top 5 many had the Texans taking him at 1.1. I feel like your all taking crazy pills! No one remembers this? You need me to find a link???

we don't. They know.

 

[RBM]

Seriously? Are you guys forgetting history? Prior to his pro day many draft analysts had Bridgewater in the top 5 many had the Texans taking him at 1.1. I feel like your all taking crazy pills! No one remembers this? You need me to find a link???

Yeah I hate to agree with this guy, but up until his pro day he was as much of a top 5 lock as any player in this draft.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Seriously? Are you guys forgetting history? Prior to his pro day many draft analysts had Bridgewater in the top 5 many had the Texans taking him at 1.1. I feel like your all taking crazy pills! No one remembers this? You need me to find a link???

Internet draft analysts and tv guys like Kiper and McShay are irrelevant. They screw up rankings every year because they are average at best at what they do.

The truth is we don't know where the NFL scouts and GMs ranked Bridgewater in January and we don't know where they rank him now. Hell, 31 of them could hate him and it only takes one to pick him high. Or he could drop because teams like him but like other players better. Or he could drop because no one likes him. We don't know. That's why it is asinine to ask 500 times to explain why people hate Bridgewater now. Maybe MAC32 can identify who used to love him and hates him now and ask them directly.

 

[MAC_32]

Gm's largely don't pay attention to any of these guys until the Sr. bowl. Coaches definitely do not. They are aware of them, but in a given week how much attention do they get? Maybe an hour or two in a meeting?

I have learned a lot the last couple of years by watching games while following Josh Norris, Eric Stoner, Sig, Waldman, Lance Zierlein, Nfl Philosophy, hawkeye game film, Matt Miller, Rumford Johnny, Eric Galko, DaneBrugler, Smart Football, Louis Riddick, John Middlekauff, and I'm sure others I'm forgetting. I don't see everything, and a lot of times they see things I don't that cause me to go back and watch, but a lot of times I see one thing and they see it too.

There is more than just the on the field product, but going into January I think I have a good feel for most of the top hundred prospects or so and select others later. Bridgewater is definitely one of them. If he checks out upstairs as reported then there really isn't much of anything that I have been exposed to that says he will fail. So, if you believe otherwise, tell me why.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Seriously? Are you guys forgetting history? Prior to his pro day many draft analysts had Bridgewater in the top 5 many had the Texans taking him at 1.1. I feel like your all taking crazy pills! No one remembers this? You need me to find a link???

we don't. They know.

So did everyone not know that Bridgewater was black a few months ago when they had him top 5? Can you explain to me how, if racism means that Bridgewater is not going to go top 10, why he "was" top 10 a few months ago? DId he just turn black? What's the logic here?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Gm's largely don't pay attention to any of these guys until the Sr. bowl. Coaches definitely do not. They are aware of them, but in a given week how much attention do they get? Maybe an hour or two in a meeting?

I have learned a lot the last couple of years by watching games while following Josh Norris, Eric Stoner, Sig, Waldman, Lance Zierlein, Nfl Philosophy, hawkeye game film, Matt Miller, Rumford Johnny, Eric Galko, DaneBrugler, Smart Football, Louis Riddick, John Middlekauff, and I'm sure others I'm forgetting. I don't see everything, and a lot of times they see things I don't that cause me to go back and watch, but a lot of times I see one thing and they see it too.

There is more than just the on the field product, but going into January I think I have a good feel for most of the top hundred prospects or so and select others later. Bridgewater is definitely one of them. If he checks out upstairs as reported then there really isn't much of anything that I have been exposed to that says he will fail. So, if you believe otherwise, tell me why.

 

[MAC_32]

Seriously? Are you guys forgetting history? Prior to his pro day many draft analysts had Bridgewater in the top 5 many had the Texans taking him at 1.1. I feel like your all taking crazy pills! No one remembers this? You need me to find a link???

we don't. They know.

So did everyone not know that Bridgewater was black a few months ago when they had him top 5? Can you explain to me how, if racism means that Bridgewater is not going to go top 10, why he "was" top 10 a few months ago? DId he just turn black? What's the logic here?

yes because I said any of that

 

[MAC_32]

Gm's largely don't pay attention to any of these guys until the Sr. bowl. Coaches definitely do not. They are aware of them, but in a given week how much attention do they get? Maybe an hour or two in a meeting?

