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McDaniels to Interview with Pats (1 Viewer)
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However, I can't imagine why McDaniels would want to come back to NE - other than winning a superbowl with the team, what else does he have to prove?
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
absolutely no idea about this, but do you think that the Pats think he could be the future and the denver fail was only because he wasn't ready....a few more years under bb is all he needs?
captain_amazing
Footballguy
There's been lots of talk about this on local radio. Considering BB really looks to promote those types of positions from within, I can only imagine a few scenarios:1. What you stated above - that Pats think he could eventually take over as HC
2. The Pats believe their OC position is going to be in such dire straits that this is a desperation move to get someone back that knows the system really, really well and has substantial experience, or
3. This is just a "due diligence" sort-of-thing (which I personally don't believe)
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Looking at it from the other side of the equation: why would STL give NE permission to talk to him? He is under contract for another year in STL, they kept him while removing a number of other coaches (so they obviously want him to stay), and if he leaves their franchise QB is going to be on his 3rd OC in 3 years? What does STL stand to gain from this? Can they request compensation if the Pats and McDaniels agree to a deal?
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Rams have an excellent shot at hiring Jeff Fisher to be their HC, and it's already been reported that McDaniels would not stay as offensive coordinator if Fisher is brought on. Fisher believes in a more conservative offense.
I get that, but if McDaniels decides not to stay on of his own accord, he wouldn't be able to coach anywhere else, since he would still be under contract. Why would the Rams just allow him to go to NE if they weren't getting anything out of it (especially since they haven't even hired Fisher yet)?
Donsmith753
Footballguy
There were reports that he's free to leave and Rams won't hold him to his contract.
munchkin
Footballguy
McDaniels has been given permission to talk with the Pats and Chiefs, teams with reported interest, by the Ram's organization.
McDaniels has a great repoire with Brady, is familiar anc comfortable with the offensive scheme and would likely be welcomed back with open arms. Bridges were not burned when he left. Why wouldn't he want to come back to a winning organization and repolish his apple, so to speak?
McDaniels has a great repoire with Brady, is familiar anc comfortable with the offensive scheme and would likely be welcomed back with open arms. Bridges were not burned when he left. Why wouldn't he want to come back to a winning organization and repolish his apple, so to speak?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
3 years, 3 oc's for Bradford. Great way to groom a QB St. Louis.
Why is this desperation? BB followed Parcells to NE after he got dumped in Cleveland and again to NYJ.He left on good terms with BB by all accounts with some glowing info from BB (When does he do that?).
Knows system
Knows QB and Tom LOVES him
BB likes to hire from within and are WR or TE coaches ready?
I don't see Scar or Fears interested at their age.
So he brings in someone from the outside unfamiliar? I'm thinking no.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The real question is, what has he proven thus far? After a short-lived, good start in Denver, he sucked as a head coach, and got fired before his 2nd year was up, and he sucked as the OC in St. Louis this past season. He still has plenty to prove.
Brock Middlebrook
Footballguy
he had crap to work with in Stl.Bradford is not a good QB. The WRs stunk. The line was poor. He had no offseason beacsue of the holdout. He's an OC, not a miracle worker.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Why even bother interviewing him? Pretty sure they know about him.
The NE offense was certain no slouch this year without mcdaniels. I don't see the point here or the new for him or any other oc. This team has been scoring PTs at will for years now. With their personnel, brady, those tight ends, welker, and te rbs they ate as good as any offense in the nfl. You could make daffy duck their OC and he'd have success!
captain_amazing
Footballguy
You are right, this isn't a "desperation" move. I used the word "desperation" incorrectly - I was attempting to point out the unusualness of the Patriots looking to hire outside the organization (labeling McDaniels as being outside right now). However, I think its a big win for the Patriots if they can get him. I also agree that neither Scar nor Fears would be promoted (due to lack of interest) and that the WR and TE coaches are too inexperienced at this point-in-time.
If the Patriots were to not hire McDaniels, I would have to imagine that they would not promote anyone into the OC position, and would just provide someone with the responsibilities of an OC, which would end up being shared with another coach or staff member.
I completely agree he has plenty to prove..... but can he really prove anything more by being successful in a position he has already proven to be successful in (specifically in the Patriots system)?
munchkin
Footballguy
Ugh, that was awful on my part!!!!!!!!!!
massraider
Footballguy
No one else had an offseason. If every single team has the exact same situation, then no one can claim that situation as some sort of handicap. And a bunch of new coaches and QBs came in and did fine.Also, He had crap to work with? No one was saying this before the season? He took last year's team, that had improved afteer being the worst team in the league, and he made them worse. So again, what has he proven, really?
