Meltdown in Japan's Reactors (1 Viewer)

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

If 10 city blocks in Philly burn down, and people claim the whole city's on fire, are you really going to jump on the few people who point out that it's not the whole city, that it's ONLY a few blocks? Are those people REALLY under-selling the problem when most people are jumping on the "the city's burning" bandwagon as espoused by a media with a clear agenda?

I can see how people might do some "irrational" jumping if they'd been told for decades that a fire in Philadelphia is impossible. And in the event that an impossible fire did happen there was a backup system in place that would immediately extinguish the impossible fire. And even in the event that the backup system failed to extinguish the impossible fire there was a second backup system in place that would make things right.And they might feel that way if, when there actually was an impossible fire that wasn't extinguished by either backup system, they were told that it was a minor fire - contained to a small shed. Except that day after day the houses up and down the street were seen smoking and then bursting into flame and the same people who originally told them a fire was impossible were now saying there was no threat to the city of Philadelphia.

Yeah - I can see that.

 

[renesauz]

If 10 city blocks in Philly burn down, and people claim the whole city's on fire, are you really going to jump on the few people who point out that it's not the whole city, that it's ONLY a few blocks? Are those people REALLY under-selling the problem when most people are jumping on the "the city's burning" bandwagon as espoused by a media with a clear agenda?

I can see how people might do some "irrational" jumping if they'd been told for decades that a fire in Philadelphia is impossible. And in the event that an impossible fire did happen there was a backup system in place that would immediately extinguish the impossible fire. And even in the event that the backup system failed to extinguish the impossible fire there was a second backup system in place that would make things right.And they might feel that way if, when there actually was an impossible fire that wasn't extinguished by either backup system, they were told that it was a minor fire - contained to a small shed. Except that day after day the houses up and down the street were seen smoking and then bursting into flame and the same people who originally told them a fire was impossible were now saying there was no threat to the city of Philadelphia.

Yeah - I can see that.

I can see the questions, even the doubts. BUt the truth is that over 20,000 people are dead from the quake and tsunami. 100k or more are homeless. Yet, this incident dominates the news and talk radio. It dominates our attention to the detriment of the infinitely more serious problems. No matter how scary you find "radiation", that's just sad. It goes beyond absurd, beyond irrational.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Update?

 

[Otis]

Update?

Still here.

 

[3C's]

Update?

Another attempt (3rd I think) to stop the leak of radioactive water. Headline: Leak at Fukushima appears to be lessening :fingerscrossed:

 

[jamny]

Spoke to another freelancer I work with on occasion. He's an audio tech for a touring band and was in Japan during the quake. He was on a train and the quake hit as the train was in a tunnel in a mountain. They lost power and sat in darkness for a couple of hours and even after power was restored they sat for another 4 hours as the tracks were examined for damage. They were about 100 miles away but the train was shaking a lot. All the guys he was with were freaking out but the locals didn't even seem to be phazed a bit. Much crazier hearing him tell it obviously.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Update?

Another attempt (3rd I think) to stop the leak of radioactive water. Headline: Leak at Fukushima appears to be lessening :fingerscrossed:

Radiation in water rushing into sea tests millions of times over limit

 

[David Dodds]

Japan's ocean radiation hits 7.5 million times legal limit

http://www.latimes.c...0,2697428.story

The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear plant said Tuesday that it had found radioactive iodine at 7.5 million times the legal limit in a seawater sample taken near the facility, and government officials imposed a new health limit for radioactivity in fish.

The reading of iodine-131 was recorded Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Another sample taken Monday found the level to be 5 million times the legal limit. The Monday samples also were found to contain radioactive cesium at 1.1 million times the legal limit.

 

[3C's]

Update?

Another attempt (3rd I think) to stop the leak of radioactive water. Headline: Leak at Fukushima appears to be lessening :fingerscrossed:

Radiation in water rushing into sea tests millions of times over limit

But at this time the radiation levels are dropping.

 

[3C's]

Update?

Another attempt (3rd I think) to stop the leak of radioactive water. Headline: Leak at Fukushima appears to be lessening :fingerscrossed:

Radiation in water rushing into sea tests millions of times over limit

Feeling good about the decision to avoid fish for the foreseeable future. Nuts to me that you can fish within 12 miles of that plant! No tracing where the fish have been that you're eating and their level of exposure.

