McNabb status for this weekend uncertain. (1 Viewer)

[Jared Lorenzen]

McNabb May Get Second Opinion - Day to Day

Here is a link to a story that claims McNabb may get a second opinion. I assume that means an opinion outside of the organization.

I am sure we will know more by Thursday, but trading McNabb or even possibly TO for any type of similiar value is probably a very wise move. If McNabb goes out, I would think Westbrook's value would drop as well, since defenses could key on him a little more than Owens. (since Detmer sucks).

Dave

Leroy's Aces

If it were AJ Feeley I wouldnt say the rest of the team would be in trouble. He completed 56% of his passes for 1,000 yards in 6 games. The TD to INT ratio (6:5) wasnt all that hot, but decent for a backup.

 

[Leroy's Aces]

In looking at my post, let me say this about McNabb and the rest of the Eagles.I do not know if McNabb is likely to be out and I do not know how anyone will produce if anything does or does not happen to McNabb this week or any week going forward.It is simply information. As JAA said, I do not have a crystal ball.

 

[JAA]

In looking at my post, let me say this about McNabb and the rest of the Eagles.

I do not know if McNabb is likely to be out and I do not know how anyone will produce if anything does or does not happen to McNabb this week or any week going forward.

It is simply information. As JAA said, I do not have a crystal ball.

since my other thread got locked

Look, the Henry info was provided before the suspension came out. I apologize for not knowing that Henry is shooting Dianabol in his ### on a daily basis to cure his turf toe.

After the game, I heard that Fisher, (who also had no idea about the suspension until Sunday AM) would not even look in Henry's direction during pregame. Hence, I assume that is why he did not get much playing time.

But going into the game, "Hnery was going to play a lot" was the word from Titan's homers, so any Chris Brown owners should be happy that Henry did not properly use the Whizzonator.

The McNabb piece I just got from Fantasyguru's news article links. It was new info and it is informative. I do not own McNabb, Owens, or Westbrook in any leagues. Just thought I would help. If he gets a 2nd opinion from a non-biased, non-team doctor (go watch Any Given Sunday), and decides to shut it down, just enjoy starting Harrington since you didn't trade him away. What do you think, I provided a link to a "fake" article?

FYI, I started Henry in WCOFF, so I was not trying to "dupe" your local league starts. I still am in 75th place overall, thanks to Steve Smith, Collins and others, but I was as pissed as anyone about the suspension and lack of playing time due to it.

(I also pimped San Diego's defense on Sunday night, and in spite of a called back int for a TD, that was another crappy opinion. )

Dave

Leroy's Aces

You recommended to trade McNabb and/or TO for similar value. You do realize DMac and TO are tops in points in most leagues. Trading them now would be a horrible idea unless you had a crystal ball ... which you dont.

Or you could argue that it would be a great idea since their value will never be higher. And their value has a chance to go from tops in the league to Pennington-level. You do realize that if McNabb's gets a second opinion and has surgery, he would be shut down likely for most if not all of the season? Even if it only a 15% chance, it is still a chance. It is simple risk avoidance.I do not have a crystal ball, you are right.

Look, trade them or don't trade them, I do not care, it is information that you choose to ignore, devalue or discard, and that is fine. I guess I should not have suggested to trade them, but rather that people can take the info and do what they want with it.

Based on your comments, feel free to keep McNabb and pray he does not:

1. Have surgery this week after getting another opinion.

2. Sit out this week to heal. Then sit out week 5 to heal, since week 6 is the bye.

3. Get re-injured on any single play in week 4 or 5 in one of three bodily areas that every defensive player knows where he is hurt.

That is your decision to make, not mine, I have Collins. Good luck to you!

sig bet DMac scores more regular season [week 4->13] fantasy points than Collins starting week 4.

 

[Jared Lorenzen]

In looking at my post, let me say this about McNabb and the rest of the Eagles.

I do not know if McNabb is likely to be out and I do not know how anyone will produce if anything does or does not happen to McNabb this week or any week going forward.

It is simply information.  As JAA said, I do not have a crystal ball.

since my other thread got locked

Look, the Henry info was provided before the suspension came out.  I apologize for not knowing that Henry is shooting Dianabol in his ### on a daily basis to cure his turf toe.

After the game, I heard that Fisher, (who also had no idea about the suspension until Sunday AM) would not even look in Henry's direction during pregame.  Hence, I assume that is why he did not get much playing time. 

But going into the game, "Hnery was going to play a lot" was the word from Titan's homers, so any Chris Brown owners should be happy that Henry did not properly use the Whizzonator.

The McNabb piece I just got from Fantasyguru's news article links.  It was new info and it is informative.  I do not own McNabb, Owens, or Westbrook in any leagues.  Just thought I would help.  If he gets a 2nd opinion from a non-biased, non-team doctor (go watch Any Given Sunday), and decides to shut it down, just enjoy starting Harrington since you didn't trade him away.  What do you think, I provided a link to a "fake" article?

FYI, I started Henry in WCOFF, so I was not trying to "dupe" your local league starts.  I still am in 75th place overall, thanks to Steve Smith, Collins and others, but I was as pissed as anyone about the suspension and lack of playing time due to it.

(I also pimped San Diego's defense on Sunday night, and in spite of a called back int for a TD, that was another crappy opinion. ) 

Dave

Leroy's Aces

You recommended to trade McNabb and/or TO for similar value. You do realize DMac and TO are tops in points in most leagues. Trading them now would be a horrible idea unless you had a crystal ball ... which you dont.

Or you could argue that it would be a great idea since their value will never be higher. And their value has a chance to go from tops in the league to Pennington-level. You do realize that if McNabb's gets a second opinion and has surgery, he would be shut down likely for most if not all of the season? Even if it only a 15% chance, it is still a chance. It is simple risk avoidance.I do not have a crystal ball, you are right.

Look, trade them or don't trade them, I do not care, it is information that you choose to ignore, devalue or discard, and that is fine. I guess I should not have suggested to trade them, but rather that people can take the info and do what they want with it.

Based on your comments, feel free to keep McNabb and pray he does not:

1. Have surgery this week after getting another opinion.

2. Sit out this week to heal. Then sit out week 5 to heal, since week 6 is the bye.

3. Get re-injured on any single play in week 4 or 5 in one of three bodily areas that every defensive player knows where he is hurt.

That is your decision to make, not mine, I have Collins. Good luck to you!

sig bet DMac scores more regular season [week 4->13] fantasy points than Collins starting week 4.

I feel the personal attack was uncalled for. Providing that info is really helpful and because of it, I am looking to move McNabb. You're right, his value is skyhigh right now. And being on the Madden cover scares me even more. Thanks for the info!

 

[Leroy's Aces]

In looking at my post, let me say this about McNabb and the rest of the Eagles.

I do not know if McNabb is likely to be out and I do not know how anyone will produce if anything does or does not happen to McNabb this week or any week going forward.

It is simply information.  As JAA said, I do not have a crystal ball.

since my other thread got locked

Look, the Henry info was provided before the suspension came out.  I apologize for not knowing that Henry is shooting Dianabol in his ### on a daily basis to cure his turf toe.

