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Matt Waldman: 75% chance Bridgwater falls due to racism (2 Viewers)
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Yes. From what I'm reading, that lawsuit was unanimously rejected by a jury, at which time racial components had been dropped and it was strictly based on age discrimination. I'm loathe to defend Sterling, who should have been thrown out of the league years ago if for no other reason than incompetence, but there's no evidence he's filling coach/executive positions or roster spots based on race IMO.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
So what you guys at FBG are saying is that if Bridgewater falls in the draft, then the owners that did not pick him are racists in any other business they run besides football?
jurb26
Footballguy
So what? This is about race impacting NFL decisions, which there is still no backing for.
John 14:6
Jesus is Lord!
He'll lower that when he finds out my wife is blackMatt Waldman just wrote an article saying "There is a 63% chance John 14:6 is racist".That was fast!
RBM
Footballguy
Wait wait wait. Waldman thinks Sterling is helping his case????? WTF?!?!?Matt Waldman @MattWaldman 6m
I'd thank you for adding to the case files Donald Sterling, but I really wish you hadn't. Rather have folks tell me I'm in left field.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
He might think it's just a cover though!He'll lower that when he finds out my wife is blackMatt Waldman just wrote an article saying "There is a 63% chance John 14:6 is racist".
John 14:6
Jesus is Lord!
Yeah, I'm sure it'll still be over 50%.He might think it's just a cover though!He'll lower that when he finds out my wife is blackMatt Waldman just wrote an article saying "There is a 63% chance John 14:6 is racist".
CoachJankySpanky
Footballguy
Waldman's race comment concerning Bridgewater was nothing but idiotic and full of nonsense. The fact he isn't man enough to either support his comment with facts or apologize for it pretty much puts him in the Donald Sterling category of people for me. And that combined with his below average history of evaluating QBs just confirms he is trying to sell a product Jerry Springer style instead of with real football knowledge.
I agree. I lost all respect for the guy. Now I'm going to leave my work clothes in the middle of the living room floor and wear my pajamas inside out in protest.
I agree. I lost all respect for the guy. Now I'm going to leave my work clothes in the middle of the living room floor and wear my pajamas inside out in protest.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
No, I can understand the point he was trying to make, whether or not I agree with his original premise.
Neofight
Footballguy
The tweet made no point.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Great call Waldorf.Ramblin Wreck said:Matt Waldman @MattWaldman 6m
I'd thank you for adding to the case files Donald Sterling, but I really wish you hadn't. Rather have folks tell me I'm in left field.
Same Clippers that took a mixed ethnicity, but black superstar #1 overall in Blake Griffin. Gave him 16m a season / 90m+ guaranteed
Same Clippers that signed Chris Paul for 18m a season / 83m+ guaranteed
Same Clippers that gave DeAndre Jordan 10m+ a season.
Top 3 earners. All black.
You're in left field... that's for sure.
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fatness
Footballguy
ICON211
Footballguy
We are talking about if Teddy Bridgewater will fall due to racism in here. What is more relevant, how he runs the Clippers or how he runs his apartment complexes? We have a racist man that owns an NBA franchise that has hired a black GM, black head coach and the team is almost all black. In this situation, despite the owner being a racist, he has employed African Americans in the most important positions because they were the men that would enable his team to have a better chance of winning (and him to earn more money). How does that support that Bridgewater may fall due to racism? Am I missing something here?Sigmund Bloom said:
jurb26
Footballguy
It seems to actually totally debunk the statement and notion that race plays an issue in making decisions. We now have a KNOWN racist who isn't allowing his racism and prejudice effect his actual business decisions as it applies to his team. Yet here we are with people still supporting this clam, 14 pages in, with no actual backing what so ever. Maybe there is some truth to it, I don't know. All I know is it hasn't been provided in the least.
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
I think he's in the bleachers now.Great call Waldorf.Ramblin Wreck said:Matt Waldman @MattWaldman 6m
I'd thank you for adding to the case files Donald Sterling, but I really wish you hadn't. Rather have folks tell me I'm in left field.
