McFadden injures shoulder (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

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McFadden exits with possible shoulder injury

Darren McFadden exited the Raiders' Week 1 game in the fourth quarter with a possible injury to his left shoulder.

He ran only nine times for 46 yards and caught one pass for 11 yards before leaving. The low number of touches was disturbing, considering McFadden was the most effective Raiders skill player on the field. It was not clear when McFadden suffered the injury, but we're guessing it's not serious. Still, check on his status Wednesday. Oakland visits Kansas City in Week 2. Sep. 9 - 12:54 am et

 

[Workhorse]

"Most effective Raiders skill player on the field???"

I thought Fargas looked pretty good last night....

 

[ShadowMaster]

"Most effective Raiders skill player on the field???"I thought Fargas looked pretty good last night....

 

[blackjack23]

So did JaMarcus (OK I didnt watch the game just saw the #s)

 

[Riflemen]

Can anyone confirm when he hurt the shoulder? I think he did it on the first carry of the game. He seemed to be holding his right arm limply at his side when he came out. Announcers didn't catch it but he took a pretty good shot on the carry and It sure looked to me like he was banged up.

 

[saintfool]

I watched some of the post-game interview with Kiffin. He said that McFadden had a "shoulder stinger" and he could have come back to play but, given the score, it was unnecessary.

Stinger injuries are not a big deal.

 

[cjack]

So did JaMarcus (OK I didnt watch the game just saw the #s)

JaMarcus didn't have good stats until garbage time. By that point, Denver was content to let them move down the field in small increments. Both JaMarcus and Fargas padded their stats late in the game when it was way out of reach. McFadden had a better YPC than Fargas before McFadden left the game and Fargas padded his stats late in the game. I'm not saying Fargas didn't look good late, but up until McFadden went out, McFadden had better stats on a per touch basis.

 

[Facecow]

I watched some of the post-game interview with Kiffin. He said that McFadden had a "shoulder stinger" and he could have come back to play but, given the score, it was unnecessary.Stinger injuries are not a big deal.

I bet Sterling Sharpe would disagree with you.Not that I'm suggesting that McFadden suffered the same injury that finished Sharpe's career.

 

[gasFace]

Any updates on this?

 

[GroveDiesel]

I watched some of the post-game interview with Kiffin. He said that McFadden had a "shoulder stinger" and he could have come back to play but, given the score, it was unnecessary.Stinger injuries are not a big deal.

I bet Sterling Sharpe would disagree with you.Not that I'm suggesting that McFadden suffered the same injury that finished Sharpe's career.

Sterling Sharpe injured his neck, not his shoulder.

 

[Bermuda_Chub]

Given that Fargas is not exactly the model of health, I think right now might be a fine time to take a flier on Michael Bush. Guarantee that he will play motivated.

I'm afraid McFadden will prove to be an injury plagued RB -- he just doesn't have that knack for spinning away from the big hit and protecting his body. I can't see how those skinny legs hold up over 16 games.

 

[kaso]

So did JaMarcus (OK I didnt watch the game just saw the #s)

JaMarcus didn't have good stats until garbage time. By that point, Denver was content to let them move down the field in small increments. Both JaMarcus and Fargas padded their stats late in the game when it was way out of reach. McFadden had a better YPC than Fargas before McFadden left the game and Fargas padded his stats late in the game. I'm not saying Fargas didn't look good late, but up until McFadden went out, McFadden had better stats on a per touch basis.

I would say that his early game stats had more to do with the play calling then it had to do with garbage time or what the defense was allowing. The Denver D kept the pressure on for the entire game and did not fall into the normal prevent D that most would. Denver wasn't taking the same risks on some play calling the would have early, but it wasn't all garbage time related.

 

[JetMaxx]

What I didn't like is that after coming out, the cameras showed him sitting on the bench by himself while the offense was on the field. The coaches could have told him he was done due the score as someone here suggested but he seeing him on the bench like that just sat wrong with me.

Either he was really hurt and had to sit there, which if it was the case he would be attended to by a trainer or someone on staff, but like I said he was by himself. Or he just didn't care any more about the game proceedings.

 

[curta269]

So did JaMarcus (OK I didnt watch the game just saw the #s)

JaMarcus didn't have good stats until garbage time. By that point, Denver was content to let them move down the field in small increments. Both JaMarcus and Fargas padded their stats late in the game when it was way out of reach. McFadden had a better YPC than Fargas before McFadden left the game and Fargas padded his stats late in the game. I'm not saying Fargas didn't look good late, but up until McFadden went out, McFadden had better stats on a per touch basis.

I would say that his early game stats had more to do with the play calling then it had to do with garbage time or what the defense was allowing. The Denver D kept the pressure on for the entire game and did not fall into the normal prevent D that most would. Denver wasn't taking the same risks on some play calling the would have early, but it wasn't all garbage time related.

