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kneeshooter
Footballguy
Any Ravens homers hear anything? I can't find anything, so maybe it's just not serious at all
harryhood
Footballguy
you cant fetch anything for him right now
SleeperPix
Footballguy
I'm guessing you are asking for an update because you think he must have got injured in the last game which is why he left early but I don't think that's the case. I think it was just a case of a player who is not 100% getting pulled in a blowout and I fully expect him to start this weekend.
FFdork
Footballguy
Yep, I've seen several things that assumed he got injured (including the FBGs upgrade/downgrade article), but I've yet to see anything that cited a specific injury. Lots of other sources have speculated what was already mentioned here: removed from a blowout to try to get him healthier for the coming weeks.
We should know more once practice and injury reports start coming out.
We should know more once practice and injury reports start coming out.
harryhood
Footballguy
reported on MFL today. Balt. papers reported he suffered no injury and was taken out in a blow out situation.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Ravens | Team didn't want to expose McGahee to more hits
Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:49:12 -0700
Updating a previous report, Jamison Hensley, of the Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens RB Willis McGahee (knee, ribs) didn't leave the team's Week 6 game because of an undisclosed injury. McGahee entered the game with a knee injury and lingering problems with his ribs, and when the game got out of hand, the team didn't want to expose him to more hits.
Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:49:12 -0700
Updating a previous report, Jamison Hensley, of the Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens RB Willis McGahee (knee, ribs) didn't leave the team's Week 6 game because of an undisclosed injury. McGahee entered the game with a knee injury and lingering problems with his ribs, and when the game got out of hand, the team didn't want to expose him to more hits.
mozzy84
Footballguy
thanks
Scooby1974
Footballguy
what clued you in? was it the fact that he is recovering from a surgically repaired knee? or was it the mention of bruised ribs?
Me thinks it was the fact that he has bruised ribs, and a surgically repared knee. Not exactly in workhorse condition.I would be scared sheetless if I had a RB that is an accident about to happen.good move coach. What quarter is he coming out this week?Scooby1974 said:what clued you in? was it the fact that he is recovering from a surgically repaired knee? or was it the mention of bruised ribs?Ballstein said:
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Scooby1974
Footballguy
there is at least ONE good sport in here that doesn't take things personally.Me thinks it was the fact that he has bruised ribs, and a surgically repared knee. Not exactly in workhorse condition.I would be scared sheetless if I had a RB that is an accident about to happen.good move coach. What quarter is he coming out this week?Scooby1974 said:what clued you in? was it the fact that he is recovering from a surgically repaired knee? or was it the mention of bruised ribs?Ballstein said:
harryhood
Footballguy
like willis this week. I think he is feeling the best he has all season and hoping he goes back to Miami and puts on a show.
North
Footballguy
Hope he gets healthy soon! They have a nice stretch coming up with Oakland, Cleveland and Houston, if he can get and stay healthy he should give owners good productivity.
harryhood
Footballguy
not on the injury report this week
milo66
Footballguy
I got Anthony Gonzalez for him, before the BAL-IND game. Considered myself lucky.
towney
Footballguy
I'm still holding, I think his value goes up over the next few gamesMiavs Oak@ Cle@ HouAlso, week 13 @ Cin
Agreedblackjack23
Footballguy
Doesnt MIA have the #2 run defense in the NFL?I'm still holding, I think his value goes up over the next few games
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I am looking to trade FOR him as my RB3 with my RB1 Addai sitting. But, I'm not talking about giving up a tremendous amount. Thinking Roy Williams will get it done.
(ETA - non-PPR league)
(ETA - non-PPR league)
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Not #2, no. Mia is an average matchup, but the others are all tasty matchups imo.Doesnt MIA have the #2 run defense in the NFL?I'm still holding, I think his value goes up over the next few games
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
I see where you're coming from with this, I do think he's worth targeting at the right price but I've gotta say... If I've got McGahee on my team right now and you offered up Roy Williams for him... Man I'd hit that accept button faster than fast.
Chickenwang
Footballguy
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I wish you were the other owner - he is dragging his feet and not even opening negotiations. It is a relatively inexperienced owner - 2nd year - but his friend is in the league and gives him advice and his friend is a very good player. I am thinking he is in love with the name as a Buffalo Bills fan/spent a high pick/worried that the FBG is going to "win" the trade.From my side, in this non-PPR league, Roy is is completely expendable, but I have no problem hanging onto him. I offered either Roy or Muhammed (who has scored as much as Roy and McG combined), but still no word.
