McDaniels to Interview with Pats (1 Viewer)

[Kool-Aid Larry]

so now that his work in razing an AFC threat has been accomplished he has been summoned home?

he'll be debriefed and sent to take over the dolphins next year, or maybe oc for the jets.

 

[munchkin]

Whew. That's a long way to reach to somehow make it about the team I root for.This isn't a gross attack on all things Patriot, you know. This is me wondering why anyone would still be excited about this guy. He's had successes? Great. Those were as a Patriot assistant, which has proven to not mean much when those assistants move on. I liken it to Eagle quarterbacks. Don't know how many times people are going to give draft picks up for QBs that look awful once they leave the system. Basically, I think McDaniels is not as smart as HE thinks he is. He needed to adjust on the fly once he left New England, and he couldn't do it.

Not a long reach at all. Hue Jackson, much like McDaniels, was put in a similar position with similar results. HIS ego much like McDaniel's has created problems for their respective teams, a pretty easy analogy really.If you want to ignore his 6 game winning streak in his first year and the production of Orton and Lloyd during their span together in Denver that's fine. He put together some pretty good game plans in his day. He turned out not to be a good head coach in Denver. He was entrusted with too much.

1. Can I get a quick list of how Hue Jackson's ego caused problems? I know this whole Raiders thing you have going ties in somehow to McDaniels, I'm excited to see how it works out. Just a quick rundown on Hue's ego problems, that'd be great. 2. If McDaniels' list off successes is a 6 game winning streak, and the stats of two players, then you have made my point for me.

A first and a second for Palmer when no one else was coming close to giving that up because he KNOWS Palmer and can use him to get to the promised land. A deal WIDELY belived to be awful. But then I suppose you have come to expect that from the Raider's organization; so maybe not.His ongoing issues with the hiring of Reggie McKenzie and his desire to have greater control over the organization.Oakland is a mess. The defense has gone down hill and the team continues to be an undisciplined laughing stock with Jackson at the helm.

 

[massraider]

Whew. That's a long way to reach to somehow make it about the team I root for.This isn't a gross attack on all things Patriot, you know. This is me wondering why anyone would still be excited about this guy. He's had successes? Great. Those were as a Patriot assistant, which has proven to not mean much when those assistants move on. I liken it to Eagle quarterbacks. Don't know how many times people are going to give draft picks up for QBs that look awful once they leave the system. Basically, I think McDaniels is not as smart as HE thinks he is. He needed to adjust on the fly once he left New England, and he couldn't do it.

Not a long reach at all. Hue Jackson, much like McDaniels, was put in a similar position with similar results. HIS ego much like McDaniel's has created problems for their respective teams, a pretty easy analogy really.If you want to ignore his 6 game winning streak in his first year and the production of Orton and Lloyd during their span together in Denver that's fine. He put together some pretty good game plans in his day. He turned out not to be a good head coach in Denver. He was entrusted with too much.

1. Can I get a quick list of how Hue Jackson's ego caused problems? I know this whole Raiders thing you have going ties in somehow to McDaniels, I'm excited to see how it works out. Just a quick rundown on Hue's ego problems, that'd be great. 2. If McDaniels' list off successes is a 6 game winning streak, and the stats of two players, then you have made my point for me.

A first and a second for Palmer when no one else was coming close to giving that up because he KNOWS Palmer and can use him to get to the promised land. A deal WIDELY belived to be awful. But then I suppose you have come to expect that from the Raider's organization; so maybe not.His ongoing issues with the hiring of Reggie McKenzie and his desire to have greater control over the organization.Oakland is a mess. The defense has gone down hill and the team continues to be an undisciplined laughing stock with Jackson at the helm.

The Palmer trade hasn't caused any problems in Oakland. You may not like the trade, I wasn't crazy about it, but it hasn't caused any problems, let alone claiming it was an ego thing.As to his ongoing issues with the hiring of Reggie McKenzie: There isn't one lick of anything approaching proof that there is an issue. There is no issue between McKenzie and Hue. Unless you can provide some sort of quote from Hue or McKenzie that I must have missed, I will assume you are just making stuff up.Again, I know Hue Jackson has a lot to do with the abortion of a career McDaniels has had since leaving the nest, but let's stay with facts, and not Pro Football Talk speculation, whaddya say? Mike Florio and Gregg Rosenthal speculating that Hue has a problem with the new GM isn't an "ongoing issue".