You're worried about something that may not exist but not worried about what does (mercury)?

 

[David Dodds]

Japan's ocean radiation hits 7.5 million times legal limit

http://www.latimes.c...0,2697428.story

The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear plant said Tuesday that it had found radioactive iodine at 7.5 million times the legal limit in a seawater sample taken near the facility, and government officials imposed a new health limit for radioactivity in fish.

The reading of iodine-131 was recorded Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Another sample taken Monday found the level to be 5 million times the legal limit. The Monday samples also were found to contain radioactive cesium at 1.1 million times the legal limit.

Remember that reading that TEPCO said was 10 million times the legal limit from the pools that was later reduced to 100,000 times the limit (when that info was inducing panic)? They stated they incorrectly read the measurement. Some of us "tin-foil" hat guys thought this "new" reading was beyond suspicion because the reading was reported by TEPCO and allowed to be in the news for multiple hours before it was pulled back (and as people were freaking out about what it meant). Changing the reading also allowed TEPCO to dump this highly radioactive material directly into the ocean.

 

[Fennis]

Update?

Another attempt (3rd I think) to stop the leak of radioactive water. Headline: Leak at Fukushima appears to be lessening :fingerscrossed:

Radiation in water rushing into sea tests millions of times over limit

Feeling good about the decision to avoid fish for the foreseeable future. Nuts to me that you can fish within 12 miles of that plant! No tracing where the fish have been that you're eating and their level of exposure.

You're worried about something that may not exist but not worried about what does (mercury)?

Anyway Japan just raised the level of what is now safe for fish. cesium, sh-mesium.

 

[3C's]

Update?

Another attempt (3rd I think) to stop the leak of radioactive water. Headline: Leak at Fukushima appears to be lessening :fingerscrossed:

Radiation in water rushing into sea tests millions of times over limit

Feeling good about the decision to avoid fish for the foreseeable future. Nuts to me that you can fish within 12 miles of that plant! No tracing where the fish have been that you're eating and their level of exposure.

You're worried about something that may not exist but not worried about what does (mercury)?

Anyway Japan just raised the level of what is now safe for fish. cesium, sh-mesium.

All of our fish comes from NE Japan? I did not know that.

 

[3C's]

http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/03/24/appetite-for-japanese-seafood-remains-undampened/

 

[culdeus]

What HamThreat level are we up to here?

 

[Fennis]

http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/03/24/appetite-for-japanese-seafood-remains-undampened/

enjoy!

 

[3C's]

http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/03/24/appetite-for-japanese-seafood-remains-undampened/

enjoy!

not really a sushi fan. I'll take a couple pounds of some fresh Gulf shrimp though.

 

[bueno]

Japan's ocean radiation hits 7.5 million times legal limit

http://www.latimes.c...0,2697428.story

The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear plant said Tuesday that it had found radioactive iodine at 7.5 million times the legal limit in a seawater sample taken near the facility, and government officials imposed a new health limit for radioactivity in fish.

The reading of iodine-131 was recorded Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Another sample taken Monday found the level to be 5 million times the legal limit. The Monday samples also were found to contain radioactive cesium at 1.1 million times the legal limit.

Remember that reading that TEPCO said was 10 million times the legal limit from the pools that was later reduced to 100,000 times the limit (when that info was inducing panic)? They stated they incorrectly read the measurement. Some of us "tin-foil" hat guys thought this "new" reading was beyond suspicion because the reading was reported by TEPCO and allowed to be in the news for multiple hours before it was pulled back (and as people were freaking out about what it meant). Changing the reading also allowed TEPCO to dump this highly radioactive material directly into the ocean.

Allowed? Really?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Japan's ocean radiation hits 7.5 million times legal limit

http://www.latimes.c...0,2697428.story

The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear plant said Tuesday that it had found radioactive iodine at 7.5 million times the legal limit in a seawater sample taken near the facility, and government officials imposed a new health limit for radioactivity in fish.

The reading of iodine-131 was recorded Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Another sample taken Monday found the level to be 5 million times the legal limit. The Monday samples also were found to contain radioactive cesium at 1.1 million times the legal limit.