Same Clippers that took a mixed ethnicity, but black superstar #1 overall in Blake Griffin. Gave him 16m a season / 90m+ guaranteed
Same Clippers that signed Chris Paul for 18m a season / 83m+ guaranteed
Same Clippers that gave DeAndre Jordan 10m+ a season.
Top 3 earners. All black.
You're in left field... that's for sure.
GridironMenace
Footballguy
From your article:
"Baylor sued Sterling and others in February 2009 in L.A. Superior Court for wrongful termination and discrimination on the basis of age and race. Baylor, who spent 22 years as Clippers general manager before departing in 2008, later dropped the race accusation. A jury ruled in favor of Sterling in March 2011."
GridironMenace
Footballguy
Not sure what this has to do with race in sports.Sigmund Bloom said:
Again, from your article: "In court filings, Justice Department lawyers presented evidence that the Sterlings made statements “indicating that African Americans and Hispanics were not desirable tenants and that they preferred Korean tenants” occupy buildings they owned in Koreatown."
He wants to rent to Koreans. Koreans aren't white. So he clearly isn't a white power type of guy. While he was dead wrong about what he did, it seems to me that money is his #1 priority. He probably had black/hispanic tenants in the past and they left his building in ####ty condition and would rather rent to Koreans because they may be more respectful to his property. It's a business decision, not a racial decision. Back to sports, if he felt like a black GM (cough Baylor) is going to help him win games and make money, then he's got the job. He stuck with him for 22 years. He hired Dunleavy (white guy) as GM 2009 and fired his a$$ in 2010. It's all about money, not race. with his businesses.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Ahhh, the classic switch. Evidence doesn't support a baseless bold claim, so the target is changed to something much more overt and egregious - never mind that it's completely unrelated except in the most vague way. And this is supposed to provide some kind of proof of the original baseless contention.
The "Look, Squirrel!" Tactic.
The "Look, Squirrel!" Tactic.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
This is what you do when you can't support your position. Attack the opposing person. Thank you Sal Alinski.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I hope McCarron gets drafted before Bridgewater just for the hilarity of the next rant
Texasmouth
Footballguy
100% chance Bridgewater falls because he was overhyped, played in a weak conference and wasnt as good as expected.
Has nothing to do with race. He just isnt that good.
I will make the case that the guy is NEVER as good as the expectations that were set for him. I see him as a project guy and not much better than a Colt McCoy or Terrell Pryor.
Has nothing to do with race. He just isnt that good.
I will make the case that the guy is NEVER as good as the expectations that were set for him. I see him as a project guy and not much better than a Colt McCoy or Terrell Pryor.
Cato
Footballguy
If he falls or doesn't fall, I don't understand how we separate this from an assessment of his football ability. Which in theory the draft supposedly does.
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He may or may not get drafted higher or lower if he wears red shoes or purple socks, but any attempt to distinguish this from the NFL assessment of his football ability would be establishing correlation, and nothing more.
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Jamarcus Russell/Ryan Leaf are equally bad. Cam Newton/Matthew Stafford are equally good.
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If Cam Newton were drafted in the 3rd round and went on to take the NFL by storm, that might be something. Small sample size though. And eventually teams that want to win, will correct and just draft players on perceived ability? Pretty sure teams like to win, and fans pay to see winning teams.
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I am not sure the data can be isolated to move past a correlation conjecture.
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He may or may not get drafted higher or lower if he wears red shoes or purple socks, but any attempt to distinguish this from the NFL assessment of his football ability would be establishing correlation, and nothing more.
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Jamarcus Russell/Ryan Leaf are equally bad. Cam Newton/Matthew Stafford are equally good.
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If Cam Newton were drafted in the 3rd round and went on to take the NFL by storm, that might be something. Small sample size though. And eventually teams that want to win, will correct and just draft players on perceived ability? Pretty sure teams like to win, and fans pay to see winning teams.
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I am not sure the data can be isolated to move past a correlation conjecture.
Bass, if this was most other posters, it would just be deleted and we'd move on. But I think you're WAY smarter than this.
