:MERGED: *** Official T.O. thread *** (2 Viewers)

[JohnnyU]

Of course he will be great in 2006. As long as things are ok in TO's world, it's smooth sailing. However, 2007 is another story.

 

[redman]

Anyone else waiting with great anticipation for Brian Dawkins' first meeting with TO on the field?

 

[DropKick]

Hard to imagine T.O. not being a force on the field.

My intuition tells me T.O. may revert to model citizen status in Big D, at least for the first season or the first play-off loss.

 

[Banger]

This is one of those threads that will certainly get bumped after the first blow up with Bledsoe / Parcells but I'll say it now - Owens will be great in 2006.

Who's with me on the record?

Who's not?

J

Did they sign a QB who won't be sacked 10 times a game?

Key got 71 rec. last year, if they can increase that by 10-15 receptions (which I don't think will be a problem) TO will end up with 1200-1400 yards and 11-14 tds.

 

[glock]

Of course he will be great in 2006. As long as things are ok in TO's world, it's smooth sailing. However, 2007 is another story.

...and your crystal ball shows you TO's world going to hell-in-a-handbasket in 2007? I can never get a clear enough reading on mine this far in advance.

:damnstatic:

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

ON the Wagon

 

[sib]

This is one of those threads that will certainly get bumped after the first blow up with Bledsoe / Parcells but I'll say it now - Owens will be great in 2006.

Who's with me on the record?

Who's not?

J

I couldn't agree more. As a matter of fact I think TO in 2k6 has a legit shot of having a MVP-caliber year

 

[ThisGuy]

This Just In: Terrell Owens is the most talented WR in the league.

Way to go out on a limb there, J.

 

[Phlash]

If by "great" you mean he'll have great stats, then yes, I agree with you.

Uh, yes, I would say that was indeed what Joe meant......and as long as he plays 16 games that's all I give a rats ### about!

I'm in.

Yeah, who cares about the playoffs anyways

 

[Phlash]

This is one of those threads that will certainly get bumped after the first blow up with Bledsoe / Parcells but I'll say it now - Owens will be great in 2006.

Who's with me on the record?

Who's not?

J

Did they sign a QB who won't be sacked 10 times a game?

Key got 71 rec. last year, if they can increase that by 10-15 receptions (which I don't think will be a problem) TO will end up with 1200-1400 yards and 11-14 tds.

Exactly. I could EASILY see Bledsoe throwing for 4300/30 next year, which would probably make him the number 1 - 3 fantasy QB. If Glenn can continue to play like the speedster he is and complement Owens well, with Jason Witten thrown into the mix we're talking about an offense that is poised to be explosive in the passing game. Hopefully Julius doesn't keep breaking himself so they can at least set up some sort of running game

 

[JohnnyU]

Of course he will be great in 2006.  As long as things are ok in TO's world, it's smooth sailing.  However, 2007 is another story.

...and your crystal ball shows you TO's world going to hell-in-a-handbasket in 2007? I can never get a clear enough reading on mine this far in advance.

:damnstatic:

A person's history doesn't guarantee future events, but it does lend us some insight into the probability that TO implodes sometime after the honeymoon is over.

 

[redman]

If TO's upbringing is responsible for this behavior and he's not able to control it on his own, then why is it that we never saw this behavior in 1996-1999 or so?

 

[TheLaw]

I'm in on this. I personally dont see TO as the cancer most on this board perceive him as. The Eagles as an organization and Mcnabb as a leader (or lack of one) are at fault as much as TO and his agent.

TO will put up top WR stats this season and the Cowboys will make the playoffs.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Could the addition of Fabini and Owens may actually make Bledsoe a viable fantasy starter again?

I think the Fabini signing helps almost as much.

This also means that the 'Boys will most likely NOT use their first rounder on either an o-lineman or WR. Manny Lawson anyone?

 

[redman]

Of course he will be great in 2006.  As long as things are ok in TO's world, it's smooth sailing.  However, 2007 is another story.

...and your crystal ball shows you TO's world going to hell-in-a-handbasket in 2007? I can never get a clear enough reading on mine this far in advance.

:damnstatic:

Those who remain ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Check the news archives, not the crystal ball.

 

[Otis]

This is one of those threads that will certainly get bumped after the first blow up with Bledsoe / Parcells but I'll say it now - Owens will be great in 2006.

Who's with me on the record?

Who's not?

J

Without a doubt. Bledsoe has a cannon and has been a very good to great fantasy QB in the past. That offense will be balanced, and they will go deep to T.O. fairly regularly. He'll have a season like he did in Philly 2 years ago.

 

[dgreen]

Could the addition of Fabini and Owens may actually make Bledsoe a viable fantasy starter again?

I think the Fabini signing helps almost as much.

This also means that the 'Boys will most likely NOT use their first rounder on either an o-lineman or WR. Manny Lawson anyone?

