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Uh, some blame for the lack of development of any WR or the absolute choke job in the biggest games of his life???? This is a TO/McNabb thread and in case you didn't know TO complained about McNabb tiring in the Bowl (I'm sureyou caught the last few minutes) and this thread is McNabb's reply to TO. Sorry, I didn't say sell your jersey or anything....
You wanna blame McNabb for Pinkston shying away from balls over the middle, or Freddie Mitchell being a freakin lunatic? Whats this amateur night? C'mon man...If not for McNabb the Eagles wouldnt have had half the success they have had over the last 5 yrs, and if not for McNabb (NOT TO), the Eagles wouldnt have even been playing in said Super Bowl last year.
Apparently it's blind guys night. Anybody that watched the Eagles the last 5 years would credit the D (top 5 in lowest points allowed most years), The coaching staff (top 3 in the league) and the ST unit (easily top 5) as much as the QB. The Eagles are also way higher in rush O than pass O. And to furhter hammer it into your head, the Eagles didn't miss a beat without him.
Maybe the entire Eagles organization should be blamed for allowing "wimps & lunatics" on the team in the first place.
VERY
Last year I said that TO "was a ******* but he's OUR *******." Nothing has changed. The Eagles management took a calculated risk in bringing him aboard. The goal was to get the team over the hump and become a SB contender. It worked. But there are consequeneces to every action.
Ask the Dolphins how important a QB is to a franchise. Feeley really took them to the next level. Im going to go out on a limb and say the guy that is 57-23 in his career starts is a pretty good QB. Without McNabb the Eagles = the Bears.
You had me up to here.Wow, this is one of the stupider conversations i've heard in a while. McNabb isnt important to the Eagles?
Uh, don't think so.
Yep, and you know what? I'd take him. You know he's going to make you happy as hell on Sundays and make you grimace multiple times during the offseason... it's a matter of which is more important to you. Me, I'd rather get to the big game and have to listen to his yap, but eventually I'd get fed up with him and just want him to move on. Eagles will put up with him for another couple of years and then will get rid of him just like the Niners did.VERY
Please. You are hysterical in your support for this behavior. When he ran out to midfield and struck the Christ pose in Dallas, was that the media drawing attention to TO, or was he doing it himself? Did the media force him to deride Jeff Garcia for a lack of arm strength? Did they force him to question Garcia's sexuality?Speaking one's mind is fine, but coming out and openly criticizing team leaders in the press is counterproductive. You can't argue that, and you can't excuse it. Taking potshots at your QB is absurd....he's hurting the team by doing this. He's causing distractions by trying to angle for more money when he just signed a huge contract with the team, AND they've made it clear they don't renegotiate after 1 season.Thank you. I think it is a sign of how things have gone in the NFL that Owens is stilled allowed to perform his nonsensical act with no retribution.There used to be a code of honor in the NFL, and Owens' acts not so long ago would have landed him on a stretcher on one of his trips across the middle. You don't put down your own guys through the media (its patently chicken**** and childish), and you most definitely don't shove an opponent's nose in do-do after you beat him on a play.
Please. You are hysterical in your support for this behavior. When he ran out to midfield and struck the Christ pose in Dallas, was that the media drawing attention to TO, or was he doing it himself? Did the media force him to deride Jeff Garcia for a lack of arm strength? Did they force him to question Garcia's sexuality?Speaking one's mind is fine, but coming out and openly criticizing team leaders in the press is counterproductive. You can't argue that, and you can't excuse it. Taking potshots at your QB is absurd....he's hurting the team by doing this. He's causing distractions by trying to angle for more money when he just signed a huge contract with the team, AND they've made it clear they don't renegotiate after 1 season.
The guy is a great player, and I understand your man-love for what he does on the field. Why you continue to excuse his behavior off of it is bewildering to me. It's not like this is an isolated incident - it's the latest in a LONG string of events surrounding this guy. The way you make it sound like he's persecuted is funny as hell - like the media just picked his name out of a hat and decided to make him look foolish as often as possible....
Chuck Cecil, Joey Browner, Ronnie Lott, Jack Tatum, Charlie Waters etc. where have you gone?
Thats how I feel about TO.TO can say and act anyway he feels like on and off the field. I can live with that. He should also live with he fact that if he speaks his mind and acts outside of what is traditionally normal behavior don't be shocked when the mainstream busts your balls about it.
