I'm not worried about his talent, but I am worried about that offense. I blame (1) a stupid decision to switch QBs late in the preseason didn't give the first team offense to prepare and caused the tean to question their leadership and (2) a new offensive coordinator. I don't know if they'll get this fixed, but I am not starting MJD again until I see proof of it. That's tough, as I'll have suffered through two bad weeks and will be bound to miss a good week or two as I wait for them to get it fixed. I'm still holding him in a keeper/dynasty league as I think he has the talent to succeed in this league.
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Maurice Jones-Drew is the bust of 2007 (2 Viewers)
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
What exactly are people expecting from a backup?? I try to start the starters of each team. Am I doing something wrong?
No sir, you have the right idea.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Ditto. The QB fiasco, the WR fiasco all preseason, and just a general sense it's a rudderless ship. Give Cowher that team and they wouldn't be confused as to their direction.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
And, look @ his first 2 games last season. Basically the same - though he was a rookie. The problems (mentioned above) are more team oriented, and there's still 14 games left. I took MJD in the 2nd round of a start up dynasty draft - but with the understanding that he won't really be a solid RB2 (or hopefully RB1) till Freddy leaves in a year or two. I don't think many of us were expecting the same TD #s w/ similar touches (ala 2006), but 70 rushing with 4 or 5 receptions for another 30 would, and a TD here and there would work. :crossesfingers:I think JAX will get things worked out over the next couple of games. Pulling that win out today really helped the cause. If they had lost to ATL @ home, I could have seen the wheels fall off quickly.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I drafted MJD #9 overall this year in a startup dynasty.
It's a very different league and all of my analysis led me to believe he was the pick to make at the time. We have a major emphasis on receiving yards and return yards are scored the same as rushing yards. MJD gave me a decent game in week 1 (thanks to 72 return yards), but this week he sucked. Not only were there no TD's and very little offensive yardage, but he didn't get a single return yard.
I'm hoping this is his worst week of the season, but after today, I actually may entertain the idea of benching him. Not exactly what you want in your 1st round pick.
It's a very different league and all of my analysis led me to believe he was the pick to make at the time. We have a major emphasis on receiving yards and return yards are scored the same as rushing yards. MJD gave me a decent game in week 1 (thanks to 72 return yards), but this week he sucked. Not only were there no TD's and very little offensive yardage, but he didn't get a single return yard.
I'm hoping this is his worst week of the season, but after today, I actually may entertain the idea of benching him. Not exactly what you want in your 1st round pick.
BigRed
Footballguy
In the case of this topic, yeah - you're not noticing that he wasn't the starter last year either and (esp in PPR) was a great RB to have. He is not a "backup." Backups rarely play. He is - or at least it was reasonable to expect, WAS - going to get his share of touches this year.This is pathetic.What exactly are people expecting from a backup?? I try to start the starters of each team. Am I doing something wrong?
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
I've been in and out of this thread, but to echo some of what I've seen, I think the entire Jags squad is a mess. Cutting Leftwich without what really seems like a well thought out plan was lunacy to me. I mean, they had Pepper kicking around camp, but to turn the keys over to Garard, just misguided to me. They've never been overwhelming lighitng the scoreboard lights, but the whole situation could be close to being FUBARed and its not off to a good start. They lose to Tennesee at home(which granted in a divison where you can throw spreads and dogs out the window they all play each other so tough) and they almost lose to Atlanta. I think Mojo is definately lost in the shuffle of whatever is going on there.
I don't think he's a lost cause and I think he holds tremendous value were Taylor to get dinged, which you can't plan on, but nor can you discount. I think the idea of sitting him is a good one, but most owners who took him, got him at an RB2. He's going to be very hard for owners to sit, so its a tough situation. You won't get value for dealing him, but theres a hell of chance the guy with him in your league is 0-2, so if you can steal and stash him while things get worked out, I think it would be worth your while. Easier said than done, catch them when they are 1-3.
