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McCoy down short of GL - not overturned (1 Viewer)

'Barry said:
the reviewers didn't have tht angle. not hard.
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I snapped that off my tv screen...they had the angle.It is weird because we were shown every angle presented of the Bowe 1 inch short of TD play a few weeks back and countless others....yet this play was a quick glance and a confirmation. I am glad to get the points...just thought there was no way when I paused the screen on that shot...his knee clearly bounces if you watch the video. Clear cut and simple to call...but ignored. Weird.
 
That could be a few inches off the field, really. Hard to say just from that shot that he was down of if he's in the air getting ready to come down.

 
'Owning 1% of FF talent said:
'Barry said:
the reviewers didn't have tht angle. not hard.
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I snapped that off my tv screen...they had the angle.It is weird because we were shown every angle presented of the Bowe 1 inch short of TD play a few weeks back and countless others....yet this play was a quick glance and a confirmation. I am glad to get the points...just thought there was no way when I paused the screen on that shot...his knee clearly bounces if you watch the video. Clear cut and simple to call...but ignored. Weird.
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if they had that angle they would of done something.
 
'Barry said:
'Owning 1% of FF talent said:
'Barry said:
the reviewers didn't have tht angle. not hard.
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I snapped that off my tv screen...they had the angle.It is weird because we were shown every angle presented of the Bowe 1 inch short of TD play a few weeks back and countless others....yet this play was a quick glance and a confirmation. I am glad to get the points...just thought there was no way when I paused the screen on that shot...his knee clearly bounces if you watch the video. Clear cut and simple to call...but ignored. Weird.
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if they had that angle they would of done something.
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So you agree that the laws of physics do indeed apply to Shady and there is no possible way he could have broken the plane with the ball given the fact that he was tackled at the 10 and was falling to the ground?I have a buddy who is POSITIVE McCoy broke the plane and that he "Extended" his leg and lifted it off the ground as he fell forward. So non-sensical that it is almost insane...Hi Phil.
 
I thought he was down at first. After I looked at the replay a few times, seems like he was 100% horizonal going into the endzone. It was kind of crazy.

 
'Owning 1% of FF talent said:
Knee down

I don't get it...
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His knee is NOT DOWN THERE.... did you see the angle they showed going into the commercial break? He is horizontal to the ground and somehow before his knee hits, does this crazy knee kick and keeps it off the ground. It was insane... I watched it over and over in slow motion... but that knee is NOT DOWN.
 
'Deamon said:
'Owning 1% of FF talent said:
Knee down

I don't get it...
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His knee is NOT DOWN THERE.... did you see the angle they showed going into the commercial break? He is horizontal to the ground and somehow before his knee hits, does this crazy knee kick and keeps it off the ground. It was insane... I watched it over and over in slow motion... but that knee is NOT DOWN.
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:goodposting: I thought he was down on the initial play, but the replay showed McCoy actually extending his leg while he was in the dive so that it did not touch the turf.

That photo is not really evidence of the knee down because it is not known if he is still in the air there

See the actual replay on 40 seconds. It actually freezes on the same photo shown and when it starts again, it shows that he is in the air and kicks his knee back

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d823e575d/RB-McCoy-33-yd-run-TD

 
'Owning 1% of FF talent said:
Knee down

I don't get it...
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Okay, I'll try to explain it (although it seems others have done so, and you don't want to accept it). For a runner to be ruled down, while he is down, he must be touched by a member of the opposing team OR be touched by a member of the opposing team whilst on his way to the ground.In this case, neither of those stipulations apply, because the picture you showed clearly shows that McCoy was not down. There appears to be several inches between McCoy's left knee and the ground. The knee is clearly not touching the shadow of his knee, which it would be if his knee were on the ground. When they showed the video replay, it CLEARLY showed that his knee never touched down.

Just because you wanted him to be down, doesn't mean he was down.

 
Also, that line judge seems to have a pretty good view, as does the lj on the other side. I think they should do away with the reviews all together. or just plant each refs in front of a tv. I'm tired of seeing games with more time in review than playing. Let football be an organic game, where mistakes happen.

 
His knee wasn't down. What you are showing is a very bad angle. The angle at field level showed that his knee didn't actually touch the ground and he ended up extending his leg and landing in the end zone. He did a kick starting motion in the air.

