McNabb to be cut after this season (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

One little complication though to this theory, Reid is the GM and if he loves him so much who's gonna release McNabb?

there's a lot of GMs who make moves they don't want to make... especially when they're a slash (/coach in this example)and like i said earlier - maybe Reid feels that it wouldn't help any at this point to get on McNabb and that he needs to start over fresh with a new QB... i believe trotter was in a similar boat...

It will never happen, McNabb is BY FAR the best player on the team. Ya, he may be a prima dona but if every prima dona were cut there would be a lot of out of work players.

A guy by the name of Brian Westbrook might say otherwise.

What the Eagles need is Vince Papale.

 

[Snotbubbles]

First off, has anyone checked McNabb's contract situation? I could be wrong, but it was my understanding that for the Eagles to cut or trade him this season or next, they'd take a pretty significant cap hit. That's why they were originally saying Kolb was, at the very least, two years away.

Second, the only way McNabb is not here next season is if the Eagles fall apart (like 5-11 bad) and in that case, you may see Andy Reid gone as well.

The bottom line is that as long as the front office and the head coach perceive this as a playoff team and a Super Bowl contender (and they still do, even after the 0-2 start), McNabb is here to stay.

The only way Kolb ever sees time is a McNabb injury, or the team officially goes into rebuilding mode.

And don't trust WIP reports. It's the most ridiculous cesspool of misinformation around. They spent all day talking about how McNabb 'called the media and the fans racist.' It's like they didn't even watch the interview.

Accordin to a salary cap site maintained by a fan, McNabb has 6.6 Mil in unamortized bonus.If they kept him in '08, he'd be a 9 Mil hit.

http://www.geocities.com/eaglescap/

Looking at those numbers Jevon Kearse is a goner after this season.

 

[delusional]

Kearse gone is a given. Won't be surprised to see (DE)Howard and the money drain in McDougle out of here.

 

[Pocket Joker]

How are they paying Curtis all that money, but they wouldn't keep Stallworth?!?!?!?

 

[Banger]

How are they paying Curtis all that money, but they wouldn't keep Stallworth?!?!?!?

How well do you think Stallworth would have done these two games with McNabb playing the way he is?

 

[B-Deep]

Why would everyone think mcnabb would go to Chicaco just because he was born there? that makes 0 sense. IF he is cut then he will go wherever offers him the most $$$$$.

Agent: "Donovan, the bears have offered you 4 mil but the packers have offered you 6, where would you like to go"

Donovan: "Well duh, I was born in Chicago!"

does anyone REALLY see that conversation happening?

How many NFL quarterbacks are playing in the city they are from?

 

[TitusIII]

Why would everyone think mcnabb would go to Chicaco just because he was born there? that makes 0 sense. IF he is cut then he will go wherever offers him the most $$$$$.

Possibly, but if he wants play in his hometown, you can bet he would take a slight discount...nothing drastic of course...Quality of life(he may hate Wisconsin) could be important to him...

 

[B-Deep]

Why would everyone think mcnabb would go to Chicaco just because he was born there? that makes 0 sense. IF he is cut then he will go wherever offers him the most $$$$$.

Possibly, but if he wants play in his hometown, you can bet he would take a slight discount...nothing drastic of course...Quality of life(he may hate Wisconsin) could be important to him...

Sunshine and a seacoast may be important too...who knows. Odds are he goes with the money though.

 

[RudeDog]

One little complication though to this theory, Reid is the GM and if he loves him so much who's gonna release McNabb?

there's a lot of GMs who make moves they don't want to make... especially when they're a slash (/coach in this example)and like i said earlier - maybe Reid feels that it wouldn't help any at this point to get on McNabb and that he needs to start over fresh with a new QB... i believe trotter was in a similar boat...

It will never happen, McNabb is BY FAR the best player on the team. Ya, he may be a prima dona but if every prima dona were cut there would be a lot of out of work players.

