Maurice Jones-Drew is the bust of 2007 (2 Viewers)

[Sleeper 43]

In what way is Taylor "featured," and Drew an "afterthought?" You realize that Drew has had more touches than Taylor in 2 out of their 5 games, and in one of their other 5 games Drew and Taylor had the exact same amount of touches, right? So, Maurice Drew has either equaled or had more touches than Taylor in 3 out of Jacksonville's 5 games, yet Taylor is the "featured" one and Drew is an "afterthought?"

looks like Taylor either equaled or had more touches than Taylor in 3 out of Jacksonville's 5 games, to me

Nevermind that at the point Taylor retired for the night, he had more carries than MJSD had touches (9 to 8)... but let the MJD hypers continue to be blinded. They'll be back complaining that the coach sucks when MJD reverts to weeks 1-3 form.

I see the situation in no way different from MB3, should I not be expecting much from him either?Through my eyes both MB3 and MJD are superior than their co-RB's and both will emerge more as the season progresses.Also MJD in PPR is a must start regardless of carries. Deo Rio is slowly catching on and this Monday night game could be a coming out party for MJD.

 

[GDogg]

The guy that owns MJD in my league is 0-6, after four bad games he benched him, his seasons over, I hope other MJD owners are doing better.

I'm 5-1 with him. Lost a game by a point. First time I started him was last week though. I have him in a dynasty league and have been able to rely on other players to this point. With LT on a bye this week he's going again on Monday night for me. I can see if you've been relying on this guy all season you would be in the tank...

I've started him every week and am now 6-0. Then again, I'm also in a ppr league with points for return yardage, so he hasn't exactly been terrible (other than Week 2) in my format.

 

[munchkin]

The guy that owns MJD in my league is 0-6, after four bad games he benched him, his seasons over, I hope other MJD owners are doing better.

I'm 5-1 with him. Lost a game by a point. First time I started him was last week though. I have him in a dynasty league and have been able to rely on other players to this point. With LT on a bye this week he's going again on Monday night for me. I can see if you've been relying on this guy all season you would be in the tank...

I have him in Dynasty too. There's where the difference lies. If he was taken high in a redraft the expectations would be different. He seems to have a nice upside and is starting to show some of what he did last year. Fortunately I don't have to play him with LJ, RBrown and Westy.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Really? How that crow taste?

It's two great games. After four bad ones. It's still a bit premature to be climbing up on that high horse.

Are you just talking trash about MJJ just to talk.I have seen MJJ play 5 games this year. Did he play his bye week on a diffren team??This shows you do not follow him very closely and just want to bash the man.BTW I traded him away last week thinking I was selling high.I was wrong

How was I trash talking him? If only by default, he has not been THE bust of '07. Nonetheless, up to this point in the season he's been one of the bigger busts. The past two games have been promising but the bottom line is he's had two good games out of five. It's still too early to say whether he's going to be a bust at the end of the season but up to this point-on a week to week basis-he hasn't been very good.I do like the guy. I traded for him before their bye.

 

[fruity pebbles]

His numbers have been hit or miss but I can't see how anyone would be disappointed when taken as a whole. He's on pace for 1450 total yards and 10 TDs. Those are top 10 numbers last year especially in ppr leagues.

 

[AnonymousBob]

His numbers have been hit or miss but I can't see how anyone would be disappointed when taken as a whole. He's on pace for 1450 total yards and 10 TDs. Those are top 10 numbers last year especially in ppr leagues.

I think part of the disappointment depends what type of league you're in and what your expectations were. Many people in redraft leagues took him in the second round and if his slow start caused them to fall behind other teams in the league, that's going to up the number of people using the bust label.

 

[Darb]

I was offered Fitz for MJD tonight......... I am so torn on what to do!

 

[Jayrod]

I was offered Fitz for MJD tonight......... I am so torn on what to do!

I was offered the exact same trade today and rejected it!(my league is a dynasty, we get points for return yards and we only have to start 1 WR)

 

[vichawkfan]

Im not jumping on the MJD "must start" bandwagon just yet, but take note MJD is getting in the groove at the same time Taylor is starting to get wear and tear

 

[Darb]

Interesting Jayrod......I am in a redraft PPR league and we must start 3 WRs.....ppr 1 point per reception, 1 point per 10 yards receiving/rushing

I am still debating........I like MJD alot but I have alot of depth at RB and this would make my team better

 

[skycriesmary]

MJD has a great schedule going forward.

 

[switz]

His numbers have been hit or miss but I can't see how anyone would be disappointed when taken as a whole. He's on pace for 1450 total yards and 10 TDs. Those are top 10 numbers last year especially in ppr leagues.

