McNabb status for this weekend uncertain. (1 Viewer)

[JAA]

First of all, the info I provided was an email update from DraftSharks that was 1 day prior to Henry's suspension. As I stated before, I apologize that I did not test his piss before posting an update. I also started him in my WCOFF league, so was I trying to mislead? NO, obviously not.

The second was a link to a NEWSPAPER article on Fantas Guru's web site! How is that bunk? REID SAID THAT MCNABB MAY GET A SECOND OPINION! So Reid's quote is bunk!? That was not posted before and then you call it out. It is new info that a couple of people thanked me for providing.

Look, I never bragged about my fantasy records and unlike you, I do not have a huge ego, and do not insult others on message boards.

When I said I had Collins, I meant I have a QB that is not currently hurt, so I do not need to make a decision like you.

This McNabb injury seems to be affecting you too much, because it seems like you have a real problem with me saying that one could think possibly consider trading McNabb due to McNabb being hurt. So, because your QB is injured, you have a huge problem with someone who provides information and yes, advice for people who are wondering what to do with an injured QB that still has value.

I am willing to make sig bet with you.

As I clearly stated, I do not even use my sig, so why in the hell would I care if you won some sig bet? You are the one with the giant message board ego, that calls out people and tries to belittle them.

So fine, big man, I will bet you that Kerry Collins outperforms Donovan McNabb for the rest of the season. I will bet this with you, even though I do not necessarily believe, nor care, nor did I ever state that I thought that it was the case.

Oh, boy, I sure hope I do not lose this bet, because I may have to put something that says "McNabb is great and did not get injured further." or maybe "Henry did not outperform Chris Brown, even though I did not examine his piss prior to posting that he would play a lot on Sunday."

Why would I make a bet with someone who doesnt care? So when I win you can parade around saying "who cares, it doesnt matter to me", no thanks ... the bet is off.I didnt your articles out, I called out your advice, all 2 weeks worth. You started Henry in you WCOFF league ... wow. Good luck the rest of the season with moves like that. At this point it doesnt matter what your intentions were with the advice, the advice was horrible and still is horrible. Feel free to check my original locked thread, I called out your recommendations because I believe everyone listenting to your adivce are making huge mistakes.

This is an internet message board. The Shark Pool is for discussion and any and all opinions are fine. But along that line, some posters here give good advice, some contributers here give poor advice. I felt it was necessary to call you out because not only was your advice poor, it tip-toed along malicous and if you cant see that Im sorry. Its not like I imagined your last 2 "golden nuggets".

Its one thing if you say "Play Plummer over DMac because of the potential for injury" or "Keep an eye on the WW because of the risk of McNabb being out for extended period of time", but you didnt say that. You are recommending to trade the current high scoring QB in most leagues as well as an easy top 5 WR.

Any way you slice it the advice is beyond bad. Even if DMac is put on the IR today it would have been bad advice. Know why? Because you were only guessing and had nothing but coach-speak and talking head rabble to make your prediction. Again, I didnt call you out as a personal attack, more as a message to the board to say "watch this guy". I called your advice bad (horrible actually) and potentially purposefully misleading.

Which fantasy records have I bragged about?

I dont own Henry in any of my 12 leagues, I own Brown in one, Good Luck to you!

JAA

 

[JAA]

Correct me if I'm wrong but McNabb had the same injury on Sunday and Reid and McNabb were okay with 52 passes, 365 yards and two TD's.  No hernia has been found.  Unless that changes, I just hope I'm in a league with a McNabb owner who reads this hysteria and wants to dump him fast, along with TO and Westbrook and everyone else.

  McNabb doesn't seem likely to run a whole lot for the foreseeable future.  Beyond that this is a non-story being exploited by unimaginative columnists and hysterical fantasy football overreactors to pass the time between Sundays.

52 pass attempts is a career high for McNabb, btw. I think Reid's play-calling needs to be seriously called into question.

This thread is an INSTANT CLASSIC!!

Where is Pickles?

Are you mocking me? Explain yourself.

Im mocking you because you think Reid's play-calling needs to be called into question, let alone "seriously" called into question.

Maybe it's just me, but...I think Andy Reid has had game-management and play-calling issues throughout his tenure as the Eagles head coach. But, I'll stick to last week:

How do you call on your QB to drop back and pass a career high 52 times (7th most in franchise history) when he is suffering from a multitude of injuries. The run/pass ratio is normally pretty questionable, but especially last week when you should be protecting your franchise QB and your 20-13 lead you should at least TRY to run the football. Look, I understand this is a pass-first offence, but if ever there was a time to try to run the football a little more it was last week. Instead Reid went the complete other direction and had Mcnabb throw the most passes for an Eagle since Randle Cunningham attempted 62 passes in 1989.