A guy by the name of Brian Westbrook might say otherwise.

So would any Eagles' fan. No coincidence they made their run last year when he became the focal point of the offense.

Actually, I think they made their run last year when McNabb got injured and Garcia took over.

 

[JaxBill]

How are they paying Curtis all that money, but they wouldn't keep Stallworth?!?!?!?

Among other reasons, Curtis isn't in the league substance program.

 

[Bender]

How are they paying Curtis all that money, but they wouldn't keep Stallworth?!?!?!? :X :X

How well do you think Stallworth would have done these two games with McNabb playing the way he is?

Stallworth is actually a better fit, but he has to many health and off the field questions. People seem to forget that the Eagles almost always look awful to start a season. Not that they start 0-2 every season (which they don't), but they always look out of rhythm and underperform, especially offensively, the first couple weeks. This week should be a decent barometer of the team...if they can't score against Detroit, then they're screwed.

 

[turleyfan]

Why would everyone think mcnabb would go to Chicaco just because he was born there? that makes 0 sense. IF he is cut then he will go wherever offers him the most $$$$$.Agent: "Donovan, the bears have offered you 4 mil but the packers have offered you 6, where would you like to go"Donovan: "Well duh, I was born in Chicago!"does anyone REALLY see that conversation happening?How many NFL quarterbacks are playing in the city they are from?

Well, this is a business decision, and from that standpoint, you are 100% correct. I think those who are trumpeting the "He's from Chicago" angle are doing to out of a sense of, I don't know, poetic balance or something. Just seems right. Which of course is irrelevant.On the other hand, if you are a starting QB, and you have some game left, why would you NOT want to come to Chicago? If you take this team to a SB Trophy, you will own this town. Ask Jim McMahon.

 

[kensat30]

I can't wait for McNabb to get the #### out of Philly - they don't deserve him.

Agree. I hate Philly fans.

 

[kensat30]

Why would everyone think mcnabb would go to Chicaco just because he was born there? that makes 0 sense. IF he is cut then he will go wherever offers him the most $$$$$.Agent: "Donovan, the bears have offered you 4 mil but the packers have offered you 6, where would you like to go"Donovan: "Well duh, I was born in Chicago!"does anyone REALLY see that conversation happening?How many NFL quarterbacks are playing in the city they are from?

Maybe he actually wants to win a Super Bowl?

 

[dirtywaters20]

I can't wait for McNabb to get the #### out of Philly - they don't deserve him.

Agree. I hate Philly fans.

Right and we're the ones with no class

 

[saintfool]

How are they paying Curtis all that money, but they wouldn't keep Stallworth?!?!?!?

How well do you think Stallworth would have done these two games with McNabb playing the way he is?

Stallworth is actually a better fit, but he has to many health and off the field questions. People seem to forget that the Eagles almost always look awful to start a season. Not that they start 0-2 every season (which they don't), but they always look out of rhythm and underperform, especially offensively, the first couple weeks.

This week should be a decent barometer of the team...if they can't score against Detroit, then they're screwed.

2006 season

Week | Opponent | Result | Score |

+--------+-------------------------------+----------+---------+

| 1 | at Houston Texans | W | 24-10 |

| 2 | New York Giants | L | 24-30 |

| 3 | at San Francisco 49ers | W | 38-24 |

| 4 | Green Bay Packers | W | 31- 9 |

| 5 | Dallas Cowboys | W | 38-24 |

2005 season

---------+----------+---------+

| 1 | at Atlanta Falcons | L | 10-14 |

| 2 | San Francisco 49ers | W | 42- 3 |

| 3 | Oakland Raiders | W | 23-20 |

| 4 | at Kansas City Chiefs | W | 37-31 |

| 5 | at Dallas Cowboys | L | 10-33

2004 season

------+-------------------------------+----------+---------+

| 1 | New York Giants | W | 31-17 |

| 2 | Minnesota Vikings | W | 27-16 |

| 3 | at Detroit Lions | W | 30-13 |

| 4 | at Chicago Bears | W | 19- 9 |

| 5 | |

| 6 | Carolina Panthers | W | 30- 8 |

| 7 | at Cleveland Browns | W | 34-31 |

| 8 | Baltimore Ravens | W | 15-10 |

now, there always seems to be drama with the Eagles. However, they have been really pretty good - especially on offense - over the past few years.