Remember that reading that TEPCO said was 10 million times the legal limit from the pools that was later reduced to 100,000 times the limit (when that info was inducing panic)? They stated they incorrectly read the measurement. Some of us "tin-foil" hat guys thought this "new" reading was beyond suspicion because the reading was reported by TEPCO and allowed to be in the news for multiple hours before it was pulled back (and as people were freaking out about what it meant). Changing the reading also allowed TEPCO to dump this highly radioactive material directly into the ocean.

Allowed? Really?

Yes. My understanding is there is a leak, but there is also a plan to dump/pump the wastewater in the reactors into the Pacific, and allow the ocean to dissipate the radioactivity from the wastewater.

I would guess that it was allowed based on some maximum level of radioactivity - which may, or may not, be millions of times higher than normal.

 

[bueno]

The eight inch crack they found in the floor of the containment vessel is really the first thing that has happened that really has me worried. It was apparently caused by the quake. This was the line of defense that was supposed to contain core material. It seems like the core is still there, but water used to cool it is leaking into the crack and ultimately into the ocean. Distressing, but still not a reason for panic. It's a big ocean and things will get diluted quickly. Still, sealing that crack has to be a priority.

The first attempt at plugging it with concrete failed. I would try using drilling mud - one of the muds that expand when in contact with water - to grout the hole and then try a concrete seal again. The reason being is that I'm not worried about iodine in the long term - two months from now, there will be no threat from that (it shouldn't even be detectable as a contaminant). I am more concerned about cesium. But cesium likes to adhere to phyllosilicates like clays. Phyllosilicates are like a big (on a molecular scale) ring of silica with a hole in the center of the ring where usually a large diameter cation like potassium will sit. Cesium will be absorbed by the clays while the clays also expand to grout the crack. Anyway, that is what I would try next.

The sky still isn't falling, and I'll probably have sushi for dinner tonight (I'm in Vancouver, B.C. for a few days). I heard of this one place that gets glowing reports for their sea urchin.Yummy!

 

[bueno]

Japan's ocean radiation hits 7.5 million times legal limit

http://www.latimes.c...0,2697428.story

The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear plant said Tuesday that it had found radioactive iodine at 7.5 million times the legal limit in a seawater sample taken near the facility, and government officials imposed a new health limit for radioactivity in fish.

The reading of iodine-131 was recorded Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Another sample taken Monday found the level to be 5 million times the legal limit. The Monday samples also were found to contain radioactive cesium at 1.1 million times the legal limit.

Remember that reading that TEPCO said was 10 million times the legal limit from the pools that was later reduced to 100,000 times the limit (when that info was inducing panic)? They stated they incorrectly read the measurement. Some of us "tin-foil" hat guys thought this "new" reading was beyond suspicion because the reading was reported by TEPCO and allowed to be in the news for multiple hours before it was pulled back (and as people were freaking out about what it meant). Changing the reading also allowed TEPCO to dump this highly radioactive material directly into the ocean.

Allowed? Really?

Yes. My understanding is there is a leak, but there is also a plan to dump/pump the wastewater in the reactors into the Pacific, and allow the ocean to dissipate the radioactivity from the wastewater.

I would guess that it was allowed based on some maximum level of radioactivity - which may, or may not, be millions of times higher than normal.

I don't think we have the equipment available to pump the water into a tanker shipand the evaporation rate in Japan isn't going to help us, so that may be the only answer. But let's not think it is going to be the whole ocean that is 7.5 million times background. Take the amount of radioactive water, divide it by the amount of water in the oceans, and it will dilute to background very quickly. Not the ideal, but likely the only solution.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I don't think we have the equipment available to pump the water into a tanker shipand the evaporation rate in Japan isn't going to help us, so that may be the only answer. But let's not think it is going to be the whole ocean that is 7.5 million times background. Take the amount of radioactive water, divide it by the amount of water in the oceans, and it will dilute to background very quickly. Not the ideal, but likely the only solution.