I think Russell looked better as the game went on. He still hasn't had a lot of playing time and is still learning. I really like his arm. He just needs a better WR core to throw to. Some upgrades in his offensive line would help as well.

 

[saintfool]

Given that Fargas is not exactly the model of health, I think right now might be a fine time to take a flier on Michael Bush. Guarantee that he will play motivated.I'm afraid McFadden will prove to be an injury plagued RB -- he just doesn't have that knack for spinning away from the big hit and protecting his body. I can't see how those skinny legs hold up over 16 games.

I'm not sure how last proved McFadden's "an injury plagued RB". Kiffin said he had a stinger and could have come back in the game but for the fact it was a total rout.Personally, I liked that they were doing lots of different things with McFadden and trying to exploit the various skills he has.

 

[brakeyawself]

So did JaMarcus (OK I didnt watch the game just saw the #s)

JaMarcus didn't have good stats until garbage time. By that point, Denver was content to let them move down the field in small increments. Both JaMarcus and Fargas padded their stats late in the game when it was way out of reach. McFadden had a better YPC than Fargas before McFadden left the game and Fargas padded his stats late in the game. I'm not saying Fargas didn't look good late, but up until McFadden went out, McFadden had better stats on a per touch basis.

Being out there is half the battle......Fargas did have the better average, I guess because the Denver D gave up? Or let him have it? I think they look equally as good in the same offense.

 

[Bermuda_Chub]

Given that Fargas is not exactly the model of health, I think right now might be a fine time to take a flier on Michael Bush. Guarantee that he will play motivated.I'm afraid McFadden will prove to be an injury plagued RB -- he just doesn't have that knack for spinning away from the big hit and protecting his body. I can't see how those skinny legs hold up over 16 games.

I'm not sure how last proved McFadden's "an injury plagued RB". Kiffin said he had a stinger and could have come back in the game but for the fact it was a total rout.Personally, I liked that they were doing lots of different things with McFadden and trying to exploit the various skills he has.

Not saying it proved anything. Just saying that his running style and body type lead me to believe that he represents a high injury risk. On the flip side, he strikes me as a tough guy who will play hurt. Whether you put stock in these impressions is entirely up to you.

 

[sholditch]

Bottom line is until the Raiders D plays WAY better (including secondary, which just sucked last night) then the running game is going to be hurting.

 

[Chief]

I thought it was pretty obvious also, Rifleman.On the replay, it seemed to me that the defender hit him squarely in the hand/arm (camera angle obscured view) with his helmet on that first carry.

Can anyone confirm when he hurt the shoulder? I think he did it on the first carry of the game. He seemed to be holding his right arm limply at his side when he came out. Announcers didn't catch it but he took a pretty good shot on the carry and It sure looked to me like he was banged up.

 

[saintfool]

Bottom line is until the Raiders D plays WAY better (including secondary, which just sucked last night) then the running game is going to be hurting.

i think it's a good opportunity for mcfadden because of his ability to catch the ball. they'll be behind and he'll get get dump offs. if they manage to get a lead late in a game then they'll likely try to grind it out with both Fargas and McFadden.

 

[T Bell]

I watched some of the post-game interview with Kiffin. He said that McFadden had a "shoulder stinger" and he could have come back to play but, given the score, it was unnecessary.

Stinger injuries are not a big deal.

Crikey!

 

[Burning Sensation]

Can anyone confirm when he hurt the shoulder? I think he did it on the first carry of the game. He seemed to be holding his right arm limply at his side when he came out. Announcers didn't catch it but he took a pretty good shot on the carry and It sure looked to me like he was banged up.

I noticed the same thing, i would bet thats what did it. He looked to have his arm tucked tightly to his body like he was in pain. Although he was the one giving the shot on the play.

 

[saintfool]

I watched some of the post-game interview with Kiffin. He said that McFadden had a "shoulder stinger" and he could have come back to play but, given the score, it was unnecessary.

Stinger injuries are not a big deal.

Crikey!

6/10

 

[Riflemen]

Can anyone confirm when he hurt the shoulder? I think he did it on the first carry of the game. He seemed to be holding his right arm limply at his side when he came out. Announcers didn't catch it but he took a pretty good shot on the carry and It sure looked to me like he was banged up.

I noticed the same thing, i would bet thats what did it. He looked to have his arm tucked tightly to his body like he was in pain. Although he was the one giving the shot on the play.

Yep that's what I saw. I didn't rewind it on TIVO but McFadden obviously was in pain and trying to hide it a little. You know that he wanted to play well on MNF. I'll give him some credit if it was a stinger and he stayed in for most of 3 quarters.

