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MFL changes player positions on the day the season starts (1 Viewer)

I personally like the separate DT/DE CB/S designations, but this is one case against it. Guys are constantly getting shuffled around and it's really hard to plan for. I had this problem with Derek Wolfe last year.

 
Jerry Hughes practiced, played and was listed on Buffalo's depth chart as an OLB all summer. Not sure why they waited until yesterday to change it.

 
Some of you are missing the point. I don't disagree with MFL making position changes. I disagree with the timing of those changes. Did it have to be done on opening day? Could it have been done 3 days earlier? Could it have waited until the following Tuesday morning? They obviously understand deadlines and calendars. They impose them on leagues when it comes to paying yearly fees.

Also, where is the pop up message to notify owners that players positions have changed. MFL can spam the home page while marketing other leagues to owners. If you are going to make changes on the day the season opens, you might want to use every tool you have to notify owners.

 
Some of you are missing the point. I don't disagree with MFL making position changes. I disagree with the timing of those changes. Did it have to be done on opening day? Could it have been done 3 days earlier? Could it have waited until the following Tuesday morning? They obviously understand deadlines and calendars. They impose them on leagues when it comes to paying yearly fees.

Also, where is the pop up message to notify owners that players positions have changed. MFL can spam the home page while marketing other leagues to owners. If you are going to make changes on the day the season opens, you might want to use every tool you have to notify owners.
I agree. I'm not sure why they would wait this long to make those changes, especially since a lot of them took place months ago. It could be a Rotoworld thing, in which case MFL should ditch Rotoworld.

 
OP used the word "ownness" in place of either "onus" or "ownership" (I can't tell which he was actually going for) in two separate posts. He deserves this happening to him.

 
Some of you are missing the point. I don't disagree with MFL making position changes. I disagree with the timing of those changes. Did it have to be done on opening day? Could it have been done 3 days earlier? Could it have waited until the following Tuesday morning? They obviously understand deadlines and calendars. They impose them on leagues when it comes to paying yearly fees.

Also, where is the pop up message to notify owners that players positions have changed. MFL can spam the home page while marketing other leagues to owners. If you are going to make changes on the day the season opens, you might want to use every tool you have to notify owners.
I agree. I'm not sure why they would wait this long to make those changes, especially since a lot of them took place months ago. It could be a Rotoworld thing, in which case MFL should ditch Rotoworld.
Thats the point I've been trying to make; I'm not crying about my player being changed... had it been a week earlier I would just shrug and say thats the way it is. I've played IDP for about 7 yrs so I've had plenty of players be changed; but never on game day. To wake up, go to FBG and see the MFL positions thread bump and then see my line up is invalid just 12 hrs away from game day is ridiculous. And so far no one has given me a good reason why it was done then and not a week earlier. MFL hasn't and no one here has.

Their customer service just blows me off, I have 6 leagues and are paying them about $400 in fees a year, for what. I could get customer service like that from yahoo and another fee service.

 
Of note:

We compare our data with their depth charts in late August or early September and update our master player listings to match the information at Rotoworld.com. Any changes made to player positions at this time will be recorded in our Commissioner News section of the web site.
Any non-commishes can go to http://football24.myfantasyleague.com/2013/site_news?L=##### to check the latest updates.

If you bothered to check any of those sections even once in the last 10 years that you have been on the site, then none of these updates would have been a surprise to you.
so they can't send an email out a couple of days before hand and let you know this is happening?

 
Anyone who has been in IDP leagues on MFL for any length of time has run into this before. MFL always makes positional changes just before the beginning of the season in the sake of accuracy. Those of us who played in the incredibly deep FBG's IDP Survivor leagues all had to deal with positional switches for DT/DE, DE/LB & S/CB.

I can appreciate the frustration with a positional switch for a key player on opening day, but the OP is also neglecting his responsibility in the process. This isn't your first rodeo Kelly... and you've known all summer that Bennett was not certain to remain eligible at DT. You took the risk, man up and take some responsibility too.

Good luck to Kelly and everyone with the kickoff of the season...
i did?
YES, you did... :rolleyes:

Your attempt at ignorance is pretty pathetic. Below is your timeline of posts about Michael Bennett dating back to June. You've known his position was in question all summer and long BEFORE your draft but didn't want to hear that he was likely to end up at DE.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=683062&p=15674460

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=683062&p=15767941

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=683062&p=15851153

A good craftsman never blames his tools... you're better than this Kelly. Take some ownership.
Someone just got pwned.