If TO screams in the forrest and their isnt a microphone to record it, do we boil at the words he speaks?TO speaking his mind is a trainwreck. I am not doubting that. However, I would argue that his intent is not to "gain spotlight", but it is simply him answering pointed question by the media. Again, he is not making these comments with the intent that he enjoys the spotlight, making his teammates feel bad, or to humiliate ex-teammates. I truly feel that deep down TO thinks people care about what he says. Honestly, I do care. However, most people dont. Most people simply love to hate him, hence the feeding frenzy when he speaks his mind.
The guy is a great player, and I understand your man-love for what he does on the field. Why you continue to excuse his behavior off of it is bewildering to me. It's not like this is an isolated incident - it's the latest in a LONG string of events surrounding this guy. The way you make it sound like he's persecuted is funny as hell - like the media just picked his name out of a hat and decided to make him look foolish as often as possible....
LT1 isnt "old school"?Thank you. I think it is a sign of how things have gone in the NFL that Owens is stilled allowed to perform his nonsensical act with no retribution.There used to be a code of honor in the NFL, and Owens' acts not so long ago would have landed him on a stretcher on one of his trips across the middle. You don't put down your own guys through the media (its patently chicken**** and childish), and you most definitely don't shove an opponent's nose in do-do after you beat him on a play.
Please. You are hysterical in your support for this behavior. When he ran out to midfield and struck the Christ pose in Dallas, was that the media drawing attention to TO, or was he doing it himself? Did the media force him to deride Jeff Garcia for a lack of arm strength? Did they force him to question Garcia's sexuality?Speaking one's mind is fine, but coming out and openly criticizing team leaders in the press is counterproductive. You can't argue that, and you can't excuse it. Taking potshots at your QB is absurd....he's hurting the team by doing this. He's causing distractions by trying to angle for more money when he just signed a huge contract with the team, AND they've made it clear they don't renegotiate after 1 season.
The guy is a great player, and I understand your man-love for what he does on the field. Why you continue to excuse his behavior off of it is bewildering to me. It's not like this is an isolated incident - it's the latest in a LONG string of events surrounding this guy. The way you make it sound like he's persecuted is funny as hell - like the media just picked his name out of a hat and decided to make him look foolish as often as possible....
I'm no fan of wishing ill will on any player, but I'm awfully tempted to make an exception in Owens' case. The sad thing is that he is so phenomonally talented that he doesn't need all the other crap to draw attention to himself - his play on the field could easily do it all by itself.
So TO's behavior is now the media's fault? Fan's reaction is the media's fault? When are people accountable for their own actions? When is TO accountable for how he behaves? When are fans responsible for how they react to the headlines?Please, don't make excuses for everyone. Call it like it is. Fans should know better than to overreact to inmature grown ups and realize they only feed his appetite for being an #### when they respond this way.
You keep talking about hating but he was the toast of the town 3 months ago. I was delighting in the sweet aroma of his jock strap not too long ago. When you try to renegotiate after the first year of a 7 year contract, when you call out the QB and leader of the team -- after you've assured the coach that you were misunderstood and won't be a distraction -- you're begging to be criticized.
I understand your point. I'm not even trying to make a case that Owens is constantly trying to thrust himself into the limelight. What the guy fails to grasp is that when you say the things he says into an ESPN microphone - yeah, it's going to be broadcast across the nation. If he wants to go out into the middle of the woods and call Jeff Garcia #### 1000 times, let him. It doesn't hurt anyone. However, saying it once into a reporter's tape recorder is going to make it a national headline. Either Owens doesn't care about the effects of his statements, or he's too dumb or naive to grasp the fact that if you say these things in public, the word is going to travel.Furthermore, no one in the media forced him to make backhanded comments about McNabb. No one in the media forced him to go to the Eagles brass and demand more money when he KNOWS it's in direct opposition with team policy and likely to cause a distraction in the locker room. These are the actions that are possible or even likely to have a negative effect on his team. So, which is it? Does the guy realize this and not care? If so, he's a cancer. Or does he not even understand these basic concepts? If this is the case, he's a dolt.If TO screams in the forrest and their isnt a microphone to record it, do we boil at the words he speaks?TO speaking his mind is a trainwreck. I am not doubting that. However, I would argue that his intent is not to "gain spotlight", but it is simply him answering pointed question by the media. Again, he is not making these comments with the intent that he enjoys the spotlight, making his teammates feel bad, or to humiliate ex-teammates. I truly feel that deep down TO thinks people care about what he says. Honestly, I do care. However, most people dont. Most people simply love to hate him, hence the feeding frenzy when he speaks his mind.