 

[IM666]

Why would everyone think mcnabb would go to Chicaco just because he was born there? that makes 0 sense. IF he is cut then he will go wherever offers him the most $$$$$.Agent: "Donovan, the bears have offered you 4 mil but the packers have offered you 6, where would you like to go"Donovan: "Well duh, I was born in Chicago!"does anyone REALLY see that conversation happening?How many NFL quarterbacks are playing in the city they are from?

Maybe he actually wants to win a Super Bowl?

I really think it comes down to the person regarding signing for money vs. other preference. For example, you indicated he may take a cut in pay in order increase his chances of going the Super Bowl (or at least that is how I interpreted your response to the poster). However, the neon sign of an example against this is E. James. Again, this speculation is very broad. I don't know McNabb, I don’t know what his priorities are, and I don't know what his goals are. This is the NFL, not Fantasy Football. What may seem obvious to us is not the case for the most part. Would the Eagles cut the QB that got them to the Super Bowl? Would McNabb leave the organization on his own? I don't have the answers. Neither does anyone else. Reporters can speculate--it's their job. Posters on message boards can discuss it--that's what they do. But how much is truth vs. bias opinion?

 

[Pip's Invitation]

This is really a silly thing to even discuss. If the Eagles make the playoffs and McNabb stays healthy, they absolutely won't cut him. If they miss the playoffs (a distinct possibility at this juncture), I think both sides will agree it's time to make a change. Unless you have a crystal ball, proclaiming he WILL or WON'T is just absurd.

the only way I could see McNabb being cut, is because of salary cap issues. Sal Paolantonio ( spelling?) hinted about that ,shortly after the NFL Draft in April. He mentioned the Eagles have a history of not paying their best player, preferring instead , to just let them walk..the drafting of Kolb in round two, is a red herring..

Only if they're on the downside of their career and are asking for more than what they're worth.They paid Westbrook. They paid Dawkins. They paid Akers. They paid Thomas and Runyan.

Whether this applies to McNabb will depend on how he plays the rest of the season.

 

[Tong Po]

For the record, they will go 0-3 after sundays game. I don't see them being able to beat the lions...

Exactly. Besides, who knows when Westbrook will be back, if at all? The Eagles season is over. They need to dump ot trade McNabb and go in a new direction, there is no reason to wallow through a lousy 2007 season by doing the same stuff that wasn't good enough to get them over the top in year's past. They need to start over at this very moment. Use this season to find out what young guys can play, that way they can focus on filling the holes in the off season..

That's funny. That's what everyone was saying last year when Mcnabb went down for the year. Then we all watched Jeff Garcia carry the team into the 2nd round of the playoffs. This team always seems to find a way to rally together and string together wins.How are you gonna sit there and say the Eagles are DONE after 2 games? So I guess the Saints and the Rams are done? I mean they are 0-2, so I guess we should stick a fork in them too? Ridiculous.

 

[redman]

Something is going right with him. Thats for sure. I just read comments from Vince Young & Jason Campbell when they were asked about McNabbs comments. They both said you have to be thick skinned to play QB period. They didn't feel it was a race thing at all.

That isn't a correct summary of what Jason Campbell said. Link to what he said.

Quarterback Jason Campbell said he could sympathize with Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, who expressed concerns in an HBO interview over the way black quarterbacks are sometimes treated. Campbell said race has seemed to affect the way people reacted to him as a quarterback, but not for quite some time.