I have learned a lot the last couple of years by watching games while following Josh Norris, Eric Stoner, Sig, Waldman, Lance Zierlein, Nfl Philosophy, hawkeye game film, Matt Miller, Rumford Johnny, Eric Galko, DaneBrugler, Smart Football, Louis Riddick, John Middlekauff, and I'm sure others I'm forgetting. I don't see everything, and a lot of times they see things I don't that cause me to go back and watch, but a lot of times I see one thing and they see it too.

There is more than just the on the field product, but going into January I think I have a good feel for most of the top hundred prospects or so and select others later. Bridgewater is definitely one of them. If he checks out upstairs as reported then there really isn't much of anything that I have been exposed to that says he will fail. So, if you believe otherwise, tell me why.

so you have nothing to add. Got it.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Gm's largely don't pay attention to any of these guys until the Sr. bowl. Coaches definitely do not. They are aware of them, but in a given week how much attention do they get? Maybe an hour or two in a meeting?

I have learned a lot the last couple of years by watching games while following Josh Norris, Eric Stoner, Sig, Waldman, Lance Zierlein, Nfl Philosophy, hawkeye game film, Matt Miller, Rumford Johnny, Eric Galko, DaneBrugler, Smart Football, Louis Riddick, John Middlekauff, and I'm sure others I'm forgetting. I don't see everything, and a lot of times they see things I don't that cause me to go back and watch, but a lot of times I see one thing and they see it too.

There is more than just the on the field product, but going into January I think I have a good feel for most of the top hundred prospects or so and select others later. Bridgewater is definitely one of them. If he checks out upstairs as reported then there really isn't much of anything that I have been exposed to that says he will fail. So, if you believe otherwise, tell me why.

so you have nothing to add. Got it.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

I don't know how else to explain this to you. He isn't falling because the draft hasn't started yet.

 

[MDSkinner]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

I don't know how else to explain this to you. He isn't falling because the draft hasn't started yet.

I agree with what you are saying. But I think it is clear that he means that Bridgewaters draft "stock" is falling. Whether or not that is true is obviously arguable, since draft stock is a subjective thing and I am not aware of a factual universal draft stock existing (just what each of us has in our own minds, really). But you can argue that in most people's minds where he was expected to get drafted 6 months ago is higher than where he is expected to get drafted based on people's opinions today. Before it is all said and done he could still end up going first, it just seems less likely today than it did before the combine and pro days started.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

I don't know how else to explain this to you. He isn't falling because the draft hasn't started yet.

I agree with what you are saying. But I think it is clear that he means that Bridgewaters draft "stock" is falling. Whether or not that is true is obviously arguable, since draft stock is a subjective thing and I am not aware of a factual universal draft stock existing (just what each of us has in our own minds, really). But you can argue that in most people's minds where he was expected to get drafted 6 months ago is higher than where he is expected to get drafted based on people's opinions today. Before it is all said and done he could still end up going first, it just seems less likely today than it did before the combine and pro days started.

No it doesn't.

 

[MAC_32]

If decision makers are making decisions about qbs based on pro days and the combine then they won't need to worry about making decisions for much longer

 

[Gandalf]

Seriously? Are you guys forgetting history? Prior to his pro day many draft analysts had Bridgewater in the top 5 many had the Texans taking him at 1.1. I feel like your all taking crazy pills! No one remembers this? You need me to find a link???

we don't. They know.

So did everyone not know that Bridgewater was black a few months ago when they had him top 5? Can you explain to me how, if racism means that Bridgewater is not going to go top 10, why he "was" top 10 a few months ago? DId he just turn black? What's the logic here?

Um, what??? I did not, nor will I comment on racism affecting bridgewater's draft stock because I honestly have no idea. I mean I hope this isn't the case because that's terrible in the year 2014. And it's so stupid because if you pass on the best person for the job because of skin color then you are a loser. It's just that simple. And because you are a loser, you should be out of a job. Especially in the nfl where things are so competitive. But did you actually read my posts? I think his draft stock is falling because of his pro day. And I think this is a mistake. Bridgewater is really good.

 

[MDSkinner]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

I don't know how else to explain this to you. He isn't falling because the draft hasn't started yet.

I agree with what you are saying. But I think it is clear that he means that Bridgewaters draft "stock" is falling. Whether or not that is true is obviously arguable, since draft stock is a subjective thing and I am not aware of a factual universal draft stock existing (just what each of us has in our own minds, really). But you can argue that in most people's minds where he was expected to get drafted 6 months ago is higher than where he is expected to get drafted based on people's opinions today. Before it is all said and done he could still end up going first, it just seems less likely today than it did before the combine and pro days started.