The guy is a great player, and I understand your man-love for what he does on the field. Why you continue to excuse his behavior off of it is bewildering to me. It's not like this is an isolated incident - it's the latest in a LONG string of events surrounding this guy. The way you make it sound like he's persecuted is funny as hell - like the media just picked his name out of a hat and decided to make him look foolish as often as possible....
The only point I am trying to argue is that I dont feel TO makes these comments with the intent SportsCenter and all the reporters talking about him on a daily basis. Do you see my point?
JAA
Where did I say TO isnt responsible for his actions? You are mincing my words and doing a poor job of it. I clearly stated TO is responsible for saying his actions, but he is not responsible for the spotlight he gets for it. Is that more clear?So TO's behavior is now the media's fault? Fan's reaction is the media's fault? When are people accountable for their own actions? When is TO accountable for how he behaves? When are fans responsible for how they react to the headlines?Please, don't make excuses for everyone. Call it like it is. Fans should know better than to overreact to inmature grown ups and realize they only feed his appetite for being an #### when they respond this way.
Ive spoken numerous time about this "contract issue". The Phi FO wants to renegotiate the contract. They designed his contract so that he could be cut after this year. The Phi FO doesnt want to cut him next year AND they dont want to pay him 7.5+ million next year either. What do you think they should do?I will never blame a player for holding out for more money, NEVER!! It is their right and they pay the consequences for it, just as it is Phi FO right to cut him after next season and not give him a dime more of this contract. I love how the talking heads keep spewing 46 MILLION DOLLARS!!! How much has TO received? How much will he receive next year? What is TOs cap hit this season? What is TOs cap hit next season? I dont agree with TO holding out. However, it may be his only option if indeed he wants to finish his career in Phi. It probably doesnt matter to you, but TO doesnt want a larger contract. TO wants more of the money Philly told him they would give him next year this year.
I agree completely. After reading TO's book, I would honestly say he is much closer to nieve moron than self-serving tool though he does try to promote hisI understand your point. I'm not even trying to make a case that Owens is constantly trying to thrust himself into the limelight. What the guy fails to grasp is that when you say the things he says into an ESPN microphone - yeah, it's going to be broadcast across the nation. If he wants to go out into the middle of the woods and call Jeff Garcia #### 1000 times, let him. It doesn't hurt anyone. However, saying it once into a reporter's tape recorder is going to make it a national headline. Either Owens doesn't care about the effects of his statements, or he's too dumb or naive to grasp the fact that if you say these things in public, the word is going to travel.Furthermore, no one in the media forced him to make backhanded comments about McNabb. No one in the media forced him to go to the Eagles brass and demand more money when he KNOWS it's in direct opposition with team policy and likely to cause a distraction in the locker room. These are the actions that are possible or even likely to have a negative effect on his team. So, which is it? Does the guy realize this and not care? If so, he's a cancer. Or does he not even understand these basic concepts? If this is the case, he's a dolt.If TO screams in the forrest and their isnt a microphone to record it, do we boil at the words he speaks?TO speaking his mind is a trainwreck. I am not doubting that. However, I would argue that his intent is not to "gain spotlight", but it is simply him answering pointed question by the media. Again, he is not making these comments with the intent that he enjoys the spotlight, making his teammates feel bad, or to humiliate ex-teammates. I truly feel that deep down TO thinks people care about what he says. Honestly, I do care. However, most people dont. Most people simply love to hate him, hence the feeding frenzy when he speaks his mind.
The guy is a great player, and I understand your man-love for what he does on the field. Why you continue to excuse his behavior off of it is bewildering to me. It's not like this is an isolated incident - it's the latest in a LONG string of events surrounding this guy. The way you make it sound like he's persecuted is funny as hell - like the media just picked his name out of a hat and decided to make him look foolish as often as possible....
The only point I am trying to argue is that I dont feel TO makes these comments with the intent SportsCenter and all the reporters talking about him on a daily basis. Do you see my point?
JAA
Self-serving tool or naive moron? You make the call...... Again, I don't doubt the guy's talent and drive. To come back and do what he did in the Super Bowl was remarkable and deserves to be lauded. The thing that boggles my mind is that he was in position to be a god in Philadelphia after that, and now he's systematically destroying all that good will and turning himself from hero to toolbox right before our eyes....
image. Dont lose sight of one benifit of TO speaking his mind: We get a different flavor of the NFL. Without folks like TO, we wouldnt have interesting information about a number of topics. I do agree that some of these topics are self-destructing to the team, though I think a lot of it is just plain interesting. You are well aware that TO has nothing to gain except contempt from fans for a lot of what he says, from this you can infer that a lot of it is close to on target 
Im not saying the information about Garcia is true, but I dont think he would make up a lot of other non-publicised things from his book.JAA
If TO had another great year in 2005 while keeping his off-field antics under wraps, I think the Eagles would've been happy to give him the 7.5 mil. They designed the contract so he could be cut, not so that he would be cut. They covered their asses in case he turned into a divisive force as he has in the past. Looks like it was a smart move.
