Matthew Stafford, QB, Detroit Lions (1 Viewer)

[drfeelgood]

1500 yards/12 TD/8 INT

I love these bumps.

You sure are in a good mood, for you know... LOSING.

Do you ever stop being a tool?

I bet you could use a hug.

You are a juvenile troll in almost every thread you post in. Do you think it makes you look cool? I just don't relate to someone who constantly acts like a tool on a daily basis.

 

[Ilov80s]

Here is an interesting note, Stafford is the youngest starting QB in this years playoffs, younger than Yates, Dalton and Tebow.

 

[AmosMoses]

1500 yards/12 TD/8 INT

I love these bumps.

You sure are in a good mood, for you know... LOSING.

Do you ever stop being a tool?

I bet you could use a hug.

You are a juvenile troll in almost every thread you post in. Do you think it makes you look cool? I just don't relate to someone who constantly acts like a tool on a daily basis.

Don't be mad, baby.

 

[FF Ninja]

Lots of guppies patting themselves on the back. Every spotlight is like a stock market forum, full of pumpers who don't know much about the company but are bullish that the stock will jump 200% in the next month. Then there is the realist who does the research and reports that the odds are against that happening and all the pumpers flip out on him and say he's dumb. Then one of those stocks go through the roof and the pumpers think they are brilliant. In the long term these guys end up losing all their money due to gambling on stocks like BPAX, and while the wise investor may miss out on a hit here and there he ends up with a solid portfolio.

So dump on me all you want, but I'm right way more than I'm wrong. And I do this using my head and not my gut. Do I get irritated with all the posts pumping a guy without any real analysis? Yes. Do I get condescending? Yes. The majority of people in here aren't good at looking at numbers or any sort of analysis, but they've all go strong opinions. It's like a room full of Shannon Sharpes. I've got a lot better things to do than read opinions of the uninformed and my irritation shows. I'll still throw out my analysis when I've got the time in the hope for a counterpoint from someone with something more to say than "I've watched all his games since college. He'll be a stud." I'm probably in the wrong place for that, though. So continue to talk smack. Maybe I'll get sick of it and you'll be left with a forum full of people with nothing worthwhile to add, but who will all agree that every player is ready to blow up this year. Then when you lose your league you'll at least be able to bump a couple threads in week 17 and say how smart you all are.

Yes, everyone who thought Stafford was going to have a good year is some kind of dumb serial gambler??? The logic wasn't there. They were just pumping the hype.

Yeah, you show em!!! It's you against the world!

Again, I am simply attempting to defend my stance against a bunch of turds who just want to band together and talk smack because it makes them feel like winners. If that's your thing then continue to twist my responses. Maybe you need a moral victory on a message board.

Dude, you were wrong, all of us get our predictions wrong, is it really necessary to post a diatribe? When the rest us dummies are wrong, it's not a big deal. Most (reasonable) people just say, "Damn, I missed that one" and move on. But when you're wrong I guess it's end of the world...

Yes, in the end I was wrong and these pumpers hit one, but not because it went as planned. No one thought the defense would actually be terrible this year, the run game would be an afterthought, and that Stafford would throw the ball more than any other NFL QB. It took a perfect storm for the hype to pan out statistically. Should I not point that out? Essentially the pumpers were aiming for a side pocket, missed it but bounced it into a corner pocket. It still counts in fantasy football, but it isn't exactly something worth bragging about or dogging on someone who said that ball wasn't going in the side pocket. I did actually say Stafford was going to need to throw the ball a ton to make an impact. I just didn't think that was going to happen with the drafting of LeShoure and emphasis on the defense. I'll gladly admit that didn't pan out, but I'm still going to at least defend my stance when some tools bump an old post and talk ####. Anything less would seem a bit cowardly.

Also,

Some responses above. Anyone interested in speculating on 2012 for Stafford and the Lions? How many passes are you expecting? Gotta expect more out of the run game with Kevin Smith, LeShoure, and Best all available. Even those who had him this year must be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year.A few other interesting offseason players worth discussing, IMO:

Brandon Lloyd

Marshawn Lynch

Michael Bush

Peyton Hillis

 

[meanjoegreen]

Gotta expect more out of the run game with Kevin Smith, LeShoure, and Best all available. Even those who had him this year must be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year.

Why would people be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year? Being able to run the ball helps the passing game.