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
Rapid reaction: Josh McDaniels
By Mike Reiss
A few quick-hit thoughts on ESPN's report, from NFL Insider Adam Schefter, that Josh McDaniels is expected to return to the Patriots (link here):
1. Great move. This was a slam dunk. I previously wrote strongly on the possibility because it looked like it had a realistic chance of happening with all the stars aligning (link here). While it hurts to lose offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien following the playoffs, this eases the blow, and sets up the possibility for a long-term net gain for the Patriots.
2. Immediate start. This is the most compelling aspect of Schefter's report -- McDaniels is expected to start working now. I wondered if Bill Belichick would shy away from this, the idea of tweaking the overall coach-player dynamic, and the staff dynamic, heading into the playoffs. This speaks to Belichick's trust in McDaniels.
3. Looks like the Rams just give the Patriots a gift. In a case like this, one wonders why the Rams wouldn't request some form of compensation from the Patriots for something so valuable. They didn't have to hold McDaniels "hostage", but they would have been doing what was best for the Rams by at least getting something in return. Perhaps they did and it is simply isn't known at this point.
4. What can McDaniels provide now? In his work as Rams offensive coordinator this year, McDaniels drew up plans against these playoff teams -- Giants, Ravens, Packers, Saints, Bengals, Steelers and 49ers. There is significant value in McDaniels' work for the Patriots in this regard.
5. McDaniels-Belichick bond. The two coaches remained close since McDaniels departed to become Broncos head coach. In the documentary "Bill Belichick: A Football Life", there was the scene where Belichick met with McDaniels before the game and they talked about passing on the game-ending handshake. Belichick wanted to avoid the media circus. The two later had dialogue on trades, and would convene at league meetings, their bond remaining strong.
By Mike Reiss
A few quick-hit thoughts on ESPN's report, from NFL Insider Adam Schefter, that Josh McDaniels is expected to return to the Patriots (link here):
1. Great move. This was a slam dunk. I previously wrote strongly on the possibility because it looked like it had a realistic chance of happening with all the stars aligning (link here). While it hurts to lose offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien following the playoffs, this eases the blow, and sets up the possibility for a long-term net gain for the Patriots.
2. Immediate start. This is the most compelling aspect of Schefter's report -- McDaniels is expected to start working now. I wondered if Bill Belichick would shy away from this, the idea of tweaking the overall coach-player dynamic, and the staff dynamic, heading into the playoffs. This speaks to Belichick's trust in McDaniels.
3. Looks like the Rams just give the Patriots a gift. In a case like this, one wonders why the Rams wouldn't request some form of compensation from the Patriots for something so valuable. They didn't have to hold McDaniels "hostage", but they would have been doing what was best for the Rams by at least getting something in return. Perhaps they did and it is simply isn't known at this point.
4. What can McDaniels provide now? In his work as Rams offensive coordinator this year, McDaniels drew up plans against these playoff teams -- Giants, Ravens, Packers, Saints, Bengals, Steelers and 49ers. There is significant value in McDaniels' work for the Patriots in this regard.
5. McDaniels-Belichick bond. The two coaches remained close since McDaniels departed to become Broncos head coach. In the documentary "Bill Belichick: A Football Life", there was the scene where Belichick met with McDaniels before the game and they talked about passing on the game-ending handshake. Belichick wanted to avoid the media circus. The two later had dialogue on trades, and would convene at league meetings, their bond remaining strong.
Boston
Footballguy
This one is pretty simple...the Pats have an opening at OC and the best candidate for THEIR system was available...this means there will be no bumps in the road heading into 2012...for McDaniels this is a smart move...working with Tom Brady is nothing but a positive on the resume-building front...for conspiracy theorists there's always the thought he's BB's heir but there's zero evidence he's thinking of hanging them up...the LLoyd angle is interesting as he has said he's going wherever McDaniels goes and the Pats have a big hole at WR heading into 2012 and Lloyd has the potential to be a big-time addition...
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munchkin
Footballguy
McDaniels did some solid things in Denver before it all fell apart. The list of bad draft picks is long but he drafted some players other teams and pundits were high on. His overall draft grade has to be low.He got great numbers out of Lloyd and Cutler for a while. His offenses in denver weren't horrible but they did not sustain nor win enough games as a team.St Louis was a mess on every level. Bradford fought injuries and obviously had trouble learning a new system. We will never know if that situation would have been turned around.In NE he will be surrounded by familiar faces; Brady and Co isn't a bad place to start rebuilding his image again. Someone will trust him again. It could be Kraft.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Isn't every Patriot move by definition "a great move"? The Albert Haynesworth trade was heralded as a great move.
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Boston
Footballguy
Obviously you're not a Patriots fan because the natives are very restless with a lot of their moves (or non-moves) the past four years or so...
