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Thoughts on Irvin? Might he be able to get 35+ solos and 10 sacks playing opposite?I am sad I missed the Khaili Mack ride, no one was biting on offers.
Thoughts on Irvin? Might he be able to get 35+ solos and 10 sacks playing opposite?I am sad I missed the Khaili Mack ride, no one was biting on offers.
I don't know enough about Gunther's version of the 4-3 but he's got a ton going against him in any event. Irvin's experience playing SAM in the Gus version may make him more valuable in that role so I don't know how much he'll truly be playing down and if he'll keep the designation. I also think Arden Key will be a stud if he's able to stay clean and he'll cap Irvin in any regard. The 3-8 sacks Key gets keep Irvin from double digits and therefore starting viability. I'm not interested, I want DL with more upside than that. 35/5 guys are all over the waiver wire.Thoughts on Irvin? Might he be able to get 35+ solos and 10 sacks playing opposite?
They do these knee jerk reactions in the spring, that seem pointless. I tweeted the Rotoworld guy about it. His reasoning for the Raiders moves was that these players went to a 3-4 team, and until they showed they would be a 4-3 defense, it made more sense to put Key at LB, and Hall/Hurst at DE. In a 3-4, those positions would make more sense for those particular players. Frankly, that doesn't fly.Does Rotoworld have a contest with another site to try to be first? They seem a bit knee jerk with changes and hours later make a contradictory post that the guy they just moved to LB will "in the mix at DE"
Really? Everything about Lawson so far this year is that he is a DE. But Roto wants him to be a LB?
Exactly.massraider said:
- The Raiders being a true 3-4 the last few years is news to me.
I own him and haven't seen anything new on him. He is a decent flyer in big play leagues (which I am in) but if you are in a standard league I would take the chance on Burks at this point.I haven't seen any positive news about Carl Lawson since he moved from a DE to LB designation. But, now I have a guy in one of my leagues relentlessly pursuing him by offering me trades. Started with Oren Burks straight up for Lawson and now he's offering Markus Golden and Dion Jordan for him. Did I miss some positive development regarding Lawson?
Lawson is supposedly having a really good camp. *shrugs*I haven't seen any positive news about Carl Lawson since he moved from a DE to LB designation. But, now I have a guy in one of my leagues relentlessly pursuing him by offering me trades. Started with Oren Burks straight up for Lawson and now he's offering Markus Golden and Dion Jordan for him. Did I miss some positive development regarding Lawson?
Had similar concerns with how Rotoworld handled Khalil Mack last summer. Definitely some knee jerk going on from time to time. Have seen several players switch positions multiple times over the summer in the past.They do these knee jerk reactions in the spring, that seem pointless. I tweeted the Rotoworld guy about it. His reasoning for the Raiders moves was that these players went to a 3-4 team, and until they showed they would be a 4-3 defense, it made more sense to put Key at LB, and Hall/Hurst at DE. In a 3-4, those positions would make more sense for those particular players. Frankly, that doesn't fly.
There were some rumblings a few years ago about the team being multiple. Somehow, that gets turned into BreezeIDP rearranging every player to a 3-4 defense.
- The Raiders being a true 3-4 the last few years is news to me. They had elements of it, like Mack and Irvin dropping into coverage. But this was nothing like a 3-4 defense. They had ZERO players on their team that were 3-4 DE types, 5 techniques. Mario Edwards could potentially fill that role, but he DIDN'T actually play that role. The Raiders had two DEs that can play LB, that does NOT mean a team is running a 3-4. They ALWAYS had two DTs on the field, and they were lined up as a 1 and 3 tech. It looked like a 4-3 most of the time. But what do I know, I only watched every snap of preseason and regular season.
- He also made the statement that Hall played NT in college, so that fit with a 3-4 scheme. That is such a weak ####### argument, I cannot believe he made it. Every DT in college at some point, lines up as a NT. Hall is 6', 300 lbs. This is not Vince Wilfork. He's not a 3-4 NT, and this guy knows that. Also, I don't really know if it's true, because I never saw Sam Houston State, which I am sure I have in common with the guy from Rotoworld.
- Hurst/Hall are as classic a 3 Tech size as one can get. They were clearly DTs, and would ONLY be inside penetrators.
- Norton came from SEA. 3-4 defense? No. Classic 4-3.
- Guenther replaced him, from Cincy. 3-4 defense? No. Classic 4-3.
And that's just my team.
Lawson is supposedly having a really good camp. *shrugs*
Maybe they knew Roto was moving him back to DE, now a DE...again
Bengals coach Marvin Lewis expects DE Carl Lawson to remain a sub-package player in 2018.
