McFadden Haters Unite! (1 Viewer)

[gregjcross]

Too lean.

Breakaway speed won't be so breakaway in the NFL.

Can't run between the tackles effectively on a consistent basis.

He bounces runs to the outside too much.

Runs too upright.

Bad off-field character.

Personally, I think Chris Johnson (TEN) will have a better career than McFadden. But I don't know anything.

People can hate on Mcfadden all they want as he certainly has flaws to his game. But....He was a super star back in the toughest conference, he beat the national champion team with 200 yards and 3 TDs. He basically burns it up and is physically gifted, strong, capable of learning and adding refinement to his game.

I doubt he is going to be a bust.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Too lean.

Breakaway speed won't be so breakaway in the NFL.

Can't run between the tackles effectively on a consistent basis.

He bounces runs to the outside too much.

Runs too upright.

Bad off-field character.

Personally, I think Chris Johnson (TEN) will have a better career than McFadden. But I don't know anything.

People can hate on Mcfadden all they want as he certainly has flaws to his game. But....He was a super star back in the toughest conference, he beat the national champion team with 200 yards and 3 TDs. He basically burns it up and is physically gifted, strong, capable of learning and adding refinement to his game.

I doubt he is going to be a bust.

It`s all the sad ,pathetic little never beens in life that just pray for people to fail that start posts like this...i feel nothing but sympathy for them

 

[switz]

And switz, you LOVE some guys and HATE some guys, just like everyone else. You just don't need to use your "Straw Man" arguments, sliding in a straw man every once in a while is fresh, using straw man arguments as a way of life is stale my friend.

I thought you were going to let it go with "whatever" - do you want to point out any "straw man argument" in this is thread? As everyone else has easil pointed out, you're making a claim you can't support. I merely pointed out your fallacy, and can back it up.

 

[Despyzer]

People can hate on Mcfadden all they want as he certainly has flaws to his game.

But....He was a super star back in the toughest conference, he beat the national champion team with 200 yards and 3 TDs. He basically burns it up and is physically gifted, strong, capable of learning and adding refinement to his game.

I doubt he is going to be a bust.

It`s all the sad ,pathetic little never beens in life that just pray for people to fail that start posts like this.

You're right. Because no RB that was highly successful in a tough conference has EVER been less than successful in the NFL (as long as you ignore Curtis Enis, Lawrence Phillips, Tim Biakabutuka, Ki-jana Carter, Garrison Hearst, Leonard Russel, Blair Thomas, Tim Worley, Brent Fullwood, Keith Byars, Mike Rozier, Michael Haddix, Curtis Dickey, Terry Miller...)

 

[BustedKnuckles]

People can hate on Mcfadden all they want as he certainly has flaws to his game.

But....He was a super star back in the toughest conference, he beat the national champion team with 200 yards and 3 TDs. He basically burns it up and is physically gifted, strong, capable of learning and adding refinement to his game.

I doubt he is going to be a bust.

It`s all the sad ,pathetic little never beens in life that just pray for people to fail that start posts like this.

You're right. Because no RB that was highly successful in a tough conference has EVER been less than successful in the NFL (as long as you ignore Curtis Enis, Lawrence Phillips, Tim Biakabutuka, Ki-jana Carter, Garrison Hearst, Leonard Russel, Blair Thomas, Tim Worley, Brent Fullwood, Keith Byars, Mike Rozier, Michael Haddix, Curtis Dickey, Terry Miller...)

Did anyone start a ''Curtis Dickey haters unite'' thread at the time he entered the nfl ???

 

[Despyzer]

Did anyone start a ''Curtis Dickey haters unite'' thread at the time he entered the nfl ???

I've heard it said many times on numerous television shows that the very reason that Al Gore originally created the internet was to start a thread like that, but sorry... I have no link.

 

[Big Score]

Plus, it is too easy to pad your rushing stats in the SEC.

The SEC is an easy Conference to run in? I've NEVER heard anyone say this before...but maybe it's true.

 

[Big Score]

The Falcons were so impressed by McFadden that they spent $35 million on some other team's back-up RB rather than draft him.

Not a good argument here Despyzer.Falcons had other plans for their 1st day draft picks than to burn it on a RB, be it McFadden, Stewart, Mendenhall or whoever. Plus they already had Norwood, a RB very similar to McFadden.By Dimitroff securing what he felt to be the best fitting FA RB available, to compliment Norwood in Smith's desired offensive scheme prior to the draft, it allowed the Falcons the flexibility of using their picks to get their franchise QB, help shore up the O'line & secure Brookings heir apparent.