"Probably early on in my career, early on in college, my first year in college, people look at you differently because of that," Campbell said. "They expect a lot more. You have to do a little bit extra. You feel sometimes that you have to do a little bit extra. At one point in my career I did feel that way, but I don't feel that way now that I have been in the NFL. I have before in my career feel that I have been graded differently."

McNabb's comments were directed at black NFL QB's and Jason flatly disagreed with him on that, emphasizing the "NFL" part of that. I'd say that there's disagreement there.

 

[Linton Trust]

First off, has anyone checked McNabb's contract situation? I could be wrong, but it was my understanding that for the Eagles to cut or trade him this season or next, they'd take a pretty significant cap hit. That's why they were originally saying Kolb was, at the very least, two years away. Second, the only way McNabb is not here next season is if the Eagles fall apart (like 5-11 bad) and in that case, you may see Andy Reid gone as well. The bottom line is that as long as the front office and the head coach perceive this as a playoff team and a Super Bowl contender (and they still do, even after the 0-2 start), McNabb is here to stay. The only way Kolb ever sees time is a McNabb injury, or the team officially goes into rebuilding mode. And don't trust WIP reports. It's the most ridiculous cesspool of misinformation around. They spent all day talking about how McNabb 'called the media and the fans racist.' It's like they didn't even watch the interview.

to your first question, it's my understanding that the Eagles somehow would not take any kind of cap hit after this season for cutting him... but if they don't his salary jumps up about 3 million... i'm not 100% of this, but that's what i've pieced togeather in my brain from the last 2 days of 'what's going to happen to mcnabb' talk on the radio/tv...i don't think Reid will be fired. i think he'll get a season more than mcnabb will get... i think they'll give him a season with his new QB before pulling the string... hell, possibly 2 seasons with him.Mcnabb is not here to stay... i'd be willing to put almost any amount of money i have on it... the front office/owners do not like when they tell a starplayer not to do something and he does it anyway and arrogantly says he's a grown man and can do what he wants. you're undervalueing their displeasure with his new attempt to be himself instead of a corporate guy.I listened to WIP on the ride to work, at my lunch time and on my ride home... and didn't hear one host say that Mcnabb called the fans/media racist... the morning guys weren't even covering it much, howard wasn't either... the afternoon guys were, and they both said they understood what McNabb was saying but it was terrible timing... they seemed to understand it fine... so where is that coming from? on comcast - every host on there just agreed with barkley that there are racist people in the media and who are fans; but that that wasn't what McNabb was even trying to say... so i haven't heard one host (on WIP or Comcast) on any show say what you said they said.

 

[kremenull]

Well, have any of you guys considered the possibility that McNabb wants out of Philly probably as much as, if not more than, the Eagles org wants to release him. I believe that this guy would love to go to his hometown (Bears) to have an excellent shot to win a championship. From my viewpoint 3,000 mi away, it looks as if McNabb is doing a lot of this (PR, fans unappreciative talk, etc.) to bring about an exit in the least antagonizing way. I don't think he is intentionally sandbagging on the field, ala Randy Moss in Oakland/Minny, but I honestly believe this is his way of saying "Free Me of This Burden." Philly fanatics are never satisfied, and frankly, the fact that you (Philly fan) roundly, and almost unanimously, booed him on draft day shows me that you really aren't that knowledgable of a fanbase, either. Passion is one thing, ignorance is another.

 

[kensat30]

I can't wait for McNabb to get the #### out of Philly - they don't deserve him.

Agree. I hate Philly fans.

Right and we're the ones with no class

I've been a season ticket holder for the 49ers for years now. And I get along with fans of every team except for the Eagle's and that includes the Raiders. Whenever Philly came to town ALL their fans were obnoxious sons of #!@#!s, and it was not an isolated incident. Now the chips are down, and the fanbase is already calling for their best player's head. Am I surprised? Not in the least.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I can't wait for McNabb to get the #### out of Philly - they don't deserve him.