 

[FF Ninja]

Gotta expect more out of the run game with Kevin Smith, LeShoure, and Best all available. Even those who had him this year must be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year.

Why would people be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year? Being able to run the ball helps the passing game.

A running game would mean less passes. It also runs the clock out so it means less plays. Stafford will come at a premium next year and he'll need a lot of passing attempts to put up the stats to justify his draft slot. The Lions were #1 in passing attempts and #31 in running attempts. They scored 41 passing TDs and only 9 rushing TDs. Also, this "being able to run the ball helps the passing game" is overblown. When you can punch it in at the goal line, you aren't going to be throwing as many touchdowns. Schaub's TDs went down as we were able to turn to Foster at the goal line. As our defense got better, Schaub's attempts decreased quite a bit, too. His ypa did increase, so the idea is true, but from a fantasy perspective the increase in ypa did not offset the decreased attempts.

 

[E_Smith]

Gotta expect more out of the run game with Kevin Smith, LeShoure, and Best all available. Even those who had him this year must be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year.

Why would people be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year? Being able to run the ball helps the passing game.

A running game would mean less passes. It also runs the clock out so it means less plays. Stafford will come at a premium next year and he'll need a lot of passing attempts to put up the stats to justify his draft slot. The Lions were #1 in passing attempts and #31 in running attempts. They scored 41 passing TDs and only 9 rushing TDs. Also, this "being able to run the ball helps the passing game" is overblown. When you can punch it in at the goal line, you aren't going to be throwing as many touchdowns. Schaub's TDs went down as we were able to turn to Foster at the goal line. As our defense got better, Schaub's attempts decreased quite a bit, too. His ypa did increase, so the idea is true, but from a fantasy perspective the increase in ypa did not offset the decreased attempts.

This may be true, but the same could be said of other stud QBs (people were saying the same thing of Brees this year w/ their rushing attack, which although solid this year did not do anything to Brees' production), who may regress to the mean as well. Also, looking at the injury prone stable of RBs the Lions have, would you bet on their running game or passing game?

 

[meanjoegreen]

Gotta expect more out of the run game with Kevin Smith, LeShoure, and Best all available. Even those who had him this year must be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year.

Why would people be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year? Being able to run the ball helps the passing game.

A running game would mean less passes. It also runs the clock out so it means less plays. Stafford will come at a premium next year and he'll need a lot of passing attempts to put up the stats to justify his draft slot. The Lions were #1 in passing attempts and #31 in running attempts. They scored 41 passing TDs and only 9 rushing TDs. Also, this "being able to run the ball helps the passing game" is overblown. When you can punch it in at the goal line, you aren't going to be throwing as many touchdowns. Schaub's TDs went down as we were able to turn to Foster at the goal line. As our defense got better, Schaub's attempts decreased quite a bit, too. His ypa did increase, so the idea is true, but from a fantasy perspective the increase in ypa did not offset the decreased attempts.

Why do you even bring Stafford up at this point? You have already said in this thread that you think he is an average QB. You even insulted people who drafted him.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Gotta expect more out of the run game with Kevin Smith, LeShoure, and Best all available. Even those who had him this year must be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year.

Why would people be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year? Being able to run the ball helps the passing game.

A running game would mean less passes. It also runs the clock out so it means less plays. Stafford will come at a premium next year and he'll need a lot of passing attempts to put up the stats to justify his draft slot. The Lions were #1 in passing attempts and #31 in running attempts. They scored 41 passing TDs and only 9 rushing TDs. Also, this "being able to run the ball helps the passing game" is overblown. When you can punch it in at the goal line, you aren't going to be throwing as many touchdowns. Schaub's TDs went down as we were able to turn to Foster at the goal line. As our defense got better, Schaub's attempts decreased quite a bit, too. His ypa did increase, so the idea is true, but from a fantasy perspective the increase in ypa did not offset the decreased attempts.

Why do you even bring Stafford up at this point? You have already said in this thread that you think he is an average QB. You even insulted people who drafted him.

An even better question is why anyone would take his advice after he was proven so wrong.

 

[jurb26]

Gotta expect more out of the run game with Kevin Smith, LeShoure, and Best all available. Even those who had him this year must be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year.

Why would people be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year? Being able to run the ball helps the passing game.