I can answer that in two words: double u

 

[mlwinokur]

Great info, mlwinokur.

I do not understand how you can commit $20 million guaranteed to a QB like McNabb and then potentially risk his career by starting him when you do not even know the extent of his injury. 

Everyone that watched or listened to Pennington (he said he was only 80% in week 3 of preseason, I think) in preseason KNEW that he was not 100% recovered from that surgery.  It is now fairly obvious that he was rushed back at 80-85% and look at what happened.

A guy like Reid has job security and should have the guts, intelligence and concern to (and maybe he will) tell McNabb to sit for 2 game weeks and the bye and let his 3 (!) injuries heal properly.

I agree on the info. Here's the issue for Reid, IMHO. That team is built to win NOW. I figure TO is gone after this year. He's going to go through his contract shenanigans again this offseason and they'll dump him. He was also on the team when they made their only Super Bowl trip. Westbrook isn't signed past this year. I think that team's window of success - meaning their optimum ability as a team to play strong football is closing. Reid may not feel that they can afford to "lose" a season by conceding a serious injury to McNabb.

Mind you, I'm not defending him, just hypothesizing about what we all might be seeing.

Ive heard for the past three season that "the team is built to win now" and "the team's window of success is closing".

JAA,I agree with you on this issue. This team has been built to win for the next 10 years. Eagles managment is always thinking WAY ahead. I'm not saying that they will win for a long time, just that there has never and will never be a "win now" philosphy in Philadelphia under this regime.

 

[Leroy's Aces]

Whatever.You still have not commented on WHEN the Henry info was posted. It was like 2 days before the game or something like that. Did it turn out to be bad? Yes. But I cannot control what happens after I post it. I did not know that he failed a drug test and that Fisher would (practically) bench him Sunday morning due to it.If McNabb gets hit by a bus on the way to practive today, I would not say I told you to trade him, because it was independent of the article I provided. Others have commented on the smokescreen that the Eagles generally throw up regarding injuries and how they underreport them. They also appear to not really care about rehabbing until healthy and encourage players to be "warriors" and play through injuries. See David Akers.I would never post info to mislead people. Since you are the ONLY person that has posted that, no one else in here seems to think that either. How many leagues do you own McNabb or Owens in? I would guess about 6 for each.

 

[mlwinokur]

I read these two columns today.  Basically why McNabb shouldn't play.

Can you show me the column that says "Tests show McNabb has a Sports Hernia"? All reports I have heard and read say tests were inconclusive. Playing @ KC next week is an excellent opportunity for a week of coach speak in an attempt to affect the Chiefs game plan.

I just posted the sports hernia information so people would know what it is.You are right there is no such article saying "Tests show McNabb has a Sports Hernia"...so far all tests were "inconclusive" as you say.

But something smells fishy here...

It just seems like Reid is hiding something. Maybe you're right; maybe he is trying to affect the Chiefs game plan. But how? Is he hiding the extent of McNabb's injury to force the Chiefs to prepare for McNabb when they will really be facing Detmer or McMahon? Or is he creating questions regarding McNabb's injuries to make the Chiefs think they are preparing for a McNabb who isn't 100% when he really is? My guess would be the former.

I think Phil Sheridan is right...there is definately a "fog of war" here.

The only thing fishy here is people posting only one side of the story. What I smell are veiled attempts to reduce McNabb and TO's value going forward Oh ... and I heard SJackson has cancer

You're not reading me right. I'M AN EAGLES FAN!!! I don't give a flying #### about McNabb and T.O.'s fantasy value. We're talking about the franchise QB here. Eagle Eye is exactly right, this team has a history of saying that tests are "inconclusive" only to have it later come out that the player in question is very injured. I just don't trust them when it comes to these things, and I think that Reid is going to end up losing McNabb for the season by playing him this weekend and will cost the Eagles their chance to go back to the SuperBowl.

 

[BigTex]

McNabb May Get Second Opinion - Day to Day

Here is a link to a story that claims McNabb may get a second opinion. I assume that means an opinion outside of the organization.

I am sure we will know more by Thursday, but trading McNabb or even possibly TO for any type of similiar value is probably a very wise move. If McNabb goes out, I would think Westbrook's value would drop as well, since defenses could key on him a little more than Owens. (since Detmer sucks).

Dave

Leroy's Aces

The only reason a player gets a second opinion is if he didn't like the first one.

 

[Eagle Eye]

McNabb May Get Second Opinion - Day to Day

Here is a link to a story that claims McNabb may get a second opinion.  I assume that means an opinion outside of the organization. 