 

[Despyzer]

Plus they already had Norwood, a RB very similar to McFadden.

This isn't exactly stout praise for McFadden. The existence of Norwood wouldn't cause anyone to pass up the guy that all 32 teams thought was the best player in the draft.

 

[Big Score]

Plus they already had Norwood, a RB very similar to McFadden.

This isn't exactly stout praise for McFadden. The existence of Norwood wouldn't cause anyone to pass up the guy that all 32 teams thought was the best player in the draft.

Shame on you Despyzer. You took that completely out of context & you know it, you naughty, naughty boy.

The point you're referring to above & then mangling is that the Falcons already have a RB in Norwood who offers a similar skill set to McFadden. Not that Norwood is = to or > than McFadden...(although who knows, he might be).

For the offense Smith intends to employ, a big bruiser of a RB was required, hence the release of Warrick Dunn & the FA acquistion of Micheal Turner.

Drafting McFadden would have been pointless for the Falcons, as they would've ended up with two RB's of a similar skill set.

But I'm sure you knew that. Just having a little fun, eh?

 

[EBF]

The big issue for me is a lack of leg drive. Speed and burst are important, but you don't need to be a 4.3 home run hitter to be a great NFL RB. The one physical trait that seems truly essential for success at the pro level is leg drive. It appears to be a big factor in determining the guys who disappoint (DeAngelo, JJ Arrington, Bush) vs. the guys who surprise (MJD, Rudi, Barber). That's the big sticking point with McFadden. He has the burst and speed of a star back, but he doesn't have the stocky frame or the strong legs to break tackles. I think this shortcoming will probably prevent him from reaching the elite level in the NFL. I view him more as a suped-up Michael Bennett than the next Adrian Peterson or LaDainian Tomlinson.

I also think leg drive will probably be the death of Jamaal Charles, Steve Slaton, Chris Johnson, and possibly Felix Jones. On the flipside, I expect good things from Ray Rice, Rashard Mendenhall, and Jonathan Stewart. Function follows form. The guys who have the bulky build of an NFL RB have a better chance of succeeding than the guys with thin legs. The cold hard reality with McFadden is that his build will probably restrain his production. That doesn't mean he won't bust some huge runs. It just means I'll be surprised if he's perennially dominant.

 

[Two Deep]

He is the Raiders next Marcus Allen. Watch the film they have almost identical running styles. I just hope he can vault himself over the pile into the endzone like Marcus.

 

[switz]

The big issue for me is a lack of leg drive. Speed and burst are important, but you don't need to be a 4.3 home run hitter to be a great NFL RB. The one physical trait that seems truly essential for success at the pro level is leg drive. It appears to be a big factor in determining the guys who disappoint (DeAngelo, JJ Arrington, Bush) vs. the guys who surprise (MJD, Rudi, Barber). That's the big sticking point with McFadden. He has the burst and speed of a star back, but he doesn't have the stocky frame or the strong legs to break tackles. I think this shortcoming will probably prevent him from reaching the elite level in the NFL. I view him more as a suped-up Michael Bennett than the next Adrian Peterson or LaDainian Tomlinson.

I also think leg drive will probably be the death of Jamaal Charles, Steve Slaton, Chris Johnson, and possibly Felix Jones. On the flipside, I expect good things from Ray Rice, Rashard Mendenhall, and Jonathan Stewart. Function follows form. The guys who have the bulky build of an NFL RB have a better chance of succeeding than the guys with thin legs. The cold hard reality with McFadden is that his build will probably restrain his production. That doesn't mean he won't bust some huge runs. It just means I'll be surprised if he's perennially dominant.

Have you ever seen Felix's legs? He actually has a very well built lower body, not like McFadden at all.Jones

Here are Barber's - he runs with power

 

[EBF]

The big issue for me is a lack of leg drive. Speed and burst are important, but you don't need to be a 4.3 home run hitter to be a great NFL RB. The one physical trait that seems truly essential for success at the pro level is leg drive. It appears to be a big factor in determining the guys who disappoint (DeAngelo, JJ Arrington, Bush) vs. the guys who surprise (MJD, Rudi, Barber). That's the big sticking point with McFadden. He has the burst and speed of a star back, but he doesn't have the stocky frame or the strong legs to break tackles. I think this shortcoming will probably prevent him from reaching the elite level in the NFL. I view him more as a suped-up Michael Bennett than the next Adrian Peterson or LaDainian Tomlinson.