Bledsoe ranked 6th last year among QBs. He could be top 5 in 2006.

 

[redman]

I'm in on this. I personally dont see TO as the cancer most on this board perceive him as. The Eagles as an organization and Mcnabb as a leader (or lack of one) are at fault as much as TO and his agent.

Yeah, and McNabb sure screwed up that SF situation too. Wow, McNabb's the devil!

 

[TheLaw]

I'm in on this.  I personally dont see TO as the cancer most on this board perceive him as.  The Eagles as an organization and Mcnabb as a leader (or lack of one) are at fault as much as TO and his agent.

Yeah, and McNabb sure screwed up that SF situation too. Wow, McNabb's the devil!

How's Jeff Garcia doing these days?

 

[dgreen]

That offense will be balanced

This will be interesting. They were pretty bad running the ball last year, but they certainly tried. They were 5th in rushing attempts, but 26th in YPA.If they still can't run very effectively, I'm not sure how balanced they will be.

 

[beergut]

"I could EASILY see Bledsoe throwing for 4300/30 next year"

These are the sort of numbers people were projecting for Kerry Collins last year after the Radiers acquired Randy Moss. "Hey, he's throwing to the best wide receiver in the league!"

Bledsoe is not, repeat NOT a quality quarterback! He will not approach those sort of numbers! People have to remember that things don't happen in a vacuum.

 

[redman]

I'm in on this.  I personally dont see TO as the cancer most on this board perceive him as.  The Eagles as an organization and Mcnabb as a leader (or lack of one) are at fault as much as TO and his agent.

Yeah, and McNabb sure screwed up that SF situation too. Wow, McNabb's the devil!

How's Jeff Garcia doing these days?

Ok, let's take note of the significance of your retort. You've gone in post 1 from saying Owens is not a cancer to implying in post 2 that being a cancer is justified if the quality of your QB is bad enough.

Is TO going to be justified for blasting Bledsoe if the line isn't able to protect him and he starts getting happy feet and throwing picks and incompletions? Is that not being a cancer?

 

[joffer]

I think he'll dissappoint.

It is funny to listen to Austin sports radio on the drive in this morning. Lots of Cowboy fans calling in saying they're done supporting the team after this signing.

These fans that supported Charles Haley, Leon Lett, crack-baby Michael Irvin, the white house, etc. as long as the team won.

 

[BlueOnion]

This is one of those threads that will certainly get bumped after the first blow up with Bledsoe / Parcells but I'll say it now - Owens will be great in 2006.

Who's with me on the record?

Who's not?

J

That is quite a prediction Joe. Any chance you put your money where your mouth is and make him your coverboy for year 2, FBG the magazine?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Could the addition of Fabini and Owens may actually make Bledsoe a viable fantasy starter again?

I think the Fabini signing helps almost as much.

This also means that the 'Boys will most likely NOT use their first rounder on either an o-lineman or WR.  Manny Lawson anyone?

Bledsoe ranked 6th last year among QBs. He could be top 5 in 2006.

On the AVERAGE, he's probably pretty good. But if you look at his numbers over the course of an entire season, he starts out great, but tanks about week 8. I believe this is due to his getting pummeled due to poor line play and his inability to escape a rush (he can't escape continental drift, much less a pass rush.)

 

[dgreen]

"I could EASILY see Bledsoe throwing for 4300/30 next year"

These are the sort of numbers people were projecting for Kerry Collins last year after the Radiers acquired Randy Moss. "Hey, he's throwing to the best wide receiver in the league!"

Bledsoe is not, repeat NOT a quality quarterback! He will not approach those sort of numbers! People have to remember that things don't happen in a vacuum.

Kerry Collins went from the 15th ranked QB in 2004 to 9th in 2005 with Moss.Bledsoe was 6th in 2005. I'm not saying he'll get 4300/30, but I can easily see him being top 5.

 

[GregR_2]

And don't forget the now infamous fact that Mashall Faulk had ball cancer.

Marshall Faulk's ball cancer = SPEED

 

[blkgolf23]

TO will be great and the Cowboy will make a run for the Super Bowl.

 

[scratcher]

I'm sure he'll be good but I'll go on the record saying that his season this year won't be as good as his first season with the Eagles. And maybe the fact that Tuna doesnt pass as much as Andy will piss him off enough to explode. I know he says he wants to be a model player and he probably means it right now, but he doesnt seem to have any control over his emotions when he's in the heat of the game. I can say this for a sure fact: TO keeps the NFL very interesting and the League should be grateful.

 

[redman]

"I could EASILY see Bledsoe throwing for 4300/30 next year"

These are the sort of numbers people were projecting for Kerry Collins last year after the Radiers acquired Randy Moss. "Hey, he's throwing to the best wide receiver in the league!"