I don't think he's a lost cause and I think he holds tremendous value were Taylor to get dinged, which you can't plan on, but nor can you discount. I think the idea of sitting him is a good one, but most owners who took him, got him at an RB2. He's going to be very hard for owners to sit, so its a tough situation. You won't get value for dealing him, but theres a hell of chance the guy with him in your league is 0-2, so if you can steal and stash him while things get worked out, I think it would be worth your while. Easier said than done, catch them when they are 1-3.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Defenses are stacking the box to stop the run against the Jags and so far the O-line hasn't been up to the challenge. If David Garrard can throw the ball well enough to force teams to pull that safety off the line, the Jags run game could recover quickly. As it is, no one is scared of David. The Jags have scored a total of 23 points in basically 2 full games against cover 1. Oh, and they play Denver next... in Denver. So things might not be getting better anytime soon.
The Commish
Footballguy
He was a great play because he was starting for an injured Taylor. Still not sure what I am missing here
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Are you missing the 11 TDs in the 11 weeks previous to Taylor getting hurt?He was a great play because he was starting for an injured Taylor. Still not sure what I am missing here
Other then Taylor and MJD the Jags have no weapons on offense. Teams are keying on them and making someone else step up. They will find ways to get the ball to MJD so his points will come around. While I don't expect him to score 15 Td's I do expect him to get double digits which would make him a servicable #2 back.
munchkin
Footballguy
I agree with this post. I have MJD and RBrown in a dynasty league and will hold on tho them for another couple years to see how it all plays out. I have had people try to by RBrown for .10 on the dollar already. Now they may not turn out to be top 10 backs but you can't give up on RB's too early particularly when they are on struggling teams. How would either of those players look if they were in MTurner's shoes. Nice to be a backup on a strong team with a solid line.It's different in a redraft league but what are you going to get for these guys at this point? You need to stick it out and hope!!!Couch Potato said:
jurb26
Footballguy
After Jack released Lefty it was pretty clear they have no idea what they are doing IMO. It will be a long year in Jack.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Jack Del Rio on the hot seat. MJD is a FF bust- book it!
hutch
Footballguy
I agree that this offense doesn't have everything together yet. However, there are some comments above about Garrard that I don't agree with. I certainly wouldn't put him in the same tier with Peyton Manning but he is not as bad as some have indicated. Here are his stats so far:
Game 1 in loss vs. Tenn: 17 for 30 (56.7%) for 204 yards (6.8 yds/att) for 1 TD and 0 Int (rating 88.8)
Game 2 in win vs. Atl: 17 for 25 (68.0%) for 272 yards (10.9 yds/att) for 1 TD and 0 Int (rating 117.4)
YTD Stats: 34 for 55 (61.8%) for 476 yards (8.7 yds/att) for 2 TDs and 0 Ints (rating 101.8)
By the way, Peyton Manning got an 86.6 rating against the same Tenn defense.
Garrard was named the starter AFTER the conclusion of the regular season and has only been working with the first team offense for a few weeks now. Additionally, these starting Jacksonville receivers would be lucky to be WR3 or WR4 on most NFL teams right now. Hopefully the offensive coordinator will figure out some sort of balance that works with this offense. If they do figure out balance, Fred Taylor and MJD should be able produce a little better.
In any event, for those of you that drafted MJD in the 1st round or 2nd round, I don't know if he will live up to his draft position. I got him at 4.03 in a ten team league and am hopeful that his production improves this season.
Cheers.
Game 1 in loss vs. Tenn: 17 for 30 (56.7%) for 204 yards (6.8 yds/att) for 1 TD and 0 Int (rating 88.8)
Game 2 in win vs. Atl: 17 for 25 (68.0%) for 272 yards (10.9 yds/att) for 1 TD and 0 Int (rating 117.4)
YTD Stats: 34 for 55 (61.8%) for 476 yards (8.7 yds/att) for 2 TDs and 0 Ints (rating 101.8)
By the way, Peyton Manning got an 86.6 rating against the same Tenn defense.
Garrard was named the starter AFTER the conclusion of the regular season and has only been working with the first team offense for a few weeks now. Additionally, these starting Jacksonville receivers would be lucky to be WR3 or WR4 on most NFL teams right now. Hopefully the offensive coordinator will figure out some sort of balance that works with this offense. If they do figure out balance, Fred Taylor and MJD should be able produce a little better.
In any event, for those of you that drafted MJD in the 1st round or 2nd round, I don't know if he will live up to his draft position. I got him at 4.03 in a ten team league and am hopeful that his production improves this season.