After the game, I heard that Fisher, (who also had no idea about the suspension until Sunday AM) would not even look in Henry's direction during pregame.  Hence, I assume that is why he did not get much playing time. 

But going into the game, "Hnery was going to play a lot" was the word from Titan's homers, so any Chris Brown owners should be happy that Henry did not properly use the Whizzonator.

The McNabb piece I just got from Fantasyguru's news article links.  It was new info and it is informative.  I do not own McNabb, Owens, or Westbrook in any leagues.  Just thought I would help.  If he gets a 2nd opinion from a non-biased, non-team doctor (go watch Any Given Sunday), and decides to shut it down, just enjoy starting Harrington since you didn't trade him away.  What do you think, I provided a link to a "fake" article?

FYI, I started Henry in WCOFF, so I was not trying to "dupe" your local league starts.  I still am in 75th place overall, thanks to Steve Smith, Collins and others, but I was as pissed as anyone about the suspension and lack of playing time due to it.

(I also pimped San Diego's defense on Sunday night, and in spite of a called back int for a TD, that was another crappy opinion. ) 

Dave

Leroy's Aces

You recommended to trade McNabb and/or TO for similar value. You do realize DMac and TO are tops in points in most leagues. Trading them now would be a horrible idea unless you had a crystal ball ... which you dont.

Or you could argue that it would be a great idea since their value will never be higher. And their value has a chance to go from tops in the league to Pennington-level. You do realize that if McNabb's gets a second opinion and has surgery, he would be shut down likely for most if not all of the season? Even if it only a 15% chance, it is still a chance. It is simple risk avoidance.I do not have a crystal ball, you are right.

Look, trade them or don't trade them, I do not care, it is information that you choose to ignore, devalue or discard, and that is fine. I guess I should not have suggested to trade them, but rather that people can take the info and do what they want with it.

Based on your comments, feel free to keep McNabb and pray he does not:

1. Have surgery this week after getting another opinion.

2. Sit out this week to heal. Then sit out week 5 to heal, since week 6 is the bye.

3. Get re-injured on any single play in week 4 or 5 in one of three bodily areas that every defensive player knows where he is hurt.

That is your decision to make, not mine, I have Collins. Good luck to you!

sig bet DMac scores more regular season [week 4->13] fantasy points than Collins starting week 4.

I don't really get why we would have a sig bet over it, considering that 1. I never said Collins was better than McNabb.

2. I like McNabb. Since he was drafted 2-5 rounds earlier than Collins in all drafts, he should outperform him. (barring injury, of course )

3. I do not care about "sigs", I do not even have one.

In fact, just tell what you want me to say about McNabb and that can be my sig right now!

Why don't we bet 10 packs of Cigs? I can give them to my smoker buddy if I win.

Dave

Leroy's Aces

 

[TheGolfBallKid]

With all this McNabb talk, I'm curious as to how Westbrook's value is impacted. Is there a way to see how he's performed in the absence of McNabb. Not a Philly homer, so not sure when McNabb's been out and if Westbrook was the Rb or if it was Staley or Buckhalter. Any help would be appreciated. I may have to move him as a preemptive strike and try to land another stud RB to pair w/ LT. Thanks in advance for any relative information.

 

[mlwinokur]

I posted this in another thread. It explains what a sports hernia is...

WHAT IS A SPORTS HERNIA?

A sports hernia is a vague term describing types of weakness in the anterior (front, outside) abdominal wall. As a result of this weakness, contents of the abdomen push out through the lining. An opening or gap in the wall, called a hiatus, forms from the pressure of the abdominal contents. A sports hernia is defined by abdominal contents moving through the hiatus and causing an abdominal bulge that results in a pinching pain. It results in pain and swelling in the lower abdominal muscles and the lower abdominal region. An athlete can acquire a sports hernia in two ways: 1) there can be inherent weakness in the lining of the stomach wall; then, when the athlete exerts large forces on his body, the weakness can stretch and become a hole; 2) it is possible that one dramatic strain can pull or tug on a region of the abdomen and result in such a weakness.

DIAGNOSIS

An athlete will describe a sharp, pinching pain. In a clinical exam, the physician will feel the abdomen trying to find a bulge. Then the physician will have the patient bear down (bend over), take deep breaths, and tighten the abdominal muscles. In this scenario, there would be a worsening of the pain as the patient inhales. It can also be diagnosed through an MRI. The physician can look at the images of the abdominal wall and find any holes or weakened portions.

TREATMENT

The treatment plan depends on the severity of the injury. In most cases, the treatment is rest, combined with an anti-inflammatory drug, ice, and a strengthening program. This allows most athletes to fully recover and return to their sports. If this fails and surgery is necessary the hiatus is closed surgically and then the patient can again rest the area, use the anti-inflammatory drugs, ice, and the strengthening program. This will obviously keep the athlete out of his sport for a longer period of time.

PREVENTION

Fear of hernias is the main reason that athletes exercise the abdomen. The stronger an athlete's abdominal musculature is, the more stable the lower abdominal wall is and, as a result, the lesser the chance of injury. However, if the player has a pre-existing weakness, there is little that he can do to avoid an injury.

RECOVERY

The recovery program and period vary depending on the athlete. For minor sports hernias, an athlete may miss just 2-4 weeks. But if it is slightly more serious, he may miss six weeks. If a surgical procedure is necessary, an athlete may miss the entire season, and it may take 6-12 months before he is back to full strength. It is a slow and gradual recovery.

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

Many athletes suffer no lingering effects from this type of injury. If the athlete is treated properly, rests well, and lets the injury heal, he will most likely be able to return to pre-injury form. If the athlete rushes back into play too soon, he may hinder both his recovery and his play. Once an athlete does return, however, he has a slightly increased chance of suffering a sports hernia in the future.

Medical information was provided by Michael J. Ciccotti, MD, who is director of sports medicine at the Rothman Institute at Thomas Jefferson University Hospital in Philadelphia. He is also the team physician for Major League Baseball's Philadelphia Phillies.

 

[diesel7982]

Ive never seen more of an overreaction to anything on this board, and thats saying alot.Settle down folks.

 

[mlwinokur]

I read these two columns today. Basically why McNabb shouldn't play.