I am sure we will know more by Thursday, but trading McNabb or even possibly TO for any type of similiar value is probably a very wise move.  If McNabb goes out, I would think Westbrook's value would drop as well, since defenses could key on him a little more than Owens.  (since Detmer sucks).

Dave

Leroy's Aces

The only reason a player gets a second opinion is if he didn't like the first one.

Or he just saw his team have no problem gambling with their kicker's season.

 

[JAA]

McNabb going forward:

Lets say I own McNabb (I dont) in redraft league (12 teams, basic perf scoring). What would the best advice be here? Lets look at our potential team. if we have McNabb and didnt trade for him, we most likely drafted him in the 2nd round which would mean we didnt go RB-RB with our first two picks. lets say our team is above average and not currently relying on McNabb to carry us. It would be much of a discussion if this team was in last place, even trading McNabb wouldnt help us much. So we are 2-1 and have a at least 1 RB who is outperforming his draft position. We are not the highest scoring team but respectable thanks to McNabb. What are our options and subsequent outcomes? We must also assume all other league mates know that McNabb is "banged up", but we feel he could go on IR today.

1. Do nothing. Feel comfrotable with our QB2 and that DMac wont be out for the year. Worst case in this situaition is we have to rely on our QB2 to carry us the rest of the way. If DMac goes on IR we will most likely have a hard time in the playoffs.

2. Trade DMac. High performing players are always difficult to trade in redraft leagues. What do we think we can get for DMac? Our goal should be to improve our starting lineup at either RB and/or WR. Most likely we would trade QB/WR for a better WR.

Where does thatr leave us? Should we make a deal if one is available? At this point it is a simple matter of math.

(DMac-forward - new-QB) + (new-WR - old-WR) <> DMac-forward + old-WR

If you cant get an offer that improves your starting lineup while not losing any depth at WR, you should always make the deal ... injury potential or not.

It is unlikely you will find a suiter who will trade DMac for a WR straight up. If you drafted a solid QB2 or were able to acquire one from the WW, it would make sense to keep McNabb as his value is this week is lower than any other week. Obviously if he goes on IR today, he has no value. If you look to trade a player because he is banged up, you are asking for trouble. If you want to trade players to improve your lineup, trade them while their stock is high.

JAA

 

[BigTex]

McNabb going forward:

Lets say I own McNabb (I dont) in redraft league (12 teams, basic perf scoring). What would the best advice be here? Lets look at our potential team. if we have McNabb and didnt trade for him, we most likely drafted him in the 2nd round which would mean we didnt go RB-RB with our first two picks. lets say our team is above average and not currently relying on McNabb to carry us. It would be much of a discussion if this team was in last place, even trading McNabb wouldnt help us much. So we are 2-1 and have a at least 1 RB who is outperforming his draft position. We are not the highest scoring team but respectable thanks to McNabb. What are our options and subsequent outcomes? We must also assume all other league mates know that McNabb is "banged up", but we feel he could go on IR today.

1. Do nothing. Feel comfrotable with our QB2 and that DMac wont be out for the year. Worst case in this situaition is we have to rely on our QB2 to carry us the rest of the way. If DMac goes on IR we will most likely have a hard time in the playoffs.

2. Trade DMac. High performing players are always difficult to trade in redraft leagues. What do we think we can get for DMac? Our goal should be to improve our starting lineup at either RB and/or WR. Most likely we would trade QB/WR for a better WR.

Where does thatr leave us? Should we make a deal if one is available? At this point it is a simple matter of math.

(DMac-forward - new-QB) + (new-WR - old-WR) <> DMac-forward + old-WR

If you cant get an offer that improves your starting lineup while not losing any depth at WR, you should always make the deal ... injury potential or not.

It is unlikely you will find a suiter who will trade DMac for a WR straight up. If you drafted a solid QB2 or were able to acquire one from the WW, it would make sense to keep McNabb as his value is this week is lower than any other week. Obviously if he goes on IR today, he has no value. If you look to trade a player because he is banged up, you are asking for trouble. If you want to trade players to improve your lineup, trade them while their stock is high.

JAA

I'd keep him and take my chance. McNabb is a warrior he's performed well in the past while injured just like last week and years before. If your league has real owners in it, they already know about McNabb's injury.

 

[mlwinokur]

Correct me if I'm wrong but McNabb had the same injury on Sunday and Reid and McNabb were okay with 52 passes, 365 yards and two TD's.  No hernia has been found.  Unless that changes, I just hope I'm in a league with a McNabb owner who reads this hysteria and wants to dump him fast, along with TO and Westbrook and everyone else.