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MCguidance
Footballguy
Thinking about that a bit, I think that is a very fair trade for both sides. You're getting McGahee who really has only one place to go but up, same for Roy, who was basically useless and may be fantasy relevant again. Seems like a win-win to me.In my league, a trade just went down: McNabb, McGahee, Santana Moss FOR FWP and Braylon. The McNabb owner has Eli and Garrard. The other owner is 1-5. Hard to judge right now - but at first glance I like the side for the 3 players better.
I would not trade Mcgahee for Roy but I can see why people would do that deal. If you offered me Muhammed for Mcghaee I would not respond to you either.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Why would you not respond?Non-PPR, Bal O is the suck, McG's TD opps likely to be reduced both by diminished RZ opps and by the presence of two bigger and younger and less injured GL backs in McClain and Rice.I understand rejecting Roy out of hand. But, Muhammed has several TDs this year and his production has been steady - and looks to remain so with the Panthers' cream puff schedule (3rd best remaining schedule for WRs, 3rd best for next three games, 6th best for WRs for the last 3 games of the season, positive differential . . .). Combine that with the fact that Carolina has one of the HARDEST schedules remaining for RBs, and I believe the Panthers will be slinging the ball a lot over the remainder of the season.All due respect, but if you wouldn't even consider Muhammed for McG (PPR OR non-PPR), you are not objectively analyzing the two prospects. You are likely over-valuing the hope you have for McG to be the main man in Baltimore. It is not erroneous to have the hope, but it is not part of the objective decision-making in trade talks. In fact, thinking objectively, I would not trade Muhammed - [bragmoment \on] with Jennings as my WR1 and Steve Smith as my WR2, and Muhammed/Roy battling for WR3, a SS/Muhammed combo should be pretty good most weeks and I can get by on Morris/Mewelde without McG in my RB3/4 behind Addai, JLewis, and Slaton[\off]ETA - to add, Baltimore's SOS differential going forward is one of the worst in the league - 4th behind Sea, NYG, and KC. - which means we can expect their running game to perform even worse than it has so far. Finally, they have the third hardest schedule for RBs over the last three weeks. Yup, I've talked myself out of the deal. It's a bad one for me. Thanks for making me think harder about this, though!
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FFdork
Footballguy
Marc, I think it's the psychology of trading. What you're saying makes sense, but Muhammed is an older player (i.e. always undervalued) who was probably a WW pickup in a lot of leagues. McGahee was probably drafted in rounds 1-3 in virtually every league. You need someone that your trading partner can get excited about, even if it's kind of irrational. Roy in a new offense fits that bill better (even though I think that situation could go either way).
Trading McGahee for Moose is a tough pill to swallow...especially given the kind of WRs you can pick up and start week after week in your average league. Meanwhile, there are tumbleweeds blowing through the ghost town that is free agent RBs.
Trading McGahee for Moose is a tough pill to swallow...especially given the kind of WRs you can pick up and start week after week in your average league. Meanwhile, there are tumbleweeds blowing through the ghost town that is free agent RBs.
North
Footballguy
I look at this a different way. If Baltimore wants to win these games they are going to have to do it by running the ball. mcGahee (if healthy) will see 20+ touches per game. I would rather have a RB on my team that touches the ball 20 + times rather than a WR who catches less than 5 per game and did all of his damage in 2 games.Don't get me wrong, I have Moose on my team but his numbers are misleading.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I hear you, I agree, and I made the point you are making. I expected it to be rejected, As I wrote earlier:
FWIW, in that league, I picked up Slaton, Sammy Morris, and Mewelde Moore from the WW - Moore and Morris in the last two weeks - so WW RB traffic is brisk. Heck, I released Dunn a few weeks ago to make room for someone. I am pretty sure it is the name thing that is the only thing holding the guy back - not the scarcity of RBs in the league or on the FAHe's deep at RB, I offered to throw either Moore or Morris in the discussion if he took Roy, and he is desperate at WR. Moose is better than anything available on the WW in a start 3 WR league with another W/R flex spot.Trading is also brisk in this league - I have seen RBs swapped around quite a bit over the last few weeks (most recently, DWilly and AGonzales for Cotchery).
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Explain, please, how Moose is not a starting WR3 for the rest of the year under any league format. I also have him in a PPR where he's been gold as a WR3. Since Steve Smith has been back, Moose has been a WR2-type player - nothing illusory about his YPC while SS has been back.Regarding your first point, there are two assumptions there that I can't accept. 1) the current Ravens team thinks their best shot at winning is to run; 2) if they run, a healthy McG gets 20 touches per week.