Bledsoe is not, repeat NOT a quality quarterback! He will not approach those sort of numbers! People have to remember that things don't happen in a vacuum.

Kerry Collins went from the 15th ranked QB in 2004 to 9th in 2005 with Moss.Bledsoe was 6th in 2005. I'm not saying he'll get 4300/30, but I can easily see him being top 5.

Playing devil's advocate for a second: the o-line injuries killed the running game that had been strong only the year before. They were forced to pass more than they liked. I think a healthy (forget about "improved") o-line will remedy that, and will result in more running plays and fewer passing plays. That's consistent with Parcells' well-established preferences in terms of play calling and game management anyway. That may be reason enough for Bledsoe to remain outside of the top five in passing.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think he'll dissappoint.

This a hunch?

 

[redman]

BTW - does anyone else wonder how much Parcells will tolerate appearing to call passing plays enough to placate TO before deciding to show he's in control?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Could the addition of Fabini and Owens may actually make Bledsoe a viable fantasy starter again?

I think the Fabini signing helps almost as much.

This also means that the 'Boys will most likely NOT use their first rounder on either an o-lineman or WR.  Manny Lawson anyone?

Bledsoe ranked 6th last year among QBs. He could be top 5 in 2006.

On the AVERAGE, he's probably pretty good. But if you look at his numbers over the course of an entire season, he starts out great, but tanks about week 8. I believe this is due to his getting pummeled due to poor line play and his inability to escape a rush (he can't escape continental drift, much less a pass rush.)

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[Spike]

Could the addition of Fabini and Owens may actually make Bledsoe a viable fantasy starter again?

I think the Fabini signing helps almost as much.

This also means that the 'Boys will most likely NOT use their first rounder on either an o-lineman or WR. Manny Lawson anyone?

FWIW, I'm "in" on this as long as Bledsoe is also healthy. I cannot see any other QB on the 'Boys roster who could do much of anything if Bledsoe went down for any length of time.

 

[dgreen]

Could the addition of Fabini and Owens may actually make Bledsoe a viable fantasy starter again?

I think the Fabini signing helps almost as much.

This also means that the 'Boys will most likely NOT use their first rounder on either an o-lineman or WR. Manny Lawson anyone?

Bledsoe ranked 6th last year among QBs. He could be top 5 in 2006.

On the AVERAGE, he's probably pretty good. But if you look at his numbers over the course of an entire season, he starts out great, but tanks about week 8. I believe this is due to his getting pummeled due to poor line play and his inability to escape a rush (he can't escape continental drift, much less a pass rush.)

This could be true. If the pass protection remains poor, trading Bledsoe after about week 5 may be the best move.

 

[sib]

I think Parcells is smart enough to play to his strengths. With TO, Glenn, and Jason Witten the strength of the offensive unit is clearly on the passing side and I think Parcells is smart enough to take advantage of that strength.

Look at how much the Patriots passed in 94, 95, 96 under Parcells; he wasn't shy about Bledsoe airing it out even with a talent like CMart on his roster (and JJ, MB3, and Tyson Thompson are not Cmart..at least not yet anyway)

 

[DoctorDetroit]

This is one of those threads that will certainly get bumped after the first blow up with Bledsoe / Parcells but I'll say it now - Owens will be great in 2006.

Who's with me on the record?

Who's not?

J

If this involves a free subscription then I'm on board. If not I'm not sharing this sensitive information which could be used in a draft in August to predict my intellegent team design theory.

 

[-OZ-]

#1 WR in 2006

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Absent injury I think he will have a very good year. I see him producing less catches and yards than he did in Philly based on Parcell's offense, but I believe he will be a touchdown machine. I don't believe he will be sufficient to get Dallas past the first round of the playoffs.

 

[David Yudkin]

Could the addition of Fabini and Owens may actually make Bledsoe a viable fantasy starter again?

In standard scoring leagues last year, Bledsoe ranked as the #6 QB, so he ALREADY was a viable fantasy starter.

 

[Sam Quentin]

You have your facts completely backwards.

Ray Lewis was out with his friends whom he has known since childhood. His friends got into a fight with other people. Ray Lewis was pretty much the sole peacemaker there and did everything possible to diffuse the situation. Unfortunately, he was unable to, and his friends murdered somebody. The police arrived and questioned Lewis. Obviously he had a moral dilemna: Protect his childhood friends or tell the truth. He simply said "I don't know. No comment." THE VERY NEXT DAY, he decided that it was wrong to cover it up and he went and told the police the truth.

of course, of course, that's exactly what went down.

 

[Otis]

That offense will be balanced

This will be interesting. They were pretty bad running the ball last year, but they certainly tried. They were 5th in rushing attempts, but 26th in YPA.If they still can't run very effectively, I'm not sure how balanced they will be.