  McNabb doesn't seem likely to run a whole lot for the foreseeable future.  Beyond that this is a non-story being exploited by unimaginative columnists and hysterical fantasy football overreactors to pass the time between Sundays.

52 pass attempts is a career high for McNabb, btw. I think Reid's play-calling needs to be seriously called into question.

This thread is an INSTANT CLASSIC!!

Where is Pickles?

Are you mocking me? Explain yourself.

Im mocking you because you think Reid's play-calling needs to be called into question, let alone "seriously" called into question.

Maybe it's just me, but...I think Andy Reid has had game-management and play-calling issues throughout his tenure as the Eagles head coach. But, I'll stick to last week:

How do you call on your QB to drop back and pass a career high 52 times (7th most in franchise history) when he is suffering from a multitude of injuries. The run/pass ratio is normally pretty questionable, but especially last week when you should be protecting your franchise QB and your 20-13 lead you should at least TRY to run the football. Look, I understand this is a pass-first offence, but if ever there was a time to try to run the football a little more it was last week. Instead Reid went the complete other direction and had Mcnabb throw the most passes for an Eagle since Randle Cunningham attempted 62 passes in 1989.

I can answer that in two words: double u

Are you kidding me?!? The passing frenzy in the 4th quarter almost cost them the game. The Eagles got the ball back with 12:50 to go in the game and up 20-13. Over the next two series they ran six plays (5 passes, 1 run) totaling 2:23 of clock time.This particular series irks me:

1-10-PHI27 (5:20) B.Westbrook right guard to PHI 29 for 2 yards (D.Clark).

2-8-PHI29 (4:34) D.McNabb pass incomplete to T.Owens (D.Clark).

3-8-PHI29 (4:34) (Shotgun)

PENALTY on OAK-E.Jasper, Encroachment, 5 yards, enforced at PHI 29 - No Play.

3-3-PHI34 (4:30) D.McNabb pass incomplete to L.Smith (N.Asomugha).

4-3-PHI34 (4:24) D.Johnson punts 31 yards to OAK 35, Center-M.Bartrum, downed by PHI-M.Simoneau.

The clock management is miserable.

 

[JAA]

You still have not commented on WHEN the Henry info was posted. It was like 2 days before the game or something like that. Did it turn out to be bad? Yes. But I cannot control what happens after I post it. I did not know that he failed a drug test and that Fisher would (practically) bench him Sunday morning due to it.

If McNabb gets hit by a bus on the way to practive today, I would not say I told you to trade him, because it was independent of the article I provided.

If you want to give info as a "this is the now", please utilize conditional statements when you give folks advice.The Henry advice was horrible whether or not he failed a piss test, IMHO. The McNabb advice is horrible, IMHO. Thus my thread that your advice is horrible/bunk, IMHO.

How many leagues do you own McNabb or Owens in? I would guess about 6 for each.

McNabb in 3Owens in 3

All 3 McNabb's are dynasty leagues, so this discussion is moot for them. I have Owens in 1 redraft and I am not looking to trade him.

What insight does this give you?

- JAA owns both McNabb and Owens

- JAA is a Philly homer

- JAA keeps a very close eye on all his key FF players

- JAA keeps a very close eye on all his key hometown NFL players

Good luck to you!!

JAA

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Can someone point me to the "Initial Worries Answered - Will Start" update??? I seem to have missed that post it in that lame drawn-out argument about which messages should go in which threads... TIA

 

[JAA]

I read these two columns today.  Basically why McNabb shouldn't play.

Can you show me the column that says "Tests show McNabb has a Sports Hernia"? All reports I have heard and read say tests were inconclusive. Playing @ KC next week is an excellent opportunity for a week of coach speak in an attempt to affect the Chiefs game plan.

I just posted the sports hernia information so people would know what it is.You are right there is no such article saying "Tests show McNabb has a Sports Hernia"...so far all tests were "inconclusive" as you say.

But something smells fishy here...

It just seems like Reid is hiding something. Maybe you're right; maybe he is trying to affect the Chiefs game plan. But how? Is he hiding the extent of McNabb's injury to force the Chiefs to prepare for McNabb when they will really be facing Detmer or McMahon? Or is he creating questions regarding McNabb's injuries to make the Chiefs think they are preparing for a McNabb who isn't 100% when he really is? My guess would be the former.

I think Phil Sheridan is right...there is definately a "fog of war" here.

The only thing fishy here is people posting only one side of the story. What I smell are veiled attempts to reduce McNabb and TO's value going forward Oh ... and I heard SJackson has cancer

You're not reading me right. I'M AN EAGLES FAN!!! I don't give a flying #### about McNabb and T.O.'s fantasy value. We're talking about the franchise QB here. Eagle Eye is exactly right, this team has a history of saying that tests are "inconclusive" only to have it later come out that the player in question is very injured. I just don't trust them when it comes to these things, and I think that Reid is going to end up losing McNabb for the season by playing him this weekend and will cost the Eagles their chance to go back to the SuperBowl.