No it doesn't.

Fair enough. It doesn't seem that way to you, it most definitely does to me.

 

[datonn]

^ Geez. 80% of what we read about draft prospects these last few weeks before the draft is either subterfuge or puffery. The only news that matters is draft prospects' health and/or legal status (no charges, behaving away from football).

Bridgewater isn't falling, because the draft hasn't started yet. And if you REALLY buy that Bridgwater's "draft stock" is falling, you must also acknowledge that a lot of NFL scouts also said he was never a top-five pick or their #1 QB to begin with. So was it "puffery" before? Folks saying he was all but a lock to go to HOU/JAX in the first round? Or is it "subterfuge" now...people saying he'll be the 3rd-4th (or later) QB off the board in MAYBE the 2nd round?

Only two correct answers to those questions: Yes, and Yes.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Seriously? Are you guys forgetting history? Prior to his pro day many draft analysts had Bridgewater in the top 5 many had the Texans taking him at 1.1. I feel like your all taking crazy pills! No one remembers this? You need me to find a link???

we don't. They know.

So did everyone not know that Bridgewater was black a few months ago when they had him top 5? Can you explain to me how, if racism means that Bridgewater is not going to go top 10, why he "was" top 10 a few months ago? DId he just turn black? What's the logic here?

Um, what??? I did not, nor will I comment on racism affecting bridgewater's draft stock because I honestly have no idea.

Then you're in the wrong thread.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

I don't know how else to explain this to you. He isn't falling because the draft hasn't started yet.

I agree with what you are saying. But I think it is clear that he means that Bridgewaters draft "stock" is falling. Whether or not that is true is obviously arguable, since draft stock is a subjective thing and I am not aware of a factual universal draft stock existing (just what each of us has in our own minds, really). But you can argue that in most people's minds where he was expected to get drafted 6 months ago is higher than where he is expected to get drafted based on people's opinions today. Before it is all said and done he could still end up going first, it just seems less likely today than it did before the combine and pro days started.

No it doesn't.

Fair enough. It doesn't seem that way to you, it most definitely does to me.

That's because you are buying into the stuff that the smokescreeners want you to. Why would you do that?

 

[Gandalf]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

I don't know how else to explain this to you. He isn't falling because the draft hasn't started yet.

I agree with what you are saying. But I think it is clear that he means that Bridgewaters draft "stock" is falling. Whether or not that is true is obviously arguable, since draft stock is a subjective thing and I am not aware of a factual universal draft stock existing (just what each of us has in our own minds, really). But you can argue that in most people's minds where he was expected to get drafted 6 months ago is higher than where he is expected to get drafted based on people's opinions today. Before it is all said and done he could still end up going first, it just seems less likely today than it did before the combine and pro days started.

No it doesn't.

Fair enough. It doesn't seem that way to you, it most definitely does to me.

That's because you are buying into the stuff that the smokescreeners want you to. Why would you do that?

Good point. Let's see where he actually goes on May 8

 

[MDSkinner]

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

It turns out he's falling for actual concerns about his ability.

He isn't falling. Your avatar is

He was a top 5 lock a few months ago now some people are speculating he will fall out of the first round.

I don't know how else to explain this to you. He isn't falling because the draft hasn't started yet.

I agree with what you are saying. But I think it is clear that he means that Bridgewaters draft "stock" is falling. Whether or not that is true is obviously arguable, since draft stock is a subjective thing and I am not aware of a factual universal draft stock existing (just what each of us has in our own minds, really). But you can argue that in most people's minds where he was expected to get drafted 6 months ago is higher than where he is expected to get drafted based on people's opinions today. Before it is all said and done he could still end up going first, it just seems less likely today than it did before the combine and pro days started.

No it doesn't.

Fair enough. It doesn't seem that way to you, it most definitely does to me.

That's because you are buying into the stuff that the smokescreeners want you to. Why would you do that?

Good question. I tend to be one who believes that where there is enough smoke that there is some fire somewhere. But I won't deny that it is quite possible that all the smoke is being purposefully generated by certain teams.

 

[fatness]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000342375/article/exbucs-gm-teddy-bridgewaters-stock-in-decline-before-pro-day?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cb

he says absolutely nothing of substance and does a great job showing why he failed as a gm.