I am assuming it si the only answer, because that is what they plan to do.I don't think anyone has said it was the whole ocean - in fact the article I linked above has the following quote:"To put this in perspective, the Pacific Ocean holds about 300 trillion swimming pools full of water, and they are going to release about five swimming pools full," said Timothy Jorgensen, chair of the radiation safety committee at Georgetown University Medical Center. "So hopefully the churning of the ocean and the currents will quickly disperse this so that it gets to very dilute concentrations relatively quickly."Who knows what the impact will be - likely nothing major. But I would not be eating seafood from around Japan for a while.Maybe its time we let them go back to hunting whales without the crazy animal activists ramming their boats.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

http://mitnse.com/

News Updates, 4/4/11

TEPCO has identified a potential pathway by which water from Unit 2 may have been leaking into the Pacific Ocean. This pathway consists of a 20 cm crack in the concrete wall of a pit which holds electrical cables for the seawater intake pumps. Two efforts have been made to plug this crack, with limited success. The first was an attempt to pour fresh concrete over the breach, and the second made use of a polymer sealant. Crews are making use of tracer dyes in order to both track the flow of water out of the pit, and determine whether the repair is successful.

Efforts are additionally still underway to remove and store water from the basements of the reactor turbine buildings. In unit 2, storage space for this water is running low. As a result, the Japanese government has authorized the discharge of some 10,000 tons of low-level radioactivity water from its wastewater treatment facility, in order to make way for storage of the more highly radioactive water in unit 2’s turbine building basement. TEPCO also plans to release some 1,500 tons of similarly low-level radioactive water from Units 5 and 6, so that it does not damage vital safety equipment. The discharge was scheduled to begin at 7 PM JST.

While these numbers seem alarming, TEPCO has predicted that a person eating seaweed and fish from the waters immediately outside the plant every day for a year would receive a dose of just 0.6 mSv. The IAEA has asked for additional information on this planned discharge so that it may itself predict the impact on the environment.

The IAEA has reported the most recent results of tests on vegetables grown in Fukushima and neighboring prefectures. In 133 of 134 samples tested, radiation was either not detected or was detected at levels lower than regulatory limits. A single sample of mushrooms from Fukushima province exceeded regulatory limits on radioactive iodine and cesium. The IAEA is continuing its own program of air and water monitoring, in addition to that already being performed by TEPCO and MEXT.

 

[David Dodds]

http://www3.nhk.or.j...lish/05_38.html

Plant radiation monitor says levels immeasurable

A radiation monitor at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says workers there are exposed to immeasurable levels of radiation. The monitor told NHK that no one can enter the plant's No. 1 through 3 reactor buildings because radiation levels are so high that monitoring devices have been rendered useless. He said even levels outside the buildings exceed 100 millisieverts in some places.

 

[bueno]

http://www3.nhk.or.j...lish/05_38.html

Plant radiation monitor says levels immeasurable

A radiation monitor at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says workers there are exposed to immeasurable levels of radiation. The monitor told NHK that no one can enter the plant's No. 1 through 3 reactor buildings because radiation levels are so high that monitoring devices have been rendered useless. He said even levels outside the buildings exceed 100 millisieverts in some places.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_h32.htmlLeak seems to be lessening.

I have a hard time with this site. Unnamed radiation monitors working for who nobody knows talking to the press. Can't even begin to ascertain credibility of the worker here. But it does sound like hyperbole.

 

[David Dodds]

I have a hard time with this site.

Of course you do. You have trouble with anyone actually reporting something negative about nuclear power.

 

[bueno]

I have a hard time with this site.

Of course you do. You have trouble with anyone actually reporting something negative about nuclear power.

No, because that isn't what the sites does. It also reported that the leak has been lessened. What I have a hard time with is not knowing a single damn thing about this "radiation monitor." For all we know it could be some high school dropout hired to carry around a dosimeter who knows nothing about radiation or anything else for that matter. don't you want to know the sources of this "news" or are you just content to post it because it supports your world-view?

 

[David Dodds]

Not sure how anyone can think things are getting better.

- They are now dumping water into reactors 5 and 6 (yes those were the reactors that were offline)

- They are dumping highly radiated water directly into the ocean so they can refill the reactors and create even more radiated water. And where will this water go? The ocean of course. Rinse and repeat .

 

[bueno]

Not sure how anyone can think things are getting better.- They are now dumping water into reactors 5 and 6 (yes those were the reactors that were offline)- They are dumping highly radiated water directly into the ocean so they can refill the reactors and create even more radiated water. And where will this water go? The ocean of course. Rinse and repeat .