 

[KGB]

This one is pretty simple...the Pats have an opening at OC and the best candidate for THEIR system was available...this means there will be no bumps in the road heading into 2012...for McDaniels this is a smart move...working with Tom Brady is nothing but a positive on the resume-building front...for conspiracy theorists there's always the thought he's BB's heir but there's zero evidence he's thinking of hanging them up...the LLoyd angle is interesting as he has said he's going wherever McDaniels goes and the Pats have a big hole at WR heading into 2012 and Lloyd has the potential to be a big-time addition...

Wow, that could be sick. Any links?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

This one is pretty simple...the Pats have an opening at OC and the best candidate for THEIR system was available...this means there will be no bumps in the road heading into 2012...for McDaniels this is a smart move...working with Tom Brady is nothing but a positive on the resume-building front...for conspiracy theorists there's always the thought he's BB's heir but there's zero evidence he's thinking of hanging them up...the LLoyd angle is interesting as he has said he's going wherever McDaniels goes and the Pats have a big hole at WR heading into 2012 and Lloyd has the potential to be a big-time addition...

Wow, that could be sick. Any links?

it's true ---lloyd loves mcd --- don't know what his contract situation is, but there's always trades.edit: 2012: Free Agent...............

 

[Boston]

This one is pretty simple...the Pats have an opening at OC and the best candidate for THEIR system was available...this means there will be no bumps in the road heading into 2012...for McDaniels this is a smart move...working with Tom Brady is nothing but a positive on the resume-building front...for conspiracy theorists there's always the thought he's BB's heir but there's zero evidence he's thinking of hanging them up...the LLoyd angle is interesting as he has said he's going wherever McDaniels goes and the Pats have a big hole at WR heading into 2012 and Lloyd has the potential to be a big-time addition...

Wow, that could be sick. Any links?

http://www.patspulpit.com/2012/1/7/2689915/could-brandon-lloyd-follow-josh-mcdaniels-to-the-patriots

 

[KGB]

This one is pretty simple...the Pats have an opening at OC and the best candidate for THEIR system was available...this means there will be no bumps in the road heading into 2012...for McDaniels this is a smart move...working with Tom Brady is nothing but a positive on the resume-building front...for conspiracy theorists there's always the thought he's BB's heir but there's zero evidence he's thinking of hanging them up...the LLoyd angle is interesting as he has said he's going wherever McDaniels goes and the Pats have a big hole at WR heading into 2012 and Lloyd has the potential to be a big-time addition...

Wow, that could be sick. Any links?

http://www.patspulpit.com/2012/1/7/2689915/could-brandon-lloyd-follow-josh-mcdaniels-to-the-patriots

 

[Borat]

The real question is, what has he proven thus far?

Aside from being the OC of the best offense in modern NFL history?

McDaniels was more impressive for his work with the 2008 team. While they still had Moss and Welker, once Brady went down, this was a broken offense with a marginal QB that was coached up to an 11-5 record, ranking top 5 in total offense and number 1 in first downs. That was a hell of a coaching job and it led more directly to his job in Denver than the prior year's success with Brady at the helm.

Oh, I agree. It's that someone would question McDaniel's credentials.

 

[Slapdash]

I don't think it's fair that McDaniels can work for the Pats this year in the playoffs

Not fair at all.

 

[pghrob]

Now if McDaniels lands with the Pats this week, he gets to take his revenge against the Broncos.

 

[Borat]

Now if McDaniels lands with the Pats this week, he gets to take his revenge against the Broncos.

He's already in.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

revenge game!!!!

I expect pats will be playing with chips on their shoulders.

 

[Mile High]

revenge game!!!!I expect pats will be playing with chips on their shoulders.

??Revenge game? McDaniels deserved to be fired from the Broncos.

 

[The Kuhn]

revenge game!!!!I expect pats will be playing with chips on their shoulders.

??Revenge game? McDaniels deserved to be fired from the Broncos.

And most of the players he shafted while there aren't with the team anymore. Maybe Eddie Royal can show he's a viable option now that Decker is out. Then after the game, the Broncos can leave Moreno and Brady Quinn on the Pats bus.