 

[Tanner9919]

Can anyone confirm when he hurt the shoulder? I think he did it on the first carry of the game. He seemed to be holding his right arm limply at his side when he came out. Announcers didn't catch it but he took a pretty good shot on the carry and It sure looked to me like he was banged up.

I noticed the same thing, i would bet thats what did it. He looked to have his arm tucked tightly to his body like he was in pain. Although he was the one giving the shot on the play.

saw the same thing..

 

[Possum]

I watched some of the post-game interview with Kiffin. He said that McFadden had a "shoulder stinger" and he could have come back to play but, given the score, it was unnecessary.

Stinger injuries are not a big deal.

Crikey!

6/10

generous

 

[Papa Georgio]

I thought the play calling was awful myself. I mean if they didn't feel J Russell was ready then why have him back there handing the ball off to the point everyone knew it was a run. Then once you get down 30 go ahead and let him throw. I understand protecting your QB and trying to let him settle in but my gosh, the guy is a starting QB in the NFL. I am impressed the either Oak RB was able to get anything since the D didn't have to honor the pass at all.

The rotation of the RB's had no rhythm but that might have been due to the sputtering O.

What's up with all the DMac bashing? Not so much in this thread but just in general. He had an ok night, nothing great. What can anyone expect from such a poor night for the team. I too didn't like his body language there on the bench but I was embarrassed for all those guys and I'm not in any way a Raiders fan. DMac is the youngest player in the NFL. Even at my age my disgust would of been hard to hide. I give a lot of credit to J Russell and Fargas bc I thought both played hard eventhough the game was out of reach.

Lastly I'd rather see some guy giving his all but not be talented enough to get the job done than watch some over-hyped self-inflated ego maniac half-butt everything and get you beat anyday (see Hall).

 

[Riflemen]

I only watched the first quarter and a half but the conservative approach to the O was working. They were moving the ball using the run effectively and burning clock. 2 plays on O seemed to change the tempo of the game... the redzone fumble by Russell and the slight overthrow/drop by Curry. Curry had open field in front of him as the safeties bit on the 3rd and short gamble. Could have been 14-7 right there. The Denver D really didn't stop the run all day. The Oakland D was another story. Cutler had all day to do whatever he wanted.

 

[Manster]

I only watched the first quarter and a half but the conservative approach to the O was working. They were moving the ball using the run effectively and burning clock. 2 plays on O seemed to change the tempo of the game... the redzone fumble by Russell and the slight overthrow/drop by Curry. Curry had open field in front of him as the safeties bit on the 3rd and short gamble. Could have been 14-7 right there. The Denver D really didn't stop the run all day. The Oakland D was another story. Cutler had all day to do whatever he wanted.

they got some pressure on Cutler, but he is money throwing on the run, similar to Tony Romo.

 

[the rover]

I watched some of the post-game interview with Kiffin. He said that McFadden had a "shoulder stinger" and he could have come back to play but, given the score, it was unnecessary.Stinger injuries are not a big deal.

That's not what he said at all. He said he would not have come back in regardless of the score.

 

[Tchula]

I'd be more worried about all the fumbles McFadden had last year in college than his injury status on a relatively minor injury.

 

[bonesman]

Can anyone confirm when he hurt the shoulder? I think he did it on the first carry of the game. He seemed to be holding his right arm limply at his side when he came out. Announcers didn't catch it but he took a pretty good shot on the carry and It sure looked to me like he was banged up.

I noticed the same thing, i would bet thats what did it. He looked to have his arm tucked tightly to his body like he was in pain. Although he was the one giving the shot on the play.

Yep that's what I saw. I didn't rewind it on TIVO but McFadden obviously was in pain and trying to hide it a little. You know that he wanted to play well on MNF. I'll give him some credit if it was a stinger and he stayed in for most of 3 quarters.

Count me on on seeing him get hurt on that first play.Why else would he start, get the first carry and then not come in for the next 7 plays or so?If the injury did occur on that play he definitely showed good toughness in fighting through it for so long.

 

[strong]

Can anyone confirm when he hurt the shoulder? I think he did it on the first carry of the game. He seemed to be holding his right arm limply at his side when he came out. Announcers didn't catch it but he took a pretty good shot on the carry and It sure looked to me like he was banged up.

I noticed the same thing, i would bet thats what did it. He looked to have his arm tucked tightly to his body like he was in pain. Although he was the one giving the shot on the play.

Yep that's what I saw. I didn't rewind it on TIVO but McFadden obviously was in pain and trying to hide it a little. You know that he wanted to play well on MNF. I'll give him some credit if it was a stinger and he stayed in for most of 3 quarters.

Count me on on seeing him get hurt on that first play.Why else would he start, get the first carry and then not come in for the next 7 plays or so?If the injury did occur on that play he definitely showed good toughness in fighting through it for so long.