I think with T.O. there they WILL run effectively. He will really balance out the offense. Expect Julius to put up some hefty numbers too. He's a very solid value play this offseason.

 

[Kai's Hero]

how to respect other people in this world.

Respect as defined by TO haters:

What players who have done those things are respected by TO haters? At most it's Ray Lewis, but lying to the police to protect your friends is not a bad thing IMO.

OK, covering up for a murder is technically a felony, but it's nowhere near as bad as criticizing a teammate... Sometimes I wonder about the moral codes of sports fans.

It's not bad to me. Maybe you guys want "friends" that will spill their guts as soon as they get a chance, but not me. I don't care that it's technically a felon, it's the right thing to do in a case like that.

So its better to let a murderer...especially if its you haha...go unpunished and ignore the grieving of a family than publically insult a teammate? I catch your drift.

You have your facts completely backwards.Ray Lewis was out with his friends whom he has known since childhood. His friends got into a fight with other people. Ray Lewis was pretty much the sole peacemaker there and did everything possible to diffuse the situation. Unfortunately, he was unable to, and his friends murdered somebody. The police arrived and questioned Lewis. Obviously he had a moral dilemna: Protect his childhood friends or tell the truth. He simply said "I don't know. No comment." THE VERY NEXT DAY, he decided that it was wrong to cover it up and he went and told the police the truth.

And you know this how?

 

[valence]

IN, probably the easiest one ever.

 

[glock]

Of course he will be great in 2006.  As long as things are ok in TO's world, it's smooth sailing.  However, 2007 is another story.

...and your crystal ball shows you TO's world going to hell-in-a-handbasket in 2007? I can never get a clear enough reading on mine this far in advance.

:damnstatic:

Those who remain ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Check the news archives, not the crystal ball.

I guess we're both in then.

 

[TheLaw]

I'm in on this.  I personally dont see TO as the cancer most on this board perceive him as.  The Eagles as an organization and Mcnabb as a leader (or lack of one) are at fault as much as TO and his agent.

Yeah, and McNabb sure screwed up that SF situation too. Wow, McNabb's the devil!

How's Jeff Garcia doing these days?

Ok, let's take note of the significance of your retort. You've gone in post 1 from saying Owens is not a cancer to implying in post 2 that being a cancer is justified if the quality of your QB is bad enough.

Is TO going to be justified for blasting Bledsoe if the line isn't able to protect him and he starts getting happy feet and throwing picks and incompletions? Is that not being a cancer?

He wasnt a cancer in SF, he was correct. TO's actions in SF had nothing to do with the downfall of that team.In Philly, both parties handled the situation incorrectly, but I find it hard to believe a player who comes back from a broken leg against doctor's orders and is the only player to show up in the Super Bowl is a cancer. Philly pulled some #### on TO, but the media ran the other direction.

 

[BroadwayG]

I thought this was April Fools day when I saw J posted this. From anyone else I'd consider this a fishing trip. Seriously, when was the last year that he played and wasn't great?

The real question is how many games will he play.

 

[joffer]

I think he'll dissappoint.

This a hunch?

what else would it be? My time machine is broke.

 

[Bankerguy]

Cowboy homer view to follow:

I believe TO will be great this year. Although, I have seen some crazy predictions about his TD totals.

I see:

95-100 catches

1350-1450 yards

12-14 TD

Good for a Top 3 WR.

He will be a model citizen this year....no doubt in my mind.

 

[redman]

Look at how much the Patriots passed in 94, 95, 96 under Parcells; he wasn't shy about Bledsoe airing it out even with a talent like CMart on his roster (and JJ, MB3, and Tyson Thompson are not Cmart..at least not yet anyway)

These comparisons to the Patriots are superficial IMHO. First of all, the '93-'96 Patriots should be evaluated as if they're about three different teams. The '93 team went 5-11 and had gone 2-14 the year before Parcells took over. Why this is even considered as a comparison to a 2006 Cowboys team that wants to make a deep playoff run is beyond me.

The 1994 team went 10-6 but missed the playoffs. They were little changed from the '93 team overall, but this was classic Parcells in that he had gotten a mediocre team to play disciplined football and win. That's most comparable IMHO to the 2003 Cowboys, but again the Cowboys are much improved from that 2003 team in terms of talent.

The 1995 team actually regressed - I recall distinctly how Bledsoe stunk up the joint with his passing even with rookie CuMar posting solid rushing numbers. The team went 6-10.

Finally, the 1996 team - which in theory is the most comparable to the 2006 Cowboys because it went to the Super Bowl - had Bledsoe throwing for over 4000 yards. The problem was that the leading rusher on the team, CuMar, averaged only 3.6 yards per carry, leading to the question: did they throw out of necessity?

My point is simply this: I'm not sure how much direct comparison can be made between those Patriots teams and the current Cowboys team given my impression that the Cowboys are more talented this year than any of those Patriots teams were.