Phil Sheridan | Reid now adding insult to injuriesBy Phil SheridanInquirer ColumnistThe most honest moments occurred on the field Sunday. The most honest answers came not in words but from the pained expressions on the faces of Donovan McNabb and David Akers.If Andy Reid doesn't learn from those moments, doesn't adjust his thinking accordingly, he will have no one to blame but himself if history repeats itself.Last week, Akers had a strained right hamstring. This week, Akers has a torn right hamstring.This week, McNabb has a sore chest, an abdominal injury and a bruised shin. Next week? Well, Reid could well find himself explaining that his quarterback's much more serious injury isn't related to all the ones he had going into the Kansas City game.Will it be the chest? Will it be a serious tear in the abdomen or groin area? Will it be a knee ligament sprained or a shoulder separated because McNabb couldn't get out of harm's way quickly enough?What just happened with Akers should cut through the fog-of-war mind-set that seems to be prevalent at the NovaCare Complex right now. Reid actually tried to sell the idea that Akers' torn hamstring was unrelated to the injury he suffered a week before."Well, it's in a different spot," the Eagles coach said. "That is what's different here. It's not the same spot. It's really a different injury in the leg."Sorry, coach. Nobody is buying that.A week ago today, these words appeared under the same dashing mug shot: The smart move is to rest Akers until he's at 100 percent. A long season and a potentially very short postseason are ahead. The Eagles can't have this thing lingering and coming back to haunt them....The author of those words is not a medical doctor or trainer or head coach or psychic. That just made sense last Tuesday, and it makes a whole lot more sense this Tuesday.So, will Reid consider sitting McNabb until the quarterback heals?"I don't think we are at that point, not today," Reid said.A day earlier, McNabb clearly was unable to run, throw or take a hit the way he normally does. These are pretty serious issues for a guy expected to line up across from an NFL defense and throw the ball 50 times a game.One highlight showed McNabb trying to slide after a very short run. He was in agony. It was right there on his face. That, more than McNabb's words, should be driving Reid's decision-making.Akers wanted to play this week. Now he can't play next week.McNabb always wants to play. On Sunday, he said he would play if he was told he couldn't make his various injuries worse. If he could make it worse, he said, he would have to "think" about whether to play.Reid should be thinking for his proud franchise QB, at least a little bit.Right now, you have to wonder. McNabb was taking a beating in the season opener in Atlanta and the Eagles ran 48 pass plays against just 13 run plays.Against San Francisco, there was some better balance. Still, McNabb was called on to throw the ball 31 times in three quarters of play.Sunday, even though the Eagles were leading for stretches and the QB was in obvious pain, Reid called for an incredible 56 pass plays against 15 run plays.The fog of war must be thick indeed."At the end, you look at it and say, 'That's a lot of times [throwing],' " offensive coordinator Brad Childress said. "I think in any point in time you need to know who you are. You need to know what you do and what you do well and don't try to be somebody else. That's important."And that's fine. It's a pass-first offense. But it really seems obvious that Reid and his staff are choosing to ignore the two obvious solutions to their current problem.They could rest McNabb and run all the pass plays they want with a healthy Koy Detmer or Mike McMahon.They could play McNabb but protect him a little by running the ball more and keeping a tight end or back in to block more often. This is going to be even more pressing now that defensive coaches and players know where the bull's-eyes are on McNabb's beat-up body.Reid stood by McNabb, letting the QB play through a thumb injury that rendered him ineffective early in the 2003 season. But these injuries are different. The thumb affected his accuracy. These make him a sitting duck.Normally, you give Reid the benefit of the doubt. The image of Akers lying at midfield, clutching his hamstring, makes it hard to see any benefit to risking McNabb.The doubt's still visible through the fog.

Rich Hofmann | It's time for No. 5 to look out for No. 1 on the health frontTHE QUARTERBACK was injured Sunday - that much was obvious enough. An injury in a previously injured area had been aggravated. There was pain, and there were some limitations on his functionality, and everybody involved knew it. But the game was close and the need was great and the quarterback read the situation and did what he believed was called for in that situation. He played.When it was over, the quarterback said, "I've been through a lot worse. It just seems like it's common routine for me: Find a way to play through an injury and deal with it and go from there."The quarterback?The New York Jets' Chad Pennington.It happens every week in the NFL, where neither health nor contracts are guaranteed, where the profits are always sustainable and the players are always disposable. It is not just Donovan McNabb. It is not just David Akers. It is everywhere and it is every week.Because of that, it is hard to know what to say right now about McNabb, and how he should handle the immediatefuture. Eagles coach Andy Reid says McNabb's bruised sternum continues to bother him, and his strained abdomen continues to bother him, and he now has a bruised shin, too. There isn't enough room on his uniform to attach all the bull's-eyes.Part of you wants to scream that McNabb should sit out for a few weeks here, and if there was a doctor willing to say that he would be completely healthy if he took off a few games, it would be a scream that even McNabb - historically deaf to all such entreaties - just might hear.This would be the logic: You miss the next two games, at Kansas City and Dallas, and hope your teammates can keep from collapsing in your absence. Those 2 weeks, followed by the Eagles' bye week, might just be enough - and then, the theory would go, McNabb would be healthy for the important part of the season. This team loses very few games after Nov. 1 under Andy Reid, and a healthy quarterback would be the Eagles' best chance to continue that pattern. There is a problem, though. Nobody knows if rest is the answer here.Abdominal injuries are underrated cripplers in pro sports. That modern athletic training is so focused now on strengthening an athlete's core - the muscles in his trunk - tells you just how important this area is.At the risk of showing too much age, it is not hard to remember in the 1980s when the great Roynell Young went from being an All-Pro player for the Eagles to just another cornerback after suffering some kind of abdominal strain or tear that robbed him of a season, and more. It was a baffling thing to many people at the time - it's just a pulled muscle, right? - but the implications for that player were enormous, and he wasn't the only one, and he isn't the only one.Now, McNabb either has a strained abdomen or he has a sports hernia; the Eagles are calling it the former, the concern is that it is the latter, and McNabb said Sunday he might be interested in getting another medical opinion. Reid said yesterday it might happen or it might not.One thing is clear: McNabb had better take charge here.Because if he says he can play, Reid will let him play - just as he allowed McNabb to continue Sunday despite some obvious problems, just as he allowed Akers to kick Sunday despite some common-sense concerns.Reid is no different than the rest of the people in his profession - no different than the Jets' Herm Edwards (who, just to close the circle, played cornerback opposite Roynell Young for years in the Eagles' secondary). The player wants to play if he can and the coach wants him to play if he can - and that goes double for quarterbacks, whoall quickly learn three things at their fraternity initiation: that the money is great, that abaseball cap on the sideline isrequired, and that you never leave a game voluntarily."You first look at the medical evidence and try to exhaust that," Reid said. "We go to the nth degree to try to do that and then you work from there. You talk to the doctors and talk to the player and have to take a bunch of information in, try to come up with the right answer."The problem is that the evidence isn't always clear-cut.At that point, the player rules - and the player isn't coming out, because that is the player's reflex. For a marginal guy, worried about his future, that is a risky bit of business. For a star - someone of McNabb's stature, or to bring up a rotten memory, of Eric Lindros' stature back in his Flyers days - it is different. Someone like that has the power to make a rational decision that will carry no repercussions.McNabb clearly has that power, even if he has never exercised it. As for the here and now, the right decision is not obvious.You hope for his sake that somebody can answer the two key questions: Would rest make adifference, and is there a risk of something really serious happening if he continues playing?For Donovan McNabb's sake, the hope here is for some answers, some clarity. Without them, all he has is the quarterback's reflex, and we all know what that is.As Chad Pennington said Sunday, the day before it was reported his rotator cuff was torn and his season was over, "They'll have to cut it off for me not to play."

