MFL blind bid question (1 Viewer)

[TommyGilmore]

I have a question about Myfantasyleague's blind bid system (having never done it before):

If I bid $1 for Pennington in Round 1, but someone else bids $20 for him in Round 2, who gets Pennington?

If the answer is "the $1 1st round bid", then is there any way to set up MFL so that the highest bid ALWAYS wins?

TIA.

 

[reg]

The highest bidder.

http://sidelineleagues.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16615

slightly off-topic, but why all the posts here about MFL questions when they have their own messageboard to search for answers?

 

[TommyGilmore]

The highest bidder.

http://sidelineleagues.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16615

slightly off-topic, but why all the posts here about MFL questions when they have their own messageboard to search for answers?

Thanks for the answer! I asked here because I trust the wisdom of the knowledgable FBGuys.

 

[GregR_2]

The highest bidder.

http://sidelineleagues.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16615

slightly off-topic, but why all the posts here about MFL questions when they have their own messageboard to search for answers?

Thanks for the answer! I asked here because I trust the wisdom of the knowledgable FBGuys.

Don't put any stock in what is in that thread right now. I'm testing it in a test league, and the automated resolution is not doing what it should. I'll be adding comments to that thread shortly.

 

[GregR_2]

Ok, made a LONG post over there.

For the time being, I'd suggest if you want a player, to put him in his own round. You cannot count on putting more than one player in a round and having your bid on him looked at. Sometimes it would be counted, other times it wouldn't. It would just all depend on the other bids submitted, and your tiebreaker order (assuming that plays a role in which bids get resolved first by the cpu).

 

[TC]

Within a blind bid format, the round is unimportant. It is a template shared by all bid formats.

A 1st round bid of QB Brooks $25 is equal to a 5th round bid of the same.

 

[blenderfrog]

Within a blind bid format, the round is unimportant. It is a template shared by all bid formats.A 1st round bid of QB Brooks $25 is equal to a 5th round bid of the same.

at least for my leagues using MFL blind bidding, but maybe it's in the set-up. We don't have any "rounds." You just bid on the players you want and MFL does its best to decide the winners. The big problem I have with MFL is that it doesn't have a priority preference. A guy in my league bid 23 for 1 WR and 20 for the back-up if he didn't win his 1st choice (he was dropping the same guy so he could only win one). MFL gave him his 2nd choice. The commish had to switch it based on the comment the owner added.

 

[reg]

Within a blind bid format, the round is unimportant. It is a template shared by all bid formats.A 1st round bid of QB Brooks $25 is equal to a 5th round bid of the same.

at least for my leagues using MFL blind bidding, but maybe it's in the set-up. We don't have any "rounds." You just bid on the players you want and MFL does its best to decide the winners. The big problem I have with MFL is that it doesn't have a priority preference. A guy in my league bid 23 for 1 WR and 20 for the back-up if he didn't win his 1st choice (he was dropping the same guy so he could only win one). MFL gave him his 2nd choice. The commish had to switch it based on the comment the owner added.

That is the purpose of using rounds. Each round serves as a priority so to speak.

 

[Redhots GM]

The rounds are there so that you can do contingency (or what they call "conditional") bidding. If you allow this then the round does make a difference. So, in Tommy's case, the $1 bid in round 1 wins. You have to prioritize your bids with this setup.

If you do not allow contingency bidding there are no rounds and the highest bid wins, sometimes. In blenders case there were no contigency bids allowed but the team tried do it by naming the same drop player twice. The system arbitrarily took the second choice. For what reason, I don't know.

It's a great system if you can get it set up correctly. At No Mercy we have a combination of BB w/contingency and FCFS immediately following that. It works but it took some time to get it right.

Here's a brief overview of how to bid using the contingent bidding process.... FWIW

When preparing for your blind bid waivers keep in mind that the system now

(due to contingent bidding) processes the waivers in rounds. So each blind

bid that you submit should be in a different round. The only case where you

can submit multiple bids in a single round is when you have a contingent bid

for either the bid player or the drop player.

For example:

Round 1

Player A bid $5 drop Player B

Player C bid $5 drop Player B

Player D Bid $3 drop Player B

In this case the computer will pick the highest bid player available for

either A, C or D and drop Player B.

If you want to do a bid similar to what we have done in the past...

Player A bid $5

Player B bid $5

Player C bid $5

Drop Player D

Drop Player E

Drop Player F

In this case the first player dropped would always be D no matter if you won

the bid for A, B or C.

To do this type of bid each round would look like...

Round1

Player A bid $5 drop Player D

Round 2

Player B bid $5 drop Player D

Player B bid $5 drop Player E

Round 3

Player C bid $5 drop Player D

Player C bid $5 drop Player E

Player C bid $5 drop Player F

In all other cases where you're bidding one for one...

Round 1

Player A bid $5 drop Player B

Round 2

Player C bid $4 drop Player D

Round 3

Player E bid $4 drop Player F

These should be input into separate rounds. If they aren't the computer will

not recognize the bids below the first one placed.

In any of these cases if you screw up the computer won't know it and will

process exactly what you place where you place it.... remember garbage in ,

garbage out.

 

[GregR_2]

...For example:Round 1Player A bid $5 drop Player BPlayer C bid $5 drop Player BPlayer D Bid $3 drop Player BIn this case the computer will pick the highest bid player available foreither A, C or D and drop Player B....