 

[munchkin]

Whew. That's a long way to reach to somehow make it about the team I root for.

This isn't a gross attack on all things Patriot, you know. This is me wondering why anyone would still be excited about this guy. He's had successes? Great. Those were as a Patriot assistant, which has proven to not mean much when those assistants move on.

I liken it to Eagle quarterbacks. Don't know how many times people are going to give draft picks up for QBs that look awful once they leave the system. Basically, I think McDaniels is not as smart as HE thinks he is. He needed to adjust on the fly once he left New England, and he couldn't do it.

Not a long reach at all. Hue Jackson, much like McDaniels, was put in a similar position with similar results. HIS ego much like McDaniel's has created problems for their respective teams, a pretty easy analogy really.If you want to ignore his 6 game winning streak in his first year and the production of Orton and Lloyd during their span together in Denver that's fine. He put together some pretty good game plans in his day. He turned out not to be a good head coach in Denver. He was entrusted with too much.

1. Can I get a quick list of how Hue Jackson's ego caused problems? I know this whole Raiders thing you have going ties in somehow to McDaniels, I'm excited to see how it works out. Just a quick rundown on Hue's ego problems, that'd be great. 2. If McDaniels' list off successes is a 6 game winning streak, and the stats of two players, then you have made my point for me.

A first and a second for Palmer when no one else was coming close to giving that up because he KNOWS Palmer and can use him to get to the promised land. A deal WIDELY belived to be awful. But then I suppose you have come to expect that from the Raider's organization; so maybe not.

His ongoing issues with the hiring of Reggie McKenzie and his desire to have greater control over the organization.

Oakland is a mess. The defense has gone down hill and the team continues to be an undisciplined laughing stock with Jackson at the helm.

The Palmer trade hasn't caused any problems in Oakland. You may not like the trade, I wasn't crazy about it, but it hasn't caused any problems, let alone claiming it was an ego thing.As to his ongoing issues with the hiring of Reggie McKenzie: There isn't one lick of anything approaching proof that there is an issue. There is no issue between McKenzie and Hue. Unless you can provide some sort of quote from Hue or McKenzie that I must have missed, I will assume you are just making stuff up.

Again, I know Hue Jackson has a lot to do with the abortion of a career McDaniels has had since leaving the nest, but let's stay with facts, and not Pro Football Talk speculation, whaddya say?

Mike Florio and Gregg Rosenthal speculating that Hue has a problem with the new GM isn't an "ongoing issue".

New Oakland Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie is contemplating whether to keep Hue Jackson as coach, league sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen. Agent Kennard McGuire, who represents both men, has denied that Jackson would be let go.

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McKenzie, a former Raiders player and Green Bay Packers executive, will be introduced Tuesday as the Raiders' GM. He will become the first Raiders executive to hold the title of GM, and sources told Mortensen that McKenzie is contemplating whether he should bring in his own coach, despite the relationship with Jackson.

Fox Sports reported Sunday that McKenzie and Jackson would meet on Monday.

McGuire told CBS Sports that McKenzie planned to "come in this week and evaluate the entire organization."

The 48-year-old McKenzie will fulfill many of the duties handled by iconic owner Al Davis until his Oct. 8 death at age 82.

Jackson handled many personnel decisions in recent months after Davis' death. Jackson, who just completed his first season as head coach after being elevated from offensive coordinator, pulled off the highly debated October trade for quarterback Carson Palmer after starter Jason Campbell broke his collarbone.McKenzie will take over his new job with the Raiders immediately, meaning he will leave the defending Super Bowl champion Packers (15-1) before they open defense of their title. The NFC's No. 1 seed hosts the New York Giants on Sunday.

Oakland has gone without someone in a true GM role since Davis' longtime senior assistant, Bruce Allen, departed for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after the 2003 season. Allen had been a top personnel executive for Davis from 1996-2003. Davis' son, Mark, is now making many top decisions.

Oakland went 8-8 this season after a promising 7-4 start, ending its playoff chances by losing four of the final five games. The Raiders have missed the postseason for the last nine years since losing in the Super Bowl after the 2002 season.Information from ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen and The Associated Press was used in this report.

Sorry, my bad. The Raiders organization is really impressive.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Cut Ochblowstinko and get Lloyd. Pretty simple.