How many years have you been seriously questioning Reid's playcalling? After each NFCCG loss? After the SuperBowl loss?Neither you or I are qualified to "seriosuly question" any NFL coaches decision let alone one of the most winningst coaches over the past 4 seasons.

 

[seahawk 17]

Dear Coach Reid:There seems to be great debate on a message board wether or not you know what your doing with play calling and your injured players.This thing with McNabb is freaking people out and stiring great debate. I will never tell you how to coach your own team, but could you please bench McNabb for your Monday Night Football Game on Dec 5th so he can rest.TIA,Seahawk 17

 

[JAA]

If you cant get an offer that improves your starting lineup while not losing any depth at WR, you should always make the deal ... injury potential or not.

I wanted to expand on this, because I think this is the most important part. If you are willing to trade McNabb now, you should have already traded him.- None of us have crystal balls.

- Sometimes injuries kill FF seasons, there is no way around it.

An arguement can be made that trading McNabb now is hedging your bets for the future. The reason for trading him now would be to get "something" for him because you think he is going to get IR. Even if you get "something" for him, you are losing out.

When you had your FF draft (redraft leagues), your goal was to get value with each pick, add quality starters to your roster as well as good depth and players with huge upside. The reason for this is as the season progresses, injuries happen. If an injury happens to your team, you dont want to miss a beat. But your real goal is for other teams to infact lose a beat, the earlier in the season the better. you take your depth and trade it for better starters. Players like MM, RWilliams, MShipp, MFaulk look to be turning into gold over the next couple weeks. If you have these players, you take chances at trading away your quality depth for star starters to prepare yourself the playoffs. As the season progresses, depth becomes less and less important. You want to have a powerhouse entering week 9 with the goal to ride your horses to the end. Maybe injuries happen, maybe you cut yourself to thin. Guess what, #### happens. The point is your attempt to put your team in a position to win. At the draft and early in the season quantity is important. Later in the season, quality is key. When you trade a player like McNabb now for the difference in points to your QB2 for potential WR points you are going in the wrong direction. You should be looking to trade for McNabb. Maybe he goes on the IR, maybe he doesnt. Your goal is upside.

Anyone who has watched the Eagles play the first 3 weeks knows McNabb isnt right. While at the Oak game, it was obvious to me and everyone around me that McNabb wasnt even walking right. This was before the game. The "sports hernia inconclusive" was reported BEFORE THE GAME. Reid allowed McNabb to play in the game with this information. Any intelligent football fan has to believe AR did what was right for his playoff calibur football team. AR is not on the hotseat. AR does not need to worry about losing the game. Everyone remember 2 years ago with McNabb and his thumb? How did that turn out?

McNabb will need to play for this Eagles team to be successfull in the playoffs, everyone knows that. If McNabb needs a rest, he will get one because Reid will sit him. If this happens, ride your QB2 until he is healthy again. If your team doesnt look like it will make it to the playoffs w/o McNabb? Guess what, you should have already traded him last week because this McNabb's potential for playing had no bearing on whether or not your team was going to be successfull.

JAA

 

[mlwinokur]

I read these two columns today.  Basically why McNabb shouldn't play.

Can you show me the column that says "Tests show McNabb has a Sports Hernia"? All reports I have heard and read say tests were inconclusive. Playing @ KC next week is an excellent opportunity for a week of coach speak in an attempt to affect the Chiefs game plan.

I just posted the sports hernia information so people would know what it is.You are right there is no such article saying "Tests show McNabb has a Sports Hernia"...so far all tests were "inconclusive" as you say.

But something smells fishy here...

It just seems like Reid is hiding something. Maybe you're right; maybe he is trying to affect the Chiefs game plan. But how? Is he hiding the extent of McNabb's injury to force the Chiefs to prepare for McNabb when they will really be facing Detmer or McMahon? Or is he creating questions regarding McNabb's injuries to make the Chiefs think they are preparing for a McNabb who isn't 100% when he really is? My guess would be the former.

I think Phil Sheridan is right...there is definately a "fog of war" here.

The only thing fishy here is people posting only one side of the story. What I smell are veiled attempts to reduce McNabb and TO's value going forward Oh ... and I heard SJackson has cancer

You're not reading me right. I'M AN EAGLES FAN!!! I don't give a flying #### about McNabb and T.O.'s fantasy value. We're talking about the franchise QB here. Eagle Eye is exactly right, this team has a history of saying that tests are "inconclusive" only to have it later come out that the player in question is very injured. I just don't trust them when it comes to these things, and I think that Reid is going to end up losing McNabb for the season by playing him this weekend and will cost the Eagles their chance to go back to the SuperBowl.