I also think leg drive will probably be the death of Jamaal Charles, Steve Slaton, Chris Johnson, and possibly Felix Jones. On the flipside, I expect good things from Ray Rice, Rashard Mendenhall, and Jonathan Stewart. Function follows form. The guys who have the bulky build of an NFL RB have a better chance of succeeding than the guys with thin legs. The cold hard reality with McFadden is that his build will probably restrain his production. That doesn't mean he won't bust some huge runs. It just means I'll be surprised if he's perennially dominant.

Have you ever seen Felix's legs? He actually has a very well built lower body, not like McFadden at all.Jones

Here are Barber's - he runs with power

Felix is on the borderline between a third down back and a workhorse. He's not as thin as Charles or Slaton, but he's not Mendenhall either.

 

[switz]

The big issue for me is a lack of leg drive. Speed and burst are important, but you don't need to be a 4.3 home run hitter to be a great NFL RB. The one physical trait that seems truly essential for success at the pro level is leg drive. It appears to be a big factor in determining the guys who disappoint (DeAngelo, JJ Arrington, Bush) vs. the guys who surprise (MJD, Rudi, Barber). That's the big sticking point with McFadden. He has the burst and speed of a star back, but he doesn't have the stocky frame or the strong legs to break tackles. I think this shortcoming will probably prevent him from reaching the elite level in the NFL. I view him more as a suped-up Michael Bennett than the next Adrian Peterson or LaDainian Tomlinson.

I also think leg drive will probably be the death of Jamaal Charles, Steve Slaton, Chris Johnson, and possibly Felix Jones. On the flipside, I expect good things from Ray Rice, Rashard Mendenhall, and Jonathan Stewart. Function follows form. The guys who have the bulky build of an NFL RB have a better chance of succeeding than the guys with thin legs. The cold hard reality with McFadden is that his build will probably restrain his production. That doesn't mean he won't bust some huge runs. It just means I'll be surprised if he's perennially dominant.

Have you ever seen Felix's legs? He actually has a very well built lower body, not like McFadden at all.Jones

Here are Barber's - he runs with power

Felix is on the borderline between a third down back and a workhorse. He's not as thin as Charles or Slaton, but he's not Mendenhall either.

I can see that, I just didn't see the comparison with the track guys, whose legs are much thinner than Jones'.I agree Rice and Stewart have much thicker lower bodies, but Mendenhall is about the same.

 

[EBF]

That's an odd angle of Mendenhall. He's a big dude. 5'10.1" and 225 pounds. BMI of 32.2.

Felix is 5'10.1" and 207 pounds. BMI of 29.6. Not bad at all, but slanted slightly towards the light side. Most NFL starters are between 215-235 pounds. I still think Felix can be a starter in the NFL, but he'll have to work his way up from a RBBC like Westbrook and Tiki did.

 

[SugarNuts]

I own Michael Bush in my dynasty league...

 

[gregjcross]

People can hate on Mcfadden all they want as he certainly has flaws to his game.

But....He was a super star back in the toughest conference, he beat the national champion team with 200 yards and 3 TDs. He basically burns it up and is physically gifted, strong, capable of learning and adding refinement to his game.

I doubt he is going to be a bust.

It`s all the sad ,pathetic little never beens in life that just pray for people to fail that start posts like this.

You're right. Because no RB that was highly successful in a tough conference has EVER been less than successful in the NFL (as long as you ignore Curtis Enis, Lawrence Phillips, Tim Biakabutuka, Ki-jana Carter, Garrison Hearst, Leonard Russel, Blair Thomas, Tim Worley, Brent Fullwood, Keith Byars, Mike Rozier, Michael Haddix, Curtis Dickey, Terry Miller...)

Many of those guys were not busts.A few suffered major injuries early in their careers. And If you think the Big 10 or the old Big 8 is on par with the SEC< Im not even touching it.

 

[switz]

You're right. Because no RB that was highly successful in a tough conference has EVER been less than successful in the NFL (as long as you ignore Curtis Enis, Lawrence Phillips, Tim Biakabutuka, Ki-jana Carter, Garrison Hearst, Leonard Russel, Blair Thomas, Tim Worley, Brent Fullwood, Keith Byars, Mike Rozier, Michael Haddix, Curtis Dickey, Terry Miller...)

Many of those guys were not busts.A few suffered major injuries early in their careers. And If you think the Big 10 or the old Big 8 is on par with the SEC< Im not even touching it.

Hearst was a GREAT RB, when he finally got healthy

Biakabatuka flashed amazing talent, but was injured alot

Who know what KiJana Carter would've done

Enis was ok his rookie season IIRC, before the knee injury

Byars was a very productive player for years

Unless you can predict injuries, expecting a player like McFadden to bust is a bit of a reach.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Too lean.