Cheers.
nygiants56
Footballguy
fixed.Honestly though, I think these players will turn things around,all but Bush/Brees.I think N.O. is in for a VERY long season...PantherPower said:
Evans is notoriously slow to get going, and Moroney had little or no training camp, they're easing him into the games..
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Wadsworth
Footballguy
David has started 19 of the Jags last 25 games, is entering his 6th season and is 29 years old. He's not some new kid the coach pulled of the bench. He has put up some decent stats, but the defenses are daring him to pass. For example, the Jags just missed hitting MJD on a wheel route for a big gain yesterday, did you see who was covering him? John Abraham. You knows what's crazier? 2 plays before that Abraham was covering Matt Jones in the slot. And this was by design, not a substitutional mismatch. A QB should put up decent numbers with DEs covering slot WRs. Until David starts making teams pay with points for loading up against the run, they will continue to do it. Having a nice passer rating isn't going to stop it.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
True, even if its just for their kidneys.
streamkeeper
Footballguy
I have watched both Jags games and I agree that they are in disarry. For as bad as some of you might think MJD has looked, F Taylor has looked worse. I think at some point the new OC has to put the ball in MJD's hands more often. If the Jags cannot find a way to run this will be a long year. Put me down for extremely dissapointed so far.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I, too, am a MJD owner in a return yard league and was a little annoyed as well (those 72 yds helped a bunch in week 1).I just looked it up and Atlanta only kicked off twice.......and both were touchbacks. I don't know if MJD was back there or not, but either way, the Jags didn't have any kick returns (and only one punt return for 10 yds).He'll get more action.....can't wait until they play Indy.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Fred Taylor got the game ball yesterday. Weird stuff going on in Jax.
thatguythere
Footballguy
The difference is MJD was most likely picked in first two rounds....and Fred Taylor was avoided like the plague because people thought Drew was going to set the world on fire. He wasn't even drafted in our 10 team, I got him off the ww. Is he a good playright now, NO....but he is a better play than MJD right now.
FFChick32
Footballguy
Well, call me crazy, but I just traded for him. I didn't give up any of my starters - I won't tell you who I gave up, b/c I would be ridiculed, judging by the tone of this thread, but I'm expecting them to figure things out at some point and MJD will be given more opportunities, at least for catches (PPR league)
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Basically, if you are relying on MJD as a starter you are going to be hurting for a while. Some can say that Garrard should be able to step right into the O and do just fine after finishing the season last year as a starter. But a new OC means a different system that Lefty got all the reps in training camp and against the first string O's in the preseason games. Then after that they cut Lefty and go with Garrard. If they had some inkling of this happening Garrard should've been in there long before the preseason games were over.
This was a really bad, and more so unprofessional move by the coaching staff. To move to a different QB is not unheard of, but to do so AFTER training camp and the 4 preseason games is just bush league. It's not a slap in the face of Leftwich, it's a slap in the face to the team and the fans that the coaching staff didn't prepare for this move better which would've required more reps for Garrard with the first team.
So now Garrard is working with the WR1 and WR2 instead of 3 and 4. He's not in synch with just about anyone. And what's worse is it doesn't get much better next week. They get the Broncos in Mile High. If Garrard gets 100 yards passing I will be surprised. If they don't force feed the ball to Taylor and MJD there is no way they win that game. In the mean time David is going to look terrible next week. But they get the bye and then KC after that. If the O doesn't have a great game against KC, then JDR will be out the door before season's end....
This was a really bad, and more so unprofessional move by the coaching staff. To move to a different QB is not unheard of, but to do so AFTER training camp and the 4 preseason games is just bush league. It's not a slap in the face of Leftwich, it's a slap in the face to the team and the fans that the coaching staff didn't prepare for this move better which would've required more reps for Garrard with the first team.
So now Garrard is working with the WR1 and WR2 instead of 3 and 4. He's not in synch with just about anyone. And what's worse is it doesn't get much better next week. They get the Broncos in Mile High. If Garrard gets 100 yards passing I will be surprised. If they don't force feed the ball to Taylor and MJD there is no way they win that game. In the mean time David is going to look terrible next week. But they get the bye and then KC after that. If the O doesn't have a great game against KC, then JDR will be out the door before season's end....
