Measuring Quarterback Value (1 Viewer)

[Jeff Pasquino]

Enjoy.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2011/11pasquino_qbv.php

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Very well done Jeff. I like it and I really appreciate someone not just taking on the QBR with talk, but with action.

 

[Captain Hook]

Well I certainly prefer the immediacy and simplicity of the Pasquino rating over the Dilfer rating

That said it would be better if you removed

1) any field goal where the quarterback did not complete a pass on that possession

2) any touchdown run where a quarterback did not complete a pass on that possession

I think the reasons are obvious on both

 

[Mark Wimer]

I like that the range is open-ended both at the top end and also at the bottom end (and negative scores are possible).

This way, we can measure the absolute best and absolute worst performances of say, (for argument's sake) the last decade, and have a relative measure of greatness and awfulness.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Well I certainly prefer the immediacy and simplicity of the Pasquino rating over the Dilfer ratingThat said it would be better if you removed1) any field goal where the quarterback did not complete a pass on that possession2) any touchdown run where a quarterback did not complete a pass on that possessionI think the reasons are obvious on both

I assume you mean any touchdown run where a person other than the QB scores the TD and when the QB didn't complete a pass on that particular possession. I agree that that makes sense - if Jahvid Best busts an 80-yard TD run from 1st-and-20 then the QB simply made a good hand-off but didn't really drive the team down the field...

 

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Jon Kitna.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Well I certainly prefer the immediacy and simplicity of the Pasquino rating over the Dilfer ratingThat said it would be better if you removed1) any field goal where the quarterback did not complete a pass on that possession2) any touchdown run where a quarterback did not complete a pass on that possessionI think the reasons are obvious on both

I assume you mean any touchdown run where a person other than the QB scores the TD and when the QB didn't complete a pass on that particular possession. I agree that that makes sense - if Jahvid Best busts an 80-yard TD run from 1st-and-20 then the QB simply made a good hand-off but didn't really drive the team down the field...

However, that 80-yard run might have been caused by the QB correctly analyzing the defense and calling an audible to take advantage of it.

 

[FLY IGGLES FLY]

That's some pretty great stuff. No doubt a lot of hard work and thought went into that.

The first thing that popped into my mind is why some sort of adjustment isn't made for percentage of total passing yards vs. rushing yards. My thinking here is to properly reward a QB who orchestrates an 80 yard drive consisting of mostly passing yards but ends with a RB punching it in from 2 or 3 yards out. This would also properly devalue a "game manager" QB on a predominantly running team, while properly raising the value of a QB who successfully runs a passing attack offense.

I certainly don't mean to be critical here, I'm just wondering if something along these lines was considered (I'm guessing it was) and if so why it was decided against.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Well I certainly prefer the immediacy and simplicity of the Pasquino rating over the Dilfer ratingThat said it would be better if you removed1) any field goal where the quarterback did not complete a pass on that possession2) any touchdown run where a quarterback did not complete a pass on that possessionI think the reasons are obvious on both

I assume you mean any touchdown run where a person other than the QB scores the TD and when the QB didn't complete a pass on that particular possession. I agree that that makes sense - if Jahvid Best busts an 80-yard TD run from 1st-and-20 then the QB simply made a good hand-off but didn't really drive the team down the field...

However, that 80-yard run might have been caused by the QB correctly analyzing the defense and calling an audible to take advantage of it.

That's part of the logic to not glossing over it. If the play had been something else and the QB checked into a draw because the defense was wide open up the gut, he should get some credit for going to that play. (Or if that was the call and he didn't check out of it).No system is perfect here, but I like the overall simplicity of it - and it really seems to work.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

That's some pretty great stuff. No doubt a lot of hard work and thought went into that. The first thing that popped into my mind is why some sort of adjustment isn't made for percentage of total passing yards vs. rushing yards. My thinking here is to properly reward a QB who orchestrates an 80 yard drive consisting of mostly passing yards but ends with a RB punching it in from 2 or 3 yards out. This would also properly devalue a "game manager" QB on a predominantly running team, while properly raising the value of a QB who successfully runs a passing attack offense. I certainly don't mean to be critical here, I'm just wondering if something along these lines was considered (I'm guessing it was) and if so why it was decided against.

Simplicity for one, but your point is valid - yet still covered by the math. Since passes for a first down are worth +1 whereas a first down achieved in the ground game (not him running) is worth zero, a passing QB gets more credit than a game managing QB in a run-first offense.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Thanks for the great replies and comments so far