How many years have you been seriously questioning Reid's playcalling? After each NFCCG loss? After the SuperBowl loss?Neither you or I are qualified to "seriosuly question" any NFL coaches decision let alone one of the most winningst coaches over the past 4 seasons.

Now I understand your Avatar. For a long time I thought the picture was of your dog. Now I realize the picture is of you...the Eagles lap dog.What qualifications do I need to question Andy Reids play-calling? Do I need to be a former player? Maybe a highschool coach? College coach? Former or current NFL head coach? And if I'm am a former or current NFL head coach do I also need to be an expert on the West Coast Offense? And If I am all those things then surely I must also have to have won more games than Reid in order to question him. So, for the purposes of this thread....I'M BILL WALSH.

Now, why aren't you running the football when your QB is hurt and you have the lead with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter?

And another question: Why are you using McNabb as the lead blocker on one of the running plays you actually ran last week (you know which one I'm talking about)?

The answer is that Andy Reid was wreckless last week. last week he lost his kicker for at least a month. And if he coaches with the same wrecklessness this week he might just lose his QB for the season.

 

[JAA]

Now, why aren't you running the football when your QB is hurt and you have the lead with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter?

And another question: Why are you using McNabb as the lead blocker on one of the running plays you actually ran last week (you know which one I'm talking about)?

The answer is that Andy Reid ...

... is too busy winning football games.

 

[Leroy's Aces]

You are right, JAA. I have tried to mislead, I knew Henry was juicing and smoking pot, was about to be suspended and I misled the fantasy world prior to his supsension being announced. I now know that McNabb is quite healthy, recovering nicely and will play for sure this weekend and beyond. Do not trade him at all, even for similar value, like my post originally stated. Keep him and reap the rewards. Now, you can make some wiseass comment, since you must have the last word, and continue your semi-delusional homer man-love for McNabb, Owens and the rest of the Eagles.

 

[NYG Endzone]

Well, I'm down in FLA on vacation hence the absence from this thread. Obviously I'm sickened because any way you slice it, McNabb is hurting and now we (meaning Eagles fans) have to hope that a) McNabb's injury really isn't a sports hernia and b) he's able to play effectively through the pain.

Certainly I agree that if there's ANY chance playing now could impact his long-term playing future, he should sit. That said, from what I understand of the injury, that is not the case. It's essentially a situation whereby Donny Mac is going to have to pull a "Steve McNair" and be Questionable each and every week but ultimately gut it out and play.

You borrowing Donald Ducks computer?

 

[JAA]

You are right, JAA.

I have tried to mislead, I knew Henry was juicing and smoking pot, was about to be suspended and I misled the fantasy world prior to his supsension being announced.

Ive already addressed McNabb.Starting Henry last week (piss test aside) was horrible advice any way you looked at it. Henry was not the starter. Brown had been playing as expected and Ficsher had shown no thoughts to give Henry more carries than Brown ... none. People in the thread even tried to show you facts on the situation, yet you failed to listen.

BTW - where is you WCOFF roster? Id love to see it

JAA

 

[glumpy]

Too bad this has turned into such a pissin contest; some of the stuff is thought provoking.

McNabb will need to play for this Eagles team to be successfull in the playoffs, everyone knows that. If McNabb needs a rest, he will get one because Reid will sit him. If this happens, ride your QB2 until he is healthy again. If your team doesnt look like it will make it to the playoffs w/o McNabb? Guess what, you should have already traded him last week because this McNabb's potential for playing had no bearing on whether or not your team was going to be successfull.

This is right about what I'm thinking right now only in reverse--with Palmer and Collins I'm looking to trade one for Mcnabb in hopes of also picking up LJ to back up Priest--and load up for the playoffs. Kinda dicey, what with all the QB injuries this week and what damage that waiver wire is going to take this evening--would be really sweet if we could get some kind of take on the odds for McNabb trying to play through it, or sitting out some games, or out all year. Sure hate to roll the dice when talking top players.

 

[JAA]

Too bad this has turned into such a pissin contest; some of the stuff is thought provoking.

McNabb will need to play for this Eagles team to be successfull in the playoffs, everyone knows that. If McNabb needs a rest, he will get one because Reid will sit him. If this happens, ride your QB2 until he is healthy again. If your team doesnt look like it will make it to the playoffs w/o McNabb? Guess what, you should have already traded him last week because this McNabb's potential for playing had no bearing on whether or not your team was going to be successfull.