Yeah, I third that. And I think not enough is being made about McFadden starting...It seems Fargas got more carries than the staff had gameplanned... But he did look pretty good...I also think there's some promise in the occasional McFadden QB Fargas RB option, too...

 

[menobrown]

I also think there's some promise in the occasional McFadden QB Fargas RB option, too...

I agree with this and if it utilized for goal line packages it could really jump up Mcfaddens value.

BTW- Mcfadden is expected to play this weekend. From Kiffin's press conference today:

– Kiffin said he anticipates running back Darren McFadden (stinger) would play against Kansas City, and that his injury, which aggravated a condition sustained earlier in the week in practice, was the result of a “cheap shot.”

He praised the rookie for running hard and taking gains that were there, rather than trying to bounce everything outside “make everything a 50-yard run.”

http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/09...iffin-review-4/

 

[massraider]

I also think there's some promise in the occasional McFadden QB Fargas RB option, too...

– Kiffin said he anticipates running back Darren McFadden (stinger) would play against Kansas City, and that his injury, which aggravated a condition sustained earlier in the week in practice, was the result of a “cheap shot.”

He praised the rookie for running hard and taking gains that were there, rather than trying to bounce everything outside “make everything a 50-yard run.”

http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/09...iffin-review-4/

It happened on teh 22 yard completion to Lelie. A LB laid out McFadden away from the play.

 

[Riflemen]

I also think there's some promise in the occasional McFadden QB Fargas RB option, too...

– Kiffin said he anticipates running back Darren McFadden (stinger) would play against Kansas City, and that his injury, which aggravated a condition sustained earlier in the week in practice, was the result of a “cheap shot.”

He praised the rookie for running hard and taking gains that were there, rather than trying to bounce everything outside “make everything a 50-yard run.”

http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/09...iffin-review-4/

It happened on teh 22 yard completion to Lelie. A LB laid out McFadden away from the play.

That might have been the knockout blow but he was playing banged up all game. If he hurt it in practice and it popped up again during the game I wonder if this injury is going to linger for awhile. I've never had a "stinger" is it a chronic injury that comes back time and again or will it go away with normal rest?

 

[Da Beers]

Doesn't sound like it's too big of an issue. I heard on the radio that he's back at practice today. Here's a link that says he will practice, but I haven't seen anything yet that says that he actually did practice.

 

[Riflemen]

McFadden is not on the injury report this week. Good news. I did a little research on "Stingers" and this seems to sum it up best...

http://www.hughston.com/hha/a_12_2_1.htm

A stinger or burner is an intensely painful nerve injury. The nerves that give feeling to the arms and hands originate from the cervical (neck) spinal cord. As these nerves leave the neck, they form the brachial plexus (see Fig. 1). They weave together then branch as they pass under the clavicle (collar bone) on the way to the shoulder.

Nerve injury often happens when the athlete makes a hard hit using his shoulder. The direct blow to the top of the shoulder drives it down and causes the neck to bend toward the opposite side. This motion severely stretches or compresses the nerves and triggers an intense discharge of electricity. For a few seconds, the electricity shoots down the nerves to the tip of the fingers.

After this intense electrical discharge, the nerves' motor fibers that allow movement in the arm do not function well. The dysfunction is evident by weakness in the arm. The weakness often involves the muscles that allow the athlete to lift the arm away from the body, to bend the elbow, and to grip. Symptoms also include sensations of tingling and of burning or stinging pain in the arm and hand. The extent of the damage varies considerably. The pain usually lasts only a few minutes, but the weakness can last weeks, months, or years. Rarely, the injury may cause permanent damage.

Treatment of a stinger or burner usually begins as soon as the player runs off the field with the limp arm hanging by his side. The certified athletic trainer, physical therapist, or team doctor carefully examines the cervical spine, evaluates nerve function in the neck and upper back, tests muscle strength, and tests reflexes. If the athletic trainer, physical therapist, or doctor suspects that the athlete has a spinal cord injury, he or she treats the condition as a medical emergency with full spinal precautions.

I guess this backs up the theory he injured it on the first carry of the game.

 

[massraider]

I also think there's some promise in the occasional McFadden QB Fargas RB option, too...

– Kiffin said he anticipates running back Darren McFadden (stinger) would play against Kansas City, and that his injury, which aggravated a condition sustained earlier in the week in practice, was the result of a “cheap shot.”

He praised the rookie for running hard and taking gains that were there, rather than trying to bounce everything outside “make everything a 50-yard run.”

http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/09...iffin-review-4/

It happened on teh 22 yard completion to Lelie. A LB laid out McFadden away from the play.

That might have been the knockout blow but he was playing banged up all game. If he hurt it in practice and it popped up again during the game I wonder if this injury is going to linger for awhile. I've never had a "stinger" is it a chronic injury that comes back time and again or will it go away with normal rest?

Coach Kiffin disagrees with you.