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culdeus
Footballguy
This week with Denver he's going to be an automatic sit for most owners. I have him in a keeper league and will be benching him for Curry at flex. He's got to put up 10 points or Taylor has to go down for me to be interested in him for 07. I still feel he's good for 08 really. I mean won't this be Fragile freddy's last year?
Jayrod
Footballguy
I'm going to still start him in week 3. I don't need him to go off, but I expect him to get going soon and I don't see why it can't be done against the Broncos. While their passing D is great, their run D isn't so great. He'll open up on a team soon enough and I'm going to try and be patient and keep him in until it happens (luckily my team is pretty solid and I can handle one weak spot with high potential). Now if it hasn't happened after the KC game (week 5), then I'll be changing my plan, but until then I'm going to hold steady.----on a side note, it does help that I get return yards from him as well, so he doesn't completely suck every week.
mr. furley
Footballguy
redman
Footballguy
moderated said:
This is like Bush and Deuce in NO. The backup has a more complete and probably better skill set, but is younger and smaller and certainly less proven. Therefore the veteran continues to be the main guy while the offensive coaching staff seeks to use the younger guy's explosiveness and versatility in key situations. Bush and MJD were redraft fool's gold this year.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I think Culdeus was referring to Garrard in that post. If I had MJD as one of my primary starters I would start him against Denver. No way I would go with Garrard tho. I would be looking for a Harrington or a Garcia off the WW before I would go with Garrard against Denver.
culdeus
Footballguy
MJD just won't get quality touches this week in any situation. On the road, tough D (though average rund) I just don't see him doing much more than 10 points if that this week.
RudeDog
Footballguy
That's the point..... Jax's OL is just not opening any holes. I am baffled by their inability to run this year. It has nothing to do with MJD or Taylor; the OL or maybe the offensive scheme is just not working right now. Hopefully thay can pick it up next week.I think you have to hold off on judging MJD until the team as a whole shows they can run and MJD can't, until then it's the team that is failing - not MJD.
Supercool
Footballguy
I believe how MJD got his start was Taylor got hurt for a half of a game, around week 4 and MJD just went on an incredible run from there. He hasn't been able to do that this year, "Yet".
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
Anyone see him get hurt yesterday? FBG News blogger says he went for a x-ray after the game.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
I want to know who the clown is that is running that offence?
Who is the OC?
Who is the OC?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Dirk Koetter, former head coach at ASU; and a guy who saw MJD whoop his team's ### on more than one occasion.
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Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Figure that one outDirk Koetter, former head coach at ASU; and a guy who saw MJD whoop his team's ### on more than one occasion.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
MJD = UCLAASU = Laughing stock of the Pac-10Figure that one outDirk Koetter, former head coach at ASU; and a guy who saw MJD whoop his team's ### on more than one occasion.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
So he sabotages MJD this year? Un-real........MJD = UCLAASU = Laughing stock of the Pac-10Figure that one outDirk Koetter, former head coach at ASU; and a guy who saw MJD whoop his team's ### on more than one occasion.
kensat30
Footballguy
Jacksonville is a trainwreck. You could see it coming from a mile away after the early "Leftwich is our starter" in February all leading up to the Leftwich CUT in August. No stable franchise pulls those kind of moves. Jacksonville is getting cleaned up from top to bottom this next offseason. It'll be interesting to see who they end up with from a player and a coaching perspective.
If you buy a Jag right now (outside of Garrard who holds value only because he is a running QB), you are crazy.
If you buy a Jag right now (outside of Garrard who holds value only because he is a running QB), you are crazy.
switz
Footballguy
Been saying this all offseason.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
No, I don't seriously think the Jags OC is keeping MJD shackled due to some nebulous Pac-10 animosity. I just wanted to throw some conspiracy theory into the mix.Macdaddy_2004 said:So he sabotages MJD this year? Un-real........Jason Wood said:MJD = UCLAASU = Laughing stock of the Pac-10Macdaddy_2004 said:Figure that one outJason Wood said:Dirk Koetter, former head coach at ASU; and a guy who saw MJD whoop his team's ### on more than one occasion.Macdaddy_2004 said:
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