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[Leroy's Aces]

Great info, mlwinokur.I do not understand how you can commit $20 million guaranteed to a QB like McNabb and then potentially risk his career by starting him when you do not even know the extent of his injury. Everyone that watched or listened to Pennington (he said he was only 80% in week 3 of preseason, I think) in preseason KNEW that he was not 100% recovered from that surgery. It is now fairly obvious that he was rushed back at 80-85% and look at what happened. A guy like Reid has job security and should have the guts, intelligence and concern to (and maybe he will) tell McNabb to sit for 2 game weeks and the bye and let his 3 (!) injuries heal properly.

 

[Jared Lorenzen]

Looking to offer McNabb in some trades in my keeper (TD only). Made an offer for Palmer. Not sure if I should go after Manning or even Culpepper... You guys think they both can rebould to the top tier?

 

[mlwinokur]

Looking to offer McNabb in some trades in my keeper (TD only). Made an offer for Palmer. Not sure if I should go after Manning or even Culpepper... You guys think they both can rebould to the top tier?

I understand you're new here, but questions about what you should do with your team (i.e. trades, waiver pick-ups, who do I start) generally belong in the Assistant Coach ForumThe Shark Pool should be reserved for NFL talk and general fantasy strategy. This is so we don't have "Who do I start" questions clogging up the shark pool and thereby obscuring the more interesting threads.

I just wanted to let you know before someone gives you a hard time about it.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Looking to offer McNabb in some trades in my keeper (TD only). Made an offer for Palmer. Not sure if I should go after Manning or even Culpepper... You guys think they both can rebould to the top tier?

Who in their right mind would give you any of those guys for McNabb right now?

 

[Jared Lorenzen]

Looking to offer McNabb in some trades in my keeper (TD only). Made an offer for Palmer. Not sure if I should go after Manning or even Culpepper... You guys think they both can rebould to the top tier?

I understand you're new here, but questions about what you should do with your team (i.e. trades, waiver pick-ups, who do I start) generally belong in the Assistant Coach ForumThe Shark Pool should be reserved for NFL talk and general fantasy strategy. This is so we don't have "Who do I start" questions clogging up the shark pool and thereby obscuring the more interesting threads.

I just wanted to let you know before someone gives you a hard time about it.

Not new... asking if Manning or Culpepper can rebound isn't something that goes in that forum.

 

[Jared Lorenzen]

Looking to offer McNabb in some trades in my keeper (TD only). Made an offer for Palmer. Not sure if I should go after Manning or even Culpepper... You guys think they both can rebould to the top tier?

Who in their right mind would give you any of those guys for McNabb right now?

In a TD only league, who wouldnt? This news hasn't been released and McNabb is tied with Palmer with most TD passes.

 

[KevT]

soooo, who takes over if McNabb is out. McMahon or Detmer? Detmer is listed as the number 2 on the "official" Eagles site. FBG's has McMahon #2.

Any word besides an Eagle chat?

 

[mlwinokur]

Looking to offer McNabb in some trades in my keeper (TD only). Made an offer for Palmer. Not sure if I should go after Manning or even Culpepper... You guys think they both can rebould to the top tier?

I understand you're new here, but questions about what you should do with your team (i.e. trades, waiver pick-ups, who do I start) generally belong in the Assistant Coach ForumThe Shark Pool should be reserved for NFL talk and general fantasy strategy. This is so we don't have "Who do I start" questions clogging up the shark pool and thereby obscuring the more interesting threads.

I just wanted to let you know before someone gives you a hard time about it.

Not new... asking if Manning or Culpepper can rebound isn't something that goes in that forum.

Ok, I was nice. Now I'm going to be a bit less nice.Now, you asked If you should go after Manning or Culpepper after stating that you own McNabb and have offered him in a trade for Palmer....That's trade advice and should be in the AC. Simply put, the rest of us don't really care what trade you make, and if you want advice about that it belong in the AC, where people are posting specifically because they need questions like that answered or want to answer those types of questions.

If you think you have a legit question for the Shark Pool such as "if Manning or Culpepper can rebound" you should start a thread on the topic.

What ever the case your question DOES NOT BELONG IN THIS THREAD. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT MCNABBS INJURIES.

 

[Cheesedawg]

Correct me if I'm wrong but McNabb had the same injury on Sunday and Reid and McNabb were okay with 52 passes, 365 yards and two TD's. No hernia has been found. Unless that changes, I just hope I'm in a league with a McNabb owner who reads this hysteria and wants to dump him fast, along with TO and Westbrook and everyone else. McNabb doesn't seem likely to run a whole lot for the foreseeable future. Beyond that this is a non-story being exploited by unimaginative columnists and hysterical fantasy football overreactors to pass the time between Sundays.

 

[eddy13]

Ok guys really.... Is there a chance if Mcnabb rest all these injuries that he would be back week 6 at about 90 percent... Will 2 weeks rest help.. Can he play liek this all year long?... Will he be out for the year and there goes my season!

 

[mlwinokur]

soooo, who takes over if McNabb is out. McMahon or Detmer? Detmer is listed as the number 2 on the "official" Eagles site. FBG's has McMahon #2.

Any word besides an Eagle chat?

KevT,As an Eagles fan, the undertanding I've always had is that Detmer would play if McNabb got injured DURING THE GAME and needed to come out, and McMahon would start if McNabb were to be out for a full game or more. The reason for this is because Detmer is the holder on field goals and therefore dresses for every game, whereas McMahon would be active for a game only if McNabb could not be because of roster requirements. Once you put a third QB in the game the first QB cannot comeback.

So again, my understanding is that McMahon is the backup QB who would start and Detmer is the emergency QB who wuld come in during the game if McNabb were hurt.

 

[diesel7982]

Looking to offer McNabb in some trades in my keeper (TD only). Made an offer for Palmer. Not sure if I should go after Manning or even Culpepper... You guys think they both can rebould to the top tier?

I understand you're new here, but questions about what you should do with your team (i.e. trades, waiver pick-ups, who do I start) generally belong in the Assistant Coach ForumThe Shark Pool should be reserved for NFL talk and general fantasy strategy. This is so we don't have "Who do I start" questions clogging up the shark pool and thereby obscuring the more interesting threads.

I just wanted to let you know before someone gives you a hard time about it.

Not new... asking if Manning or Culpepper can rebound isn't something that goes in that forum.

Ok, I was nice. Now I'm going to be a bit less nice.Now, you asked If you should go after Manning or Culpepper after stating that you own McNabb and have offered him in a trade for Palmer....That's trade advice and should be in the AC. Simply put, the rest of us don't really care what trade you make, and if you want advice about that it belong in the AC, where people are posting specifically because they need questions like that answered or want to answer those types of questions.

If you think you have a legit question for the Shark Pool such as "if Manning or Culpepper can rebound" you should start a thread on the topic.

What ever the case your question DOES NOT BELONG IN THIS THREAD. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT MCNABBS INJURIES.