Because unless you are in a total points league, the last two games have only helped you the last two weeks. The first three weeks were horrible for a guy everyone was saying was top-10, bonafide STUD, going to beat out Taylor, etc.For everyone who spent a top pick on him and didn't luck out with Peterson or a good WW pickup, their RBs were sorely hurt by MJD.Now going forward, if the Jags continue winning, and Taylor gets rested again later in the game, MJD is a good candidate to put up numbers, but you'll be chewing off your fingernails through the first three quarters.I've tried to buy low on him a couple times, but the owner in my league won't budge.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I still don't understand how this guy isn't getting 15 to 20 carries a game. Going on memory I think he had 9 carries Week 5 and 12 carries week 6. He's had verye good performances both weeks but eventually, if he only gets 10 carries a game, he's going to have this game:

10 carries for 41 yards, zero Td's with 3 receptions for 19 yards.

And that's not a bad game folks. That's averaging over 4 yards per carry but you have to give the guy the ball MORE!

 

[SayWhat?]

His numbers have been hit or miss but I can't see how anyone would be disappointed when taken as a whole. He's on pace for 1450 total yards and 10 TDs. Those are top 10 numbers last year especially in ppr leagues.

Because unless you are in a total points league, the last two games have only helped you the last two weeks. The first three weeks were horrible for a guy everyone was saying was top-10, bonafide STUD, going to beat out Taylor, etc.For everyone who spent a top pick on him and didn't luck out with Peterson or a good WW pickup, their RBs were sorely hurt by MJD.Now going forward, if the Jags continue winning, and Taylor gets rested again later in the game, MJD is a good candidate to put up numbers, but you'll be chewing off your fingernails through the first three quarters.I've tried to buy low on him a couple times, but the owner in my league won't budge.

Switz - I can see where you're coming from. But there also aren't many running backs that haven't had a couple brutal games that were taken in the first 2 rounds this year. It appears as if MJD is going to have a season similar to last year in terms of limited touches and great production, and I don't think owners would be all that disappointed if it turned out that way. (Not a MJD owner myself either)

 

[switz]

His numbers have been hit or miss but I can't see how anyone would be disappointed when taken as a whole. He's on pace for 1450 total yards and 10 TDs. Those are top 10 numbers last year especially in ppr leagues.

Because unless you are in a total points league, the last two games have only helped you the last two weeks. The first three weeks were horrible for a guy everyone was saying was top-10, bonafide STUD, going to beat out Taylor, etc.For everyone who spent a top pick on him and didn't luck out with Peterson or a good WW pickup, their RBs were sorely hurt by MJD.Now going forward, if the Jags continue winning, and Taylor gets rested again later in the game, MJD is a good candidate to put up numbers, but you'll be chewing off your fingernails through the first three quarters.I've tried to buy low on him a couple times, but the owner in my league won't budge.

Switz - I can see where you're coming from. But there also aren't many running backs that haven't had a couple brutal games that were taken in the first 2 rounds this year. It appears as if MJD is going to have a season similar to last year in terms of limited touches and great production, and I don't think owners would be all that disappointed if it turned out that way. (Not a MJD owner myself either)

Yes, if MJD continues to put up numbers like he has the past two games, he will make his owners verah verah happy.

 

[xenith]

MJD was flat DROPPED in both my leagues. One is a low$, 12-team redraft, PPR league, where he was taken late 2nd, about right if you ask me. The other is a $ league, 10-team, 1-player keeper league, PPR, drafted end of round1 (basically his assigned keeper, as we decided to start fresh with full redraft just this year, lot of owner turnover this year). I snatched him up in both leagues, and feel pretty damn good about it. Very cheap RB3 in both leagues!!

 

[nyGIANTSnj]

MJD was flat DROPPED in both my leagues. One is a low$, 12-team redraft, PPR league, where he was taken late 2nd, about right if you ask me. The other is a $ league, 10-team, 1-player keeper league, PPR, drafted end of round1 (basically his assigned keeper, as we decided to start fresh with full redraft just this year, lot of owner turnover this year). I snatched him up in both leagues, and feel pretty damn good about it. Very cheap RB3 in both leagues!!

He's good especially in a keeper league. If Freddy leaves next season MJD could be a great #1 stud for a while

 

[switz]

 

[AnonymousBob]

While he had a lousy game, wasn't he injured?

 

[Gr00vus]

Why can't you just be happy for Addai and leave it at that. Give Maurice a break, he was playing on a bum knee and still had a 4.8 ypc average on 10 carries yesterday for goodness sake!

 

[GDogg]

And yet, he's the #9 RB in my league. Not bad for a guy drafted as the #15 RB off the board.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Why are you black-dotting this???

 

[switz]

Why are you black-dotting this???