I don't know anything about his history as a GM. But this is the total of what he said in the article, and it's vague and not very substantial at all.

Appearing on ESPN's "NFL Insiders," Dominik pointed to Bridgewater's tape at Louisville and said he began questioning Bridgewater's status as a potential franchise quarterback last year.

"There were things you saw on tape when you watched him," said Dominik, who was Bucs GM from 2009-13. "Something that scouts internally, we talked about it in Tampa with Teddy Bridgewater last year. Is he really the premiere quarterback? I like the young man, I think he's a quality individual, he's got character and leadership and those things. But this is a quarterback, and you're judged by what quarterback you draft, and I think Teddy Bridgewater might not have all the pieces you're looking for."

Dominik said Bridgewater's lack of size is a particular concern.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Those who do not like him cannot quantify why. He has shown everything you want of a starting qb and has all the intangibles too. You cannot win in the nfl unless you have a quality qb and there are several teams picking early in this draft that do not have a quality qb. If he were not second rate then he would be a shoe in at the top of the draft, and by all accounts before the last month or so, he was. The questions didn't begin to surface until those who don't pay attention to prospects until January started evaluating. I think it's pretty clear that until i see something indicating otherwise they are heavily weighing whatever they have been seeing the last couple of months and largely ignoring all the great things he did throughout college.

All of the tools are there...but he isn't Andrew Lucks size...he didn't workout well...he can be a little inconsistent with deep ball accuracy. If you can't work around that to build a quality starting qb then you shouldnt be coaching in the nfl. Not every prospect is Andrew Luck. There hadn't been one like him in 15 or 25 years, depending on who you ask.

Funny how you make the claim in red and then provide part of the "why" in blue.

 

[JamesTheScot]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000342375/article/exbucs-gm-teddy-bridgewaters-stock-in-decline-before-pro-day?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cb

he says absolutely nothing of substance and does a great job showing why he failed as a gm.

Most all information has some value (one way or the other).

We all get that you love Bridgewater.

And nothing will sway that for you.

And that's ok.

not my issue at all, if you don't like him, fine, tell me why. No one has. Not saying just here, but anywhere, Dominik would provide a great thesis for that too. He says absolutely nothing there.

Why did Russell Wilson fall to the third? Size. That's the only reason.

You are getting your reasons. You just don't like them.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Good question. I tend to be one who believes that where there is enough smoke that there is some fire somewhere. But I won't deny that it is quite possible that all the smoke is being purposefully generated by certain teams.

What if I told you that you don't need fire for there to be smoke?

 

[MAC_32]

Those who do not like him cannot quantify why. He has shown everything you want of a starting qb and has all the intangibles too. You cannot win in the nfl unless you have a quality qb and there are several teams picking early in this draft that do not have a quality qb. If he were not second rate then he would be a shoe in at the top of the draft, and by all accounts before the last month or so, he was. The questions didn't begin to surface until those who don't pay attention to prospects until January started evaluating. I think it's pretty clear that until i see something indicating otherwise they are heavily weighing whatever they have been seeing the last couple of months and largely ignoring all the great things he did throughout college.

All of the tools are there...but he isn't Andrew Lucks size...he didn't workout well...he can be a little inconsistent with deep ball accuracy. If you can't work around that to build a quality starting qb then you shouldnt be coaching in the nfl. Not every prospect is Andrew Luck. There hadn't been one like him in 15 or 25 years, depending on who you ask.

Funny how you make the claim in red and then provide part of the "why" in blue.

If you can't make a starting QB given those issues in blue then you have no business coaching in the NFL.

 

[MAC_32]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000342375/article/exbucs-gm-teddy-bridgewaters-stock-in-decline-before-pro-day?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cb

he says absolutely nothing of substance and does a great job showing why he failed as a gm.

Most all information has some value (one way or the other).

We all get that you love Bridgewater.

And nothing will sway that for you.

And that's ok.

not my issue at all, if you don't like him, fine, tell me why. No one has. Not saying just here, but anywhere, Dominik would provide a great thesis for that too. He says absolutely nothing there.

Why did Russell Wilson fall to the third? Size. That's the only reason.

You are getting your reasons. You just don't like them.

6'2 214 is not a size issue.

Can he play?