Two things. Do you even remotely mean this?
And if so, explain in detail how you are saying Matt is like Sterling.
J
Yes I did mean it, but maybe not the way you read it. I will explain in detail later, but I'm heading out the door for a run before the storms hit.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Baylor had 2 winning seasons and a 605-1143 overall record as GM in 22 years despite having high draft picks year after year. Baylor was widely regarded as a horrible GM yet somehow kept his job for 22 years..
Then Sterling screws Dunleavy and did not want to pay him. Sterling is just a ruthless bastord regardless of race.
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For those new to the thread, here's what Matt said (emphasis not mine):
Back to Waldman:
Bloom then told some story about some draft reporter saying he heard that Bridgewater that he didn’t do well in interviews, and isn’t surrounding himself with the right people (someone named Eric). The implication here too was that Bridgewater is being “nitpicked,” as Waldman would call it, which is shorthand for racism. “I think the subtext is there,” Bloom said. So he’s on board too.
Back to Waldman:
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As someone posted above, I don't want to look like I am defending Sterling, but that article if you actually read it sure seems to back Sterling more than Baylor. That sure seemed more like a disgruntled former employee who is using their race to try and get a settlement. Who keeps someone on board 22 years when they despise the race of that person? Why would a HOF player stay working for someone for 22 years that he feels is a racist?
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Joe,
Respectfully BnB is right on target. Waldman played the race card with absolutely nothing factual to support it. The evidence I posted earlier soundly refutes his ridiculous assertion. Then he follows that up with the asinine tweet about Sterling indicating it supports his point when it is in fact almost wholly unrelated.
Further, this is a guy on your staff, and he is using your site to market his product. Just like we expect the NBA to hold Sterling responsible and accountable for his absurd remarks, there is an expectation from some of those here that you have a similar responsibility to rein in what are also racist allegations by Waldman. As far as I am concerned, you can do or not do what you want about it , but I do believe it affects the public image of this site - so you will get those who feel strongly about it and will post accordingly. Given what a firebrand Waldman had chosen to make himself , you quite frankly ought to expect it.
John 14:6
Jesus is Lord!
And so what Waldman is saying is that if Bridgewater falls, it's because there are several NFL GMs who are EVEN MORE racist than Sterling...
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Last 10 years of Clippers 1st Round Draft Picks:
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Black
Black
Black
Black
Black
Black
White
Black
8 black. 2 white.
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This is too easy. The most racist owner in sports, and that's his first round draft history in the last 10 years (all of which were EARLY picks, due to being such a #### team)
Oh, Waldman.... you are so #leftfield
Black
White
Black
Black
Black
Black
Black
Black
White
Black
8 black. 2 white.
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This is too easy. The most racist owner in sports, and that's his first round draft history in the last 10 years (all of which were EARLY picks, due to being such a #### team)
Oh, Waldman.... you are so #leftfield
HellToupee
Footballguy
I must say I'm shocked at how the FBG wagons a being circled tight on this subject.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Waldmans article is an opinion based, not a fact based article. There is a difference. Given the NFLs drafting habits over the last decade I think the opinion is incorrect.
Where he came up with the 75% number..who knows?
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John 14:6
Jesus is Lord!
Blake Griffin is half black, half white...
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Reading the comments are just as bad as when I heard them. It's idiotic at best. Geno Smith doesn't sound like someone you want at a Country Club dinner? WTF does that mean? Did JaMarcus Russell? Does Cam Newton? Did Ryan Leaf? The whole discussion about race and draft position is just idiotic. I can't think of a better word to use.
I'm glad Bloom re-posted Matt's comments. When you read them they are all over the place from the sense that he makes accusations but then hedges the statement time and time again. Best summary I can come up with is that there's a 75% Bridgewater falls out of the top 10 and it would be because of how he looks/acts/talks (inferring that he is black). He goes on to state how poorly some NFL organizations are run and how owners are particular about the face of their franchise.