It's one of those threads I want to keep track of over the course of the season, and so I bumped it. I didn't post any thoughts on this week's MJD performance because my intention wasn't to bump it in a "told you so" way. I realize it came across that way to some people, but that wasn't my intention.

 

[livetogo4sub4]

MJD was flat DROPPED in both my leagues. One is a low$, 12-team redraft, PPR league, where he was taken late 2nd, about right if you ask me. The other is a $ league, 10-team, 1-player keeper league, PPR, drafted end of round1 (basically his assigned keeper, as we decided to start fresh with full redraft just this year, lot of owner turnover this year). I snatched him up in both leagues, and feel pretty damn good about it. Very cheap RB3 in both leagues!!

He's good especially in a keeper league. If Freddy leaves next season MJD could be a great #1 stud for a while

I own MJD as well but my big problem with the above comment is that Fred Taylor signed a 4-year $23 million extension with the Jags in March. Why is everyone pushing him out the door like they've done for the past 2 or 3 seasons? It's pretty obvious that Taylor is going to overstay his NFL welcome and be an old, busted codger. I love MJD's upside, but I'm not banking on Taylor retiring anytime soon.

 

[AnonymousBob]

MJD was flat DROPPED in both my leagues. One is a low$, 12-team redraft, PPR league, where he was taken late 2nd, about right if you ask me. The other is a $ league, 10-team, 1-player keeper league, PPR, drafted end of round1 (basically his assigned keeper, as we decided to start fresh with full redraft just this year, lot of owner turnover this year). I snatched him up in both leagues, and feel pretty damn good about it. Very cheap RB3 in both leagues!!

He's good especially in a keeper league. If Freddy leaves next season MJD could be a great #1 stud for a while

I own MJD as well but my big problem with the above comment is that Fred Taylor signed a 4-year $23 million extension with the Jags in March. Why is everyone pushing him out the door like they've done for the past 2 or 3 seasons? It's pretty obvious that Taylor is going to overstay his NFL welcome and be an old, busted codger. I love MJD's upside, but I'm not banking on Taylor retiring anytime soon.

MJD is a top ten rb this year and Taylor is still the starter.

 

[Gr00vus]

MJD was flat DROPPED in both my leagues. One is a low$, 12-team redraft, PPR league, where he was taken late 2nd, about right if you ask me. The other is a $ league, 10-team, 1-player keeper league, PPR, drafted end of round1 (basically his assigned keeper, as we decided to start fresh with full redraft just this year, lot of owner turnover this year). I snatched him up in both leagues, and feel pretty damn good about it. Very cheap RB3 in both leagues!!

He's good especially in a keeper league. If Freddy leaves next season MJD could be a great #1 stud for a while

I own MJD as well but my big problem with the above comment is that Fred Taylor signed a 4-year $23 million extension with the Jags in March. Why is everyone pushing him out the door like they've done for the past 2 or 3 seasons? It's pretty obvious that Taylor is going to overstay his NFL welcome and be an old, busted codger. I love MJD's upside, but I'm not banking on Taylor retiring anytime soon.

Fred's about ready to have the old fork stuck in him in Jacksonville. I don't think the Jags really intended to honor the entire contract.Fred #####ed and moaned all week about not getting the ball enough. Well he got it 24 times Sunday and put up a whopping 2.83 ypc for 68 total yards while Jones-Drew touched it exactly half as many times and put up 62 total yards while having a sprained knee. The Fred Taylor era in Jax is just about over.

 

[Swampy]

F. Taylor will be toking the rock, for the rest of the season, unless he get hurt. What is the progno on MJD so far this week???

 

[switz]

MJD was flat DROPPED in both my leagues. One is a low$, 12-team redraft, PPR league, where he was taken late 2nd, about right if you ask me. The other is a $ league, 10-team, 1-player keeper league, PPR, drafted end of round1 (basically his assigned keeper, as we decided to start fresh with full redraft just this year, lot of owner turnover this year). I snatched him up in both leagues, and feel pretty damn good about it. Very cheap RB3 in both leagues!!

He's good especially in a keeper league. If Freddy leaves next season MJD could be a great #1 stud for a while

I own MJD as well but my big problem with the above comment is that Fred Taylor signed a 4-year $23 million extension with the Jags in March. Why is everyone pushing him out the door like they've done for the past 2 or 3 seasons? It's pretty obvious that Taylor is going to overstay his NFL welcome and be an old, busted codger. I love MJD's upside, but I'm not banking on Taylor retiring anytime soon.

MJD is a top ten rb this year and Taylor is still the starter.