Agree. I hate Philly fans.

Right and we're the ones with no class

I've been a season ticket holder for the 49ers for years now. And I get along with fans of every team except for the Eagle's and that includes the Raiders. Whenever Philly came to town ALL their fans were obnoxious sons of #!@#!s, and it was not an isolated incident.

Thats because you and your town SUCK !!!! :(

 

[dirtywaters20]

I can't wait for McNabb to get the #### out of Philly - they don't deserve him.

Agree. I hate Philly fans.

Right and we're the ones with no class

I've been a season ticket holder for the 49ers for years now. And I get along with fans of every team except for the Eagle's and that includes the Raiders. Whenever Philly came to town ALL their fans were obnoxious sons of #!@#!s, and it was not an isolated incident. Now the chips are down, and the fanbase is already calling for their best player's head. Am I surprised? Not in the least.

He's not their best player. Exactly how do you know what the fanbase is doing? Nevermind, you seem to like generalizing.

 

[dirtywaters20]

Well, have any of you guys considered the possibility that McNabb wants out of Philly probably as much as, if not more than, the Eagles org wants to release him. I believe that this guy would love to go to his hometown (Bears) to have an excellent shot to win a championship. From my viewpoint 3,000 mi away, it looks as if McNabb is doing a lot of this (PR, fans unappreciative talk, etc.) to bring about an exit in the least antagonizing way. I don't think he is intentionally sandbagging on the field, ala Randy Moss in Oakland/Minny, but I honestly believe this is his way of saying "Free Me of This Burden." Philly fanatics are never satisfied, and frankly, the fact that you (Philly fan) roundly, and almost unanimously, booed him on draft day shows me that you really aren't that knowledgable of a fanbase, either. Passion is one thing, ignorance is another.

You do realize it was 30 people that went up on a bus organized by a local radio personality right? You sure have a strong (& misinformed) opinion for someone 3000 miles away.

 

[atcdav]

McNabb to the Bears and Rex to Philly....Go Bears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mcnabbmcnow]

My take is that it's WIP. Basically I trust almost nothing they report - and it really almost doesn't matter who reports it.Yes, they have some guys who get good info sometimes, but on the whole, rumormongering and speculation to show off their inside contacts and rile up callers are the order of business.

True, but Cobb accurately predicted Jeremiah Trotter and Jabar Gaffney being cut, when no one else did.

 

[LGOA]

Few people seem to want to admit it,but it sure seems to me that Donovan'sbest days are behind him.

At first I thought you might have written a haiku there....

 

[3nOut]

Why would everyone think mcnabb would go to Chicaco just because he was born there? that makes 0 sense. IF he is cut then he will go wherever offers him the most $$$$$.Agent: "Donovan, the bears have offered you 4 mil but the packers have offered you 6, where would you like to go"Donovan: "Well duh, I was born in Chicago!"does anyone REALLY see that conversation happening?How many NFL quarterbacks are playing in the city they are from?

Maybe he actually wants to win a Super Bowl?

And would it be easier to follow Favre's shoes (and you're assuming he retires) or Grossman's? I think a lot has to do with the situation. IF Grossman is out (that means he had a bad year), Chicago is an ideal situation wher he can come in and be considered an upgrade, and "come home", and still win a Superbowl.

 

[delusional]

I wouldnt take what gcobb says seriously...most of his articles are some dribble from what he THINKS.

 

[NatronIsMean]

I would love for him to go to the Seahawks......Eagle fans need to lighten up on him. ALthough he will probably go to the Bears and they will then win the Super Bowl.

AMEN!! He's a Chicago product and we want him back! PLEASE, Philadelphia, kick him out!BTW, congrats to Philly fans for being known as the worst and most ungrateful on the planet.

 

[Linton Trust]

I wouldnt take what gcobb says seriously...most of his articles are some dribble from what he THINKS.

does it matter that Sal Paolantonio said basic ally the same thing on comcast yesturday?