A running game would mean less passes. It also runs the clock out so it means less plays. Stafford will come at a premium next year and he'll need a lot of passing attempts to put up the stats to justify his draft slot. The Lions were #1 in passing attempts and #31 in running attempts. They scored 41 passing TDs and only 9 rushing TDs. Also, this "being able to run the ball helps the passing game" is overblown. When you can punch it in at the goal line, you aren't going to be throwing as many touchdowns. Schaub's TDs went down as we were able to turn to Foster at the goal line. As our defense got better, Schaub's attempts decreased quite a bit, too. His ypa did increase, so the idea is true, but from a fantasy perspective the increase in ypa did not offset the decreased attempts.

Why do you even bring Stafford up at this point? You have already said in this thread that you think he is an average QB. You even insulted people who drafted him.

An even better question is why anyone would take his advice after he was proven so wrong.

Though I must admit I'm finding great comedy in seeing this train wreck of a cover up continue.

 

[FF Ninja]

Why do you even bring Stafford up at this point? You have already said in this thread that you think he is an average QB. You even insulted people who drafted him.

If the thread is going to be bumped, might as well talk about it. And did you even read page 1? I did not insult anyone who drafted him. I simply said the pumpers were blind to logic. People were saying the run game and defense were going to help Stafford. I was just trying to point out that a running game and solid defense have help Joe Flacco win games, but they've hurt his fantasy production and that's what this is about. It turns out, the hype train was wrong - the Detroit run game became an afterthought and the defense was terrible, which led to a ton of attempts and desperation jump balls to Calvin Johnson which inflated his fantasy totals. To put this in perspective just from a touchdown standpoint, Schaub and Flacco (guys with good running games and good defenses) threw the ball 834 times this year and only had 1 touchdown that was 3 yards or less. Stafford threw the ball 663 times and had 9 touchdown passes of 3 yards or less. Running games are not good for fantasy QB production.

 

[jurb26]

Why do you even bring Stafford up at this point? You have already said in this thread that you think he is an average QB. You even insulted people who drafted him.

If the thread is going to be bumped, might as well talk about it. And did you even read page 1? I did not insult anyone who drafted him. I simply said the pumpers were blind to logic. People were saying the run game and defense were going to help Stafford. I was just trying to point out that a running game and solid defense have help Joe Flacco win games, but they've hurt his fantasy production and that's what this is about. It turns out, the hype train was wrong - the Detroit run game became an afterthought and the defense was terrible, which led to a ton of attempts and desperation jump balls to Calvin Johnson which inflated his fantasy totals. To put this in perspective just from a touchdown standpoint, Schaub and Flacco (guys with good running games and good defenses) threw the ball 834 times this year and only had 1 touchdown that was 3 yards or less. Stafford threw the ball 663 times and had 9 touchdown passes of 3 yards or less. Running games are not good for fantasy QB production.

In my main league, where I owned Stafford. He could have thrown for 13.5 less TDs this year and still been in the top 5 of QBs.

 

[omally]

Why do you even bring Stafford up at this point? You have already said in this thread that you think he is an average QB. You even insulted people who drafted him.

If the thread is going to be bumped, might as well talk about it. And did you even read page 1? I did not insult anyone who drafted him.

The same people who drafted Stafford are the people who ignore all the warning signs and draft with the hype

 

[whoknew]

Gotta expect more out of the run game with Kevin Smith, LeShoure, and Best all available. Even those who had him this year must be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year.

Why would people be a little bit afraid to draft him in the top 5 next year? Being able to run the ball helps the passing game.

A running game would mean less passes. It also runs the clock out so it means less plays. Stafford will come at a premium next year and he'll need a lot of passing attempts to put up the stats to justify his draft slot. The Lions were #1 in passing attempts and #31 in running attempts. They scored 41 passing TDs and only 9 rushing TDs. Also, this "being able to run the ball helps the passing game" is overblown. When you can punch it in at the goal line, you aren't going to be throwing as many touchdowns. Schaub's TDs went down as we were able to turn to Foster at the goal line. As our defense got better, Schaub's attempts decreased quite a bit, too. His ypa did increase, so the idea is true, but from a fantasy perspective the increase in ypa did not offset the decreased attempts.

Why do you even bring Stafford up at this point? You have already said in this thread that you think he is an average QB. You even insulted people who drafted him.

An even better question is why anyone would take his advice after he was proven so wrong.

Because he's a fantasy football ninja.Duh.