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Maurice Jones-Drew is the bust of 2007 (1 Viewer)
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Unless he can play a QB at flex or thinks somehow a FT injury will help Garrard, I'm pretty sure he's talking about MJD.To me, the real problem is the JAX defense. They were ranked No.2 last year. With that kind of defense, you keep getting the ball on offense and Drew and Freddy were getting the rock.
That defense isn't playing up to the standards they were expected to and they're having to do different things on offense. It's ugly in Jax and unfortunately I did draft M' Jones in one league.
That defense isn't playing up to the standards they were expected to and they're having to do different things on offense. It's ugly in Jax and unfortunately I did draft M' Jones in one league.
shakeybarn
Footballguy
No different, than 90% of the guys I know that said they wouldn't touch LJ with a ten-foot pole... yet continued to rank him in the Top 5 or so, but just draft around him. I do the same thing... run projections, but let someone else take the risk on. Not sure if projections can fully capture risk, you can always adjust for injury proneness, offensive scheme, and so forth... but it's the "almost intangibles" that have you not drafting the guy.
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no reason to panic. the draft is done. bench him until he does something, platoon your RB2 spot and look for trades to make or possible waiver wires guys like wynn. you just need to change perception. i have MJD in one league. the one league i am 0-2 (that is also the only league i have lee evans in). i have benched him for chris brown. adjust and move forward.
redman
Footballguy
Oh all right - you're so brilliant, switz!
Excellent analysis. This is why I come here. I live in the Pac NW and don't get the ticket, so I don't see much of the Jags.I suspected Garrard's numbers look decent because he is throwing against a stacked box/cover 1 but has only 2 TD's in 2 games to show for it. Until the Jags start scoring through the air, why would teams NOT play them like that?And along comes Denver....may as well sit MJD until KC week 5.
There were no kick returns. Only two kickoffs-both touchbacks. This is from the play-by-play.ATL 7 JAX 3 Plays: 12 Possession: 3:29
Jacksonville Jaguars at 00:57
1-M.Prater kicks 70 yards from ATL 30 to end zone, Touchback. 1-10-JAC 20
57) 32-M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 29 for 9 yards (24-J.Williams).2-1-JAC 29
36) (Shotgun) 9-D.Garrard pass incomplete short right to 19-E.Wilford.3-1-JAC 29
32) 32-M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 28 for -1 yards (55-J.Abraham).Timeout #3 by ATL at 00:27.
4-2-JAC 28
27) 3-A.Podlesh punts 26 yards to ATL 46, Center-88-J.Zelenka, downed by JAX-33-G.Jones.Atlanta Falcons at 00:18
1-10-ATL 46
18) (Shotgun) 13-J.Harrington pass short right to 32-J.Norwood to JAX 49 for 5 yards (52-D.Smith). PENALTY on ATL-12-M.Jenkins, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at ATL 46 - No Play.1-15-ATL 41
10) 13-J.Harrington kneels to ATL 40 for -1 yards.END QUARTER 2
3rd Quarter expand [+] collapse [-]
Jacksonville Jaguars at 15:00
1-M.Prater kicks 70 yards from ATL 30 to end zone, Touchback.
Hope that helps.
Maybe Leftwich called "heads".It sure feels like the Cleveland situation. Can't wait for some direction here.
That would be great, if you were still using 2006 stats this year.MJD and Bush are Exhibits 1a and 1b for "Why You Don't Draft RBBC Backs in the First Two Rounds". It's just too unlikely that they'll be able to repeat their numbers.
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13 points to Tennessee(Lost TOP 37-23). 34 pass plays to 13 runs. Unacceptable. Looked like the new OC trying to showcase his offense. Didn't work.7 points to Atlanta(Won TOP 34-26). 30 pass plays to 29 runs. Balanced. Move toward focusing on the running game hopefully.I don't think the "D" is the problem. I think the new OC needs to do what Jax does best. RUN. Heck, force single coverage everywhere.23 points in 2 games is unacceptable. Use your playmakers. Your WR's are not getting it done. MJD as a receiver. MJD on screens. Get him the rock.
Barber is the other side of that coin and many backs are disappointments so far. Tomlinson(if not for the Gates TD pass) would be heading the list. SJax, LJ, Benson, T Jones have probably cost owners the first game or two. Only Addai, Gore, Alexander, AD, Rudi and Parker have performed well as expected. Barber, Edge and Jordan have been great surprises so far.That would be great, if you were still using 2006 stats this year.MJD and Bush are Exhibits 1a and 1b for "Why You Don't Draft RBBC Backs in the First Two Rounds". It's just too unlikely that they'll be able to repeat their numbers.In the case of this topic, yeah - you're not noticing that he wasn't the starter last year either and (esp in PPR) was a great RB to have.What exactly are people expecting from a backup?? I try to start the starters of each team. Am I doing something wrong?
EBF
Footballguy
If you're high on his dynasty prospects, I might suggest letting him fester on someone else's team for 2-3 more weeks then trying to make a move. He might not ever become the consistent top 10 RB people envisioned this offseason, but his value probably won't get a whole lot lower.