I just find it hilarious hes asking for advice as to whether or not to try to scam a Manning owner by dealing him McNabb before the injury news is announced.

 

[mlwinokur]

Correct me if I'm wrong but McNabb had the same injury on Sunday and Reid and McNabb were okay with 52 passes, 365 yards and two TD's. No hernia has been found. Unless that changes, I just hope I'm in a league with a McNabb owner who reads this hysteria and wants to dump him fast, along with TO and Westbrook and everyone else.

McNabb doesn't seem likely to run a whole lot for the foreseeable future. Beyond that this is a non-story being exploited by unimaginative columnists and hysterical fantasy football overreactors to pass the time between Sundays.

52 pass attempts is a career high for McNabb, btw. I think Reid's play-calling needs to be seriously called into question.

 

[Bigtime]

I just talked to the Sports Editor at the CBS-TV affiliate in Philadelphia who was in contact with the team this afternoon, and he said there is no truth to the rumor that McNabb will be out for the season and that there is any plans for any surgery.  He basically said McNabb is banged up right now, the team will give him limited to no practice this week, and the team seems to think that he will play this weekend but will give the other QBs the practice reps this week.  That's current as of 8:15 Eastern on Tuesday, if you want to take the word of a Sports Editor in Philly.

David,

Being all over it with the research, time and effort, and then providing it to us is further proof the message board should be for paying members only.

Nice job.

Sorry, friend they're not going to make it a pay message board. I have been on this board for a long time and even though I don't subscribe I have referred two friends to FBGs. One bought the magazine and web access. The other just bought the web access.

 

[Bigtime]

Back on topic. I had Brady last year and he was listed as Probable every game with a shoulder injury. I think I can tough this one out too. Pennington is not Mcnabb! Don't buy the hype.

 

[Raider Nation]

Looking to offer McNabb in some trades in my keeper (TD only). Made an offer for Palmer. Not sure if I should go after Manning or even Culpepper... You guys think they both can rebould to the top tier?

I understand you're new here, but questions about what you should do with your team (i.e. trades, waiver pick-ups, who do I start) generally belong in the Assistant Coach ForumThe Shark Pool should be reserved for NFL talk and general fantasy strategy. This is so we don't have "Who do I start" questions clogging up the shark pool and thereby obscuring the more interesting threads.

I just wanted to let you know before someone gives you a hard time about it.

Not new... asking if Manning or Culpepper can rebound isn't something that goes in that forum.

Ok, I was nice. Now I'm going to be a bit less nice.Now, you asked If you should go after Manning or Culpepper after stating that you own McNabb and have offered him in a trade for Palmer....That's trade advice and should be in the AC. Simply put, the rest of us don't really care what trade you make, and if you want advice about that it belong in the AC, where people are posting specifically because they need questions like that answered or want to answer those types of questions.

If you think you have a legit question for the Shark Pool such as "if Manning or Culpepper can rebound" you should start a thread on the topic.

What ever the case your question DOES NOT BELONG IN THIS THREAD. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT MCNABBS INJURIES.

I just find it hilarious hes asking for advice as to whether or not to try to scam a Manning owner by dealing him McNabb before the injury news is announced.

I'm wondering the same thing, though I won't get into specific players. Let me ask this. Is it unethical to offer McNabb to another owner who may not realize the severity of McNabb's condition? I would request a player of a healthy McNabb's stature in return. This is a long time league, and we are all close friends.I suppose I just answered my own question with that last statement.

 

[Jared Lorenzen]

Ok, I was nice. Now I'm going to be a bit less nice.

Now, you asked If you should go after Manning or Culpepper after stating that you own McNabb and have offered him in a trade for Palmer....That's trade advice and should be in the AC. Simply put, the rest of us don't really care what trade you make, and if you want advice about that it belong in the AC, where people are posting specifically because they need questions like that answered or want to answer those types of questions.

If you think you have a legit question for the Shark Pool such as "if Manning or Culpepper can rebound" you should start a thread on the topic.

What ever the case your question DOES NOT BELONG IN THIS THREAD. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT MCNABBS INJURIES.

Well it seems to me that you have a problem paying attention to detail.

Looking to offer McNabb in some trades in my keeper (TD only). Made an offer for Palmer. Not sure if I should go after Manning or even Culpepper... You guys think they both can rebould to the top tier?

Lets look at what I said: Looking to deal McNabb, offered for Palmer, not sure about McNabb/Culpepper and wondering if people thought those 2 could rebound. Now, does asking if those 2 can rebound really go into that forum? I dont think so. See, there's something called reading, and apparently you aren't very good at it. I'm surprised you follow all the posts ahead of mine so far.

Oh, and one last thing, until it says Moderator, Staff or Admin under your name, I dont have to listen to anything you say. Good luck on your power trip.

Have a nice day.

 

[seahawk 17]

This is not the time or the place, but I will go ahead and get suckered in...The debate over a paid members message board as been going on for years. I do not care one way or another, as I am a paid member, but I like what everybody brings to the table.With that being said, I posted something that I heard. Mass hysteria ensues. Football Guys Admin gets on the phone calls a sports editor with in minutes and posts what he found out. Despite all of the content I already have access to, every penny I have given over the years to FBG's has been well worth it, just in that one act of trying to find out what's going on.Maybe I do not know how to give out compliments, but I was trying to say I would pay a lot of money for that inside information. Furthermore, I will be a paying member forever, just because of that act of customer service.Sorry to offend people, bad choice of words.

 

[DonnyT33]

Watching NFL Total Access...they just reported he may not play, and that he has a sports hernia that may require surgery(Which would end his season).

Did anyone see this?  (Yes, I own him and am now freaking out)  :X

NOOOOO. I hate being in a TD only league. Guys like FWP, Mi. Clayton, Branch, Bruce aren't worth much. Hopefully Dilfer puts on a probowl campaign as the only QBs I could've taken in the draft (8 man keeper) was McNair or Carr.

Jared how old are you anyway? Just wondering what makes you one of the most obnoxious posters to read here? WTF does this rambling have to do with Mcnabbs injury? Maybe they'll get Lorenzen dadada GOOF.

 

[JAA]

In looking at my post, let me say this about McNabb and the rest of the Eagles.

I do not know if McNabb is likely to be out and I do not know how anyone will produce if anything does or does not happen to McNabb this week or any week going forward.

It is simply information.  As JAA said, I do not have a crystal ball.

since my other thread got locked

Look, the Henry info was provided before the suspension came out.  I apologize for not knowing that Henry is shooting Dianabol in his ### on a daily basis to cure his turf toe.

After the game, I heard that Fisher, (who also had no idea about the suspension until Sunday AM) would not even look in Henry's direction during pregame.  Hence, I assume that is why he did not get much playing time. 

But going into the game, "Hnery was going to play a lot" was the word from Titan's homers, so any Chris Brown owners should be happy that Henry did not properly use the Whizzonator.