 
Jerry Hughes practiced, played and was listed on Buffalo's depth chart as an OLB all summer. Not sure why they waited until yesterday to change it.
This particular changed boned an owner in my 32-teamer that had Hughes in his lineup at DE. Strangely enough, the Bills have Hughes listed as DE on their depth chart at buffalobills.com

 
I agree that position changes on opening day are out of line, regardless of whether this has been done in past years or not. There needs to be an earlier position change deadline to allow leagues and owners to accommodate.

That said, the real problem is the subjectivity and sometimes downright uninformed aspect of the Rotoworld depth charts. At times, such as this time with Michael Bennett or in past years when they moved Justin Smith to LB, they simply appear flatly unaware of how that player is being used within the defensive scheme. If they are going to be the go to source for positional designations they really need to take the job a little more seriously.

In Bennett's specific instance, nothing has changed about the way the Seahawks intend to deploy him. There is no new scheme, there are no injuries, there is no snap count in the pre-season that would dictate a change in his positional designation. There is no justification for a positional switch. Either he never should have been listed as a DT, or he should stay a DT. Nothing has changed since he was acquired to warrant switching his position once, let alone multiple times. I am all for accuracy, but Rotoworld, far too often engages in random unsubstantiated shuffling of IDP's with the resultant headaches that imposes.

I really believe some players just need a built in multi position designation. Guys like Terrell Suggs or Von Miller that bring DE/LB positional flexibility to their NFL team should bring that same value to their IDP fantasy teams. Guys like Michael Bennett, Jason Jones, or Cullen Jenkins that play both DE/DT snaps should also get a hybrid designation. That shouldn't be on the commish, typically a participating owner in leagues, to make the call on.

 
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Is this something MFL commishes can go in and fix for Week One? For example, maybe by overriding or changing starting-lineup positional designation rules for Week One only?

 
I definitely agree that MFL should incorporate slash positions by default in an age where so many players are hybrids in their defense. Just make an option for leagues that don't like it to opt out.

 
Is this something MFL commishes can go in and fix for Week One? For example, maybe by overriding or changing starting-lineup positional designation rules for Week One only?
yes. a commish can change the player designation to whatever he wants. Suggs as a QB would be funny.

But, I believe it requires turning off the Commish Lockout feature. Which I don't like doing unless I absolutely have to.

 
Is this something MFL commishes can go in and fix for Week One? For example, maybe by overriding or changing starting-lineup positional designation rules for Week One only?
yes. a commish can change the player designation to whatever he wants. Suggs as a QB would be funny.

But, I believe it requires turning off the Commish Lockout feature. Which I don't like doing unless I absolutely have to.
Hmmm ... wonder if the following could be done while Commish Lockout is engaged:

Usual League Rule -- These IDPs must be started: 1-2 DT, 2 DE, 3-4 LB, 2 CB, 2 S

Modified League Rule for Wk 1 Only-- These IDPs must be started: 0-3 DT, 1-3 DE, 2-5LB, 1-3 CB, 1-3 S

Just a suggestion to make sure everyone's got a legal starting lineup for Wk 1. With full league notification, of course.

...

It does seem like that this may be another case where the relative rarity of IDP leagues leads to lessened customer support from MFL. I used to regard MFL as the go-to site for leagues with esoteric rules. But MFL may now find themselves overextended to the point where they kind of triage their customer service requests: "Only 25 complaints about defensive position changes? That's not enough to lift a finger for, chief".

 
I definitely agree that MFL should incorporate slash positions by default in an age where so many players are hybrids in their defense. Just make an option for leagues that don't like it to opt out.
Rotoworld already does this and MFL uses rotoworld as it's source for positions. It should actually be really simple for MFL to change and accomodate this. An OLB at rotoworld is a 3-4 OLB. The OLB in 4-3 defenses are considered SLB or WLB.