Did you draft Barber in the first two rounds? If so, I think you're nuts, but no one's saying that you should avoid RBBC backs for the entire draft.Barber is the other side of that coin and many backs are disappointments so far.That would be great, if you were still using 2006 stats this year.MJD and Bush are Exhibits 1a and 1b for "Why You Don't Draft RBBC Backs in the First Two Rounds". It's just too unlikely that they'll be able to repeat their numbers.In the case of this topic, yeah - you're not noticing that he wasn't the starter last year either and (esp in PPR) was a great RB to have.What exactly are people expecting from a backup?? I try to start the starters of each team. Am I doing something wrong?
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Lets not get carried away
switz
Footballguy
And this was the problem with MJD - why on earth would ANYONE have drafted him before Taylor was drafted is beyond me.
It is beyond us you actually believe that.
switz
Footballguy
Believe what? I was saying all offseason that MJD should not be drafted highly, that Taylor was still the starter, and so on...
RoosterScott
Footballguy
What are the results of his x-rays?
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Maybe because one guy has proven to get in the end zone and the other hasn't?
HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
I just read 3 pages to see if I could get that answer. anyone?
PahtyTom
Footballguy
It's still very unlikely that Taylor ends up with more fantasy points than MJD by the end of the year IMO.
duaneok66
Footballguy
It's always the coordinator's fault . . .
Jayrod
Footballguy
Because my league is a dynasty with a heavy emphasis on receiving (1pt/5 rec vs. 1pt/10 rush) and also gets 1pt/10 kick return yards. Guy finished as RB#5 last year.Not everyone plays in your league with your scoring.That said................ he's killing me right now. Week 1, decent yards but fumbled (-3 pts). Week 2, bad yards & NO returns.But I don't think I'm any worse off than the guy that drafted SJax.
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
to be fair... mjd isn't the bust of the year... if he is getting touches it isn't his fault
the bust is the owners for drafting him despite the redflags in the offseason
a bust is a player who is not producing despite getting the touches.. such as brees or lj (or barlow in years past)
the bust is the owners for drafting him despite the redflags in the offseason
a bust is a player who is not producing despite getting the touches.. such as brees or lj (or barlow in years past)
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
I'm not even mad I went out and got him this off-season, I'm just mad i didn't wait to til now and get him on the cheap.
There's a fine line between missing the boat and jumping to early (its game 2). I admit Fred Taylor is a roadblock , There lack of keeping a legit pass game is a roadblock, but MJD is a young stud and if im Del Rio there a point where I want to try and save my own job... I'm gonna put in MJD and give him a shot at the RB1 spot.
Whats crazy is, I think Leftwhich woulda made all the diff., not with his actual skills but as far as keeping 8 men out of the box every down.
You guys are insane if you think its MJD himself.
There's a fine line between missing the boat and jumping to early (its game 2). I admit Fred Taylor is a roadblock , There lack of keeping a legit pass game is a roadblock, but MJD is a young stud and if im Del Rio there a point where I want to try and save my own job... I'm gonna put in MJD and give him a shot at the RB1 spot.
Whats crazy is, I think Leftwhich woulda made all the diff., not with his actual skills but as far as keeping 8 men out of the box every down.
You guys are insane if you think its MJD himself.
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Jayrod
Footballguy
switz
Footballguy
You can say that again.
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WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Long TD FUM Lost1 09/09 TEN L 10-13 1 0 7 32 4.6 23 0 3 28 9.3 20 0 1 12 09/16 ATL W 13-7 1 0 11 31 2.8 9 0 1 10 10.0 10 0 -- --3 09/23 @ DEN W 23-14 1 0 15 37 2.5 10 0 2 18 9.0 10 0 1 1duaneok66
Footballguy
when your player blows up, it's because of his talent , BUTwhen he tanks, it's always someone else's fault . . .
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Koetter and Del Sucko...that's what happened.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Not quite true, but you're on the right path (accidentally and unkowingly.)
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
Does this happen? Yes , Is it always the case, no.Isn't there more of a case that this is a slump than he is a bust? People in Re-Drafts shoulda known before hand there was a chance Fred would continue leading and maybe MJD's TDs were inflated from last year.I will say I do believe it gets better than this for MJD the rest of the year. Even on the audible Bloom mentioned he almost had 2 TDs this season with plays that ended on the 1. If those go for 6, I bet there wouldn't be so much panic.In a Dynasty though , I went out an cleaned up getting him on the cheap (IMO at least). In Dynasty, judging MJD on 3 games is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction that you will severely regret down the road.edit : spelling
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Most "busts" are really just over-rated.Steven Jackson is a real bust.
Are you the guy who keeps calling MJD a backup? I so, how could anyone take what you said seriously?
rock753
Footballguy
rock753
Footballguy
This guy gets it...MJD has loads of talent, any one that wants to argue that needs to get back in line for a new brain..Hopefully he gets a chance to show it again this year as he did last...IE, the Jags need to get their stuff togeather.But if you can buy him cheap, as my friend above claims to have, in a dynasty, you will prove a genius over time.Cause sooner rather than later, this guys skills will prove him a stud.