Finally, I am not sure how you rectify McG's likely lack of TDs this year even under the best of projections.
nzranger
Footballguy
I just traded for McGahee/Bowe giving up DeAngelo/Holt. I got the upgrade at WR (though I still value Holt higher than most, I believe he will do good things for my rosters down the stretch run) and took the downgrade at RB. IOW I wouldn't have traded for DeAngelo for McGahee straight up
Muhammed is off to a nice start but when I make a trade I'm doing so based on what I think they are going to do in the future, not what they have done year to date. Muhammed was terrible last year and average at best the two season previous to that one. He's an older WR who I expect to revert back to his what he was the past few years as opposed to continuing a rebirth. If you offered this trade to me I would think you are doing a basic sell high for a buy low. Mcghaee is not part of a RBBC. His injuries are behind him. At absolute most McClain will eat into some of his goal line work but as I've pointed out several times on this site the times Mcghaee was healthy this year he was the goal line RB and McClain was the FB. My guess is this is their standard goal line formation with both backs in the game and both sharing some goal line work but I McClains carries are going to drop to around 5-10 a game at most while Willis is healthy. Some other points I'd consider:*Willis gives you an extra game since he's already had his bye week*Even if I felt Muhammeds production would equal Willis I still would not feel the trade was equal due to scarcity at the RB position. Muhammed would have to a decent amount better to make it a fair trade due to the positions.*The Ravens schedule is actually pretty good until week 14 which is playoff time for most leagues when it than turns difficult. Depending on your team not sure if this is a positive or a negative. If I had a team I felt was a stone cold lock to make the playoffs AND I thought I would have other options at RB during those weeks I'd be less enthusiastic about Willis. Most of the time my philosophy is to make sure I get to the playoffs first and if that's how you feel than Willis schedule is actually a positive during the fantasy regular season and not a negative.Marc Levin said:
Possum
Footballguy
you're trying to trade a 35-year-old "starting WR3" that you probably picked up as a free agent, who plays with a QB that tends to lock on to Steve Smith and on an offense that isn't known for putting up big passing stats, for a 1st or 2nd round drafted RB who plays on a run-first offense, seems to be finally getting healthy and who has a cake schedule coming up. If I was an owner who had stuck it out with Willis this long I wouldn't respond to that trade either.Also, you can't accept that the Ravens think they need to run the ball to win? They lead the league in rush attempts per game and they have a rookie QB under center. I don't think you're being serious with that statement.Marc Levin said:
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Well, we'll see guys. I believe McG is going to have very few TD opps, let alone scores. Ands, even when they were winning with the run, they were mixing it up a lot - and no one back was the star.
Except for possibly in weeks 9,10, 11 which are easy, McG has one of the toughest schedules ahead of him for RBs, especially in the FF playoffs.
Muhammad will outscore him most weeks in PPR leagues, and they'll be about even in non-PPR leagues.
Finally, I am shocked any "shark" would give trade consideration to whether Muhammad came from the WW or McG was a 1st/2nd round pick. As soon as the first official kickoff happened on a Thursday in early September, the draft doesn't matter.
Except for possibly in weeks 9,10, 11 which are easy, McG has one of the toughest schedules ahead of him for RBs, especially in the FF playoffs.
Muhammad will outscore him most weeks in PPR leagues, and they'll be about even in non-PPR leagues.
Finally, I am shocked any "shark" would give trade consideration to whether Muhammad came from the WW or McG was a 1st/2nd round pick. As soon as the first official kickoff happened on a Thursday in early September, the draft doesn't matter.
simey
Footballguy
Jake doesn't lock on to just Steve Smith now that Moose is back. Jake has great chemistry with both of them, and targets both of them a lot. Smith will always have the most deep passes thrown his way, because of his speed. As for McGahee, I traded him today. I think he will be fine down the stretch, but I needed another QB, because all I had was Brett Favre (I dropped Kitna and Hass). A guy in my league has great QB depth, but he will be in trouble next week with his RB's when Adrian Peterson is on a bye, so I traded McGahee for Warner straight up. We both filled a need on our teams. Had the trade not happened, I would have hung on to McGahee. He has a nice schedule stretch with Oak, Cle, and Houston.
problem is people keep their values locked in and don't adjust based on what's happing in the nfl.i gave away mcgahee in my league this week for a LB. i couldn't dump him fast enough.
FFdork
Footballguy
I don't consider myself a "shark" b/c I don't know what in the heck that means other than the suspicion that the #1 sign you're not a shark is considering yourself to be one, if you follow me.Anyway, I can't speak for others, but I was addressing the psychology of it. I get frustrated every year when people don't see how quickly player values have changed, but that's how it tends to be even for pretty experienced players (it's even worse if someone is 'your guy' that you coveted in the draft). However, IMHO, the draft does still matter both in the sense of what you invested in a player and what other people were expecting. In McGahee's case, I'm unlikely to trade him right now in the league where I own him, for Muhammed or otherwise, because I'm not getting that much better value than I could off the waiver wire (so I'm exchanging my 3rd round pick for a guy that may or may not out perform the WW going forward). However, if McGahee can just have one or two decent weeks before my trading deadline (weeks 8 & 9 look promising), I should be able to get more out of him in part b/c of the name value and pre-season perception that lingers, accurate or not. It's much easier for a lot of people to accept that McGahee might be a startable RB going forward after a few good weeks than, say, if Greg Jones were to start to replace Fred Taylor and have a couple of nice games (even though you and I might like Greg Jones better going forward).I hope that made any sense. I think I started to ramble. Damn you happy hour!