This move just doesn't smell right. The league specifically switched the late-season matchups for competitive reasons. Very odd that McDaniels can start working for NE right away and give NE an advantage this week. No different than signing a player for the week I guess...but it just doesn't seem right.

I'm a NE fan too.

 

[Serenity Now]

Cut Ochblowstinko and get Lloyd. Pretty simple.This move just doesn't smell right. The league specifically switched the late-season matchups for competitive reasons. Very odd that McDaniels can start working for NE right away and give NE an advantage this week. No different than signing a player for the week I guess...but it just doesn't seem right.I'm a NE fan too.

While it's highly unusual, what do you really think McDaniels can tell the Pats about Tebow that they don't already know? It makes for a nice talking point for Denver fans this week, but St. Louis' season is over and word was McDaniels wasn't going to be brought back there anyhow, so he was free. It's still O'Brien's offense (for better or worse).

 

[parrot]

Cut Ochblowstinko and get Lloyd. Pretty simple.This move just doesn't smell right. The league specifically switched the late-season matchups for competitive reasons. Very odd that McDaniels can start working for NE right away and give NE an advantage this week. No different than signing a player for the week I guess...but it just doesn't seem right.I'm a NE fan too.

I think this is a more valid complaint if McDaniels was coming directly from Denver. He's been with St Louis for a year.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Cut Ochblowstinko and get Lloyd. Pretty simple.This move just doesn't smell right. The league specifically switched the late-season matchups for competitive reasons. Very odd that McDaniels can start working for NE right away and give NE an advantage this week. No different than signing a player for the week I guess...but it just doesn't seem right.I'm a NE fan too.

I think this is a more valid complaint if McDaniels was coming directly from Denver. He's been with St Louis for a year.

It isn't. Why is an NFL team allowed to hire a coach from another team during their playoff run? What if the Patriots were also allowed to sign impending free agent Michael Bush for the playoffs?I have no dog in the fight either and don't dislike the Pats but this is to me (NFL rule-wise I suppose).

 

[Workhorse]

Cut Ochblowstinko and get Lloyd. Pretty simple.This move just doesn't smell right. The league specifically switched the late-season matchups for competitive reasons. Very odd that McDaniels can start working for NE right away and give NE an advantage this week. No different than signing a player for the week I guess...but it just doesn't seem right.I'm a NE fan too.

I think this is a more valid complaint if McDaniels was coming directly from Denver. He's been with St Louis for a year.

It isn't. Why is an NFL team allowed to hire a coach from another team during their playoff run? What if the Patriots were also allowed to sign impending free agent Michael Bush for the playoffs?I have no dog in the fight either and don't dislike the Pats but this is to me (NFL rule-wise I suppose).

I would agree with this if there was also a rule forbidding coaches on staff of playoff teams from interviewing/accepting other positions for the following year while their current team was still playing. I can't help but think that Bill O'Brien's focus isn't 100% on the Patriots, knowing that he's got to start recruiting for Penn State immediately, with enormous pressure to get his next program lined up as soon as possible. Allowing the Patriots to hire McDaniels mitigates that disadvantage somewhat.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Cut Ochblowstinko and get Lloyd. Pretty simple.

This move just doesn't smell right. The league specifically switched the late-season matchups for competitive reasons. Very odd that McDaniels can start working for NE right away and give NE an advantage this week. No different than signing a player for the week I guess...but it just doesn't seem right.

I'm a NE fan too.

I think this is a more valid complaint if McDaniels was coming directly from Denver. He's been with St Louis for a year.

It isn't. Why is an NFL team allowed to hire a coach from another team during their playoff run? What if the Patriots were also allowed to sign impending free agent Michael Bush for the playoffs?I have no dog in the fight either and don't dislike the Pats but this is to me (NFL rule-wise I suppose).

I would agree with this if there was also a rule forbidding coaches on staff of playoff teams from interviewing/accepting other positions for the following year while their current team was still playing. I can't help but think that Bill O'Brien's focus isn't 100% on the Patriots, knowing that he's got to start recruiting for Penn State immediately, with enormous pressure to get his next program lined up as soon as possible. Allowing the Patriots to hire McDaniels mitigates that disadvantage somewhat.

Exactly why I don't blame the Patriots, but the NFL.