For the sake of reading and replying to ANYTHING non-Patriot and non-Shark-Pool-moaning...If you take away his one 100 yard game, which is clearly the aberration so far, he's averaging what 6.8 points per game? And in that game, Taylor still had a higher YPC than MJD. Also, outside of that game, he's averaging 4.3 YPC (including his 52 yard run). Bottom line is this kid is good when he breaks long plays, but he's not consistent. Until he can be consistent, Taylor's going to start ahead of him and limit him from getting more opportunities.

If he remains putting up the numbers he's typically putting up this season, he's nowhere near the top-10, even top-20. In fact, he'll finish with around 131 points which was #31 last year. (BTW math was off he top of my head, so if there's a mistake so be it)

 

[Football Jones]

This is actually is pretty easy to understand. MJD is 16th in one of my standard performance dynasty leagues on his paltry touches (comparitively). Bush is less than a point ahead, LOL. BTW, Taylor is 36th. In PPR leagues, MJD is higher, of course.

MJD will continue to be sporadic (but still good) until Taylor leaves. We all know Taylor won't fullfill his contract. Will he be there next season? Not sure, but I doubt it. Obviously, the play is to keep MJD, & sooner or later, you're going to have a top-5 RB.

 

[munchkin]

MJD was flat DROPPED in both my leagues. One is a low$, 12-team redraft, PPR league, where he was taken late 2nd, about right if you ask me. The other is a $ league, 10-team, 1-player keeper league, PPR, drafted end of round1 (basically his assigned keeper, as we decided to start fresh with full redraft just this year, lot of owner turnover this year). I snatched him up in both leagues, and feel pretty damn good about it. Very cheap RB3 in both leagues!!

He's good especially in a keeper league. If Freddy leaves next season MJD could be a great #1 stud for a while

I own MJD as well but my big problem with the above comment is that Fred Taylor signed a 4-year $23 million extension with the Jags in March. Why is everyone pushing him out the door like they've done for the past 2 or 3 seasons? It's pretty obvious that Taylor is going to overstay his NFL welcome and be an old, busted codger. I love MJD's upside, but I'm not banking on Taylor retiring anytime soon.

MJD is a top ten rb this year and Taylor is still the starter.

For the sake of reading and replying to ANYTHING non-Patriot and non-Shark-Pool-moaning...If you take away his one 100 yard game, which is clearly the aberration so far, he's averaging what 6.8 points per game? And in that game, Taylor still had a higher YPC than MJD. Also, outside of that game, he's averaging 4.3 YPC (including his 52 yard run). Bottom line is this kid is good when he breaks long plays, but he's not consistent. Until he can be consistent, Taylor's going to start ahead of him and limit him from getting more opportunities.

If he remains putting up the numbers he's typically putting up this season, he's nowhere near the top-10, even top-20. In fact, he'll finish with around 131 points which was #31 last year. (BTW math was off he top of my head, so if there's a mistake so be it)

I think that FT and MJD are both very consistent. They both consistently split carries and put up numbers that reflect most rb's that don't get the ball enough to put up great fantasy stats. Jacksonville is trying to win football games not fantasy games. We may not agree on how they go about it, but I think that is foremost in the minds of the coaching staff.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

LOL. I just read this thread and there has been nobody more consistently wrong than you in it. In this thread, you said the following:

And this was the problem with MJD - why on earth would ANYONE have drafted him before Taylor was drafted is beyond me.

This statement is so egregiously wrong it's not even worth commenting on. And yet, you of all people bump this thread? You should be running and hiding from this, not bringing attention to it.

 

[Steeler43]

MJD was flat DROPPED in both my leagues. One is a low$, 12-team redraft, PPR league, where he was taken late 2nd, about right if you ask me. The other is a $ league, 10-team, 1-player keeper league, PPR, drafted end of round1 (basically his assigned keeper, as we decided to start fresh with full redraft just this year, lot of owner turnover this year). I snatched him up in both leagues, and feel pretty damn good about it. Very cheap RB3 in both leagues!!

He's good especially in a keeper league. If Freddy leaves next season MJD could be a great #1 stud for a while

I own MJD as well but my big problem with the above comment is that Fred Taylor signed a 4-year $23 million extension with the Jags in March. Why is everyone pushing him out the door like they've done for the past 2 or 3 seasons? It's pretty obvious that Taylor is going to overstay his NFL welcome and be an old, busted codger. I love MJD's upside, but I'm not banking on Taylor retiring anytime soon.

MJD is a top ten rb this year and Taylor is still the starter.

For the sake of reading and replying to ANYTHING non-Patriot and non-Shark-Pool-moaning...If you take away his one 100 yard game, which is clearly the aberration so far, he's averaging what 6.8 points per game? And in that game, Taylor still had a higher YPC than MJD. Also, outside of that game, he's averaging 4.3 YPC (including his 52 yard run). Bottom line is this kid is good when he breaks long plays, but he's not consistent. Until he can be consistent, Taylor's going to start ahead of him and limit him from getting more opportunities.