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

 

[David Dodds]

India slaps ban on all Japan food imports

http://www.thestarph...2100/story.html



India on Tuesday banned all food imports from Japan, citing fears over radioactive contamination from the country's nuclear disaster.

A government statement said the three-month ban could be extended until "such time as credible information is available that the radiation hazard has subsided to acceptable limit."

"Since the radiation is spreading/expanding horizontally in other parts of Japan, it may result in further radioactive contamination in the supply chain of food exports from Japan," the Indian government statement said.

Several countries, including China, Taiwan, Singapore and the United States, have banned shipments of produce from certain Japanese prefectures while others are monitoring radiation levels in Japanese shipments.

India, which is the first nation to impose a blanket ban, imports small quantities of fruits, vegetables and processed food from Japan.

 

[David Dodds]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

It really seems like they are trying to screw this up.

 

[David Dodds]

I will make some assumptions:

Six standard fire pumps

2.5 inch fire hoses up pumping 350 gallons per minute each.

That would be 3,024,000 gal of hazardous waste being created every DAY. That's equivalent to about 5 Olympic Size swimming pools of radioactive water dumped into the ocean daily.

Additionally, I think stating that they are dumping water is a bit of a misnomer. It's been running into the ocean since they started this procedure.

so how long are they expecting to continue with this policy?

 

[bueno]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

They took weakly contaminated water from idle reactors and dumped it. Except for the fear factor, it is kind of a non-story really. It certainly isn't "unlimited amounts of hazardous waste." And it certainly is not "destroying the planet." Come on.

 

[Smack Tripper]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

They took weakly contaminated water from idle reactors and dumped it. Except for the fear factor, it is kind of a non-story really. It certainly isn't "unlimited amounts of hazardous waste." And it certainly is not "destroying the planet." Come on.

Hmm, I think you both might find some middle ground, but I would trend towards DDs opinion. This is a disaster of unmodeled proportions. Certainly a regional disaster and I guess we'll hope that the dispersal is as minor with regard to ocean currents as they suggest. Personally, I would have opted for an instant cement burial rather than this hairbrained notion of pumping seawater in there with no real place for it to go.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

They took weakly contaminated water from idle reactors and dumped it. Except for the fear factor, it is kind of a non-story really. It certainly isn't "unlimited amounts of hazardous waste." And it certainly is not "destroying the planet." Come on.

I understand the concern but the level of hyperbole is reaching epic proportions (please excuse my own hyperbole). Destroying the planet on what scale? At what rate of destruction? I think the response is not ideal by anyones standard, but the Japanese are choosing the lesser of two evils dumping to the ocean.

 

[bueno]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

They took weakly contaminated water from idle reactors and dumped it. Except for the fear factor, it is kind of a non-story really. It certainly isn't "unlimited amounts of hazardous waste." And it certainly is not "destroying the planet." Come on.

Hmm, I think you both might find some middle ground, but I would trend towards DDs opinion. This is a disaster of unmodeled proportions. Certainly a regional disaster and I guess we'll hope that the dispersal is as minor with regard to ocean currents as they suggest. Personally, I would have opted for an instant cement burial rather than this hairbrained notion of pumping seawater in there with no real place for it to go.

Never said it wasn't a disaster, just not the Armageddon that some have made it out to be.Chernobyl was a disaster of unmodeled proportions. This one still isn't even close.

 

[tommyGunZ]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

They took weakly contaminated water from idle reactors and dumped it. Except for the fear factor, it is kind of a non-story really. It certainly isn't "unlimited amounts of hazardous waste." And it certainly is not "destroying the planet." Come on.

I understand the concern but the level of hyperbole is reaching epic proportions (please excuse my own hyperbole). Destroying the planet on what scale? At what rate of destruction? I think the response is not ideal by anyones standard, but the Japanese are choosing the lesser of two evils dumping to the ocean.

You ready to eat sushi caught from that area anytime soon? That part of the planet is in fact being destroyed for the near future.

 

[bueno]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

They took weakly contaminated water from idle reactors and dumped it. Except for the fear factor, it is kind of a non-story really. It certainly isn't "unlimited amounts of hazardous waste." And it certainly is not "destroying the planet." Come on.

I understand the concern but the level of hyperbole is reaching epic proportions (please excuse my own hyperbole). Destroying the planet on what scale? At what rate of destruction? I think the response is not ideal by anyones standard, but the Japanese are choosing the lesser of two evils dumping to the ocean.