To be clear, the automatic bidding resolution does not necessarily "pick the highest bid player available". The problem is when it is resolving bids on players it only looks at the top guy in your round still available. What I'm saying is, the order in which players bids are resolved has a huge affect on the outcome.Let's say the computer decides to resolve bids on Player D first. When it looks at your round, it only checks to see if Player D is at the top of the list after removing players who were awarded. Since he's not, it would not count your round 1 bid on D, even if you later lose the bids on A and C. I've actually tested this in a test league, this is how it behaves.If on the other hand it resolves bids on Player A first, and you lose that bid... then on Player C, and you lose that bid, then on Player D, you would win Player D if you had the highest bid.I didn't test the order in which it resolves players extensively, but it looked to me like it takes the team highest in priority, grabs his first player from his round 1, and goes and resolves that player. It might then grab the 2nd player in his round 1 next, or it might move on to the next team. I'm not sure, but I guess it's the former. All I know for sure on that is that to put my test in terms of your example, a team in high priority had Player D as his top guy in round 1, but with a lower bid. And he got Player D. He also had Player A in round 2 but with a higher bid, and he got Player A too.So if you want to make absolutely sure you get one of the three, you need to put them in different rounds. But if you do that, you have no control over which one of the three you get first. It's a catch-22.Of course if you resolve them yourself by hand, that isn't an issue. Well, actually it is, but your commish can use a little more intelligence in the resolution and notice that you're going to lose the bids on A and C and then give you D.

 

[Redhots GM]

but it looked to me like it takes the team highest in priority, grabs his first player from his round 1, and goes and resolves that player. It might then grab the 2nd player in his round 1 next, or it might move on to the next team.

I couldn't find a place where, in Blind Bidding, there is a place to prioritize teams. In our setup all teams are equal for the bidding process. Only in the case of tied bids do we prioritze. The system, when setup for "conditional" bids, completes all Round 1 bids first, then 2nd, then 3rd., etc... So, if you were to win a Round 1 bid for a player and you had two or three selections in that round it will only take one. Then it would move to your 2nd round.It's possible that we're talking about two completely different types of setup here....

 

[GregR_2]

but it looked to me like it takes the team highest in priority, grabs his first player from his round 1, and goes and resolves that player. It might then grab the 2nd player in his round 1 next, or it might move on to the next team.

I couldn't find a place where, in Blind Bidding, there is a place to prioritize teams. In our setup all teams are equal for the bidding process. Only in the case of tied bids do we prioritze. The system, when setup for "conditional" bids, completes all Round 1 bids first, then 2nd, then 3rd., etc... So, if you were to win a Round 1 bid for a player and you had two or three selections in that round it will only take one. Then it would move to your 2nd round.It's possible that we're talking about two completely different types of setup here....

Again, I'm speculating based on what I saw. But, I set up the test league to only have blind bidding waivers. However I also went into Home Page setup and added Waiver Wire Order onto the list. What I saw seemed to indicate to me that it used the waiver wire order shown in that display to decide which players it resolved bids on... by grabbing the top Round 1 player of the team that was highest in that list. I didn't play with it additionally to confirm it. It might indeed be that isn't the case. In fact, the waiver wire order was just franchise 12 to 1 in order... so it could be that it just does it that way every time and it was a coincidence the waiver wire order was the same.Though what really matters is, SOMEHOW it seems to be deciding to resolve all bids on a given player X first. And if that player is buried in your round behind a couple of other guys who haven't been awarded yet, your bid gets ignored, even if you're going to lose the bids on those other players later on.

 

[Redhots GM]

... it seems to be deciding to resolve all bids on a given player X first. And if that player is buried in your round behind a couple of other guys who haven't been awarded yet, your bid gets ignored, even if you're going to lose the bids on those other players later on.

That's weird... have you asked the folks at MFL about this 'cause that surely doesn't seem right.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Week 2 and we've already got a problem. One team bid $24 for L.J. Smith, but the system gave Smith to another team that bid $21. I've looked at the bids and they seem legit to me.

I am starting to question my decision to switch from Sportsline to MFL...

 

[TC]

Week 2 and we've already got a problem. One team bid $24 for L.J. Smith, but the system gave Smith to another team that bid $21. I've looked at the bids and they seem legit to me.I am starting to question my decision to switch from Sportsline to MFL...

MFL is strongly preferred here. The only for the above to happen is if the player being dropped by the $24 bid was no longer on the roster. (He may have a prior bid dropping the same player processed before the Smith bid.)Hawks bid $26 on QB Jackson, dropping TE Jones - PROCESSEDHawks bid $24 on TE Smith, dropping TE Jones - DECLINEDHawks bid $10 on PK Green, dropping WR Taylor - PROCESSED

 

[Zowned]

Ok...

a) the rounds...you need to turn off conditional bidding, not sure where that is though

Without rounds, if you list in order of prefernece

1. add X, drop A

2. add Y, drop A

If you don't have high bid on X it goes to move 2.

I know for the past week it didn't do this in my league (awarded move 2 when 1 would have won). I contacted MFL via a ticket and it was a glitch in the system. They told me since then it has been fixed and won't happen again so should be good to go.

 

[Family Matters]

In my experience, if you have the league SET UP correctly, it will work as requested. Blind bidding will go to the highest bidder always if that's what you want. If it's doing something else then you have set it up differently.

As for the rounds, it doesn't matter what round you bid a player. The only reason rounds exist in blind bidding is to create "conditional bids" for a given player. IOW-say in a given round you want to bid on Coles and drop Jackson. You submit that request. Additionally, in the same round, you submit a bid for Smith and drop Jackson. That's a conditional bid. If you are the highest bidder for Coles you will get Coles and the Smith bid will be ignored. However if someone else bids more for Coles then it will award Smith to you if you are the highest bidder.

Each round works the same way.

In fact if you are the highest bidder in each round then you get each player.

The only reason this would not work is if you have put some other waiver rules in place. For example you may have a rule that limits you to x number of waiver moves per week. If so then you would get your earlier rounds awarded first.

Also if you have priorities in place then they kick as well. BTW-if you do then you do not have a true "Blind Bid" process in place.