I'm with you. I really can't stand the way TO handles himself off the field, but he does make things interesting. And I love him on the field......I agree completely. After reading TO's book, I would honestly say he is much closer to nieve moron than self-serving tool though he does try to promote hisI understand your point. I'm not even trying to make a case that Owens is constantly trying to thrust himself into the limelight. What the guy fails to grasp is that when you say the things he says into an ESPN microphone - yeah, it's going to be broadcast across the nation. If he wants to go out into the middle of the woods and call Jeff Garcia #### 1000 times, let him. It doesn't hurt anyone. However, saying it once into a reporter's tape recorder is going to make it a national headline. Either Owens doesn't care about the effects of his statements, or he's too dumb or naive to grasp the fact that if you say these things in public, the word is going to travel.Furthermore, no one in the media forced him to make backhanded comments about McNabb. No one in the media forced him to go to the Eagles brass and demand more money when he KNOWS it's in direct opposition with team policy and likely to cause a distraction in the locker room. These are the actions that are possible or even likely to have a negative effect on his team. So, which is it? Does the guy realize this and not care? If so, he's a cancer. Or does he not even understand these basic concepts? If this is the case, he's a dolt.If TO screams in the forrest and their isnt a microphone to record it, do we boil at the words he speaks?TO speaking his mind is a trainwreck. I am not doubting that. However, I would argue that his intent is not to "gain spotlight", but it is simply him answering pointed question by the media. Again, he is not making these comments with the intent that he enjoys the spotlight, making his teammates feel bad, or to humiliate ex-teammates. I truly feel that deep down TO thinks people care about what he says. Honestly, I do care. However, most people dont. Most people simply love to hate him, hence the feeding frenzy when he speaks his mind.
The guy is a great player, and I understand your man-love for what he does on the field. Why you continue to excuse his behavior off of it is bewildering to me. It's not like this is an isolated incident - it's the latest in a LONG string of events surrounding this guy. The way you make it sound like he's persecuted is funny as hell - like the media just picked his name out of a hat and decided to make him look foolish as often as possible....
The only point I am trying to argue is that I dont feel TO makes these comments with the intent SportsCenter and all the reporters talking about him on a daily basis. Do you see my point?
JAA
Self-serving tool or naive moron? You make the call...... Again, I don't doubt the guy's talent and drive. To come back and do what he did in the Super Bowl was remarkable and deserves to be lauded. The thing that boggles my mind is that he was in position to be a god in Philadelphia after that, and now he's systematically destroying all that good will and turning himself from hero to toolbox right before our eyes....
Good points, but I think it makes more sense that it was Philly's intent all along to renegotiate TOs contract this season as the cap hit next season would be so much more.Also, TO is coming off of a somewhat bad injury. I think he may have had a wake-up call that he isnt going to play forever. I can understand him wanting to renegotiate. I would not agree with him holding out like Staley did. However, TO didnt have to make the comeback like he did from that injury. A lot of players in the NFL may not have. That said, I have a lot of respect for TO and his word (not his sig on a NFL contract
).
This doesnt change that the Steelers still suck. Get out of my thread!!!I'm with you. I really can't stand the way TO handles himself off the field, but he does make things interesting. And I love him on the field......I agree completely. After reading TO's book, I would honestly say he is much closer to nieve moron than self-serving tool though he does try to promote hisI understand your point. I'm not even trying to make a case that Owens is constantly trying to thrust himself into the limelight. What the guy fails to grasp is that when you say the things he says into an ESPN microphone - yeah, it's going to be broadcast across the nation. If he wants to go out into the middle of the woods and call Jeff Garcia #### 1000 times, let him. It doesn't hurt anyone. However, saying it once into a reporter's tape recorder is going to make it a national headline. Either Owens doesn't care about the effects of his statements, or he's too dumb or naive to grasp the fact that if you say these things in public, the word is going to travel.Furthermore, no one in the media forced him to make backhanded comments about McNabb. No one in the media forced him to go to the Eagles brass and demand more money when he KNOWS it's in direct opposition with team policy and likely to cause a distraction in the locker room. These are the actions that are possible or even likely to have a negative effect on his team. So, which is it? Does the guy realize this and not care? If so, he's a cancer. Or does he not even understand these basic concepts? If this is the case, he's a dolt.If TO screams in the forrest and their isnt a microphone to record it, do we boil at the words he speaks?TO speaking his mind is a trainwreck. I am not doubting that. However, I would argue that his intent is not to "gain spotlight", but it is simply him answering pointed question by the media. Again, he is not making these comments with the intent that he enjoys the spotlight, making his teammates feel bad, or to humiliate ex-teammates. I truly feel that deep down TO thinks people care about what he says. Honestly, I do care. However, most people dont. Most people simply love to hate him, hence the feeding frenzy when he speaks his mind.