Breakaway speed won't be so breakaway in the NFL.

Can't run between the tackles effectively on a consistent basis.

He bounces runs to the outside too much.

Runs too upright.

Bad off-field character.

Personally, I think Chris Johnson (TEN) will have a better career than McFadden. But I don't know anything.

People can hate on Mcfadden all they want as he certainly has flaws to his game. But....He was a super star back in the toughest conference, he beat the national champion team with 200 yards and 3 TDs. He basically burns it up and is physically gifted, strong, capable of learning and adding refinement to his game.

I doubt he is going to be a bust.

I don't think he will bust either - I think he will struggle a while, probably have to make some adjustments to his game or body - it may take a couple of years or a couple of weeks. But I think he'll be a pretty solid back down the road, though maybe not immediately.

 

[sholditch]

Too lean.

Breakaway speed won't be so breakaway in the NFL.

Can't run between the tackles effectively on a consistent basis.

He bounces runs to the outside too much.

Runs too upright.

Bad off-field character.

Personally, I think Chris Johnson (TEN) will have a better career than McFadden. But I don't know anything.

You think Chris Johnson will have a better career??????

When I read this I assumed the italicized disclaimer was NOT sarcasm.

 

[sholditch]

Plus they already had Norwood, a RB very similar to McFadden.

This isn't exactly stout praise for McFadden. The existence of Norwood wouldn't cause anyone to pass up the guy that all 32 teams thought was the best player in the draft.

Skinny legs and being from the SEC: the comparison dies there.

 

[FairWarning]

Not a McFadden hater, but could there be a worse team to be drafted by than the Raiders. Good chance that he holds out. Raiders (and Arizona, Cincinnati) have little concept of the term "market value".

 

[UnknownCoach]

I could see a lengthy holdout but I dont see it running into the season. RBs dont need as much camp as a QB does but it might give Fargas more playing time early in the season.

 

[ShadowPhunk]

Of all the film I watched on D-Mac - he looks really, really good running through AA nobody while his over-powered USG O-Line blows open trucking lanes for him to dance through. I also don't see him breaking many tackles.

Once in the open, he is very fast - but I don't see him getting that much space in the NFL.

I don't reallt HATE him, but I don't think he will live up to the hype or his draft slot.

 

[Big Score]

Plus they already had Norwood, a RB very similar to McFadden.

This isn't exactly stout praise for McFadden. The existence of Norwood wouldn't cause anyone to pass up the guy that all 32 teams thought was the best player in the draft.

Skinny legs and being from the SEC: the comparison dies there.

You missed acceleration & speed. Both have it...though D Mc has more

 

[switz]

Of all the film I watched on D-Mac - he looks really, really good running through AA nobody while his over-powered USG O-Line blows open trucking lanes for him to dance through. I also don't see him breaking many tackles.Once in the open, he is very fast - but I don't see him getting that much space in the NFL.I don't reallt HATE him, but I don't think he will live up to the hype or his draft slot.

LSU's D is "AA nobody"? If you think that then you really are just a hater.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Of all the film I watched on D-Mac - he looks really, really good running through AA nobody while his over-powered USG O-Line blows open trucking lanes for him to dance through. I also don't see him breaking many tackles.Once in the open, he is very fast - but I don't see him getting that much space in the NFL.I don't reallt HATE him, but I don't think he will live up to the hype or his draft slot.

A.P found lots of space playing as arookie in minny last season

 

[NoFBinLA]

Of all the film I watched on D-Mac - he looks really, really good running through AA nobody while his over-powered USG O-Line blows open trucking lanes for him to dance through. I also don't see him breaking many tackles.Once in the open, he is very fast - but I don't see him getting that much space in the NFL.I don't reallt HATE him, but I don't think he will live up to the hype or his draft slot.

A.P found lots of space playing as arookie in minny last season

Minn Oline>>>>>>Oak's OlineOak's oline isn't horrific, but it's nowhere near the class the Vikes are in.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Of all the film I watched on D-Mac - he looks really, really good running through AA nobody while his over-powered USG O-Line blows open trucking lanes for him to dance through. I also don't see him breaking many tackles.Once in the open, he is very fast - but I don't see him getting that much space in the NFL.I don't reallt HATE him, but I don't think he will live up to the hype or his draft slot.

A.P found lots of space playing as arookie in minny last season

Minn Oline>>>>>>Oak's OlineOak's oline isn't horrific, but it's nowhere near the class the Vikes are in.

Tell that to Justin Fargas...the line did awsome in there first year zone blocking...i see them only getting better.