The McNabb piece I just got from Fantasyguru's news article links.  It was new info and it is informative.  I do not own McNabb, Owens, or Westbrook in any leagues.  Just thought I would help.  If he gets a 2nd opinion from a non-biased, non-team doctor (go watch Any Given Sunday), and decides to shut it down, just enjoy starting Harrington since you didn't trade him away.  What do you think, I provided a link to a "fake" article?

FYI, I started Henry in WCOFF, so I was not trying to "dupe" your local league starts.  I still am in 75th place overall, thanks to Steve Smith, Collins and others, but I was as pissed as anyone about the suspension and lack of playing time due to it.

(I also pimped San Diego's defense on Sunday night, and in spite of a called back int for a TD, that was another crappy opinion. ) 

Dave

Leroy's Aces

You recommended to trade McNabb and/or TO for similar value. You do realize DMac and TO are tops in points in most leagues. Trading them now would be a horrible idea unless you had a crystal ball ... which you dont.

Or you could argue that it would be a great idea since their value will never be higher. And their value has a chance to go from tops in the league to Pennington-level. You do realize that if McNabb's gets a second opinion and has surgery, he would be shut down likely for most if not all of the season? Even if it only a 15% chance, it is still a chance. It is simple risk avoidance.I do not have a crystal ball, you are right.

Look, trade them or don't trade them, I do not care, it is information that you choose to ignore, devalue or discard, and that is fine. I guess I should not have suggested to trade them, but rather that people can take the info and do what they want with it.

Based on your comments, feel free to keep McNabb and pray he does not:

1. Have surgery this week after getting another opinion.

2. Sit out this week to heal. Then sit out week 5 to heal, since week 6 is the bye.

3. Get re-injured on any single play in week 4 or 5 in one of three bodily areas that every defensive player knows where he is hurt.

That is your decision to make, not mine, I have Collins. Good luck to you!

sig bet DMac scores more regular season [week 4->13] fantasy points than Collins starting week 4.

I don't really get why we would have a sig bet over it, considering that 1. I never said Collins was better than McNabb.

2. I like McNabb. Since he was drafted 2-5 rounds earlier than Collins in all drafts, he should outperform him. (barring injury, of course )

3. I do not care about "sigs", I do not even have one.

In fact, just tell what you want me to say about McNabb and that can be my sig right now!

Why don't we bet 10 packs of Cigs? I can give them to my smoker buddy if I win.

Dave

Leroy's Aces

I called you out. I said your info was and still is bunk. I said it because your "recommendations" are waaaaay of base. You comback and say you are just relaying information when in fact, you are telling people how to manange their teams with info you are posting. You then say you dont care, you dont have to worry, because you have Collins and finish it with "Good luck to you". If that isnt the most passive aggreesive veiled attempt to say Collins will score more than McNabb, than I dont know what is.Finally, I offered a "sig" bet because obviously from your buddy's posting, I cant hang with your WCOFF stacks of high society since that seems to be the measuring stick around here. I called you about because your info was horrible. I find it more interesting now with other people harping on your trophies. If this bet isnt good enough, than maybe you shouldnt be giving advice you arent willing to go to the shirt about.

 

[JAA]

I read these two columns today. Basically why McNabb shouldn't play.

Can you show me the column that says "Tests show McNabb has a Sports Hernia"? All reports I have heard and read say tests were inconclusive. Playing @ KC next week is an excellent opportunity for a week of coach speak in an attempt to affect the Chiefs game plan.

 

[JAA]

Looking to offer McNabb in some trades in my keeper (TD only). Made an offer for Palmer. Not sure if I should go after Manning or even Culpepper... You guys think they both can rebould to the top tier?

And you goldfish turned you down? He must be getting bad info from your sister. You may want to talk to "commish" pet rock.

 

[JAA]

soooo, who takes over if McNabb is out. McMahon or Detmer? Detmer is listed as the number 2 on the "official" Eagles site. FBG's has McMahon #2.

Any word besides an Eagle chat?

Koy is the #2 because of Akers. If Akers is not playing McMahon might see more time. I have never liked what I have seen of Koy in game time. Who knows what will happen with the QBs if McNabb doesnt play.

 

[JAA]

Correct me if I'm wrong but McNabb had the same injury on Sunday and Reid and McNabb were okay with 52 passes, 365 yards and two TD's. No hernia has been found. Unless that changes, I just hope I'm in a league with a McNabb owner who reads this hysteria and wants to dump him fast, along with TO and Westbrook and everyone else.

McNabb doesn't seem likely to run a whole lot for the foreseeable future. Beyond that this is a non-story being exploited by unimaginative columnists and hysterical fantasy football overreactors to pass the time between Sundays.

What makes you think logical deductions will fly here?

 

[glumpy]

Watching NFL Total Access...they just reported he may not play, and that he has a sports hernia that may require surgery(Which would end his season).

Did anyone see this?  (Yes, I own him and am now freaking out)  :X

NOOOOO. I hate being in a TD only league. Guys like FWP, Mi. Clayton, Branch, Bruce aren't worth much. Hopefully Dilfer puts on a probowl campaign as the only QBs I could've taken in the draft (8 man keeper) was McNair or Carr.

Jared how old are you anyway? Just wondering what makes you one of the most obnoxious posters to read here? WTF does this rambling have to do with Mcnabbs injury? Maybe they'll get Lorenzen dadada GOOF.

It's called commiserating. Many drink that quaff once in awhile--I don't think it qualifies as "obnoxious".

Self absorbed maybe.

 

[JAA]

Correct me if I'm wrong but McNabb had the same injury on Sunday and Reid and McNabb were okay with 52 passes, 365 yards and two TD's.  No hernia has been found.  Unless that changes, I just hope I'm in a league with a McNabb owner who reads this hysteria and wants to dump him fast, along with TO and Westbrook and everyone else.

  McNabb doesn't seem likely to run a whole lot for the foreseeable future.  Beyond that this is a non-story being exploited by unimaginative columnists and hysterical fantasy football overreactors to pass the time between Sundays.

52 pass attempts is a career high for McNabb, btw. I think Reid's play-calling needs to be seriously called into question.

This thread is an INSTANT CLASSIC!!

Where is Pickles?

 

[JDubs]

KevT,

As an Eagles fan, the undertanding I've always had is that Detmer would play if McNabb got injured DURING THE GAME and needed to come out, and McMahon would start if McNabb were to be out for a full game or more. The reason for this is because Detmer is the holder on field goals and therefore dresses for every game, whereas McMahon would be active for a game only if McNabb could not be because of roster requirements. Once you put a third QB in the game the first QB cannot comeback.

So again, my understanding is that McMahon is the backup QB who would start and Detmer is the emergency QB who wuld come in during the game if McNabb were hurt.

this is the credited answer

 

[JAA]

News: Eagles head coach Andy Reid says QB Donovan McNabb has a shin contusion, a very sore chest and a sore lower abdomen. He still managed to go 30 of 52 passing for 365 yards, two touchdowns and an interception vs. Oakland in Week 3. It's his second-straight week throwing for 300 yards.

Analysis: He may be hurt, but McNabb must remain in Fantasy starting lineups. He plays at Kansas City in Week 4.