The guy is a great player, and I understand your man-love for what he does on the field. Why you continue to excuse his behavior off of it is bewildering to me. It's not like this is an isolated incident - it's the latest in a LONG string of events surrounding this guy. The way you make it sound like he's persecuted is funny as hell - like the media just picked his name out of a hat and decided to make him look foolish as often as possible....
The only point I am trying to argue is that I dont feel TO makes these comments with the intent SportsCenter and all the reporters talking about him on a daily basis. Do you see my point?
JAA
Self-serving tool or naive moron? You make the call...... Again, I don't doubt the guy's talent and drive. To come back and do what he did in the Super Bowl was remarkable and deserves to be lauded. The thing that boggles my mind is that he was in position to be a god in Philadelphia after that, and now he's systematically destroying all that good will and turning himself from hero to toolbox right before our eyes....
This doesnt change that the Steelers still suck. Get out of my thread!!!I'm with you. I really can't stand the way TO handles himself off the field, but he does make things interesting. And I love him on the field......I agree completely. After reading TO's book, I would honestly say he is much closer to nieve moron than self-serving tool though he does try to promote hisI understand your point. I'm not even trying to make a case that Owens is constantly trying to thrust himself into the limelight. What the guy fails to grasp is that when you say the things he says into an ESPN microphone - yeah, it's going to be broadcast across the nation. If he wants to go out into the middle of the woods and call Jeff Garcia #### 1000 times, let him. It doesn't hurt anyone. However, saying it once into a reporter's tape recorder is going to make it a national headline. Either Owens doesn't care about the effects of his statements, or he's too dumb or naive to grasp the fact that if you say these things in public, the word is going to travel.Furthermore, no one in the media forced him to make backhanded comments about McNabb. No one in the media forced him to go to the Eagles brass and demand more money when he KNOWS it's in direct opposition with team policy and likely to cause a distraction in the locker room. These are the actions that are possible or even likely to have a negative effect on his team. So, which is it? Does the guy realize this and not care? If so, he's a cancer. Or does he not even understand these basic concepts? If this is the case, he's a dolt.If TO screams in the forrest and their isnt a microphone to record it, do we boil at the words he speaks?TO speaking his mind is a trainwreck. I am not doubting that. However, I would argue that his intent is not to "gain spotlight", but it is simply him answering pointed question by the media. Again, he is not making these comments with the intent that he enjoys the spotlight, making his teammates feel bad, or to humiliate ex-teammates. I truly feel that deep down TO thinks people care about what he says. Honestly, I do care. However, most people dont. Most people simply love to hate him, hence the feeding frenzy when he speaks his mind.
The guy is a great player, and I understand your man-love for what he does on the field. Why you continue to excuse his behavior off of it is bewildering to me. It's not like this is an isolated incident - it's the latest in a LONG string of events surrounding this guy. The way you make it sound like he's persecuted is funny as hell - like the media just picked his name out of a hat and decided to make him look foolish as often as possible....
The only point I am trying to argue is that I dont feel TO makes these comments with the intent SportsCenter and all the reporters talking about him on a daily basis. Do you see my point?
JAA
Self-serving tool or naive moron? You make the call...... Again, I don't doubt the guy's talent and drive. To come back and do what he did in the Super Bowl was remarkable and deserves to be lauded. The thing that boggles my mind is that he was in position to be a god in Philadelphia after that, and now he's systematically destroying all that good will and turning himself from hero to toolbox right before our eyes....
Im not gonna sit here and argue with somebody over McNabb's importance to the Eagles team the last 5 yrs. There is just something soooo stupid about it, and I hate the Eagles.
I have turned her to the dark side 