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
So, you guys would reject an offer of Slaton for McGahee?
I get the psychology of it - don't want to give up on your high pick. What I have an issue with is why it matters I got Muhammad off the WW. If he is playing like a consistent WR3, then how I got him shouldn't matter. Would this conversation be different if I was offering Holt for McG? How about Coles or Cotchery? What's the line you draw?
All I care about is what the player has shown he can do, what the team plans to do with him, and what I project he will continue doing. And, in trade talks, I add in what I am getting versus whether I can afford to give up what is being requested.
Talent + Opportunity = Production. That formula is really the only thing that matters to me once the season starts.
Last point - why would you all not bother responding??? Why wouldn't you see an offer of Roy or Muhammad for McG as an opening parry in trade negotiations?
I get the psychology of it - don't want to give up on your high pick. What I have an issue with is why it matters I got Muhammad off the WW. If he is playing like a consistent WR3, then how I got him shouldn't matter. Would this conversation be different if I was offering Holt for McG? How about Coles or Cotchery? What's the line you draw?
All I care about is what the player has shown he can do, what the team plans to do with him, and what I project he will continue doing. And, in trade talks, I add in what I am getting versus whether I can afford to give up what is being requested.
Talent + Opportunity = Production. That formula is really the only thing that matters to me once the season starts.
Last point - why would you all not bother responding??? Why wouldn't you see an offer of Roy or Muhammad for McG as an opening parry in trade negotiations?
i would have taken slaton in a heartbeat at this point if i could .in a ppr, he's a goldmine.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Slaton >>> McGahee in PPR. I'd take Slaton over McGahee in any format though.
FFdork
Footballguy
I think I'm kind of answering questions that aren't necessarily directed at me, but:
I'd take Slaton for McGahee and run at this point. There's a world of difference between Slaton and Muhammed in terms of current value in my leagues, regardless of where they were or were not drafted in relation to McGahee.
I think you're looking at this a little bit wrong in terms of me talking about the psychology of it. In a general sense, I'm on your side. I also only care about what I project a player to do and getting the best lineup I can. I looked at it from two other angles: 1. how a lot of people on the other side of the trade think and 2. How the players draft position/expectations do have some bearing on how I would handle a disappointment like McGahee as I try to improve my team as much as possible.Holt is another guy like McGahee, where his name (i.e. history of strong performance) and ADP are all that distinguishes him from a WW player at this point. Cotchery and Coles are definitely a step up IMO. I think the sticking point here is that you have higher expectations for Muhammad going forward than a lot of us do, and that's fine. I'm probably undervaluing him based on what I see in my leagues (mostly non-PPR).
Agreed, but that's not all that goes into making a successful trade.
Obviously that was someone else that said that. If you sent me an offer of Muhammad today, depending on my team's circumstances and the league, I'd most likely decline and indicate that I'm still hoping for a turnaround. Given that I'm actually dying to unload him for the right offer, I'd probably counter-offer.
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
FFDork - thanks for the response. My comment was certainly not directed entirely at you, but I appreciate the thoughts.
The reason I said "Roy might get it done" was the psychology of trading you mentioned. I clearly value Muhammad more than most - but that is fine by me.I am perfectly happy with him as my WR3/4.
The reason I said "Roy might get it done" was the psychology of trading you mentioned. I clearly value Muhammad more than most - but that is fine by me.I am perfectly happy with him as my WR3/4.
moleculo
Footballguy
without discussing Muhammad any further, what are y'alls opinions on McGahee moving forward? 3x more carries than Mclain, 5.52 YPC plus a TD vs Miami, a team that has allowed 3.6 on the season. Also, 47 receiving yards sprinkled in for good measure.
What kind of production can we expect moving forward? Is this a guy you can count on?
I suppose it comes down to injuries, and how likely he is to re-injure himself the rest of the season?
What kind of production can we expect moving forward? Is this a guy you can count on?
I suppose it comes down to injuries, and how likely he is to re-injure himself the rest of the season?
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
I would also be interested in what you think we can expect from Willis from here on out. Is he the definitive #1 RB? Is he someone to be targeted?