 

[B-Deep]

mac

who is your #97 prospect, and tell me a bit about him

tia

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Those who do not like him cannot quantify why. He has shown everything you want of a starting qb and has all the intangibles too. You cannot win in the nfl unless you have a quality qb and there are several teams picking early in this draft that do not have a quality qb. If he were not second rate then he would be a shoe in at the top of the draft, and by all accounts before the last month or so, he was. The questions didn't begin to surface until those who don't pay attention to prospects until January started evaluating. I think it's pretty clear that until i see something indicating otherwise they are heavily weighing whatever they have been seeing the last couple of months and largely ignoring all the great things he did throughout college.

All of the tools are there...but he isn't Andrew Lucks size...he didn't workout well...he can be a little inconsistent with deep ball accuracy. If you can't work around that to build a quality starting qb then you shouldnt be coaching in the nfl. Not every prospect is Andrew Luck. There hadn't been one like him in 15 or 25 years, depending on who you ask.

Funny how you make the claim in red and then provide part of the "why" in blue.

If you can't make a starting QB given those issues in blue then you have no business coaching in the NFL.

I'm still waiting for you to list all the quality attributes that make Bridgewater an elite, cant-miss prospect.

Hell your paragraph describes A.J. McCarron. How come you're not losing your mind about him dropping out of the top 5?

 

[MAC_32]

Those who do not like him cannot quantify why. He has shown everything you want of a starting qb and has all the intangibles too. You cannot win in the nfl unless you have a quality qb and there are several teams picking early in this draft that do not have a quality qb. If he were not second rate then he would be a shoe in at the top of the draft, and by all accounts before the last month or so, he was. The questions didn't begin to surface until those who don't pay attention to prospects until January started evaluating. I think it's pretty clear that until i see something indicating otherwise they are heavily weighing whatever they have been seeing the last couple of months and largely ignoring all the great things he did throughout college.

All of the tools are there...but he isn't Andrew Lucks size...he didn't workout well...he can be a little inconsistent with deep ball accuracy. If you can't work around that to build a quality starting qb then you shouldnt be coaching in the nfl. Not every prospect is Andrew Luck. There hadn't been one like him in 15 or 25 years, depending on who you ask.

Funny how you make the claim in red and then provide part of the "why" in blue.

If you can't make a starting QB given those issues in blue then you have no business coaching in the NFL.

I'm still waiting for you to list all the quality attributes that make Bridgewater an elite, cant-miss prospect.

Hell your paragraph describes A.J. McCarron. How come you're not losing your mind about him dropping out of the top 5?

Bridgewater's tape displays a much greater skill set than McCarron, who worked primarily within the constraints of his offense. His accuracy inside 20 yards on every throw is at an elite level. His pocket presence is that of a veteran. By all accounts his football IQ, leadership (in the huddle, in the locker room, etc.) is too. He has plenty of speed to burn, but does not use it. He does use it very well in the pocket, escaping the rush by a variety of methods - stepping up in the pocket...rolling left...rolling right - always keeping his eyes down field. He doesn't just make rythym passes like McCarron - his high level of accuracy is on display regardless of the circumstances. When he makes a big play his demeanor doesn't change. His mentality goes immediately to the next play instead of celebrating what he just accomplished. Similar story when he takes a big hit. Often times after a big hit, or several, QB's get skiddish. Maybe not every play, but sometimes? especially when the rush is there and a WR is not? Absolutely. Never saw it from Bridgewater. He took some pretty big punishment behind a shoddy o line in Louisville yet consistently came back fighting. Can't teach that sorta toughness. He does a very good job going down field inside the hash marks, but outside has been an issue. Read one opinion recently that indicated he needs to pick a spot and throw to it on those go routes that he too often misses. He inferred that via his tape study Bridgewater's issue is he tries to throw it to where he thinks the WR will be rather than that spot and that's what gets him into trouble. I think the theory makes sense.

 

[LawFitz]

Those who do not like him cannot quantify why. He has shown everything you want of a starting qb and has all the intangibles too. You cannot win in the nfl unless you have a quality qb and there are several teams picking early in this draft that do not have a quality qb. If he were not second rate then he would be a shoe in at the top of the draft, and by all accounts before the last month or so, he was. The questions didn't begin to surface until those who don't pay attention to prospects until January started evaluating. I think it's pretty clear that until i see something indicating otherwise they are heavily weighing whatever they have been seeing the last couple of months and largely ignoring all the great things he did throughout college.