If he remains putting up the numbers he's typically putting up this season, he's nowhere near the top-10, even top-20. In fact, he'll finish with around 131 points which was #31 last year. (BTW math was off he top of my head, so if there's a mistake so be it)

If you take all of his TD's away he's left with 0. That would rank him at around the 33rd RB. Then lets take a way all of his yards, that would leave him with 0 total points and a very pathetic rating of the 100th RB. Now lets take things further and suppose MJD has 10 interceptions so far, that would put him at -10 points, easily the worst player in all FF.Wow that was a really good analysis, I think you're right after all.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I guess it depends whether your league rewards kick/punt return yardage. MJD has 25 touches in the red zone this year. The next closest? Fred Taylor with 8.

The team struggled to start the year, with Garrard being thrown in as the last minute starter. After the bye week, MJD has been averaging almost 20 ppg-that's including last week's lousy numbers when he didn't do much thanks to a sprained knee.

 

[AnonymousBob]

LOL. I just read this thread and there has been nobody more consistently wrong than you in it. In this thread, you said the following:

And this was the problem with MJD - why on earth would ANYONE have drafted him before Taylor was drafted is beyond me.

This statement is so egregiously wrong it's not even worth commenting on. And yet, you of all people bump this thread? You should be running and hiding from this, not bringing attention to it.

I think MJD will be a fine player to have from here on out but the bottom line is, he's had 3 good weeks. Out of seven. switz may have missed thinking Taylor would outproduce him but he hasn't exactly been wrong in proclaiming MJD a bust.So you might want to slow down with the ball busting and have an actual conversation.

 

[TheFanatic]

MJD was flat DROPPED in both my leagues. One is a low$, 12-team redraft, PPR league, where he was taken late 2nd, about right if you ask me. The other is a $ league, 10-team, 1-player keeper league, PPR, drafted end of round1 (basically his assigned keeper, as we decided to start fresh with full redraft just this year, lot of owner turnover this year). I snatched him up in both leagues, and feel pretty damn good about it. Very cheap RB3 in both leagues!!

He's good especially in a keeper league. If Freddy leaves next season MJD could be a great #1 stud for a while

I own MJD as well but my big problem with the above comment is that Fred Taylor signed a 4-year $23 million extension with the Jags in March. Why is everyone pushing him out the door like they've done for the past 2 or 3 seasons? It's pretty obvious that Taylor is going to overstay his NFL welcome and be an old, busted codger. I love MJD's upside, but I'm not banking on Taylor retiring anytime soon.

MJD is a top ten rb this year and Taylor is still the starter.

For the sake of reading and replying to ANYTHING non-Patriot and non-Shark-Pool-moaning...If you take away his one 100 yard game, which is clearly the aberration so far, he's averaging what 6.8 points per game? And in that game, Taylor still had a higher YPC than MJD. Also, outside of that game, he's averaging 4.3 YPC (including his 52 yard run). Bottom line is this kid is good when he breaks long plays, but he's not consistent. Until he can be consistent, Taylor's going to start ahead of him and limit him from getting more opportunities.

If he remains putting up the numbers he's typically putting up this season, he's nowhere near the top-10, even top-20. In fact, he'll finish with around 131 points which was #31 last year. (BTW math was off he top of my head, so if there's a mistake so be it)

If he didn't have that long run, or if you just take out that bad stretch of games, or if you just look at the stats that support your own argument then you will always be right....blah, blah, blah....In weeks 5, 6, and 7 MJD scored 17, 29, and 12, respectively. He dinged up in the 12 pointer and left the game. He played sparingly in the next game due to the injury, Fred Taylor griping about not getting the rock or both. Facts are facts and the guy is hovering just outside the top 10 despite the lousy game last week.

Got any other tunnel vision stats to discuss?

ETA after looking at his stats by week for the year, he has had 4 bad games and 3 good games. One of the bad games he was recovering from a knee strain. Yep, clearly this guy blows. He's not the starter yet he has 76 points compared to Taylor's 40 (non PPR). Taylor has never even broken double digits yet this year. MJD sucks, why would anyone have the kid on the roster

 

[GDogg]

LOL. I just read this thread and there has been nobody more consistently wrong than you in it. In this thread, you said the following:
And this was the problem with MJD - why on earth would ANYONE have drafted him before Taylor was drafted is beyond me.This statement is so egregiously wrong it's not even worth commenting on. And yet, you of all people bump this thread? You should be running and hiding from this, not bringing attention to it.