Depth Chart Glossary:

GLB – Goal line/ Short-yardage Back3RB – Third-down running back

3WR – Third receiver/Slot receiver

DE – Defensive end DT – Defensive tackle

NT – Nose tackle (3-4 defense)

MLB – Middle linebacker

WLB – Weak-side linebacker SLB – Strong-side linebacker

ILB – Inside linebacker (3-4 defense)

OLB – Outside linebacker (3-4 defense)

CB – Cornerback

 
Anyone who has been in IDP leagues on MFL for any length of time has run into this before. MFL always makes positional changes just before the beginning of the season in the sake of accuracy. Those of us who played in the incredibly deep FBG's IDP Survivor leagues all had to deal with positional switches for DT/DE, DE/LB & S/CB.

I can appreciate the frustration with a positional switch for a key player on opening day, but the OP is also neglecting his responsibility in the process. This isn't your first rodeo Kelly... and you've known all summer that Bennett was not certain to remain eligible at DT. You took the risk, man up and take some responsibility too.

Good luck to Kelly and everyone with the kickoff of the season...
i did?
YES, you did... :rolleyes:

Your attempt at ignorance is pretty pathetic. Below is your timeline of posts about Michael Bennett dating back to June. You've known his position was in question all summer and long BEFORE your draft but didn't want to hear that he was likely to end up at DE.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=683062&p=15674460

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=683062&p=15767941

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=683062&p=15851153

A good craftsman never blames his tools... you're better than this Kelly. Take some ownership.
Someone just got pwned.
Explain? I had seen him switched in May but then switched back due to Clemons and Avril being the starting Des (who are both practicing now); but I had no idea that they switch players just hrs before gametime, never seen that before. Its like having a TE that lines up in the slot and your commissioner just goes ahead and changes him to WR on game day, effecting your score.

 
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Question, in a case of a player like Bennett who seems to be playing either position depending on the health of the other DEs on the team, will itr change weekly during the course of the season or is this the last change of the yr?

 
Is this something MFL commishes can go in and fix for Week One? For example, maybe by overriding or changing starting-lineup positional designation rules for Week One only?
yes. a commish can change the player designation to whatever he wants. Suggs as a QB would be funny.

But, I believe it requires turning off the Commish Lockout feature. Which I don't like doing unless I absolutely have to.
Hmmm ... wonder if the following could be done while Commish Lockout is engaged:

Usual League Rule -- These IDPs must be started: 1-2 DT, 2 DE, 3-4 LB, 2 CB, 2 S

Modified League Rule for Wk 1 Only-- These IDPs must be started: 0-3 DT, 1-3 DE, 2-5LB, 1-3 CB, 1-3 S

Just a suggestion to make sure everyone's got a legal starting lineup for Wk 1. With full league notification, of course.

...

It does seem like that this may be another case where the relative rarity of IDP leagues leads to lessened customer support from MFL. I used to regard MFL as the go-to site for leagues with esoteric rules. But MFL may now find themselves overextended to the point where they kind of triage their customer service requests: "Only 25 complaints about defensive position changes? That's not enough to lift a finger for, chief".
I see what you're getting at. But, the week one rule to allow 5lbs and no DT's would be a huge swing (at least in our league)

As it stands, we have minimum position requirements for each position. A team cannot enter the season with Zero DT's (or Placekickers) on their roster.

Ultimately it comes down MFL understanding how this change effects it's paying customers. Even though it negatively effects a small portion of its customer base, this would be all the more reason to do these changes when they make the least impact. Those that it doesn't effect wouldn't care either way.

 
These changes have turned me off to IDP leagues.

Suggs has been listed as DL for years. Nothing changed this season from last and now he is a LB. Too stupid to comprehend.

 
Question, in a case of a player like Bennett who seems to be playing either position depending on the health of the other DEs on the team, will itr change weekly during the course of the season or is this the last change of the yr?
They use Rotoworld. If Rotoworld changes it, then within whatever cycle time they sync changes in, it could change again.

 
Actually, what MFL needs to implement is a setting for leagues to decide, if and when they want these updates to post. If they will allow Commissioners to go in and change the player positions manually, then why not allow them to turn off the updates completely.

You could then establish rules to accommodate for player position changes perhaps after week 2 and after week 8. This would allow plenty of lead time for teams to adjust.

 
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Is this something MFL commishes can go in and fix for Week One? For example, maybe by overriding or changing starting-lineup positional designation rules for Week One only?
yes. a commish can change the player designation to whatever he wants. Suggs as a QB would be funny.