All of the tools are there...but he isn't Andrew Lucks size...he didn't workout well...he can be a little inconsistent with deep ball accuracy. If you can't work around that to build a quality starting qb then you shouldnt be coaching in the nfl. Not every prospect is Andrew Luck. There hadn't been one like him in 15 or 25 years, depending on who you ask.

Funny how you make the claim in red and then provide part of the "why" in blue.

If you can't make a starting QB given those issues in blue then you have no business coaching in the NFL.

I'm still waiting for you to list all the quality attributes that make Bridgewater an elite, cant-miss prospect.

Hell your paragraph describes A.J. McCarron. How come you're not losing your mind about him dropping out of the top 5?

Bridgewater's tape displays a much greater skill set than McCarron, who worked primarily within the constraints of his offense. His accuracy inside 20 yards on every throw is at an elite level. His pocket presence is that of a veteran. By all accounts his football IQ, leadership (in the huddle, in the locker room, etc.) is too. He has plenty of speed to burn, but does not use it. He does use it very well in the pocket, escaping the rush by a variety of methods - stepping up in the pocket...rolling left...rolling right - always keeping his eyes down field. He doesn't just make rythym passes like McCarron - his high level of accuracy is on display regardless of the circumstances. When he makes a big play his demeanor doesn't change. His mentality goes immediately to the next play instead of celebrating what he just accomplished. Similar story when he takes a big hit. Often times after a big hit, or several, QB's get skiddish. Maybe not every play, but sometimes? especially when the rush is there and a WR is not? Absolutely. Never saw it from Bridgewater. He took some pretty big punishment behind a shoddy o line in Louisville yet consistently came back fighting. Can't teach that sorta toughness. He does a very good job going down field inside the hash marks, but outside has been an issue. Read one opinion recently that indicated he needs to pick a spot and throw to it on those go routes that he too often misses. He inferred that via his tape study Bridgewater's issue is he tries to throw it to where he thinks the WR will be rather than that spot and that's what gets him into trouble. I think the theory makes sense.

Good post. TB is an elite decision maker, at least as far as college QBs go. His ability to read and react to exotic defensive looks is leaps and bounds ahead of every other QB prospect in this year's draft.

Concerns about his size are way overblown. He's a legit 6'2.5''. How much weight did you gain after the age of 21??? This guy doesn't have his grown man body yet. He will eventually.

 

[MDSkinner]

Good question. I tend to be one who believes that where there is enough smoke that there is some fire somewhere. But I won't deny that it is quite possible that all the smoke is being purposefully generated by certain teams.

What if I told you that you don't need fire for there to be smoke?

Certainly true but it comes down to what you choose to believe in a case like this. There are a lot of sides of it, the extremes being that Bridgewater is all washed up and that all of the smoke is real or that Bridgewater is fantastic and it is all smokescreens. I am guessing that as is true with most things that the truth lies somewhere in the middle and because of that I would imagine that he will not end up being the first pick in the draft. I doubt very much that he falls out of the first round, but I think it is more likely that he falls out of the first round than that he gets taken first overall. Just my own speculation and it is based on a whole lot of stuff that could be all smokescreen, some smokescreen, or all truth. Obviously we will find out in the draft. I am interested to see where he goes and probably even more so now because of this thread.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Good question. I tend to be one who believes that where there is enough smoke that there is some fire somewhere. But I won't deny that it is quite possible that all the smoke is being purposefully generated by certain teams.

What if I told you that you don't need fire for there to be smoke?

Certainly true but it comes down to what you choose to believe in a case like this. There are a lot of sides of it, the extremes being that Bridgewater is all washed up and that all of the smoke is real or that Bridgewater is fantastic and it is all smokescreens. I am guessing that as is true with most things that the truth lies somewhere in the middle and because of that I would imagine that he will not end up being the first pick in the draft. I doubt very much that he falls out of the first round, but I think it is more likely that he falls out of the first round than that he gets taken first overall. Just my own speculation and it is based on a whole lot of stuff that could be all smokescreen, some smokescreen, or all truth. Obviously we will find out in the draft. I am interested to see where he goes and probably even more so now because of this thread.

I hope he goes 1st overall because I want racism to end. Maybe that was Waldman's vision all along?

 

[yellowdog]

NFL talent evaluators and decision makers having a different opinion than draft analysts and internet wannabe GMs DOES NOT = draft stock falling.