 
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'Owning 1% of FF talent said:
'Oh Yes! said:
looks like his knee is down. the defenders foot is on the ground right next to his knee.
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bingo - he is heading TO THE GROUND - he cannot defy the laws of physics.
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He did go to the ground, AFTER THE BALL CROSSED THE GOAL-LINE.No one is claiming he denied the law of physics. You, however, are trying to do just that. If a shadown originates ON a surface, than the object and the shadow must have contact at some point. There is not contact between McCoy's knee and his shadow, therefore, his knee was not on the ground.
 
if you are diving foward at that speed its really easy to have your knee hit the ground then come off the ground and continue airborn.

 
'Oh Yes! said:
looks like his knee is down. the defenders foot is on the ground right next to his knee.
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The defender's foot and McCoy's knee are not on the same plane. It's like if the sun is behind a building or tree, that doesn't mean those objects are at the same point vertically.
 
'Bayhawks said:
'Owning 1% of FF talent said:
Knee down

I don't get it...
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Okay, I'll try to explain it (although it seems others have done so, and you don't want to accept it). For a runner to be ruled down, while he is down, he must be touched by a member of the opposing team OR be touched by a member of the opposing team whilst on his way to the ground.In this case, neither of those stipulations apply, because the picture you showed clearly shows that McCoy was not down. There appears to be several inches between McCoy's left knee and the ground. The knee is clearly not touching the shadow of his knee, which it would be if his knee were on the ground. When they showed the video replay, it CLEARLY showed that his knee never touched down.

Just because you wanted him to be down, doesn't mean he was down.
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:goodposting: He is still in the air in the picture.

The OP thinks that the bent knee is touching the ground - which it is obviously is not.

 
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'jim k said:
'Bayhawks said:
'Owning 1% of FF talent said:
Knee down

I don't get it...
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Okay, I'll try to explain it (although it seems others have done so, and you don't want to accept it). For a runner to be ruled down, while he is down, he must be touched by a member of the opposing team OR be touched by a member of the opposing team whilst on his way to the ground.In this case, neither of those stipulations apply, because the picture you showed clearly shows that McCoy was not down. There appears to be several inches between McCoy's left knee and the ground. The knee is clearly not touching the shadow of his knee, which it would be if his knee were on the ground. When they showed the video replay, it CLEARLY showed that his knee never touched down.

Just because you wanted him to be down, doesn't mean he was down.
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:goodposting: He is still in the air in the picture.

The OP thinks that the bent knee is touching the ground - which it is obviously is not.
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Correct,case dismissed.

 
I agree with OP. His knee even looks like it is being compressed from contact with the ground. The shadows in the picture are from his upper body and not from his leg. The video is even more conclusive IMO.

 
'OPS said:
I agree with OP. His knee even looks like it is being compressed from contact with the ground. The shadows in the picture are from his upper body and not from his leg. The video is even more conclusive IMO.
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Speaking as someone who needed Vick to score 8 more points Monday night: you're nuts.
 
McCoy owner here.

When they showed the slow-mo replay on MNF I thought he was down and :rant: , but they just showed it once, and none of the commentators commented on it, and then the PAT was kicked. So then I was like :excited:

 
'CalBear said:
'OPS said:
I agree with OP. His knee even looks like it is being compressed from contact with the ground. The shadows in the picture are from his upper body and not from his leg. The video is even more conclusive IMO.
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Speaking as someone who needed Vick to score 8 more points Monday night: you're nuts.
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I don't know, maybe I am. I think it is easy to tell from the video that the shadow in the picture is not from his leg. This coming from a Vick owner who barely squeaked out a win. I'm sure if I would have lost because of this that I would be swearing up and down that there is no way his knee touched the ground.I guess the fact that there isn't a consensus in this thread shows that there wasn't inconclusive proof for them to overturn.
 
'Carolina Hustler said:
It did look like the knee touched to me.. And I'm a McCoy owner
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Oh so you're the one......JKThere's been so many God awful calls the last couple years it is just par for the course in my mind. At some point they have to reel in the replays because it is turning into a gong show and the refs can't do their job the right way when they are constantly being second guessed.
 
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