But, I believe it requires turning off the Commish Lockout feature. Which I don't like doing unless I absolutely have to.
I really don't think Lockout should have anything to do with it. The league agrees to what the positions should be, you send an email you're about to make the changes, turn off lockout, adjust the positions, turn lockout back on, and send another email you're done.

At some point people have to trust a commish is going to do the right thing. Or if they can't do that, pay an outsider to be commish.

 
OP used the word "ownness" in place of either "onus" or "ownership" (I can't tell which he was actually going for) in two separate posts. He deserves this happening to him.
:lol: Yup.This isn't a case of "omg, MFL and their customer service are the worst now". They've always done last-minute position changes, regardless of whether it's 12 hours pr two days before kickoff. Seems to me that your league just can't handle the changes.

 
OP used the word "ownness" in place of either "onus" or "ownership" (I can't tell which he was actually going for) in two separate posts. He deserves this happening to him.
:lol: Yup.This isn't a case of "omg, MFL and their customer service are the worst now". They've always done last-minute position changes, regardless of whether it's 12 hours pr two days before kickoff. Seems to me that your league just can't handle the changes.
Yeah, that must be it. I handle salaries and contracts for 800 players before the season starts. Then another 50-100 during the season. Not sure why I would pay someone to make more work for me?

FWIW, I have never seen MFL do position changes on the day the season starts. I would venture to guess that they won't do it ever again due to the negative response this season.

 
For what it's worth this is the support ticket I submitted to MFL:

Why did you choose to change player positions on the day the season starts? I understand you need to make these changes from time to time. But, why not make them on Monday Nights? Our league handles waivers on Wednesday evenings. We also separate our DT and DE positions, so this caused some lineup problems.

I also understand that a commissioner can change the player designation. After a long lead up to the season, I like to be able to concentrate on managing my team. This is why we pay MFL. To make things easier, not more difficult.

I think it was poor judgement to make this move on the day the season starts.



This is the response I received back from MFL:

Thanks for the feedback! We'll make the final changes sooner in future years. For what it's worth, we have made the last set of changes right before the season starts in prior years, but this year there were more of them, and last year the Wed kickoff helped a little with that as well. We've made a note to make final changes on Tuesday before kickoff from now on.

- Mike


As I already mentioned, I don't think it will be a problem moving forward. Perhaps MFL didn't think that the changes would have much of an effect.

 
For what it's worth this is the support ticket I submitted to MFL:

Why did you choose to change player positions on the day the season starts? I understand you need to make these changes from time to time. But, why not make them on Monday Nights? Our league handles waivers on Wednesday evenings. We also separate our DT and DE positions, so this caused some lineup problems.

I also understand that a commissioner can change the player designation. After a long lead up to the season, I like to be able to concentrate on managing my team. This is why we pay MFL. To make things easier, not more difficult.

I think it was poor judgement to make this move on the day the season starts.

This is the response I received back from MFL:

Thanks for the feedback! We'll make the final changes sooner in future years. For what it's worth, we have made the last set of changes right before the season starts in prior years, but this year there were more of them, and last year the Wed kickoff helped a little with that as well. We've made a note to make final changes on Tuesday before kickoff from now on.

- Mike

As I already mentioned, I don't think it will be a problem moving forward. Perhaps MFL didn't think that the changes would have much of an effect.
Thanks for the info KC, glad their going to review the policy but I'm still lost as to why its Tuesday instead of the kickoff day... I think accomplising it before the last weekend would be much better.

 
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For what it's worth this is the support ticket I submitted to MFL:

Why did you choose to change player positions on the day the season starts? I understand you need to make these changes from time to time. But, why not make them on Monday Nights? Our league handles waivers on Wednesday evenings. We also separate our DT and DE positions, so this caused some lineup problems.

I also understand that a commissioner can change the player designation. After a long lead up to the season, I like to be able to concentrate on managing my team. This is why we pay MFL. To make things easier, not more difficult.

I think it was poor judgement to make this move on the day the season starts.

This is the response I received back from MFL:

Thanks for the feedback! We'll make the final changes sooner in future years. For what it's worth, we have made the last set of changes right before the season starts in prior years, but this year there were more of them, and last year the Wed kickoff helped a little with that as well. We've made a note to make final changes on Tuesday before kickoff from now on.