Lawson notched 8.5 sacks on just 477 rookie snaps, but the Bengals still have Michael Johnson and Carlos Dunlap. "The biggest thing that was true for Carl at Auburn, and still continues here in the NFL after his first season, is that by limiting his exposure, we're going to get more production," Lewis said. "He’s not that big of a person and so to go out and bang with the big guys all the time is not going to be beneficial to him, and what he’s going to get done at the end of the game when you need him to." Lawson could force Lewis' hand if he picks up where he left off as a rookie. Aug 14 - 5:40 PM
Source: Katherine Terrell on Twitter
He's a DE on Roto, sooooo.......Maybe they knew Roto was moving him back to DE, now a DE...again
Bengals coach Marvin Lewis expects DE Carl Lawson to remain a sub-package player in 2018.
Lawson notched 8.5 sacks on just 477 rookie snaps, but the Bengals still have Michael Johnson and Carlos Dunlap. "The biggest thing that was true for Carl at Auburn, and still continues here in the NFL after his first season, is that by limiting his exposure, we're going to get more production," Lewis said. "He’s not that big of a person and so to go out and bang with the big guys all the time is not going to be beneficial to him, and what he’s going to get done at the end of the game when you need him to." Lawson could force Lewis' hand if he picks up where he left off as a rookie. Aug 14 - 5:40 PM
Source: Katherine Terrell on Twitter
He should not be on the wire with the press he's received and his preseason work so grab him now or someone else will. Certainly not a start-him-every-week guy but he looks like a guy that will force the staff to play him full time. Michael Johnson is already expendable so next year Lawson is opposite Dunlap full time.Lawson expectations?
https://i.redditmedia.com/LqFoq7qO0FP9vjofTmwie3j46M5Ve5Gwa5CkTi8Ity0.jpg?w=702&s=1de4c73b1058396eb31ebe4335de6e18The Carl Lawson ride is frustrating.
low tackle numbers. feast or famine. They have 4 DEs worth playing.Lawson expectations?
Hmm. He's moved back to S. Productive last season as Safety. He's should get lots of snaps playing slot/safety hybrid. Not a ton of tackles, iirc, but good for deflections and big plays.drewd_21 said:The following player position changes will be made on Monday, September 3rd, to bring our player database up-to-date with the Rotoworld.com depth charts:
DET: Quandre Diggs from CB to S
I like these as buy's in DT required leagues.The following player position changes will be made on Thursday, March 21st, to bring our player database up-to-date with the Rotoworld.com depth charts:
ARI: Robert Nkemdiche from DT to DE
ARI: Chandler Jones from DE to LB
ARI: Brooks Reed from DE to LB
CAR: Marquis Haynes from DT to DE
CHI: Bilal Nichols from DE to DT
CLE: Olivier Vernon from LB to DE
DAL: Tyrone Crawford from DT to DE
DAL: Kerry Hyder from DE to DT
DEN: Shelby Harris from DE to DT
DET: Romeo Okwara from LB to DE
GB : Tramon Williams from CB to S
HOU: Chris Landrum from DE to LB
HOU: Briean Boddy-Calhoun from S to CB
HOU: Mike Tyson from CB to S
JAX: Lerentee McCray from LB to DE
JAX: Taven Bryan from DE to DT
KC : Breeland Speaks from LB to DE
KC : Tanoh Kpassagnon from LB to DE
KC : Chris Jones from DE to DT
LAC: T.Y. McGill from DE to DT
LAC: Anthony Lanier from DE to DT
LAR: Dante Fowler from DE to LB
MIA: Minkah Fitzpatrick from S to CB
MIN: Ifeadi Odenigbo from DE to DT
NE : Ufomba Kamalu from LB to DT
NE : Keion Crossen from S to CB
NO : Justin Hardee from WR to CB
NYG: Olsen Pierre from DT to DE
NYG: Dalvin Tomlinson from DE to DT
NYJ: Tarell Basham from DE to LB
NYJ: Bronson Kaufusi from DE to LB
SEA: Quinton Jefferson from DT to DE
SEA: Jake Martin from LB to DE
SEA: Poona Ford from DE to DT
SF : Dee Ford from LB to DE
SF : Solomon Thomas from DE to DT
TB : Gerald McCoy from DT to DE
TB : Noah Spence from DE to LB
TEN: Cameron Wake from DE to LB
WAS: Caleb Brantley from DT to DE
WAS: Marcus Smith from DE to LB
He has the draft pedigree and I don't think he was used right as a DE. SF D should improve and moving inside I think will help him. This is only for DT required leagues of course. I wouldn't worry about him if you don't need to use DT but with that always being a hard position to fill if needed I think he has a chance to be playable......and he should be relatively cheap at the moment.I'm curious if you see anything in particular that makes you like Solomon, @Gally. He seems like a round 1 pick that is a rotational guy; probably JAG.