You ready to eat sushi caught from that area anytime soon? That part of the planet is in fact being destroyed for the near future.

Yes, I would eat it right now.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

They took weakly contaminated water from idle reactors and dumped it. Except for the fear factor, it is kind of a non-story really. It certainly isn't "unlimited amounts of hazardous waste." And it certainly is not "destroying the planet." Come on.

I understand the concern but the level of hyperbole is reaching epic proportions (please excuse my own hyperbole). Destroying the planet on what scale? At what rate of destruction? I think the response is not ideal by anyones standard, but the Japanese are choosing the lesser of two evils dumping to the ocean.

You ready to eat sushi caught from that area anytime soon? That part of the planet is in fact being destroyed for the near future.

Look, I don't want to make light of this. But it's too soon to say it's destroying anything on the scale that the media is playing up. The trend I see in recent articles is "Radiation one million times limit", the actual number is subective to make a good headline. Then they tell you that it's like a drop in a very very large bucket. It scares me appropriately, but not to the point of making blanket presumptions that aren't based in fact.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

They took weakly contaminated water from idle reactors and dumped it. Except for the fear factor, it is kind of a non-story really. It certainly isn't "unlimited amounts of hazardous waste." And it certainly is not "destroying the planet." Come on.

I understand the concern but the level of hyperbole is reaching epic proportions (please excuse my own hyperbole). Destroying the planet on what scale? At what rate of destruction? I think the response is not ideal by anyones standard, but the Japanese are choosing the lesser of two evils dumping to the ocean.

You ready to eat sushi caught from that area anytime soon? That part of the planet is in fact being destroyed for the near future.

Yes, I would eat it right now.

im headed to Japan in June. I plan to eat mas quantities of seafood and drink much h20.

 

[bueno]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

They took weakly contaminated water from idle reactors and dumped it. Except for the fear factor, it is kind of a non-story really. It certainly isn't "unlimited amounts of hazardous waste." And it certainly is not "destroying the planet." Come on.

I understand the concern but the level of hyperbole is reaching epic proportions (please excuse my own hyperbole). Destroying the planet on what scale? At what rate of destruction? I think the response is not ideal by anyones standard, but the Japanese are choosing the lesser of two evils dumping to the ocean.

You ready to eat sushi caught from that area anytime soon? That part of the planet is in fact being destroyed for the near future.

Yes, I would eat it right now.

im headed to Japan in June. I plan to eat mas quantities of seafood and drink much h20.

Wouldn't want you to get dehydrated.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

They took weakly contaminated water from idle reactors and dumped it. Except for the fear factor, it is kind of a non-story really. It certainly isn't "unlimited amounts of hazardous waste." And it certainly is not "destroying the planet." Come on.

I understand the concern but the level of hyperbole is reaching epic proportions (please excuse my own hyperbole). Destroying the planet on what scale? At what rate of destruction? I think the response is not ideal by anyones standard, but the Japanese are choosing the lesser of two evils dumping to the ocean.

You ready to eat sushi caught from that area anytime soon? That part of the planet is in fact being destroyed for the near future.

Yes, I would eat it right now.

im headed to Japan in June. I plan to eat mas quantities of seafood and drink much h20.

Wouldn't want you to get dehydrated.

oh, with the mass quantities of booze i will be consuming... i will be getting dehydrated as well.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

This chart gives a good summary of the radiation levels from a variety of activities

 

[bueno]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

They took weakly contaminated water from idle reactors and dumped it. Except for the fear factor, it is kind of a non-story really. It certainly isn't "unlimited amounts of hazardous waste." And it certainly is not "destroying the planet." Come on.

I understand the concern but the level of hyperbole is reaching epic proportions (please excuse my own hyperbole). Destroying the planet on what scale? At what rate of destruction? I think the response is not ideal by anyones standard, but the Japanese are choosing the lesser of two evils dumping to the ocean.

You ready to eat sushi caught from that area anytime soon? That part of the planet is in fact being destroyed for the near future.

Yes, I would eat it right now.

im headed to Japan in June. I plan to eat mas quantities of seafood and drink much h20.

Wouldn't want you to get dehydrated.

oh, with the mass quantities of booze i will be consuming... i will be getting dehydrated as well.