- Mike

As I already mentioned, I don't think it will be a problem moving forward. Perhaps MFL didn't think that the changes would have much of an effect.
Thanks for the info KC, glad their going to review the policy but I'm still lost as to why its Tuesday instead of the kickoff day... I think accomplising it before the last weekend would be much better.
Saturday was the deadline for NFL teams to finish cutting 576 players from their rosters. On Sunday 32 players were claimed from waivers and 1 was traded. On Monday 9 players were signed and another traded.

There's just too much movement that happens around the roster cutdown deadline which is after the timeframe you're suggesting. I'd say a site that doesn't do an update on at least Monday of this week would be letting down their customers nearly as badly as changing positions the morning of a game was.

 
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For what it's worth this is the support ticket I submitted to MFL:

Why did you choose to change player positions on the day the season starts? I understand you need to make these changes from time to time. But, why not make them on Monday Nights? Our league handles waivers on Wednesday evenings. We also separate our DT and DE positions, so this caused some lineup problems.

I also understand that a commissioner can change the player designation. After a long lead up to the season, I like to be able to concentrate on managing my team. This is why we pay MFL. To make things easier, not more difficult.

I think it was poor judgement to make this move on the day the season starts.

This is the response I received back from MFL:

Thanks for the feedback! We'll make the final changes sooner in future years. For what it's worth, we have made the last set of changes right before the season starts in prior years, but this year there were more of them, and last year the Wed kickoff helped a little with that as well. We've made a note to make final changes on Tuesday before kickoff from now on.

- Mike

As I already mentioned, I don't think it will be a problem moving forward. Perhaps MFL didn't think that the changes would have much of an effect.
Thanks for the info KC, glad their going to review the policy but I'm still lost as to why its Tuesday instead of the kickoff day... I think accomplising it before the last weekend would be much better.
Saturday was the deadline for NFL teams to finish cutting 576 players from their rosters. On Sunday 32 players were claimed from waivers and 1 was traded. On Monday 9 players were signed and another traded.

There's just too much movement that happens around the roster cutdown deadline which is after the timeframe you're suggesting. I'd say a site that doesn't do an update on at least Monday of this week would be letting down their customers nearly as badly as changing positions the morning of a game was.
ok, that makes sense. But in the case of players like Bennett and Hughes and other players that been on the same team all off-season; they should of been decided on a little before then unless a new player acquired leads to the position change.

 
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Again, Rotoworlds irrational and baseless position changes are the real issue. Far moreso than MFLs lateness in their updates.

 
You ignored the possibility even though it was evident all summer that it could happen. I own Bennett and I was prepared. You should be too.

The real issue isn't with MFL (as they follow Rotoworld, I believe?) it's with the inflexibility of your league. To a lessor degree you dropping the ball in not being prepared. You can keep banging the drum, but none of those 2 things is going to become less true. You should turn your attention to your league and facilitate a waiver change that allows you to correct these issues at any point during the week. I assure you that's where any success you may have will come.

 
You ignored the possibility even though it was evident all summer that it could happen. I own Bennett and I was prepared. You should be too.

The real issue isn't with MFL (as they follow Rotoworld, I believe?) it's with the inflexibility of your league. To a lessor degree you dropping the ball in not being prepared. You can keep banging the drum, but none of those 2 things is going to become less true. You should turn your attention to your league and facilitate a waiver change that allows you to correct these issues at any point during the week. I assure you that's where any success you may have will come.
nope, my goals (and everyone elses that were placed in the same situation) were accomplished. My league is handling the situation that MFL put me in very fairly while MFL has stated that they are going to review and change the poliy of position updates on the 1st day of the season.

Thank you to everyone that put in trouble tickets so MFL can correct their mistake.

 
You ignored the possibility even though it was evident all summer that it could happen. I own Bennett and I was prepared. You should be too.

The real issue isn't with MFL (as they follow Rotoworld, I believe?) it's with the inflexibility of your league. To a lessor degree you dropping the ball in not being prepared. You can keep banging the drum, but none of those 2 things is going to become less true. You should turn your attention to your league and facilitate a waiver change that allows you to correct these issues at any point during the week. I assure you that's where any success you may have will come.
I kind of understand what you are saying OBX. But, why does there need to be a rule to address a week 1 issue only, when there are already waiver rules in place for the following 16 weeks?

 

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