1. Matt didn't back up any of his opinions with any facts. Many posters here have brought up example after example of race making no impact on where a QB is being selected in this day and age. Matt may belief that NFL owners and GMs are racist at the core and I'm not going to argue with him about that. However that is not Matt's primary premise, he is suggesting that owners and GMs are basing draft selections based on race which is an entirely different premise.
2. Matt then goes on to say that Sterling has added to his case. Actually Sterling has done just the opposite based on his NBA hiring and draft selections. Sterling may be the biggest racist around, but his NBA business decisions suggest that race isn't a factor in the operation of the franchise. I'm equating Matt to Sterling based on the fact that both have made moronic statements with no basis in fact. Also while Sterling's comments like Matt's are their opinions, they both reflect poorly upon the organizations they are associated with. Matt is so anxious to latch onto any racist behavior that he rushes to speak or tweet before he even considers that said example undermines his position.
3. Interestingly enough, I had no idea Bridgewater was black until Matt brought it up. I'd never seen it referenced in a FBG post or a draft analysis. I didn't watch a lot of Louisville football and never really noticed his skin color in the highlights.
J - I don't know how prevalent the thoughts above are, but hopefully you see how Matt's comments reflect upon the FBG organization. For the most part you and your staff have done an excellent job focusing on football and staying away from weaving social, political, religious commentary into your football analysis. Even if you or the staff were to do this, I suspect that you would at least attempt to back up commentary with some actually facts.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
In my opinion, we are discussing two entirely different topics here when Sterling is interjected into this discussion - and unfortunately it's obvious by Waldman's comment that he cannot distinguish between the two. It's just as unfortunate that he chose to race bait while performing duties as an alleged draft expert, which takes the allegation to a higher level since he elected to tap into his profession to further enhance his credibility.
Sterling is a matter of an individual being a racist and displaying those feelings privately. The initial topic is Waldman's opinion that the NFL is institutionally racist enough that there is a strong possibility that numerous teams will allow a QB to drop through a portion of the draft despite his superior talent for the exclusive reason that those teams don't want a black person playing QB, and doing so acting professionally.
The first is true and IMO is repugnant on the part of Sterling. The second is patently and provably false and is repugnant on the part of Waldman. However, they are very different concepts in that an individual is allegedly racist - which is provably true - and speaking to his concubine; and that an institution engages in racist employment practices regarding a specific job description - and which is provably false. Because Waldman chose to enter into the discussion while acting as a professional, it further erodes whatever credibility he has.
It's particularly unfortunate that the two issues have become entangled, intentionally so as to provide cover for Waldman as he is exposed for the falsehood of the initial premise. Both topics deserve discussion, but - again, IMO - are very, very different. We ought to keep our eye upon the ball and not fall for the misdirection.
Sterling is a matter of an individual being a racist and displaying those feelings privately. The initial topic is Waldman's opinion that the NFL is institutionally racist enough that there is a strong possibility that numerous teams will allow a QB to drop through a portion of the draft despite his superior talent for the exclusive reason that those teams don't want a black person playing QB, and doing so acting professionally.
The first is true and IMO is repugnant on the part of Sterling. The second is patently and provably false and is repugnant on the part of Waldman. However, they are very different concepts in that an individual is allegedly racist - which is provably true - and speaking to his concubine; and that an institution engages in racist employment practices regarding a specific job description - and which is provably false. Because Waldman chose to enter into the discussion while acting as a professional, it further erodes whatever credibility he has.
It's particularly unfortunate that the two issues have become entangled, intentionally so as to provide cover for Waldman as he is exposed for the falsehood of the initial premise. Both topics deserve discussion, but - again, IMO - are very, very different. We ought to keep our eye upon the ball and not fall for the misdirection.
Gandalf the Grey
Footballguy
Bronco Billy is Pony Boy, a LONG time poster here. His views on this are not at all surprising if you've read him in the past.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Actually Pony Boy is Bronco Billy - who was here before this site became FBGs (cheatsheets.net) - and neither one clouds the facts of this matter. Not sure why you think the information in your response is in any way pertinent.
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