JAX: Taven Bryan from DE to DT - Had him stashed as a "draft pedigree" devy DE. Not a DT required league so that frees up a roster space, I guess.
KC : Breeland Speaks from LB to DE - Pretty exciting...
KC : Tanoh Kpassagnon from LB to DE - He and Alex Okafor warrant at least watch list attention. If one takes a full time role it's a cheap DE. Or it's a committee headache.
KC : Chris Jones from DE to DT - Solid option at DT but it sure does suck for anyone that had him as a DE after putting up top 10 FF scores at DE last year.
love salary cap leagues - add a whore different dimension and challengeThanks, appreciate the reply. I've got him in a contract league and his 7M per year was a prime cut candidate with his terrible production at DE. That's a hefty cap hit for DE67.
It's a DT league, though, so maybe I'll hold if I can manage the cap. Antwuan Woods is my only DT so there's room for improvement.
A commish from one of my leagues asked me to take over for an owner that refused to fix his cap over the first 3-4 weeks last season and I have to agree. It's been really interesting. Dude had a good roster, too. Totally inexplicable...love salary cap leagues - add a whore different dimension and challenge
Definitely worth it if the cost is right. He's sitting on the wire in one league that hasn't opened, yet, and I expect he'll be in the first round of waivers. That Dline is so stacked, the only concern is that they pass the big scores from player to player and all end up as mid-range starters, rather than any mega-studs.anyone buying Vernon? Starting across from Garrett and word is Browns are looking to move Ogbah
I just put in a waiver claim for him based on this news. (Team has JPP so I’m worried about losing DL depth before the season kicks off.)anyone buying Vernon? Starting across from Garrett and word is Browns are looking to move Ogbah
He's a buy, no doubt. Garrett will draw double teams and the Browns (gasp) may even play from ahead a little bit this season.anyone buying Vernon? Starting across from Garrett and word is Browns are looking to move Ogbah
Flush. Chandler Jones is the new Khalil Mack...from difference making dlineman to run of the mill LB in many leagues.ARI: Chandler Jones from DE to LB
LAR: Dante Fowler from DE to LB
TB : Noah Spence from DE to LB
TEN: Cameron Wake from DE to LB
...as a LB(RotoWire) Jones has lost 25 pounds, weighing in at 255 pounds at the outset of the Cardinals' offseason program, Mike Jurecki of the Cardinals' official sitereports.
Analysis: Jones bulked up in order to move from a 3-4 outside linebacker to a down lineman in Steve Wilks' 4-3 scheme last season. His stat line didn't suffer as a result -- 13 sacks, his fifth time in six campaigns in double digits -- but the defense overall fell out of the top 10 in yards allowed for the first time since 2014. With the move back to a 3-4 defense and working opposite veteran pass rusher Terrell Suggs, Jones will be seeking out yet another year with 10-plus sacks and multiple forced fumbles.
That is big news. Do you have a source for that? I'd like to read it. I love Fsharks but they don't break out DL positions. Even the player pages just list all DT/DE as DL. That would be a massive headache. Unless I'm missing some other page/location on their website?They are changing from using Rotoworld's depth chart to Fantasysharks depth charts. Big news imo.
Just came here to post about thisThat is big news. Do you have a source for that? I'd like to read it. I love Fsharks but they don't break out DL positions. Even the player pages just list all DT/DE as DL. That would be a massive headache. Unless I'm missing some other page/location on their website?
https://www.fantasysharks.com/apps/bert/players/depth_chart.php?TeamID=7
Um, the bolded might be the biggest news of all. Not Rotoworld? Are those two some kind of interrelated now? Have we been looking at the wrong predictive source this whole time???The following player position changes will be made on Wednesday, May 15th, to bring our player database up-to-date with the FantasySharks.com depth charts:
There's a superscipt with the position over each player's name. Some interesting differences, including breaking out SAM/MIKE/WILL and "every" for every down backs?That is big news. Do you have a source for that? I'd like to read it. I love Fsharks but they don't break out DL positions. Even the player pages just list all DT/DE as DL. That would be a massive headache. Unless I'm missing some other page/location on their website?
https://www.fantasysharks.com/apps/bert/players/depth_chart.php?TeamID=7
Just came here to post about this
Um, the bolded might be the biggest news of all. Not Rotoworld? Are those two some kind of interrelated now? Have we been looking at the wrong predictive source this whole time???
Nope, looks like they've changed the source since the last update.The following player position changes will be made on Thursday, March 21st, to bring our player database up-to-date with the Rotoworld.com depth charts:
Fantasy sharks and mfl have been partners for a long time - FS has provided their weekly projections, among other things, for years.Just came here to post about this
Um, the bolded might be the biggest news of all. Not Rotoworld? Are those two some kind of interrelated now? Have we been looking at the wrong predictive source this whole time???