I think MJD will be a fine player to have from here on out but the bottom line is, he's had 3 good weeks. Out of seven. switz may have missed thinking Taylor would outproduce him but he hasn't exactly been wrong in proclaiming MJD a bust.So you might want to slow down with the ball busting and have an actual conversation.

He hasn't?Right now, Drew is RB9 in my league (I believe he's in the Top 12 in standard scoring leagues). He was drafted, on average, as RB 15-16. There is no way you can spin a Top 10 RB who was drafted well outside the top 10 as a bust. Using the reasoning from above, Chad Johnson was a bust last year as he wasn't even worth starting in 50% of his games.

Of the RB's drafted in the 1st Round of most 12 team fantasy drafts, Drew has only been outscored by 4 - Tomlinson, Addai, Parker (Fast Willie is only 2 points ahead of Drew) and Westbrook.

Also, it's worth mentioning, but many leagues give points for individual kick and punt return yards now (mine included). He's been excellent in such a format.

Regardless, he hasn't been a "bust." He's outperformed his ADP by 6 slots.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Let's pretend his big game for the year never took place. His ppg average would be in the low 20's at 10.5 ppg. He'd rank right there with Frank Gore and Larry Johnson. And above Shaun Alexander.

He's still only getting about 10 carries per game. That's admittedly not much. However, he DID have that big game and if that were his ONLY big game of the year, you could call it an anomaly but he had two other good games besides the monster one. The fact is, he CAN rip off huge runs.

He's going against the Saints, Titans, Chargers, Bills, Colts, Panthers, Steelers, Raiders and Texans to close out the season.

 

[Steeler43]

LOL. I just read this thread and there has been nobody more consistently wrong than you in it. In this thread, you said the following:

And this was the problem with MJD - why on earth would ANYONE have drafted him before Taylor was drafted is beyond me.

This statement is so egregiously wrong it's not even worth commenting on. And yet, you of all people bump this thread? You should be running and hiding from this, not bringing attention to it.

I think MJD will be a fine player to have from here on out but the bottom line is, he's had 3 good weeks. Out of seven. switz may have missed thinking Taylor would outproduce him but he hasn't exactly been wrong in proclaiming MJD a bust.So you might want to slow down with the ball busting and have an actual conversation.

MJD is rated as the 10-14th RB in most leagues. Not bad a for a third rounder.

 

[Steeler43]

Let's pretend his big game for the year never took place. His ppg average would be in the low 20's at 10.5 ppg. He'd rank right there with Frank Gore and Larry Johnson. And above Shaun Alexander.He's still only getting about 10 carries per game. That's admittedly not much. However, he DID have that big game and if that were his ONLY big game of the year, you could call it an anomaly but he had two other good games besides the monster one. The fact is, he CAN rip off huge runs.He's going against the Saints, Titans, Chargers, Bills, Colts, Panthers, Steelers, Raiders and Texans to close out the season.

Now lets pretend MJD has 0 TD's. That would rank him at around the 33rd RB. Then lets take away all of his yards, that would leave him with 0 total points and a very pathetic rating of the 100th RB. Now lets take things further and suppose MJD has 10 interceptions so far, that would put him at -10 points, easily the worst player in all FF.Wow that was a really good analysis, I think you're right after all.

 

[AnonymousBob]

LOL. I just read this thread and there has been nobody more consistently wrong than you in it. In this thread, you said the following:
And this was the problem with MJD - why on earth would ANYONE have drafted him before Taylor was drafted is beyond me.This statement is so egregiously wrong it's not even worth commenting on. And yet, you of all people bump this thread? You should be running and hiding from this, not bringing attention to it.

I think MJD will be a fine player to have from here on out but the bottom line is, he's had 3 good weeks. Out of seven. switz may have missed thinking Taylor would outproduce him but he hasn't exactly been wrong in proclaiming MJD a bust.So you might want to slow down with the ball busting and have an actual conversation.

He hasn't?Right now, Drew is RB9 in my league (I believe he's in the Top 12 in standard scoring leagues). He was drafted, on average, as RB 15-16. There is no way you can spin a Top 10 RB who was drafted well outside the top 10 as a bust. Using the reasoning from above, Chad Johnson was a bust last year as he wasn't even worth starting in 50% of his games.

Of the RB's drafted in the 1st Round of most 12 team fantasy drafts, Drew has only been outscored by 4 - Tomlinson, Addai, Parker (Fast Willie is only 2 points ahead of Drew) and Westbrook.

Also, it's worth mentioning, but many leagues give points for individual kick and punt return yards now (mine included). He's been excellent in such a format.

Regardless, he hasn't been a "bust." He's outperformed his ADP by 6 slots.