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massraider
Footballguy
I guess my question is, why would anyone outside of New England think he was some sort of hot commodity? I get that New England gets continuity. That's good for New England. Although frankly, they were going to maintain continuity no matter what. They'd just promote some other guy we never heard of, and he'd do a fine job.I don't even think about the draft picks. That was the Broncos fault for putting an offensive coordinator in charge of their personnel department. But I am reading articles about how the Rams should be looking for something in return, for this valuable asset. Huh? If they get Fisher, those two will pass each other at the airport. He has gone to two NFL teams, and left them both worse than when he arrived.
Love Bradford, love Fisher, excited for this
Any idea what happened to Maurice Carthon? He was sorta co OC in Dallas when Payton was there and seemed to fall off the face of the earth.
munchkin
Footballguy
So now Steve Spagnuolo had nothing to do with the demise of the Rams franchise?'massraider said:
You can't ignore all the injuries the TEAM had as well. Until they traded for Lloyd there wasn't a receiver left standing. Bradford had a hard time picking up the new offense which is on both him and McDaniels for not figuring out how to make him better or at least deal better with what they had to work with.
KC wanted him too. We don't know how many interviews he would have had once he was sent packing by Fischer.
Shanahan had done a pretty good job of setting up the Broncos to fail. Bowlen had had enough. Not putting a strong GM in place along with McDaniels was another mistake as you pointed out.
Iam happy he is back in NE. BB is happy to have him back. Now they both can colaberate in the Draft War Room and kcik the can down the road
I thought the same thing when I read the title of the article. But nothing in the article says that NE announced it wants to "interview" him--just that they want to talk with him. They have to seek permission just to see if he's interested and then offer him the job.'SacramentoBob said:
massraider
Footballguy
That's a massive pile of excuses you have there, and most of them are probably even valid. But you are arguing against the idea that everything was McDaniels' fault, which is not what I am saying. I question why anyone thinks he is some sort of good coach? Where is the evidence? He might not have much to do with the Rams lapse, but he sure didn't make anything better, did he? And Denver? Please. Don't even try to polish that turd. McDaniels' career there was a complete disaster in every possible way, and coaches come into worse situations almost every year, and do well. Basically, he has succeeded when calling play for Tom Brady, while working for Bill Belichick. When not in the friendly confines, he has been a total failure.So now Steve Spagnuolo had nothing to do with the demise of the Rams franchise? You can't ignore all the injuries the TEAM had as well. Until they traded for Lloyd there wasn't a receiver left standing. Bradford had a hard time picking up the new offense which is on both him and McDaniels for not figuring out how to make him better or at least deal better with what they had to work with.KC wanted him too. We don't know how many interviews he would have had once he was sent packing by Fischer. Shanahan had done a pretty good job of setting up the Broncos to fail. Bowlen had had enough. Not putting a strong GM in place along with McDaniels was another mistake as you pointed out. Iam happy he is back in NE. BB is happy to have him back. Now they both can colaberate in the Draft War Room and kcik the can down the road
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I think this is an awesome move and if Obrien had to be replaced it couldn't have worked out better for the Pats'David Yudkin said:
munchkin
Footballguy
If you are a Raider's fan which I am assuming given your moniker the McDaniels situation in Denver must ring true with you given the performance and arrogance of Hue Jackson. McDaniels exibited all those traits in Denver. His fatal flaw there wasn't the bad drafting and continuance of Shanahan's poor decisions, it was the sheer stupidity of following his mentor's poor decision to tape other teams. The fallen in the coach's ranks did (does) not begin and end with McDaniels. Dallas has been a waste land, as have the Raiders; ditto for Washington, pre-Harbaugh SF, San Diego, pre-Schwartz Detroit and on and on.As I said, McD has a lot to learn. You may not like to admit any successes he has had and that is fine. But if he was a turd he would not be back in NE. BB has made many mistakes in his own right but he and Kraft are not about to put their reputations on the line for someone who they believe is a failure.That's a massive pile of excuses you have there, and most of them are probably even valid. But you are arguing against the idea that everything was McDaniels' fault, which is not what I am saying. I question why anyone thinks he is some sort of good coach? Where is the evidence? He might not have much to do with the Rams lapse, but he sure didn't make anything better, did he? And Denver? Please. Don't even try to polish that turd. McDaniels' career there was a complete disaster in every possible way, and coaches come into worse situations almost every year, and do well. Basically, he has succeeded when calling play for Tom Brady, while working for Bill Belichick. When not in the friendly confines, he has been a total failure.So now Steve Spagnuolo had nothing to do with the demise of the Rams franchise? You can't ignore all the injuries the TEAM had as well. Until they traded for Lloyd there wasn't a receiver left standing. Bradford had a hard time picking up the new offense which is on both him and McDaniels for not figuring out how to make him better or at least deal better with what they had to work with.KC wanted him too. We don't know how many interviews he would have had once he was sent packing by Fischer. Shanahan had done a pretty good job of setting up the Broncos to fail. Bowlen had had enough. Not putting a strong GM in place along with McDaniels was another mistake as you pointed out. Iam happy he is back in NE. BB is happy to have him back. Now they both can colaberate in the Draft War Room and kcik the can down the road
massraider
Footballguy
Whew. That's a long way to reach to somehow make it about the team I root for.