This is right about what I'm thinking right now only in reverse--with Palmer and Collins I'm looking to trade one for Mcnabb in hopes of also picking up LJ to back up Priest--and load up for the playoffs. Kinda dicey, what with all the QB injuries this week and what damage that waiver wire is going to take this evening--would be really sweet if we could get some kind of take on the odds for McNabb trying to play through it, or sitting out some games, or out all year. Sure hate to roll the dice when talking top players.

I am also trying to trade for McNabb. I would love to ride Drew Brees, Tom Brady, etc and wait until McNabb is healthy for a playoff run. Especially with the latest Sports Hernia news about McNabb, now would be the time to strike.I dont own Palmer in any redrafts, but if I did I would seriously consider trading him as I cant imagine his value getting any higher. Heck, I would love to see him continue to perform at the level he is, but we have to ask ourselves: Which is more probable?

 

[glumpy]

Too bad this has turned into such a pissin contest; some of the stuff is thought provoking.

McNabb will need to play for this Eagles team to be successfull in the playoffs, everyone knows that. If McNabb needs a rest, he will get one because Reid will sit him. If this happens, ride your QB2 until he is healthy again. If your team doesnt look like it will make it to the playoffs w/o McNabb? Guess what, you should have already traded him last week because this McNabb's potential for playing had no bearing on whether or not your team was going to be successfull.

This is right about what I'm thinking right now only in reverse--with Palmer and Collins I'm looking to trade one for Mcnabb in hopes of also picking up LJ to back up Priest--and load up for the playoffs. Kinda dicey, what with all the QB injuries this week and what damage that waiver wire is going to take this evening--would be really sweet if we could get some kind of take on the odds for McNabb trying to play through it, or sitting out some games, or out all year. Sure hate to roll the dice when talking top players.

I am also trying to trade for McNabb. I would love to ride Drew Brees, Tom Brady, etc and wait until McNabb is healthy for a playoff run. Especially with the latest Sports Hernia news about McNabb, now would be the time to strike.I dont own Palmer in any redrafts, but if I did I would seriously consider trading him as I cant imagine his value getting any higher. Heck, I would love to see him continue to perform at the level he is, but we have to ask ourselves: Which is more probable?

Shoot--the trade offers I've been getting are all aimed at Palmer, but with the showing at Chitown I've been thinking of dealing Collins instead!

 

[Raider Nation]

The NFL Network just showed the Eagles' Wednesday presser. Reid, McNabb and Philly's trainer all spoke. In a nutshell, here are the important items which were mentioned:

They acknowledged that McNabb indeed does have a "sports hernia," and the trainer went on to explain that the only way that heals is with rest. If surgery is needed - which it is not at this point - McNabb can expect to be out between 10-12 weeks. For now, the plan is to limit Donovan's practice time, give him meds (pain killers, I assume) and treatment, and he is fully expected to start on Sunday. He is listed as probable. Playing with this injury can do no more damage, nor will they be risking any long-term damage.

McNabb said that if the injury got "much" worse, he would be forced to shut it down, but he doesn't expect that will be the case. He's going to fight through it for the season.

 

[zadok]

I just don't trust them when it comes to these things, and I think that Reid is going to end up losing McNabb for the season by playing him this weekend and will cost the Eagles their chance to go back to the SuperBowl.

This is one of the worst cases of overreacting I have ever seen. As a fellow fan, I will just say please stop, Chicken Little.

 

[mlwinokur]