Herein is the reason not to jump to conclusions about a player after only a few games. In the thread above, you have several posters claiming that Ronnie Brown was in trouble after only a couple of games. He is now the top RB in both of my leagues. In NO, Deuce is out for the season so Bush could easily pick up his performance. You have to give these guys time and the team to adjust before you can conclude MJD is a bust. I am not happy with him, but I am holding him and hoping he becomes a bigger part of the gameplan for the Jags. If he has a couple of big games, people will forget about the crappy start he had.
switz
Footballguy
No that was Louisville Slugger - MJD is the secondary component in an RBBC at best though, and as I predicted, the primary component in the RBBC would be the better RB. How could anyone take me seriously? Anyone who's been on these boards for a while should know to take me seriously as I'm right far more frequently than I'm wrong.Edited for spelling
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sandlotshrink
Footballguy
I think we can all agree the Jags are in disarray this year. QB and WR's are questionable at best, plus D seems to be getting abused. Not sure if poor D is a result of being worse or just getting worn out from being on the field a lot more. Either way, until the entire O improves, I don't see MJD or Fred having much success. Both are good runners who are struggling in a system that does not appear to have much talent.
barista
Footballguy
according to ADP and FBG... I think Jordan is the only real surprise.Barber is the other side of that coin and many backs are disappointments so far. Tomlinson(if not for the Gates TD pass) would be heading the list. SJax, LJ, Benson, T Jones have probably cost owners the first game or two. Only Addai, Gore, Alexander, AD, Rudi and Parker have performed well as expected. Barber, Edge and Jordan have been great surprises so far.That would be great, if you were still using 2006 stats this year.MJD and Bush are Exhibits 1a and 1b for "Why You Don't Draft RBBC Backs in the First Two Rounds". It's just too unlikely that they'll be able to repeat their numbers.In the case of this topic, yeah - you're not noticing that he wasn't the starter last year either and (esp in PPR) was a great RB to have.What exactly are people expecting from a backup?? I try to start the starters of each team. Am I doing something wrong?
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
i've watched every snap for those jags this year and there are certainly signs that things will improve, and soon.
the 1st week was just ridiculous. the defense was getting obliterated and couldn't get itself off the field. the offense never really had a chance.
since then the defense has improved. they just went into mile high and shut down the broncos running game. this can only help their offense/running game.
david garrard has played great, imo, and defenses will have to start respecting his arm (and his legs) at some point. he's decisive, making all the short and medium throws. they don't throw it deep enough and i hope that'll change. he orchestrated the longest drive in jags history against the broncos (11 min., i think).
the running game seems abyssmal right now, but fred taylor's still averaging 4.0 YPC and MJD's averaging 3.0 (not good, but a hell of alot better than LT through 3 games). as teams start to respect garrard more (which i think will happen), more lanes will open up. i also think that it will help to stretch the defense horizontally with some stretch plays or something. freddy and MJD have both shown glimpses and they should keep improving after 3 games under a new system.
for MJD, in particular, everyone knew that if they drafted him as their RB2, they were taking a risk, but (unlike what i assumed) he still looks to be their GL back of choice and he's actually been getting closer to a 50/50 split than i would've assumed. so he's getting the goal-line carries and roughly half of all the carries. i didn't expect him to do either of those things this season. the jags running game will improve and so will MJD.
the 1st week was just ridiculous. the defense was getting obliterated and couldn't get itself off the field. the offense never really had a chance.
since then the defense has improved. they just went into mile high and shut down the broncos running game. this can only help their offense/running game.
david garrard has played great, imo, and defenses will have to start respecting his arm (and his legs) at some point. he's decisive, making all the short and medium throws. they don't throw it deep enough and i hope that'll change. he orchestrated the longest drive in jags history against the broncos (11 min., i think).
the running game seems abyssmal right now, but fred taylor's still averaging 4.0 YPC and MJD's averaging 3.0 (not good, but a hell of alot better than LT through 3 games). as teams start to respect garrard more (which i think will happen), more lanes will open up. i also think that it will help to stretch the defense horizontally with some stretch plays or something. freddy and MJD have both shown glimpses and they should keep improving after 3 games under a new system.
for MJD, in particular, everyone knew that if they drafted him as their RB2, they were taking a risk, but (unlike what i assumed) he still looks to be their GL back of choice and he's actually been getting closer to a 50/50 split than i would've assumed. so he's getting the goal-line carries and roughly half of all the carries. i didn't expect him to do either of those things this season. the jags running game will improve and so will MJD.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
and if you are completely losing faith, go to watch MJD's 5 min. rookie highlight reel on youtube.
then imagine that man getting 15-20 carries a game (which has been the reality in his last 2 games) and most of the goal-line carries.
he's not necessarily the guy to rely on as a RB2, but there's plenty of upside on the way for a guy you can get cheaply right now.
then imagine that man getting 15-20 carries a game (which has been the reality in his last 2 games) and most of the goal-line carries.
he's not necessarily the guy to rely on as a RB2, but there's plenty of upside on the way for a guy you can get cheaply right now.
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