And you know Sportsline is NEVAH wrong!!

 

[mlwinokur]

Ok, I was nice. Now I'm going to be a bit less nice.

Now, you asked If you should go after Manning or Culpepper after stating that you own McNabb and have offered him in a trade for Palmer....That's trade advice and should be in the AC.  Simply put, the rest of us don't really care what trade you make, and if you want advice about that it belong in the AC, where people are posting specifically because they need questions like that answered or want to answer those types of questions.

If you think you have a legit question for the Shark Pool such as "if Manning or Culpepper can rebound" you should start a thread on the topic.

What ever the case your question DOES NOT BELONG IN THIS THREAD. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT MCNABBS INJURIES.

Well it seems to me that you have a problem paying attention to detail.

Looking to offer McNabb in some trades in my keeper (TD only). Made an offer for Palmer. Not sure if I should go after Manning or even Culpepper... You guys think they both can rebould to the top tier?

Lets look at what I said: Looking to deal McNabb, offered for Palmer, not sure about McNabb/Culpepper and wondering if people thought those 2 could rebound. Now, does asking if those 2 can rebound really go into that forum? I dont think so. See, there's something called reading, and apparently you aren't very good at it. I'm surprised you follow all the posts ahead of mine so far.

Oh, and one last thing, until it says Moderator, Staff or Admin under your name, I dont have to listen to anything you say. Good luck on your power trip.

Have a nice day.

Grow up!!

 

[redman]

Great info, mlwinokur.

I do not understand how you can commit $20 million guaranteed to a QB like McNabb and then potentially risk his career by starting him when you do not even know the extent of his injury.

Everyone that watched or listened to Pennington (he said he was only 80% in week 3 of preseason, I think) in preseason KNEW that he was not 100% recovered from that surgery. It is now fairly obvious that he was rushed back at 80-85% and look at what happened.

A guy like Reid has job security and should have the guts, intelligence and concern to (and maybe he will) tell McNabb to sit for 2 game weeks and the bye and let his 3 (!) injuries heal properly.

I agree on the info. Here's the issue for Reid, IMHO. That team is built to win NOW. I figure TO is gone after this year. He's going to go through his contract shenanigans again this offseason and they'll dump him. He was also on the team when they made their only Super Bowl trip. Westbrook isn't signed past this year. I think that team's window of success - meaning their optimum ability as a team to play strong football is closing. Reid may not feel that they can afford to "lose" a season by conceding a serious injury to McNabb.

Mind you, I'm not defending him, just hypothesizing about what we all might be seeing.

 

[mlwinokur]

I read these two columns today.  Basically why McNabb shouldn't play.

Can you show me the column that says "Tests show McNabb has a Sports Hernia"? All reports I have heard and read say tests were inconclusive. Playing @ KC next week is an excellent opportunity for a week of coach speak in an attempt to affect the Chiefs game plan.

I just posted the sports hernia information so people would know what it is.You are right there is no such article saying "Tests show McNabb has a Sports Hernia"...so far all tests were "inconclusive" as you say.

But something smells fishy here...

It just seems like Reid is hiding something. Maybe you're right; maybe he is trying to affect the Chiefs game plan. But how? Is he hiding the extent of McNabb's injury to force the Chiefs to prepare for McNabb when they will really be facing Detmer or McMahon? Or is he creating questions regarding McNabb's injuries to make the Chiefs think they are preparing for a McNabb who isn't 100% when he really is? My guess would be the former.

I think Phil Sheridan is right...there is definately a "fog of war" here.

 

[Jason Wood]

Well, I'm down in FLA on vacation hence the absence from this thread. Obviously I'm sickened because any way you slice it, McNabb is hurting and now we (meaning Eagles fans) have to hope that a) McNabb's injury really isn't a sports hernia and b) he's able to play effectively through the pain. Certainly I agree that if there's ANY chance playing now could impact his long-term playing future, he should sit. That said, from what I understand of the injury, that is not the case. It's essentially a situation whereby Donny Mac is going to have to pull a "Steve McNair" and be Questionable each and every week but ultimately gut it out and play.

 

[mlwinokur]

Correct me if I'm wrong but McNabb had the same injury on Sunday and Reid and McNabb were okay with 52 passes, 365 yards and two TD's.  No hernia has been found.  Unless that changes, I just hope I'm in a league with a McNabb owner who reads this hysteria and wants to dump him fast, along with TO and Westbrook and everyone else.

  McNabb doesn't seem likely to run a whole lot for the foreseeable future.  Beyond that this is a non-story being exploited by unimaginative columnists and hysterical fantasy football overreactors to pass the time between Sundays.

52 pass attempts is a career high for McNabb, btw. I think Reid's play-calling needs to be seriously called into question.

This thread is an INSTANT CLASSIC!!

Where is Pickles?

Are you mocking me? Explain yourself.

 

[JAA]

Correct me if I'm wrong but McNabb had the same injury on Sunday and Reid and McNabb were okay with 52 passes, 365 yards and two TD's.  No hernia has been found.  Unless that changes, I just hope I'm in a league with a McNabb owner who reads this hysteria and wants to dump him fast, along with TO and Westbrook and everyone else.

  McNabb doesn't seem likely to run a whole lot for the foreseeable future.  Beyond that this is a non-story being exploited by unimaginative columnists and hysterical fantasy football overreactors to pass the time between Sundays.

52 pass attempts is a career high for McNabb, btw. I think Reid's play-calling needs to be seriously called into question.

This thread is an INSTANT CLASSIC!!

Where is Pickles?

Are you mocking me? Explain yourself.

Im mocking you because you think Reid's play-calling needs to be called into question, let alone "seriously" called into question.

 

[Leroy's Aces]

First of all, the info I provided was an email update from DraftSharks that was 1 day prior to Henry's suspension. As I stated before, I apologize that I did not test his piss before posting an update. I also started him in my WCOFF league, so was I trying to mislead? NO, obviously not. The second was a link to a NEWSPAPER article on Fantas Guru's web site! How is that bunk? REID SAID THAT MCNABB MAY GET A SECOND OPINION! So Reid's quote is bunk!? That was not posted before and then you call it out. It is new info that a couple of people thanked me for providing. Look, I never bragged about my fantasy records and unlike you, I do not have a huge ego, and do not insult others on message boards. When I said I had Collins, I meant I have a QB that is not currently hurt, so I do not need to make a decision like you. This McNabb injury seems to be affecting you too much, because it seems like you have a real problem with me saying that one could think possibly consider trading McNabb due to McNabb being hurt. So, because your QB is injured, you have a huge problem with someone who provides information and yes, advice for people who are wondering what to do with an injured QB that still has value. I am willing to make sig bet with you. As I clearly stated, I do not even use my sig, so why in the hell would I care if you won some sig bet? You are the one with the giant message board ego, that calls out people and tries to belittle them.So fine, big man, I will bet you that Kerry Collins outperforms Donovan McNabb for the rest of the season. I will bet this with you, even though I do not necessarily believe, nor care, nor did I ever state that I thought that it was the case.Oh, boy, I sure hope I do not lose this bet, because I may have to put something that says "McNabb is great and did not get injured further." or maybe "Henry did not outperform Chris Brown, even though I did not examine his piss prior to posting that he would play a lot on Sunday."