Uhm...Chad WAS a bust last year. A huge one. MJD is top ten, yes. He had three games with double digit point totals (that's counting return yardage). In most H2H leagues, he's helped his owners lose more games than he's helped them win. That's not what owners expect out of a second round pick. At least it's not what I expect out of MY second round pick.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Let's pretend his big game for the year never took place. His ppg average would be in the low 20's at 10.5 ppg. He'd rank right there with Frank Gore and Larry Johnson. And above Shaun Alexander.He's still only getting about 10 carries per game. That's admittedly not much. However, he DID have that big game and if that were his ONLY big game of the year, you could call it an anomaly but he had two other good games besides the monster one. The fact is, he CAN rip off huge runs.He's going against the Saints, Titans, Chargers, Bills, Colts, Panthers, Steelers, Raiders and Texans to close out the season.

Now lets pretend MJD has 0 TD's. That would rank him at around the 33rd RB. Then lets take away all of his yards, that would leave him with 0 total points and a very pathetic rating of the 100th RB. Now lets take things further and suppose MJD has 10 interceptions so far, that would put him at -10 points, easily the worst player in all FF.Wow that was a really good analysis, I think you're right after all.

I'm sorry, my post wasn't clear. Please re-read. It wasn't mean as you interpreted it.

 

[GDogg]

LOL. I just read this thread and there has been nobody more consistently wrong than you in it. In this thread, you said the following:
And this was the problem with MJD - why on earth would ANYONE have drafted him before Taylor was drafted is beyond me.This statement is so egregiously wrong it's not even worth commenting on. And yet, you of all people bump this thread? You should be running and hiding from this, not bringing attention to it.

I think MJD will be a fine player to have from here on out but the bottom line is, he's had 3 good weeks. Out of seven. switz may have missed thinking Taylor would outproduce him but he hasn't exactly been wrong in proclaiming MJD a bust.So you might want to slow down with the ball busting and have an actual conversation.

He hasn't?Right now, Drew is RB9 in my league (I believe he's in the Top 12 in standard scoring leagues). He was drafted, on average, as RB 15-16. There is no way you can spin a Top 10 RB who was drafted well outside the top 10 as a bust. Using the reasoning from above, Chad Johnson was a bust last year as he wasn't even worth starting in 50% of his games.

Of the RB's drafted in the 1st Round of most 12 team fantasy drafts, Drew has only been outscored by 4 - Tomlinson, Addai, Parker (Fast Willie is only 2 points ahead of Drew) and Westbrook.

Also, it's worth mentioning, but many leagues give points for individual kick and punt return yards now (mine included). He's been excellent in such a format.

Regardless, he hasn't been a "bust." He's outperformed his ADP by 6 slots.

Uhm...Chad WAS a bust last year. A huge one. MJD is top ten, yes. He had three games with double digit point totals (that's counting return yardage). In most H2H leagues, he's helped his owners lose more games than he's helped them win. That's not what owners expect out of a second round pick. At least it's not what I expect out of MY second round pick.

Chad Johnson finished the year as WR4. That's a bust? Jesus, what are your standards for a bust?I'm a Drew owner and he has helped me win every game. I've started him every week as well.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

LOL. I just read this thread and there has been nobody more consistently wrong than you in it. In this thread, you said the following:
And this was the problem with MJD - why on earth would ANYONE have drafted him before Taylor was drafted is beyond me.This statement is so egregiously wrong it's not even worth commenting on. And yet, you of all people bump this thread? You should be running and hiding from this, not bringing attention to it.

I think MJD will be a fine player to have from here on out but the bottom line is, he's had 3 good weeks. Out of seven. switz may have missed thinking Taylor would outproduce him but he hasn't exactly been wrong in proclaiming MJD a bust.So you might want to slow down with the ball busting and have an actual conversation.

Using antsports ADP he was drafted on average as the 14th RB off the board. Also using their scoring system, he's currently the 14th ranked RB. How could that be considered a bust?With regerds to your comment about ball busting, reading this thread, he continually comes on here and tries to rub people's face in this but he's actually so far off the mark here. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in saying "I told you so" when you are in fact the one who should be hearing it.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Chad Johnson finished the year as WR4. That's a bust? Jesus, what are your standards for a bust?I'm a Drew owner and he has helped me win every game. I've started him every week as well.

Chad had a couple monster games that made it look as though he was this great wr last season. Unless you were playing in a total points league, he stunk in 2006. There were many discussions in the SP this offseason which showed why he was severely overrated last year and in projections for this year and why Housh was the player to have. When you play in H2H leagues, consistency is not to be underestimated. I still believe MJD will finish top 20 but getting three good games out of seven is hardly a stellar season.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Btw, I want to take this moment to thank you all in participating in a thread that is non-Patriot related. It's rather refreshing these days, even if we all disagree (though that's what makes things so fun).