 

[KGB]

It seems kinda odd at first, but other teams are hiring coaches. Wouldnt be fair to exclude the playoff teams. It's not like McDaniels coached there this year. It isnt his offense.

 

[cubbie5150]

I just don't see why it's a big deal that McD starts his 2nd Pats tenure right now. IMO, it's not like he's some genius/savant who is gonna make some huge difference to the Pats playoff run. If anything, there's just as much chance his added voice can create issues (though I'm doubting that happens either)

 

[DoubleG]

Cut Ochblowstinko and get Lloyd. Pretty simple.This move just doesn't smell right. The league specifically switched the late-season matchups for competitive reasons. Very odd that McDaniels can start working for NE right away and give NE an advantage this week. No different than signing a player for the week I guess...but it just doesn't seem right.I'm a NE fan too.

I think this is a more valid complaint if McDaniels was coming directly from Denver. He's been with St Louis for a year.

It isn't. Why is an NFL team allowed to hire a coach from another team during their playoff run? What if the Patriots were also allowed to sign impending free agent Michael Bush for the playoffs?I have no dog in the fight either and don't dislike the Pats but this is to me (NFL rule-wise I suppose).

I agree 100%. It seems odd that a coach can simply be added to the team for the playoffs. The fact that he was previously a coach of an opposing team just makes it "smell" worse. Even if he hadn't coached Denver previously, changing coaching staff people during a playoff run just seems "not quite right" (sorry - "unethical" is too strong and "unfair" is too 3rd grade).Teams aren't allowed to start adding free agent players from next year - they shouldn't be able to add free agent coaches either. This season is still going on. You got fired from your team cause their season is already over? Too bad. Stand over in the corner with the rest of the losers who aint working and wait until the big boys are done. Then we'll let you play/coach again...for the 2012 season. You had your chance for 2011. You effed it. Child, please.

 

[DoubleG]

It seems kinda odd at first, but other teams are hiring coaches. Wouldnt be fair to exclude the playoff teams. It's not like McDaniels coached there this year. It isnt his offense.

They can hire him. He just can;t work until after the 2011 season is over.

 

[loose circuits]

Brandon Lloyd in that Randy Moss role with those TE's and Wes taking D's attention away makes me drool as a dynasty owner. Lets hope

 

[Sea Duck]

It seems kinda odd at first, but other teams are hiring coaches. Wouldnt be fair to exclude the playoff teams. It's not like McDaniels coached there this year. It isnt his offense.

They can hire him. He just can;t work until after the 2011 season is over.

Why not? Do you think his ability to provide "inside information" ends in 2 weeks?

 

[thayman]

It seems kinda odd at first, but other teams are hiring coaches. Wouldnt be fair to exclude the playoff teams. It's not like McDaniels coached there this year. It isnt his offense.

They can hire him. He just can;t work until after the 2011 season is over.

Why not? Do you think his ability to provide "inside information" ends in 2 weeks?

The rule is he can't work until after the 2011 season is over. I don't think playoff teams should be excluded from hiring coaches but I suppose you wouldn't want the OC of a Super Bowl team departing for his new HC job a few days before the Super Bowl.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Brandon Lloyd in that Randy Moss role with those TE's and Wes taking D's attention away makes me drool as a dynasty owner. Lets hope

He'd be going to a team where he'd see far far less targets - don't forget the Moss role preceded Gronk and Hernandez (and he wasn't targeted much at all the year the two TEs came aboard). If I owned him, I'd prefer he stay in St. Louis and be a target hound.

 

[Casting Couch]

Brandon Lloyd in that Randy Moss role with those TE's and Wes taking D's attention away makes me drool as a dynasty owner. Lets hope

He'd be going to a team where he'd see far far less targets - don't forget the Moss role preceded Gronk and Hernandez (and he wasn't targeted much at all the year the two TEs came aboard). If I owned him, I'd prefer he stay in St. Louis and be a target hound.

I think it's a win win either way. I look for Lloyd to have a very solid FF year with either STL or NEP.

 

[Ray Hueston]

This is a done deal and my guess is he will start immediately and be in the Pat's booth during their game next weekend. He won't be the OC for the playoffs but he will definitely be part of the staff. Pats did the same thing with Weis a few years back.

Nice call!