I hope so, for your sake.

 

[tommyGunZ]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

They took weakly contaminated water from idle reactors and dumped it. Except for the fear factor, it is kind of a non-story really. It certainly isn't "unlimited amounts of hazardous waste." And it certainly is not "destroying the planet." Come on.

I understand the concern but the level of hyperbole is reaching epic proportions (please excuse my own hyperbole). Destroying the planet on what scale? At what rate of destruction? I think the response is not ideal by anyones standard, but the Japanese are choosing the lesser of two evils dumping to the ocean.

You ready to eat sushi caught from that area anytime soon? That part of the planet is in fact being destroyed for the near future.

Yes, I would eat it right now.

BS. I don't believe for a second that you would eat tuna or salmon caught anywhere near that plant right now.

 

[bueno]

David, where did you think they would be dumping the water?

I asked this question early on and people responded that it would be handled as hazardous waste. I didn't know it was ok to dump unlimited amounts of hazardous waste into the ocean. I guess I "wrongly" assumed laws existed against destroying the planet like that.

They took weakly contaminated water from idle reactors and dumped it. Except for the fear factor, it is kind of a non-story really. It certainly isn't "unlimited amounts of hazardous waste." And it certainly is not "destroying the planet." Come on.

I understand the concern but the level of hyperbole is reaching epic proportions (please excuse my own hyperbole). Destroying the planet on what scale? At what rate of destruction? I think the response is not ideal by anyones standard, but the Japanese are choosing the lesser of two evils dumping to the ocean.

You ready to eat sushi caught from that area anytime soon? That part of the planet is in fact being destroyed for the near future.

Yes, I would eat it right now.

BS. I don't believe for a second that you would eat tuna or salmon caught anywhere near that plant right now.

Sure I would. Because iodine doesn't concentrate in seafood and cesium concentrates best in mud, which is purged from filter-feeders before it is served. No problems at all.

 

[tommyGunZ]

You ready to eat sushi caught from that area anytime soon? That part of the planet is in fact being destroyed for the near future.

Yes, I would eat it right now.

BS. I don't believe for a second that you would eat tuna or salmon caught anywhere near that plant right now.

Sure I would. Because iodine doesn't concentrate in seafood and cesium concentrates best in mud, which is purged from filter-feeders before it is served. No problems at all.

Japan said some fish caught last week about 50 miles (80 kilometers) from the plant would have exceeded the new safety limits, which may change as circumstances do.

So even though fish 50 miles away contain radioactive iodine in excess of safety limits, good 'ole bueno is willing to eat raw fish caught directly in front of the plant.

 

[bueno]

You ready to eat sushi caught from that area anytime soon? That part of the planet is in fact being destroyed for the near future.

Yes, I would eat it right now.

BS. I don't believe for a second that you would eat tuna or salmon caught anywhere near that plant right now.

Sure I would. Because iodine doesn't concentrate in seafood and cesium concentrates best in mud, which is purged from filter-feeders before it is served. No problems at all.

Japan said some fish caught last week about 50 miles (80 kilometers) from the plant would have exceeded the new safety limits, which may change as circumstances do.

So even though fish 50 miles away contain radioactive iodine in excess of safety limits, good 'ole bueno is willing to eat raw fish caught directly in front of the plant.

Yep. Safety limits are deliberately set low. The old CYA comes in play.

 

[renesauz]

I will make some assumptions:Six standard fire pumps2.5 inch fire hoses up pumping 350 gallons per minute each.That would be 3,024,000 gal of hazardous waste being created every DAY. That's equivalent to about 5 Olympic Size swimming pools of radioactive water dumped into the ocean daily.Additionally, I think stating that they are dumping water is a bit of a misnomer. It's been running into the ocean since they started this procedure. so how long are they expecting to continue with this policy?

David, given a choice between mildly contaminated water, and water with mild to moderate amounts of carbon-based waste products, I'd dump the radioactive water every time. The radionuclides are mostly dissolved, and easily dispersed. Like peeing in a Olympic sized swimming pool.Carbon based wastes are far more dangerous health wise. Worse, many are insoluble or only partially soluble, making them harder to disperse.I don't like it, but not because I fear environmental damage. I don't like it because the perception is that it will cause environmental damage.