 

[dirtywaters20]

I wouldnt take what gcobb says seriously...most of his articles are some dribble from what he THINKS.

does it matter that Sal Paolantonio said basic ally the same thing on comcast yesturday?

No actually it means even less. Sal has zero connections. I'll never forget when he was positive the Eagles were going to take Stepfret Williams with their first pick. Keep fishin Sal.

 

[dirtywaters20]

I would love for him to go to the Seahawks......Eagle fans need to lighten up on him. ALthough he will probably go to the Bears and they will then win the Super Bowl.

AMEN!! He's a Chicago product and we want him back! PLEASE, Philadelphia, kick him out!BTW, congrats to Philly fans for being known as the worst and most ungrateful on the planet.

Yeah McNabb should hurry back to Dalton. Maybe his nice neighbors there can piss on his carpets and spray paint some more racial slurs on his walls. Enjoy Rex chump.

 

[faulkfan]

Gary Cobb was on WIP this morning. He said two things about McNabb:

1) That the players in the locker room do not rally behind him because Andy Reid treats him like a fortunate son. Apparently players in the locker room have expressed their anger towards the fact that everyone on the team gets lectured and called out in practice EXCEPT McNabb, who some said they had never seen Reid talk down on in any way.

2) According to several people within the Eagles organization that Cobb has contact with - McNabb most likely will be cut at the end of this season. Besides the players and fans beginning to turn on him - he's also began to be his own PR man and ignore the Eagles request to only do interviews they approve of. His outright disregard for their attempts to get him to be more of a company player has infuriated many of the Eagles brass.

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My take: Cobb is reliable and well respected among the philadelphia sports community. If he's willing to go on WIP and say something like 'McNabb WILL be cut after this season' then i imagine that he's heard that from a pretty important person(s). However, he could be used as a pawn to motivate McNabb, but given McNabbs history of over-trying in situations where he's being motivated - i can't imagine they'd risk making him even more mad.

So i guess this could mean there's a chance McNabb gets benched later in the season, especially if they're out of the playoff hunt.

Take it as you want...

These seem like a contradiction to me. It sounds like the players are upset because he is too much of a company man and the team is upset that he isn't more of one. I think is sounds sketchy at best.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Well, have any of you guys considered the possibility that McNabb wants out of Philly probably as much as, if not more than, the Eagles org wants to release him. I believe that this guy would love to go to his hometown (Bears) to have an excellent shot to win a championship. From my viewpoint 3,000 mi away, it looks as if McNabb is doing a lot of this (PR, fans unappreciative talk, etc.) to bring about an exit in the least antagonizing way. I don't think he is intentionally sandbagging on the field, ala Randy Moss in Oakland/Minny, but I honestly believe this is his way of saying "Free Me of This Burden."

Couldn't disagree with this more. There are few (if any) player's who would perform poorly on purpose to leave a team. No one wants to be remembered like that.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Ever since he botched the Owens fiasco, Reid's looked worse and worse.

An ego-driven move that ended up hurting the team in spectacular fashion.

 

[mad sweeney]

Well, have any of you guys considered the possibility that McNabb wants out of Philly probably as much as, if not more than, the Eagles org wants to release him. I believe that this guy would love to go to his hometown (Bears) to have an excellent shot to win a championship. From my viewpoint 3,000 mi away, it looks as if McNabb is doing a lot of this (PR, fans unappreciative talk, etc.) to bring about an exit in the least antagonizing way. I don't think he is intentionally sandbagging on the field, ala Randy Moss in Oakland/Minny, but I honestly believe this is his way of saying "Free Me of This Burden."

Couldn't disagree with this more. There are few (if any) player's who would perform poorly on purpose to leave a team. No one wants to be remembered like that.

I don't think he's questioning McNabb's performance, just the politics surrounding him.

 

[JerseyEagles]