 

[JAA]

Great info, mlwinokur.

I do not understand how you can commit $20 million guaranteed to a QB like McNabb and then potentially risk his career by starting him when you do not even know the extent of his injury. 

Everyone that watched or listened to Pennington (he said he was only 80% in week 3 of preseason, I think) in preseason KNEW that he was not 100% recovered from that surgery.  It is now fairly obvious that he was rushed back at 80-85% and look at what happened.

A guy like Reid has job security and should have the guts, intelligence and concern to (and maybe he will) tell McNabb to sit for 2 game weeks and the bye and let his 3 (!) injuries heal properly.

I agree on the info. Here's the issue for Reid, IMHO. That team is built to win NOW. I figure TO is gone after this year. He's going to go through his contract shenanigans again this offseason and they'll dump him. He was also on the team when they made their only Super Bowl trip. Westbrook isn't signed past this year. I think that team's window of success - meaning their optimum ability as a team to play strong football is closing. Reid may not feel that they can afford to "lose" a season by conceding a serious injury to McNabb.

Mind you, I'm not defending him, just hypothesizing about what we all might be seeing.

Ive heard for the past three season that "the team is built to win now" and "the team's window of success is closing".

 

[JAA]

I read these two columns today.  Basically why McNabb shouldn't play.

Can you show me the column that says "Tests show McNabb has a Sports Hernia"? All reports I have heard and read say tests were inconclusive. Playing @ KC next week is an excellent opportunity for a week of coach speak in an attempt to affect the Chiefs game plan.

I just posted the sports hernia information so people would know what it is.You are right there is no such article saying "Tests show McNabb has a Sports Hernia"...so far all tests were "inconclusive" as you say.

But something smells fishy here...

It just seems like Reid is hiding something. Maybe you're right; maybe he is trying to affect the Chiefs game plan. But how? Is he hiding the extent of McNabb's injury to force the Chiefs to prepare for McNabb when they will really be facing Detmer or McMahon? Or is he creating questions regarding McNabb's injuries to make the Chiefs think they are preparing for a McNabb who isn't 100% when he really is? My guess would be the former.

I think Phil Sheridan is right...there is definately a "fog of war" here.

The only thing fishy here is people posting only one side of the story. What I smell are veiled attempts to reduce McNabb and TO's value going forward Oh ... and I heard SJackson has cancer

 

[Leroy's Aces]

Great info, mlwinokur.

I do not understand how you can commit $20 million guaranteed to a QB like McNabb and then potentially risk his career by starting him when you do not even know the extent of his injury. 

Everyone that watched or listened to Pennington (he said he was only 80% in week 3 of preseason, I think) in preseason KNEW that he was not 100% recovered from that surgery.  It is now fairly obvious that he was rushed back at 80-85% and look at what happened.

A guy like Reid has job security and should have the guts, intelligence and concern to (and maybe he will) tell McNabb to sit for 2 game weeks and the bye and let his 3 (!) injuries heal properly.

I agree on the info. Here's the issue for Reid, IMHO. That team is built to win NOW. I figure TO is gone after this year. He's going to go through his contract shenanigans again this offseason and they'll dump him. He was also on the team when they made their only Super Bowl trip. Westbrook isn't signed past this year. I think that team's window of success - meaning their optimum ability as a team to play strong football is closing. Reid may not feel that they can afford to "lose" a season by conceding a serious injury to McNabb.

Mind you, I'm not defending him, just hypothesizing about what we all might be seeing.

All very good points and it really does appear that way, based on how they are "playing out the situation." It is too bad, if they could keep TO, McNabb and Westbrook, that nucleus is practically unstoppable.

 

[Eagle Eye]

I read these two columns today.  Basically why McNabb shouldn't play.

Can you show me the column that says "Tests show McNabb has a Sports Hernia"? All reports I have heard and read say tests were inconclusive. Playing @ KC next week is an excellent opportunity for a week of coach speak in an attempt to affect the Chiefs game plan.

I just posted the sports hernia information so people would know what it is.You are right there is no such article saying "Tests show McNabb has a Sports Hernia"...so far all tests were "inconclusive" as you say.

But something smells fishy here...

It just seems like Reid is hiding something. Maybe you're right; maybe he is trying to affect the Chiefs game plan. But how? Is he hiding the extent of McNabb's injury to force the Chiefs to prepare for McNabb when they will really be facing Detmer or McMahon? Or is he creating questions regarding McNabb's injuries to make the Chiefs think they are preparing for a McNabb who isn't 100% when he really is? My guess would be the former.

I think Phil Sheridan is right...there is definately a "fog of war" here.

The only thing fishy here is people posting only one side of the story. What I smell are veiled attempts to reduce McNabb and TO's value going forward Oh ... and I heard SJackson has cancer

The Eagles still say that Akers is "unlikely" to play this weekend. It took a couple weeks after Buckhalter blew his knee out again this pre-season till we got the truth. Tests were "inconclusive" at the time. McNabb's hernia is now inconclusive, whaddyaknow. I don't know what's gonna happen here but there is reason to be concerned. People trying to reduce TO/McNabb's value....now there's an INSTANT CLASSIC.

 

[glumpy]

When might we hear about that 'second opinion'?

With all the QB's hurt this week my waiver wire is looking lively and since I'm covered I'm actually thinking maybe to make a pitch for McNabb....

 

[mlwinokur]

Correct me if I'm wrong but McNabb had the same injury on Sunday and Reid and McNabb were okay with 52 passes, 365 yards and two TD's.  No hernia has been found.  Unless that changes, I just hope I'm in a league with a McNabb owner who reads this hysteria and wants to dump him fast, along with TO and Westbrook and everyone else.

  McNabb doesn't seem likely to run a whole lot for the foreseeable future.  Beyond that this is a non-story being exploited by unimaginative columnists and hysterical fantasy football overreactors to pass the time between Sundays.

52 pass attempts is a career high for McNabb, btw. I think Reid's play-calling needs to be seriously called into question.

This thread is an INSTANT CLASSIC!!

Where is Pickles?

Are you mocking me? Explain yourself.

Im mocking you because you think Reid's play-calling needs to be called into question, let alone "seriously" called into question.

Maybe it's just me, but...I think Andy Reid has had game-management and play-calling issues throughout his tenure as the Eagles head coach. But, I'll stick to last week:

How do you call on your QB to drop back and pass a career high 52 times (7th most in franchise history) when he is suffering from a multitude of injuries. The run/pass ratio is normally pretty questionable, but especially last week when you should be protecting your franchise QB and your 20-13 lead you should at least TRY to run the football. Look, I understand this is a pass-first offence, but if ever there was a time to try to run the football a little more it was last week. Instead Reid went the complete other direction and had Mcnabb throw the most passes for an Eagle since Randle Cunningham attempted 62 passes in 1989.