McNabb Has Sports Hernia, Plans to Playby Dan GelstonThe Associated PressDonovan McNabb tossed touchdown passes on a broken ankle and played an NFC title game with an agonizing rib injury. Now McNabb is taking his biggest health risk yet: playing with a severe abdominal strain that likely will need surgery and definitely will leave the five-time Pro Bowl quarterback in discomfort and pain all season. "Fortunately for me, I haven't got to the point where you just can't go,'' the McNabb said. "Once that happens, then I think the best way of handling this is not being out there. But I don't think that would ever happen.'' Trainer Rick Burkholder said rest will not fix the problem and McNabb can play if he can handle the pain. McNabb, who practiced Wednesday, does not have to be sidelined now for the sports hernia. "We're hoping it's something we'll be able to manage,'' Burkholder said. "The plan with Donovan is to allow him to participate, continue to rehabilitate him and we're going to take it on a day-by-day, game-by-game situation.'' McNabb is expected to start Sunday against Kansas City and is willing to play through his various injuries. McNabb also is playing with soreness in his chest and a shin contusion. "I'm ready to go,'' McNabb said. "I don't have any concerns right now. ... It's just something you have to deal with and realize some days you'll feel great and some days you won't.'' McNabb was tested last week for the sports hernia, but coach Andy Reid called the injury an abdominal strain after the Eagles' win over Oakland. McNabb went to Boston on Tuesday for another opinion and it was confirmed he has a sports hernia. "His pain may get worse, it may get better, the condition won't,'' Burkholder said. "It's not like he's going to do a career-ending problem to his abdomen or his groin.'' McNabb hoped to delay surgery. Burkholder said it usually takes eight to 12 weeks to recover from that type of surgery. "If I can avoid it, I definitely will avoid it,'' McNabb said. "If that's the case that I have to have it, then it will happen.'' McNabb didn't know when he first hurt the area. He came into training camp with soreness in his abdomen. He seemed to be fine until the second game against San Francisco, when the injury was aggravated. The injury hasn't affected McNabb's performance too much. Against the 49ers, he matched his career best with five TD passes and threw for 342 yards while playing three quarters. Against the Raiders, McNabb rebounded from a slow first half and finished with 365 yards passing and two touchdowns while throwing a career-high 52 passes. "If it ends up where he can't function, then we'll shut him down,'' Reid said. While Reid said he would be smart with how he handles McNabb, he wouldn't rule out another 50-attempt game if that's needed to win. "If it means throwing 50 times, then you throw 50 times,'' Reid said. McNabb has played through pain in the past. He broke his ankle in the first quarter against Arizona in 2002, stayed in and threw four touchdowns. He had trouble playing with an injured thumb in 2003, but didn't miss any time. In the same year, he suffered a serious rib injury against Carolina in the NFC championship game. "It's good that I've been in the situation before where I've dealt with pain, I've dealt with soreness, dealt with injuries,'' McNabb said. Eagles cornerback Sheldon Brown played with the same injury two years ago and didn't miss any games, though he would miss the occasional series in practice. "It's like someone's sticking you,'' he said. "I played with it for a while and actually made it through the season, so it's not that bad.'' Also, Reid said kicker David Akers will miss the game against the Chiefs because of a torn hamstring. Akers originally strained his hamstring during two weeks ago against San Francisco and went down again after redoing the opening kickoff against the Raiders. He returned to make two extra points and kicked the winning field goal in the final seconds.

http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/v...0p.asp?ID=16359

 

[JAA]

Correct me if I'm wrong but McNabb had the same injury on Sunday and Reid and McNabb were okay with 52 passes, 365 yards and two TD's.  No hernia has been found.  Unless that changes, I just hope I'm in a league with a McNabb owner who reads this hysteria and wants to dump him fast, along with TO and Westbrook and everyone else.

  McNabb doesn't seem likely to run a whole lot for the foreseeable future.  Beyond that this is a non-story being exploited by unimaginative columnists and hysterical fantasy football overreactors to pass the time between Sundays.

52 pass attempts is a career high for McNabb, btw. I think Reid's play-calling needs to be seriously called into question.

This thread is an INSTANT CLASSIC!!

Where is Pickles?

Are you mocking me? Explain yourself.

Im mocking you because you think Reid's play-calling needs to be called into question, let alone "seriously" called into question.

Maybe it's just me, but...I think Andy Reid has had game-management and play-calling issues throughout his tenure as the Eagles head coach. But, I'll stick to last week:

How do you call on your QB to drop back and pass a career high 52 times (7th most in franchise history) when he is suffering from a multitude of injuries. The run/pass ratio is normally pretty questionable, but especially last week when you should be protecting your franchise QB and your 20-13 lead you should at least TRY to run the football. Look, I understand this is a pass-first offence, but if ever there was a time to try to run the football a little more it was last week. Instead Reid went the complete other direction and had Mcnabb throw the most passes for an Eagle since Randle Cunningham attempted 62 passes in 1989.

I can answer that in two words: double u

nip

 

[JAA]

McNabb May Get Second Opinion - Day to Day

Here is a link to a story that claims McNabb may get a second opinion. I assume that means an opinion outside of the organization.

I am sure we will know more by Thursday, but trading McNabb or even possibly TO for any type of similiar value is probably a very wise move. If McNabb goes out, I would think Westbrook's value would drop as well, since defenses could key on him a little more than Owens. (since Detmer sucks).

Dave

Leroy's Aces

Hopefully no one followed this advice

 

[Hurons]

Who was that guy that stated that McNabb was overrated?

 

[zadok]

I just don't trust them when it comes to these things, and I think that Reid is going to end up losing McNabb for the season by playing him this weekend and will cost the Eagles their chance to go back to the SuperBowl.

This is one of the worst cases of overreacting I have ever seen. As a fellow fan, I will just say please stop, Chicken Little.

Just wanted to give props to myself...