 

[switz]

LOL. I just read this thread and there has been nobody more consistently wrong than you in it. In this thread, you said the following:

And this was the problem with MJD - why on earth would ANYONE have drafted him before Taylor was drafted is beyond me.

This statement is so egregiously wrong it's not even worth commenting on. And yet, you of all people bump this thread? You should be running and hiding from this, not bringing attention to it.

Hint, try code instead of codebox next time.As for me running and hiding? No, that's cowardly - not me. As for Taylor, sure he hasn't outproduced him on total numbers but:Taylor:Week1: 1Week2: 6Week3: 8Week4: 5Week5: 9Week6: 5Week7: 6MJD:Week1: 5Week2: 4Week3: 4Week4: 17Week5: 29Week6: 13Week7: 5So let's see, MJD has had 3 great weeks, and outperformed Taylor in week 1. But in the other 3 weeks, Taylor was the RB on top. Last time I checked, this is a week by week type of game, unless someone plays TP. So Taylor has been the better play 3 out of 7 times. It's not as egregious as you'd like it to seem.

 

[switz]

Using antsports ADP he was drafted on average as the 14th RB off the board. Also using their scoring system, he's currently the 14th ranked RB. How could that be considered a bust?

With regerds to your comment about ball busting, reading this thread, he continually comes on here and tries to rub people's face in this but he's actually so far off the mark here. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in saying "I told you so" when you are in fact the one who should be hearing it.

So is your contention that on a game by game basis MJD is a great start? Outside of his three big games, would you be satisfied with his season, especially as your #2, borderline #1, RB?The only thing I was wrong about so far is that Taylor should have been drafted ahead of him. And that's only 7 weeks into the season. Who knows, by the end of the season what will happen. But right now he's still the #2 RB to Taylor on the team. He's had a couple big games, but he's been inconsistent, and not someone you can count on every week.

 

[Judge Smails]

Using antsports ADP he was drafted on average as the 14th RB off the board. Also using their scoring system, he's currently the 14th ranked RB. How could that be considered a bust?

With regerds to your comment about ball busting, reading this thread, he continually comes on here and tries to rub people's face in this but he's actually so far off the mark here. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in saying "I told you so" when you are in fact the one who should be hearing it.

So is your contention that on a game by game basis MJD is a great start? Outside of his three big games, would you be satisfied with his season, especially as your #2, borderline #1, RB?The only thing I was wrong about so far is that Taylor should have been drafted ahead of him. And that's only 7 weeks into the season. Who knows, by the end of the season what will happen. But right now he's still the #2 RB to Taylor on the team. He's had a couple big games, but he's been inconsistent, and not someone you can count on every week.

Switz, don't beat a dead horse. MJD gets nearly as many yards as Taylor with less carries. He scores TD's, Taylor doesn't. End of story.

 

[chadjohnsonfan]

As for me running and hiding? No, that's cowardly - not me. As for Taylor, sure he hasn't outproduced him on total numbers but:Taylor:Week1: 1Week2: 6Week3: 8Week4: 5Week5: 9Week6: 5Week7: 6MJD:Week1: 5Week2: 4Week3: 4Week4: 17Week5: 29Week6: 13Week7: 5So let's see, MJD has had 3 great weeks, and outperformed Taylor in week 1. But in the other 3 weeks, Taylor was the RB on top. Last time I checked, this is a week by week type of game, unless someone plays TP. So Taylor has been the better play 3 out of 7 times. It's not as egregious as you'd like it to seem.

Week 1: -4Week 2: +2Week 3: +4Week 4: -12Week 5: -20Week 6: -8Week 7: +1That's just hilarious that you posted this as a case in FAVOR of Fred Taylor....yeah, those 3 weeks of outscoring him by an average of 2.3 pts is almost equivalent to the 4 weeks of getting outscored by an average of 11.0 pts. Give it a rest....this is LHUCKS level shtick............................ (or is this an LHUCKS alias....hmmmmmmm)

 

[switz]

Give it a rest....this is LHUCKS level shtick............................ (or is this an LHUCKS alias....hmmmmmmm)

Nope - and you'd know that if you weren't a n00b...I agree that FT hasn't been anything special. My point was that in 4 of the seven weeks this year, neither has MJD. It's not so much a Pro-Taylor argument, but an Anti-MJD argument. And wouldn't you agree that Taylor being as bad as he has, still out producing MJD in three games this year says something about MJD?Yes he's had three great games - but in the 4 others, if the owners drafted him as their #1 or #2 RB they probably lost.