This isn't a gross attack on all things Patriot, you know. This is me wondering why anyone would still be excited about this guy. He's had successes? Great. Those were as a Patriot assistant, which has proven to not mean much when those assistants move on.
I liken it to Eagle quarterbacks. Don't know how many times people are going to give draft picks up for QBs that look awful once they leave the system. Basically, I think McDaniels is not as smart as HE thinks he is. He needed to adjust on the fly once he left New England, and he couldn't do it.
This isn't a gross attack on all things Patriot, you know. This is me wondering why anyone would still be excited about this guy. He's had successes? Great. Those were as a Patriot assistant, which has proven to not mean much when those assistants move on.
I liken it to Eagle quarterbacks. Don't know how many times people are going to give draft picks up for QBs that look awful once they leave the system. Basically, I think McDaniels is not as smart as HE thinks he is. He needed to adjust on the fly once he left New England, and he couldn't do it.
Phlash
Footballguy
He got two good seasons out of Kyle friggin Orton, while the next year Kyle's number plummet because of coaching changes. That in itself is pretty great I think. Last year was a lot of bad luck - hard to fault him for injuries and important players underperforming.That's a massive pile of excuses you have there, and most of them are probably even valid. But you are arguing against the idea that everything was McDaniels' fault, which is not what I am saying. I question why anyone thinks he is some sort of good coach? Where is the evidence? He might not have much to do with the Rams lapse, but he sure didn't make anything better, did he? And Denver? Please. Don't even try to polish that turd. McDaniels' career there was a complete disaster in every possible way, and coaches come into worse situations almost every year, and do well. Basically, he has succeeded when calling play for Tom Brady, while working for Bill Belichick. When not in the friendly confines, he has been a total failure.So now Steve Spagnuolo had nothing to do with the demise of the Rams franchise? You can't ignore all the injuries the TEAM had as well. Until they traded for Lloyd there wasn't a receiver left standing. Bradford had a hard time picking up the new offense which is on both him and McDaniels for not figuring out how to make him better or at least deal better with what they had to work with.KC wanted him too. We don't know how many interviews he would have had once he was sent packing by Fischer. Shanahan had done a pretty good job of setting up the Broncos to fail. Bowlen had had enough. Not putting a strong GM in place along with McDaniels was another mistake as you pointed out. Iam happy he is back in NE. BB is happy to have him back. Now they both can colaberate in the Draft War Room and kcik the can down the road
munchkin
Footballguy
Not a long reach at all. Hue Jackson, much like McDaniels, was put in a similar position with similar results. HIS ego much like McDaniel's has created problems for their respective teams, a pretty easy analogy really.If you want to ignore his 6 game winning streak in his first year and the production of Orton and Lloyd during their span together in Denver that's fine. He put together some pretty good game plans in his day. He turned out not to be a good head coach in Denver. He was entrusted with too much. Bringing up the Eagles is apropos as Childress, despite his one season surge with Favre, never figured it out as a HC and is nowhere to be found after his failure in Minnesota.You really shouldn't bring up trading for QB's though. I like Palmer and ultimately think he will be good for the Raiders but they paid too high of a price.At any rate I think we agree on more than we are both letting on. McDaniels needs to reel it in. Denver was a failure on many levels; had Spagnuolo stayed on it would have been interesting to see if the offense in St Louis would have turned it around in its 2nd year.
Workhorse
Footballguy
McDaniels was more impressive for his work with the 2008 team. While they still had Moss and Welker, once Brady went down, this was a broken offense with a marginal QB that was coached up to an 11-5 record, ranking top 5 in total offense and number 1 in first downs. That was a hell of a coaching job and it led more directly to his job in Denver than the prior year's success with Brady at the helm.
massraider
Footballguy
1. Can I get a quick list of how Hue Jackson's ego caused problems? I know this whole Raiders thing you have going ties in somehow to McDaniels, I'm excited to see how it works out. Just a quick rundown on Hue's ego problems, that'd be great. 2. If McDaniels' list off successes is a 6 game winning streak, and the stats of two players, then you have made my point for me.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
yes.
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